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TWOBI EP 21 ~ Luis Elizondo Part 1: Breaking the silence on UAP and recovered biologics
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Mark Kovic sits down with former US Army Counterintelligence Special Agent Luis Elizondo, the man who once directed the controversial Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Programme AATIP. 

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFCZ38NEaHA

Transcript:

I have a very special show today I feel
very lucky to be in your presence how
are you doing Lou good actually I feel
equally lucky thank you for having me
yeah I mean what there's a lot of people
in the world that want to speak to you
and here we are we're going to have a
chat I'm not sure necessarily all them
want to want to say nice things but I
appreciate it the honor PR we find out
aren't we one one way or the other yeah
the honor and privilege is mine thank
you thank you Mark it's great to be here
it's honestly surreal to have you sat
here because for those of you who listen
to my podcast I had become aware of this
kind of whole UAP thing from my brother
and he's one of the most kind of
critically thinking logically minded
people and as we discussed today I found
myself reaching a point where I thought
oh damn I'm really going to have to look
into this now and as fate would have it
I'm walking down the street in London
and there you are just on the corner of
the street yeah it was uh that's that
actually was my stunt double believe it
or not no I'm kidding it's uh you know
little known fact my one of my wife and
my most favorite cities in the whole
wide world uh has been has always been
London my my wife's family on her
father's side is all from the UK and um
I distinctly remember the the first time
um I took her to to to London um you
know it was it was kind of like uh going
back home to to the father Lane and in
fact if you to this day if you go to
London Heathrow Airport in the B
terminal and look at the floor you'll
see some what appear to be scratch marks
and that's those are the claw marks my
wife made as I had to drag her back onto
the plane back to the United States come
move over you know we're trying we're
trying well I I found it as as a genuine
kind of strange turn of Fate I found
that whole thing so peculiar and it
obviously explains a little bit why
we're here I was fascinated by this
subject and for a lot of people I would
assume who will be watching this they be
thinking you know everyone in the world
wants to seemingly talk to Lou atondo
and then here he is speaking to mark
hovic on a on a small podcast and and I
feel like the one thing I can try and
get out of this conversation is the
ability to just have a really honest
Frank conversation with you maybe ask
you questions that the typical media
wouldn't maybe try and press you a
little bit and see what's going
underneath because as you know I've been
fascinated by this whole subject for a
while my first question to you is can
you define why you're doing what you're
doing in this space what is it that
seems to be driving
Lando wow uh good question um you're
right I don't think I've ever been asked
a question like that it's usually what
do I know and you know what do I think
but not really what motivates me um some
people may know some people may not know
I'm a father of two children um been
married for for almost 30 years now and
uh what drives me to have this
conversation is the same thing that
drove me to join the military to serve
my country um go to war in fact um it's
it's loyalty it's loyalty and patriotism
um to an ideal my my family came here as
immigrants my father was a political
prisoner in Cuba um after the Bay of
Pigs invasion he went to prison uh for
several years and endured some horrible
atrocities as a result came to the
United States where he had um
opportunities that uh that Cuba did not
provide us and he he he thrived and I
remember as a young child him always
telling me look the United States is one
of the best countries in the world not
because it gives you things but it gives
you the
opportunity to achieve what you want to
achieve if you're willing to put in the
work right it's not automatic you don't
just come to the United States and all
of a sudden Presto you you get what you
want you have to earn it and it's not
guaranteed but what you are guaranteed
is the opportunity and that's something
that Cuba did not all allow us to do and
so from a very young age um that was
instilled in me and it was a driving
force to serve my country and and that
led later on for me to to get into the
programs I did um I excelled in the
intelligence community and I did pretty
well I guess by their standard and um
eventually was promoted into a position
that uh well that I think probably now
is why from a public perspective people
know who I am um but it was because of
that opportunity that the United States
gave me and that's really what still
drives me to this day is that that sense
of loyalty to my nation to my
country the sense of loyalty to your
country is what is driving you to expose
information yeah yeah I know it sounds a
little weird maybe people say well isn't
that kind of counterproductive no I
don't think so I I think sometimes you
know loyalty is is one of those things
that's very hard to measure um and it's
it's one of those things there's a an
old saying sometimes to be a patriot you
have to do things at the time that don't
seem very
patriotic um it's something that that
that to me you know I I left the
Department of Defense because I wanted
to to fix what was wrong in the
government not not to destroy it not to
tear it down not to break it down um
that was never my intention to basically
use the system the mechanisms that were
in the system already in order to have a
very difficult conversation a
conversation that I knew would probably
impact me
professionally and and personally most
certainly and uh and and in every every
aspect of my life it it has not been an
easy Road and do you feel that what
you're doing now is a means to rectify
that and and regain some control in that
aspect is well I I I don't I'm not
seeking control I'm I'm seeking I'm
seeking our government to work the way
it was intended which is controlled by
the people not controlled by Lou Alando
right it's not I don't have a private
agenda here to get gain anything out of
it my agenda is to fix what is broke and
hopefully not break more of it in the
process of trying to fix it you know
it's kind of like like trying to fix
your car you've got a a a water pump
that's broken the engine's overheating
maybe a sticky valve and a blown out
cylinder but you have to fix it while
you're driving down the highway and and
that's that's not really easy right that
that's it's a little bit more
complicated than just taking to a shop I
want to get into a lot of those cogs
that you want to replace in this
conversation because I can understand a
little bit more about what you mean you
don't just throw the car out because you
don't like those certain parts yeah I
don't think we can afford to do that in
fact it's not a matter of wanting to
throw the car out or not the car works
the car was designed great it's been
driving great for for couple centuries
now but like any car there are things
that need to be repaired that need to be
address and ignoring that problem is not
the solution burying your head in the
sand doesn't make the problem go away
just makes a problem
worse well for my listeners who aren't
aware of Lou's history because obviously
most people listening are Lou was
involved in I guess we can call it
whistleblowing for lack of a better way
you you came out and
exposed a concern that things were
happening in our skies that there were
potentially um things that the
government had come across that they
weren't telling people and and you were
directly read into these programs and
like I said we're going to dive into
that in a in a in a minute but just
before we start I want to pretext this
in a little bit of a different way and I
want to ask you a question about what
you think your worst critics would say
about you so before we go into this
debate a little bit what what is it that
you think people say about you that's
that's critical well that depends uh are
we talking about the funny goatee that I
that I sometimes sport or my my terrible
sense of fashion I'm talking about what
you're doing here what your Mo your
movement what you're trying to get
through um you know it depends on on
where you're sitting I I get a lot of I
have a lot of critics out there um some
are inside the government some are
outside the government some would say um
for example inside the government that
I'm not patriotic um I Heard a
conversation I'll share this with you
several of the attorneys from an
organization called arrow and can go
into a little bit more about what that
is later on but long story short that's
the organization that was uh basically
replaced my the program that I ran atip
um eventually um some of the attorneys
were having a Frank conversation with
some of the
scientists that I work with and worked
with in the past while at atip and they
said that I was unpatriotic and that I
was hurting the Department of Defense
and that that I was considered a
traitor um that cut very deep um from
the outside of the government
why do you think that cut you so
deep well because I I like to think I'm
the most patriotic person out there I
I'm doing what I'm
doing in essence I'm finishing the very
job that I was given to begin with you
know the irony here is that the
Department of Defense entrusted me to do
a
job and in order to finish that mission
I had to leave the very Department that
I loved so much I lefted to fix it um
and that's so you essentially quit in
rebellion in a way you you quit that
position I resigned and that's not
unusual here in the US government you
know for some of your listeners I I I
don't know how how common this is in
other countries but here in the United
States especially in our military
apparatus if you can't fix a problem you
don't stay there and you don't make the
problem worse um you resign and so in
2017 in uh October October early October
I submitted my resignation to the
Secretary of Defense and by the way you
know it I think it's important to note
that the Secretary of
Defense a year later did exactly the
same thing he resigned in protest
because he was not getting the support
he needed to do his job from the
administration at the time um so it's
it's not uncommon people resign in
protest um as a military person what you
don't want to do is make a problem worse
by staying there and creating internal
issues understand so um that's it's so
one of your one of your biggest critics
you would say would
be someone that says you're not loyal to
your country what else is there is there
any other argument that you saw yeah
there's a lot the from the outside um a
lot of times I've been been accused of
being a it's a term we use here in the
US called grifter or grifting it's
someone who is trying to profit or a
profit profiting off of a particular
topic and that's their primary
motivation they don't really have any
expertise in anything but they find an
opportunity to exploit and they they try
to to G gain financially from that
exploit that situation well I
mean I can have some respect for that
argument I mean in the sense that you
are someone with a growing following I'm
I've been very interested in your
insights and the information that you
Expose and I can understand that a lot
of people would look at that and say
well hold on a second what if this guy
is loyal to his country and he's going
out and he's doing all of these things
for the betterment of us as a
functioning law-abiding Society why
would he feel the need to charge money
for say releasing a book or releasing
films or documentaries and and I can
understand that argument so it's
fascinating that that's one of the first
things that you you come into because it
is it is a good question I'm H happy to
address it now and if it comes up again
we can continue to address it if you
want but the long story short is I've
been engaging this now for almost seven
years at Great personal cost and and and
almost Financial ruin um if if I if I
was a businessman this is probably the
worst business decision anybody could
ever make um money has never been my
motivation um there were times where my
wife and I and literally uh uh had to
sell one of our kids cars and um leave
our house and and and live in a in an RV
a trailer for a couple years uh simply
because um I am I I was trying and still
continue try to do the right thing now
the question is what's the right thing
well it's trying to
bring attention
to I don't want to say malfeasance
because I think malfeasance is probably
a harsh word but um dysfunction there is
dysfunction within the US government
involving a particular topic which I'm
sure we're going to get into that is um
in my opinion a topic that that every
American and frankly the world probably
should be made aware of a topic that is
real a topic that affects every single
one of us equally although
differently and um it's it's something I
have dedicated my my life to and now so
back to your question you know about
grifting and and making money I haven't
really made any money off this the only
time I any but I guess but you're about
to and this is kind of like the F the
friendliest way of obviously we' spoken
about this me and you in general anyway
because I've been fascinated by your
journey but I want to put myself in the
position of so many people that would
just want to look you in the eyes and
ask you these direct questions because
it's like I want to kind of be as mean
as I can because it's not in my nature
but I'm so desperate genuinely so
desperate for as much solidly grounded
concreted truth and honest honesty on
this matter just because I've been so
confused by it and I know that there's
going to be people out there just a bit
confused why a book why is he now
monetizing it so like just on the
specific element how do you feel about
the fact that you will now be monetizing
this thing this be putting dollars in
your pocket sure sure well um first of
all I I don't have any issues with
making a profit I I think that is here
in the United States anyways we are a
capitalist country and it's very very
common for people to leave the
government and then talk about their
experiences in a book but that's not my
motivation and let me be clear about
that you know one thing is to make money
tangentially off of something another
thing is to make money and that's your
only motivation that is not my
motivation here my motivation here I
mean don't get me wrong I'm not going to
complain that I'm going to actually pay
some bills with this finally but in
reality writing a book gives somebody an
ability to put your thoughts down in a
way that no one can take and and
manipulate or make a a clever sound bite
off most people know I do a lot of
interviews and have done a lot of
interviews in the past but these are
interviews especially with major media
Outlets that are usually 5 minutes or
less and you have a little bit of a
sound bite and most of the time they
already have a question they want to ask
you the book is an ability for me to
address the things that I find important
the things that I think need to be
addressed involving this big particular
topic and in a way that is in my voice
right no one's putting words into my
mouth it's uncensored unfiltered what
you see is what you get and that's very
important because it's authentic you're
hearing it directly from me from from my
brain down onto paper and it's also
indelible please don't get me wrong
podcasts are wonderful and interviews
are wonderful but books are forever
books are tangible books are something
that can sit on a bookshelf and
generation after generation can read it
and there's nothing no unless you're
going to burn every book In America
which you know good luck with
that it becomes indelible it becomes a
permanent record for the time
and it is something that allows me to
address all the issues that I think need
to be addressed that I wouldn't normally
have an opportunity in the time to do
for example this podcast no matter how
long we sit here unless you're prepared
to sit here for the next month and a
half 24 hours a day I'll never be able
to get that I'm ready I'll never be able
to if IU can get to the bottom of this
I'm ready but can this this book is it
as simple as just your word on paper cuz
can someone like you just release a book
is there not a process behind how that
has to work surely you can't just well
sure you can I can I can release a book
on Amazon but there's a couple issues
with that first of all let's talk about
the legal implication because I have a
national security clearance still I have
a top secret clearance and I am still
it's a lifelong obligation to what we
call a non-disclosure agreement or in
this case secrecy oath right you you
swear an allegiance to the country and a
promise to maintain those secrets so
there are certain things I I am not
allowed to say and those things involve
classified information so my book first
and foremost has to go through a review
process if I were to just put out on
Amazon and I fail to go through the
Pentagon for that legal review I can
find myself very quickly in a lot of
trouble I.E I could go to jail because
they have not had a chance to review
that information for classified
information I didn't know that there's
another piece to this though too okay
because you're asking me something that
that I think has two parts to it the
other question question is why don't I
just self-publish by now people know I
I'm going through Harper Colin as a ma
major
publisher if you
self-publish most people don't have the
resources certainly I don't to get the
word out to a huge audience the only
people that are going to read a story
like that on Amazon are people that are
already following the topic right so
right now on Twitter I have maybe I
don't 100 200,000 followers right that's
a drop in the bucket when you're talking
about a global audience when you go with
a major publisher they have the
capability and resources to get the word
out and really get the book out to a
global audience so rather than maybe 1
or 200,000 people that are going to read
the book it could be 10 15 20 million
people that are going to read the book
in different languages right so now that
now that word spreads Beyond just the
English language Beyond just the shores
of the United States and Beyond the if
you will the The Horizon of those who
are interested in the UFO UAP topic to a
to a other mainstream audience that
would otherwise remain untapped if I
were to just go ahead and self-publish
and say Here's my Memoir and put it out
um I don't have that type of
infrastructure I don't have that
capability I don't have those resources
to reach the larger audience which is
really my intended audience the people
in that small UFO UAP Enclave they are
not my target audience they already have
their opinions either they believe it or
they don't and there's really little
anything can anybody can do to change
that my focus is the 99.9% of other
individuals who may have never even
really considered this topic before as
being a a serious topic to
discuss okay firstly I didn't know that
about the review process and then that
kind of brings another question in my
mind because on the one hand you've said
this is my words this is my process this
is my stuff going down on paper but I
can only assume that there's been a lot
of redactions if that's how to go
through a process to be vetted by the
security services essentially of the
United States government there's going
to be things that are you can't just
openly say whatever you want correct and
your so how does so so I'm sorry for
jumping in but will we as readers just
see like blanked out lines of redution
in the book or yeah but isn't that
interesting right if if you have a
government that has historically said
there's nothing to see here the topic
isn't legitimate and there's no UFO
program and all of a sudden you read a
manuscript where the government has
redacted paragraph you'll print the
redaction elements that where you can
see you've written stuff but it's
absolutely anybody can look at those
lines and see for themselves I did not
doctor those those are the lines that
the US government has says it's is this
is too sensitive you cannot publish it
and that will be there for everybody to
see okay well that then brings me on to
one of the main key points I've always
wanted to discuss with you in person and
and look in your eyes whil we do it
because it it just it bothers me
genuinely that whenever I watch
interviews whoever we talk about um you
know gr or David grush I can't think how
you pronounce it exactly because I know
that's been floated around a couple of
different ways but I see people like him
um going in front of Congress and making
certain claims and then the second that
it gets to the point of saying okay well
have you seen have you touched have you
been involved with directly non-human
intelligence CFT uaps there's this
consistent like almost get out of jail
free card that's played all the time
which is I can't talk about that I can't
talk about that oh I can't confirm or
deny and I and I know that if that
irritates me as much as it does there's
going to be a million people out there
being like exactly so I can I can
understand from your point of view you
say well I can't just release
information I have to think about it I
have to put it in a manuscript I then
have to go and get this sent off to the
Department of Defense is it correct the
D yeah correct I have to have that
cleared and really I want this to go as
far as and wide as possible because what
my actual Mission here is to get as many
people aware so we can actually change
elements in the government so we kind of
don't have this problem in a way and one
of the question my next question that
I'd pose to you
is you open this podcast saying that one
of the the worst critiques you could
have is say that you're not loyal
loyalty is obviously something that is a
nerve Touch of you means a lot to you
now what would you say to people who
would suggest who are you loyal to here
because why are you listening to these
redactions and you you're having your
word your freedom of speech redacted and
taken away by fundamentally the
government and you have this information
that you're not telling the people when
your loyalty is of course with the
people like do you do you do you
have kind of
some I guess what's the best way of
putting it a little bit of contradiction
there do you feel do you do you battle
with that yourself I I don't uh and
here's simply put you can't separate in
this country the people from the
government the government is the people
the people are the government this is a
government for the people and by the
people and as long as we one saying Lou
you can't say that and the other's
saying Lou tell us so you have to pick a
side no no I I don't think so I think I
think that's a I think that's a a
misnomer I I don't think you have it's
not an either or solution in fact the
third option is to do exactly what I'm
doing now have the conversation without
having to break my promise to the
American people that I was going to
safeguard their secrets National Secrets
um and that's precisely what we're doing
um you know there's been other attempts
in the past um I I do not believe in
leaking classified information I think
that only hurts our country I've never
been one to just I've had a lot of
people say well L just tell us the truth
well I am telling you the truth without
having to break my National Security
oath because it's it is important for
people to realize at least from my
perspective where I come from this
government is all we have here in the US
and it's a government that we all agree
should be there it does wonderful things
and most of the time it works
fantastic I don't believe in Breaking
the system down or violating laws in
order to provide information or to fix
the very system that I'm trying to fix I
don't think you have to do that and in
fact if the last six years have been EV
any evidence of that I think it it shows
that we can do that look let's in the
last six years since seven years since I
first come out first reaction was oh
that's crazy talk now you have members
of Congress saying it's real former
directors of the CIA saying it's real
former directors of National
Intelligence saying it's real former
secretaries of defense saying it's real
and you have former presidents of the
United States saying it's real now that
has all happened lightning fast now I
know people have this natural burning
desire this curiosity that they want to
know and say look you have all this
information in your head just tell us
but that's not why I'm doing what I'm
doing I'm not out here to satisfy
people's just idle curiosity I'm out
here so we can fix the very system so
you don't have to ask me The Government
Can you can ask the government and the
government will tell you well let me
give a maybe an example that strikes to
the core of this I know a lot of people
just want to shake your hand and be like
the fact that you are willing to stick
your head above the parit go there and
say it a lot of the things that have
been released they in the public domain
now thanks to you there's a lot of
people that want to tip their hat to you
so I want to make that clear there's a I
appreciate there's a lot of people too
that probably want want to punch me in
the nose too but in my bones and in my
soul transparency and honesty is about
my only Guiding Light and factor that is
really important to me and as soon as I
met you I looked at you as someone that
I thought in my bones this guy
doesn't seem to be um
disingenuous well I appreciate it but
let me interrupt you for a moment if I
can this is part of the problem because
it should not be up to one person okay
that people look to and say that guy has
the truth there in life is a problem
because people make mistakes all the
time I make mistakes you make make
mistakes everybody makes
mistakes this is indicative of a much
bigger problem this
system is broken in this particular
aspect and must be fixed because we
cannot allow one human being myself or
someone like Dave grou to be the torch
Bearer here we're doing it now just till
the problem's fixed but I promise you
once that problem is fixed I plan to set
off into the sunset I I this is this is
a mission for me because I believe in
our country I believe in our government
I believe in our
people but I also understand too this is
not and never has been the L show and it
shouldn't be the L show this is what
this is what I've been trying to
communicate all these years and the more
voices we have to have this conversation
the more that the government gets
involved the less it becomes the L show
and I really do appreciate when people
come up and they want to shake my hand
in the airport and say Lou thank you for
all you're doing I appreciate that well
the thing is I Conor setting you up for
a curve for right because I I I want to
show my respect and my genuine kind of
admiration for for what you're doing and
then what I was going to move on to was
grush and it's funny that you mention
him because let's take for example the
situation where he's in front of
Congress and he's outright saying to
everyone on broadcast that we have
non-human intelligent craft that have
crashed on Earth and we have recovered
bodies so that's not necessarily just
the Lu show anymore these are other
people that are coming out and saying
this you know David I do know David very
well so you
what you know you can surely confirm or
deny that what I can say is he's an
outstanding human being but I will never
speak on behalf of Dave grush if you
want to know what Dave grush thinks I
think you should have him probably here
on your podcast and ask him directly
because he is his own man and he's had
his own experiences but you must have
had similar experiences well I must have
had what does that mean similar
experiences if you can because I'm not
your your definition of similar may be a
little bit different than mine what do
you mean
maybe we can cut to the Chase and I can
ask you are you aware yourself forget
David gr minute of nonhuman Intelligence
on this
planet rather than tell you a yes or no
answer because here's and I'm going to
explain to you why
okay I'd rather tell you what I do know
for a fact okay what I do know for a
fact is that there are things that are
operating in our in controlled us
airspace and globally that are
performing in ways that we simply can't
match today and when I say we not only
the United States but as far as we know
any other adversarial Nation out
there so what does that lead to well it
leads to a whole bunch of different
possibilities now there are certain
aspects of this conversation I cannot
discuss and the reason is because I have
signed a a security agreement with the
United States government which is
basically a contract that says if I
reveal anything about X Y or Z I can and
I will go to jail and of course the next
part of the conversation that people
always say well if this is such an
important topic
Lou aren't you willing to go to jail and
my response is I don't have to go to
jail if we do this the right way I don't
want to go to jail I it sounds to me
like that was a long way of saying yes
there are non-human intelligences and
yes what Dave gush said is correct I
just can't talk about it well you can
interpret it any way you want I what I
can say interpreting it correctly or
what what I can say is I cannot conform
nor deny that question that you're
asking me and so that is a very common
parlance in US Government speak if there
is a topic that of of certain
sensitivity that we are not allowed to
discuss whether yes or no right or wrong
MH that is the statement that we are
that we have to provide and as by the
way let me say this too I completely
understand and sympathize you chomping
at the bit and your listeners wanting to
know the answer I wanted I want to give
you the answer a hundred times more than
you want to get the answer I promise you
it is very frustrating for me to sit
here and look at you in the eye and have
this conversation knowing that listeners
are listening and and I I have to
provide answers that may appear to be
evasive but it is not intentional but I
have taken an oath to my country and
that oath is sacred to the point where
I've been willing to go to war several
times for it it is something I'm willing
to die for it's a matter of principle
and I am not going to break that oath
it's no different than being married
when you look at someone in the eye and
you say I do till death do us part that
is a lifelong contract you can't just
once in a while break that promise say
well except for Sundays on you know at 6
o'clock at night when I'm with the boys
at the bar doesn't work that way it's
either a promise that you take serious
or you don't and I happen to take that
promise very very serious well it goes
back to what you said at the start and I
actually maybe a penny Dropped In My
Mind cuz I've always looked at you
rightly or wrongly as a little bit kind
of anti-establishment anti-government
which is kind of wrong really because
you're not necessarily against the
government systems you might be a
whistleblower but if I've understood you
correctly what you're saying is you want
to abide by the legislation and the law
that we have in this country because
obviously we're in the US now not in
London but we you you want to abide by
the infrastructure that this country has
you don't want to break laws and you're
trying to
do this in a potentially a slower way
and that leads me on to say the question
I just asked you that you cannot
answer do you think you will soon and if
so how soon do you think you could
confirm or deny that W so let's unpack
that a little bit because you actually
asked me a few things in that
um first of all you're asking me to
anticipate when I'll be able to tell you
and answer to the question you're asking
me I have no idea that's not my decision
that's of the US government and if we do
this properly you won't have to ask me
because the government will tell you so
that that's first thing secondly as far
as being anti-establishment what I am is
anti-corruption um I'll share with you a
very simple anecdote I had my father
recently passed away he passed away on
Father's day of this this year my father
and I were very close and my father was
very very smart um and I asked him and
and I feel a little guilty about this
because I asked him actually flippant we
were driving in a long long car drive
down from my home in Wyoming down to
Florida so I had several days with him
and I knew he was sick he was he was he
was dying and he didn't he didn't want
to to me and didn't want to worry me
about my background in in medicine I I
knew he was he was on his last few last
few weeks of his life and I said
dad what is the greatest threat to any
society and I asked him that because you
know I spent my life in counterterrorism
and counternarcotics and all the these
things and what what what is it and he
looked at me and without hesitation he
said corruption and I thought for a
moment I said dad what do you mean
corruption like like monetary corruption
he said no corruption whether it's
governmental corruption political
corruption religious corruption moral
corruption the moment one is willing to
bend their own personal
values in exchange for something else
whether it's money or drugs or sex or
whatever popularity and and
whatnot that that erodes the very
Foundation till eventually there's
nothing left and so corruption in
government and I don't mean necessarily
monetarily monetary corruption I mean
corruption where the system is supposed
to do one thing but decides to do
something else because the truth is
either inconvenient or it is
embarrassing or or for whatever reason
that is a form of corruption and that
that keeping truth ultimately truth away
from people is I think I think it is
egregious I think it is it is a it is
one of the worst sins a government could
ever do to its people because let's not
forget at least here anyways this is a
government for the people and by the
people you cannot separate government
from people people like to do that say
oh that's the government well don't look
now but that's actually a reflection of
you those people are there in office
because either you put them there or
because you didn't vote and let someone
else put them there but either way
ultimately we are responsible that's not
just Congress okay because with
presidents and they they appoint cabinet
members and whatnot so there's a huge
cascading effect here and so ultimately
if you want to know why we don't have
truth we have only but to look in the
mirror and blame ourselves because we
have not put the right people up there
to tell us the truth and I know that
seems a little bit some people say oh
well you know that's oh I'm supp to pick
the president I'm responsible for that
well in a very kind of indirect way yeah
because we have rights in this country
that allow us to choose our elected
officials and that is that is sacred
very few countries really allow that to
happen and so when we allow it to be
hijacked by people who have different uh
intentions right that are not in
consistent with with the values of the
people then you have corruption and what
happens is we have the issue that we
have now and not by the way not just
with UAP there are a whole slew of
issues we have in our own government
right now that need to be fixed they
need to be addressed and need to be
fixed and need to be fixed now well it
sounds to me if I'm going to try my best
to read between the lines because
there's a lot to unpack in that but it
sounds as if you're
saying you do know
about crash retriev and nonhuman
intelligences you can't confirm or deny
that but to me the fact that you
instantly jump into this pillar if you
will of your ideology which makes sense
to me is that you're you're seriously
concerned about corruption there's not a
very long line that needs to be drawn
between those two points it sounds to me
like you're saying our government
absolutely does have these craft does
have these retrieved bodies and your
worry is that that is just simply being
shrouded up and covered up and hidden
and like you said through embarrassment
through not wanting to admit certain
things they're just keeping that from
the people does that sound about well I
got a hand it you you're very tenacious
no that I did not say that you can
interpret what you want but I did not
say that the US government is in
possession of Crash retrievals and and
biologics and bodies that's your
interpretation and the lack of
information that I'm providing you're
filling in that blank now you're you're
more than welcome to do that because
again I understand that my response uh
wasn't wasn't very it was rather
ambiguous right so I can neither confirm
nor deny um and that's going to be up to
you to interpret and your listeners
until at which point other people
provide that information in a legal way
or I will the moment I will tell you the
very moment the government can say Lou
tell them what you know I will be the
very first person to get on the highest
mount with the biggest loudest speaker
and you're going to know everything that
I know um well that's what I find quite
cool about uh the conversations we've
had because the three videos you know
the three videos that came out recently
that were put in the public domain that
was you that pushed for that and got
that across well uh yes or no um I was
part of the review process I requested
the review process uh these were
unclassified videos at least those
sections were unclassified and so even
though it was unclassified it still
didn't have the ability to pull them out
of DOD so I had to go ahead and
facilitate the process through what we
call the 1910 process have them reviewed
and then when they came back to me said
yes these are approved for release
you're good to go the intent was then
for us to go out into industry when I
say industry the military industrial
complex where there is a huge resource
pool of scientists and experts that
could look at these videos and tell us
what we're looking at because the
scientists that we had at the time gave
us their best shot their very best
estimate at to still at the end of the
day we came up with a big goose egg we
had no idea despite all the different
signatures we had of all the different
aircraft of the world that missiles and
Rockets and helicopters drones and
satellites and you name it um none of
them matched and so the question is okay
what are we looking at and so the idea
was then to take that information find
some people out there maybe in the north
of grummans of the world in the loids
and say
look we've got this problem what the
hell are we looking at right and um
that's was the original intent however
the videos wound up later being provided
to the media I did for the record I did
not do that I did not provide them to
the media I did not know they were going
to go to the media um but they wound up
in the media and and honestly probably
for the better because now people have
tangible evidence that the US government
has things in our airspace we don't know
what they are pilots are seeing them
we're picking up on radar and we had a
UAP or in a vernacular a UFO program in
the Pentagon that was studying these
things well this is where we get to talk
about some more kind of factual um
things which I'm excited to to go into
and it's it's of course there's an irrit
for people like me and there is there's
a niche that needs to be scratched right
to get the answers that you that you
clearly know that you clearly can't
confirm or or deny but I have to
say one thing that's good about this
conversation is probably for me and
people like me to at least understand a
little bit more about the framework of
this stuff and that leads me on to a
couple of questions now I want to talk
about things like the nimic nimic case
and some of these videos that you've
you've helped push forward but there are
a couple of typ IAL things that I've had
in terms of question when I said hey
look if you had the chance to speak to
Lou elando what would you what would you
ask him one of them is to try and
understand a skiff a little bit more
because it when you when you ask these
questions or when it comes to recovered
craft and biologic crash retrieval
there's often something that is said
where where people go well look I can
talk to you about this in a skiff so how
does this function what's it what's it
do sure the question I asked you are you
allowed to speak about that in a skiff
for example how does it work yeah so uh
let me give you a little lesson on the
US classification system okay there are
three tiers of classified information
the lowest tier but it's still
classified is confidential
information which is if you look at the
definition basically can cause this
information gets out it can cause damage
to US National Security the next level
of classified information in the US
classification system is secret
information and that is if this
information gets out it will cause great
damage to US National Security then you
have the third tier the highest tier the
most sensitive which is called top
secret information which would cause gra
according to the definition grave damage
to the US National Security apparatus if
this information was released right so
those are the three now these three if
you will kingdoms of classification have
actually these little sub kingdoms that
live inside of them so for example you
can have secret you can have secret
collateral you can have Secret
releaseable information to certain
countries that have the same security
clearance the same thing with top secret
and then within top secret you have
these if you will families of caveats
you can have a top secret clearance but
not have what we call seci clearance
sensitive compartmented information so a
lot of people like to think of it as
Above Top Secret it's really not it's
just a
subcategory of top secret information
and then you have this whole if you will
ecosystem or something we call sap and
caps which are special access programs
and controlled access programs such as
atip that would be a special Access
program so we'll get to it so great
question so we're going to get to it but
first let me explain if I can to you the
macro level of how the security system
works so and what you're asking me now
is a little bit of a history and a tip
which I can get to but I think what
you're asking me it's a little bit of
what a skiff is so let me answer the
question for you and then we can go into
a tip if you like so if you want to have
information talk have a conversation or
you want to do work on a computer let's
say about information that is top secret
you obviously can't just do it in the
halls of the Pentagon because there's
people there that are having tours and a
lot of it's unclassified and not
everybody has access to top secret
information right so you have to do it
in a facility or a location that is
cleared to have that conversation
meaning there's no J there's no windows
uh you might have some shielding uh in
the building as well uh the doors are
insulated so sound doesn't travel Beyond
uh certain electronic emissions don't
penetrate and can be picked up elsewhere
right so they're special just like a
recording studio think of a skiff just
like a recording studio if you want to
make a soundtrack in a recording studio
you don't do it in someone's garage
right you go into a place that is
specifically designed to have the best
quality sound and the best recordings
and whatever video that you want to do
and the best Engineers that's kind of
like a skiff a skiff is like a recording
studio but for top secret or classified
information so you have these designated
areas so if I wanted to have a
conversation with somebody about this
topic first of all I'd have to do it in
a skiff second of all I'd have to make
sure that the person I'm talking to even
though they might have the commensurate
level security clearance like top secret
seci you know lement op for example
that's not a real caveat I'm just give
you an example um they would have to
have a need to know and I'd have to
verify that too so it's not just making
sure you have a top secret clearance
it's not just making sure we're in a
skiff it's also making sure that you
have a demonstrated need to know to have
access to this information so that is
what a skiff is that is when you hear
the word skiff it's it means special
compartmented information facility I'm
sorry sensitive compartmented
information facility now back to what
you asking me about a tip specifically
if you want to ask me the question I'll
see if I can answer that for you so you
said something about a
tip well I think a tip confuses me a
little bit in the sense that
this was a government funded
operation for the main mission of
understanding uaps MH because it was
acknowledged that there were things
zipping around in AA space and then they
decided to get a whole bunch of money
together and go right let's get a
department essentially to go and figure
out what this stuff is actually let's
get a few people in the department to do
this people that have the requisite
qualification in Aerospace technology
and whatnot to to look at this and you
led this I did I was I I initially came
in in 2008 uh in 2010 um I was the
became the director of it uh because of
my my seniority and my rank and my
position and for the following seven
years I ran it as the Director or chief
what call whatever you want how does it
feel when people within the government
deny that or when people in general deny
that that program even existed because
at this point it's not even a argument
right you were there you did it you ran
that yeah I mean it's it's it's anyone
who says it now is a bit misinformed
unfortunately um I think there was some
confusion from the Department because
the department initially was very clear
when I first came out for two years they
said yeah ATP was real it studied UFOs
and Lou was in charge and then uh
something very interesting happened
after secretary Mattis left the
Department of Defense and resigned um a
way I can describe it is that a
a a new
uh a new mindset took over the
department because they had been
inundated with so many requests and
fouryear requests for the program my
boss at the time I'm not going to
mention his name here but it is publicly
known who he is um was very mad at me
and he was mad at me for several reasons
one because I never read him into the
program um and there's a reason for that
I don't want to say here on the radio
but the bottom line is there were
reasons that I felt I could not not read
in my current boss there were some
things going on in the department that I
could not take a chance doing that so
instead of reading him in his boss and
his boss's boss were all read in so I
was briefing the the Secretary of
defense's senior staff on a weekly basis
um but I could not read in my my
supervisor and when I left my supervisor
was very mad because initially he took
it um took it very personal MH um he was
later removed from that position and uh
it became evident why and um he had
started the campaign to tell people that
atip wasn't real and I had nothing to do
with it and that I was crazy fortunately
the program's sponsor Senator Harry Reid
who happens to be the former Senate
Majority Leader and the actual owner of
AIP the person who started the program
wound up writing a letter for the record
and I believe it's dated 2021 I've seen
that yeah where he confirms it in yeah
he confirms it in writing saying look
you know
hate to tell you this guys I ran the
program and it's real we studied UFOs
and Lou was running it for me and he did
a great job right um I could have much
earlier on F that if I wanted to with
the Department of Defense there were
people in the Department of Defense that
knew exactly what I was doing and why I
was doing it and who I was doing it for
but I could not at my own to save my own
skin at the time in my own reputation I
would have had to expose them and I
wasn't willing to do that so I took a
lot of arrows for a long time but yes
now I think I think the general
consensus is unless you look at you know
social media and Wikipedia and crap like
that um but that's a whole another story
but the reality is yes it is is a real
Pro and now the government admits it in
fact there was a a sworn statement that
uh I'm sorry a sworn testimony by the
under Secretary of Defense recently who
told Congress officially and formally
when they was asked a question by I
think by uh Congressman Gallagher I
believe at the time out ofid ask you
about this cuz I've seen this too yeah
yeah they asked him Point Blank have you
looked at any other UFO programs in the
Department of Defense and he said well
we looked at Project Blue Book and we
looked at atip right so that must have
been a Vindication for you well you know
it's never been about vindication for me
um I've taken I guess in some ways it's
just part of the problem that you're
exporing it is exactly right because in
one hand the government says nothing to
see her folks then the other hand says
yeah we looked at to program and it was
a UFO program I mean so again it just
highlights and it's actually not a
Vindication for me it's sad it's
embarrassing it's this is my my my
government and you can't even get your
own facts straight what the hell is
wrong I mean I the moment I left the
Department of Defense within now I I'll
share this with you this is not public
knowledge um I think few people are
aware of it though there is because of
one of the other portfolios I have there
is a standing order from a court of law
it's called a preservation order because
of the work I was doing on another
portfolio all of my emails all of the
work I've ever done on certain computer
systems while I was at ATP are to be
preserved by law because they are
considered considered evidence evidence
for a particular court case that the
government's involved in I'm not going
to talk about that now it doesn't deal
with me but the bottom line is I was
involved
that in direct violation of that court
order every single one of my emails and
files were deleted from the Department
of Defense
servers poof like they never
existed that is troubling because that
means someone this this this topic is is
so sensitive to someone in the
department that they're willing to
violate US law to erase all of my files
now think about that for a minute you
are willing to sacrifice a national
level court case on a national security
issue willing to to
completely compromise that because you
don't want this guy Lou alzando
revealing the information he has right
you're going to do whatever you can to
cover it up and say nothing to see here
folks so now you're getting into the
area of real conspiracy not conspiracy
theories like hey someone made a
decision to do that so nobody else would
find the truth so it's compounding the
problem and so this is my my one of my
greatest fears that we continue to see
here there are elements within the US
government that I don't think are
serving the best
interests of of the the people here in
the United States the citizens of the US
and they are making unilateral decisions
and violating law breaking the law the
very law that that they expect us to
follow in order to cover up their their
their misdeeds does that touch a nerve
with you because of your loyalty and
your willingness to follow the LA law in
these difficult positions does that
annoy you that well yeah I mean look if
if it feels like it touches if the
government look I mean we left the same
crap in Cuba this why we came to the US
right when the government says you know
for thee but not for me these laws apply
to you but not us well guess what that's
not a democracy anymore you know that
that's that's a but you still you still
have hope that they're just shaky cogs
that can be replaced and fixed or do you
think that the whole system really needs
a bit of a revamp well I I think it
needs to tune up I don't think we need
to I don't think we need to to sell the
car or throw it in the junkyard the car
still works it does a lot of good things
I think it just needs to be
repaired one thing that is really hard
to wrap my head around is
let's assume that your your spot on here
and we have this kind of corruption
issue and then we have these very
worrying things about deleting files and
you know keeping everything
hashash this stuff is
not small anymore I don't want to dive
into the limits too much because so many
people out there are aware of the limits
um if you haven't been aware of that
story look it up uh to do a 10-second
summary this is F-18 Pilots had eyes on
on a on a UAP Tic Tac as we call it um
multiple radar systems all following
it's one of the most
fascinating pieces of kind of relatively
conclusive evidence if you will that
there's a real thing seen by people
trained observers and that's just like
one grain of sand in in a in a complete
Beach of these pieces of evidence that's
correct there's three videos that people
are aware of it's the Tic Tac the Gimbal
and go fast and go fast how many of them
are there roughly like do you think as
if you were
guessing let's just say a lot um I
cannot provide an exact number um lot of
these for all of us listen loads so this
is hundreds hundreds hundreds and this
is just in recent so you're referring to
the Tic Tac as you say story it was
actually a full-field investigation it
was a full-blown investigation that was
conducted by the Department of Defense
in fact by one of my colleagues who was
part of atip and as you go into this the
reason why I wanted to frame it like
this is there's so many now the idea
that people would be still trying to
delete emails and cover things up to me
seems almost hard to believe that anyone
would be that yeah I I don't I I don't
think they'd be as foolish now to to do
what Tred what they tried to get away
with last time with me I think the cat
is out of the proverbial bag I think
there's enough people now that recognize
the reality of this um and realiz I mean
look they they've already informed Arrow
the organization that was set up to
investigate this after atip and after
the UAP task force said for the record
that these things are real that they are
things in our in our theaters of combat
that Prov that are that are affecting
our aircraft in a way that we can't
detect them and they they are they are
threatening our airspace and air safety
right so that's that's already been
stated not by Lou Alonzo not by me by by
by Arrow the organization that's that's
been tasked to investigate this um plus
there's been a lot of whistleblowers
that have come out and testify directly
to Congress I am not at Liberty to
discuss who those people are where they
work or what they've seen but let's just
say there are a plethora of individuals
that have already come forward also with
top secret clearance with firsthand
accounts of some of these incredible
experiences when you said when you said
already come forward is that to suggest
there's more I think there's going to be
a lot more I think we're just this is
the wave Toops what the public knows
right now is that Congress has been
speaking to a few whistleblowers what
the public doesn't know right now is
that it's a lot of whistleblowers and
these folks have had Direct contact in
some cases with this topic and the
investigation of this topic for the
government going back decades so you can
fill in the blank what that means
well as I try to follow the topic and as
I fill the
blanks there's still questions that come
to my mind and I have to rely on Theory
as you know my background is science I'm
a physicist is in my first life my
background science too which is why
we've always got along on looking at
this critically and it's it's the same
with my brother when we first started
talking about it we're both looking at
this being like well let's explore
realistic options because tons of people
will be googling now and having a look
at the um Commander fravor interviews
and they'll learn all that and they're
going to see for themselves and make
their own minds up that we now have so
much conclusive evidence that something
is zipping around in our airspace doing
things that we can't control and and I
did for all of the little uh kind of
physics and science nerds just like
myself out there there was a lovely
little description actually which I
believe may have came from atip I'm sure
you can't confirm or deny it but it was
bunch of scientists that looked at the
Telemetry data off these moving objects
and they made kind of conservative
estimates of what the kind of masses
would be and they looked at the
acceleration and the velocities and for
those who haven't seen it these things
are zipping up into 80,000 foot zipping
back down right yeah let me emphasize
that the videos that are publicly
available are certainly not the most
compelling um there are videos that we
have that are extremely high definition
but so this I'm loving that we're
getting there because the first thing I
was going to say on on this
scientific observation is that they can
not they anyone uh anyone with a
scientific background and an
understanding can calculate the energy
that would be needed to make an object
move like this yeah especially with and
not just visual let's not forget that we
have radar data right very sensitive
very capable sophisticated radar systems
that can detect a baseball a baseball at
880,000 FT now put that into context
when you see a an Airbus 380 at 33,000
feet it still looks like a little speck
in the sky now imagine virtually three
times that altitude and something the
size of a baseball and we can track it
with with extreme Precision right so
this is the level of fidelity of data
that we have on some of these things so
please continue as you're I just want to
put that in context as you're talking
about the energy levels required to do
some of this performance this will make
sense also I hope to my next question
but the when you do the
maths we're talking
about orders of magnitudes more power
than our planet can generate in certain
periods of time like if you took all of
the nukes and kind of detonated them all
at the same time that's the sort of
power that we're talking about to to to
move even a much more insignificant mass
in in in these in these ways it seems to
me that if the maths is correct and as a
scientist you got to look at this stuff
and go well it's kind of hard to imagine
that being Incorrect and obviously our
understanding of physics could be
needing an update or someone could be
really far ahead of the time but we
don't have the ability to produce this
insane amount of power to to do anything
like this it's nowhere near our human
capabilities right so let's put this to
somebody who may be sitting in their
automobile right now and on their way to
work or coming home from work and it's
rainy and you know right now we're just
kind of speaking generalities let's put
this into specifics imagine taking a
small bus a micro bus that you take to
the airport right when you're going from
to the terminal or something like that
take something approximately that heavy
as well and take that object and go from
8,000 ft and don't just drop it but
force it within less than a second to 50
feet above the ocean right from 80,000
ft to roughly
79,90 ft right distance-wise several
miles and miles and now imagine that
type of now do the calculation backwards
not only were these objects coming down
they were also seen going from 50 ft
over the water up and Beyond 880,000 ft
in less than a second now the power
output required to do that is more than
the entire power generation of the
entire continental United States for
three years and oh by the way whatever
power they're using it's internal to the
craft it's not an external power source
so these are almost almost unimaginable
levels of energy required to do it and
we are not only picking these objects up
doing this on electro magnetic devices
and and these things like radar spy one
Radars we're also seeing them our our
Pilots are seeing them with their own
eyes naked bare eyes seeing these things
doing and Performing these incredible
Maneuvers that there is no way in heck
our country has anything near that
technology the inertial forces alone
would crush anything biological inside
would be turned to the consistency of
pudding right so this is well well well
beyond anything that we are really used
to to dealing with
technologically one of the questions
that's common when it comes to these
things zipping down from 80,000 ft
hanging around for hours so to speak on
out in the
ocean there's so many of them at this
point why has someone not just gone
train a high defition camera and just
looked at the thing as it's hovering
around for quote unquote hours why how
do you know they haven't why are you
saying they they no one has just because
we haven't seen that yet but that
doesn't mean no one has that just means
do we have that that just means if
that's been done it's probably been
remaining it's probably remained very
classified probably remained classified
so let me let me let me
uh hint hint nudge nudge it's probably
classified right so to say that it
hasn't been cap before Al people are
seeing it that's not accurate so let's
say that
hypothetically there were highdefinition
videos of these things as they were
hanging around and let's also say that
you clearly cannot confirm or or deny
that I would assume that hypothetically
this would be next on your list in terms
of applying to have these videos
released out to the public domain like
you've already had your successes with
with the first three I mean yeah I mean
it'll scratch the idle curiosity of
people out there that want to see
something you know ah well for me
strangely it's not so much about idle
curiosity it's knowing that from from my
background teams of scientists they like
to compare they like to try and run
similar um simulations they want to try
and peer review they they want to see a
community that comes to a consensus not
to just be necessarily told or or shown
something so for me the interest is and
maybe this is a good question to to
twist into but why why are we not
exploring having the public domain
scientific resource to to look at this
critically why why are we not saying
like in the Manhattan Project when we've
got to figure something out we go and we
bring our best Minds in guys we got to
fix this problem this seems serious
enough if we've got invasions of our
airspace we've got these things zipping
around and we don't know what they are I
would have thought this is just as
important to to lean on our Resort and I
think we are doing that now that's
exactly why one of the reasons why it
came out because we needed the best and
brightest to look at this and and the
original intent of Congress to create
Arrow was for that purpose Unfortunately
they haven't gotten there yet they're
only about a year old they got a new
director it takes time to stand up
Manhattan Project didn't happen a month
right it took some time uh but that's
exactly why we need to have this
conversation because a video here too is
neat and great but wouldn't it be more
meaningful to create let's say I don't
know a National Laboratory construct
where now we have the National
Laboratory created to study this with
the best and the brightest that seems to
me a lot more valuable than video
hitting the internet yeah the internet
the video is neat and people look at and
see G whiz for a week and then they go
back to you know eating popcorn and
watching
Netflix that's not the solution the
solution is as you say get the best and
the brightest to put their minds onto
this thing and really try to figure out
what the heck is actually going on why
do you say that you think we would need
Laboratories do you think there's stuff
that people would want to look at in
terms of materials or well I I think
look proof is in the pudding right
tangible evidence is always very very
valuable because then you can do a whole
another type of study right now you're
looking at videos you look at Telemetry
and speed velocity accelerations whatnot
when you have material you can do
Material Science right you can do you
can do physical analysis you can do
chemical or molecular analysis and then
you can do atomic analysis and really
get to the heart looking at at at
isotopic ratios for example spectroscopy
to find out what absolutely and why does
certain materials behave the way they do
because we don't have any material right
now that can withstand those forces so
when you if you have something in your
hand you can look and say whoa that is
really unique that can do stuff that our
material can't do have you had stuff in
your hand unfortunately I am not at
Liberty to discuss anything as it
relates to potential physical
material okay and then we're back to the
yeah yeah
okay okay fine um but hypothetically if
there were that might be a good reason
to invest into Laboratories because it
would allow us to test and and maybe
confirm or deny whether or not those
materials physical simulations you know
there's one thing to do mathematical
modeling on a computer that's great
another thing is to actually be able to
replicate it in a laboratory I
understand and because clearly at least
from my very small experience with
Material Science we understand how our
elements group we understand how you can
change them with temperature so in the
assumption that we had let's say exotic
materials do you believe we would be
able to run spectroscopy and see uh kind
of non-human origin creations of of
certain
structures atomic structures and lates
that we we just wouldn't know how to
make might let's say hypothetically um
let let's go down that rabbit hole for a
second so your your readers can kind of
get an appreciation of just some of the
challenges here there are only so many
elements in the universe okay there
aren't any new elements right and most
of these elements are created at the
very last stages the last microseconds
of of a supernova going Supernova right
um and you have this incredible amount
of energy where all these these these
smaller elements combined to create
heavier elements all the way up to
uranium um that's Universal but how the
atoms are arranged is a whole different
story because it takes a level of
precision and Technology to arrange
atoms so precisely that mother nature
can only there's only a certain if you
will deviation of isotopic ratios within
a certain particular ular type of
material or element right when you see
things where atoms are being
arranged so
specifically and in a manner which we
cannot to this day replicate we don't
not we do not have the technology to put
this atom precisely like that within a
matrix and on top of that if you had
that technology be able to do it at a
mass scale would be would bankrupt Any
Nation right we we that that that cap
ability does not exist at least not with
our own existing current technology as
human beings so then one must ask the
next logical question well we can see it
we know what it's made out of and we
know how it's arranged who made it who
has the technology to create material
with that level of
specificity what country has that
technology and then one must ask well
let's say it's a foreign adversary maybe
Russia or China was able to figure it
out well okay but that means despite the
billions and I'm going to emphasize this
again billions not millions billions of
dollars each year our government invests
to keep a Competitive Edge over our
adversaries despite what all the money
we give to CIA and all the money we give
to NSA and Dia and NGA and nro and all
the other Intel agencies somehow some
country has managed to come up with this
technology and build something and
something that we we had no idea went
completely under the radar right and on
top of that we're able to now field this
technology completely unimpeded in our
controlled us airspace and there's not a
damn thing we can do about it this would
be an intelligence fair and I am a
product of the intelligence community so
I can tell you this this would be an
intelligence
failure eclipsing that of 911 this would
be the worst intelligence failure this
country has ever had because despite our
best efforts some country managed to
develop some technology completely under
the radar we had no idea about spend
trillions of dollars developing this
technology and now able to field it into
our controlled airspace and oh by the
way not just last year but going back
decades now think about that for a
minute think about that scary scenario
for a moment it is a scary scenario but
when you when you start to weigh it up
against
uh the probability spectrum of having
non human
intelligent aliens interdimensional
beings spacecraft crashing here
um there's a fair number of people that
would say well look if I'm going to try
and roll a dice and figure out what
one's more likely they might steer away
from the idea that we have some
non-human intelligence that actually
what's happening is unfortunately
exactly what you say and I mean I think
it was not that long ago that uh Elon
Musk had come out and said we we have
this neuralink now our first product is
you know telepathy which is you know the
the fusion of computer chips with the
brain and then you start to think okay
well what if there was a foreign
adversary that was way ahead of that
maybe even in our own government and our
own uh operations we're ahead of that
and then what's to say my God what
happens with a human mind an intelligent
human mind you what happens when you
take an Einstein and you stick a chip in
the mind and then all the for this is
Einstein times a billion how far in such
an extremely short space of time you
think you throw AI in there you know you
throw multi-dimensional mathematics in
there you throw quantum mechanics in
there and you start to go is it actually
more likely that we have uh I'm going to
sound like a real conspiracy theorist
here I appreciate that but is it
actually much more likely that we have a
foreign adversary that has just managed
to uh Leap Frog a little bit and and get
uh human brain brain power massively
Amplified by AI massively Amplified by
um machine interference and actually has
cracked a few codes and the the reality
of the matter is yes these are from
Earth it's just these are extremely um
Cutting Edge developments so your
proposal is that AI was actually
developed in before 2004 right is that's
what you're you're you're you're if you
will postulating and and all these other
Technologies so let me give you another
example here maybe it might be helpful
using aam's razor principle I hear it
thrown around all the time right so let
me let me give you a little from my
background which was microbiology
immunology and and the study of
parasites you may be surprised to know
that it was the
Greeks many Millennia ago who really
looked at all life forms on Earth and
made the observation that there's really
only two forms of life you are either a
plant or you are an animal right both
are alive but really structurally and in
every other way really really different
and then Along Comes
somebody about 300 years
ago and says actually there's another
life form that's been on this planet all
along with us that is neither plant nor
animal in fact it's called fungus and
people said oh that's interesting wow
now
homo sapien sapien as a species is is
estimated to be roughly 100,000 years
old so if you look at a 24-hour clock
roughly it's only been the last 4
seconds of our existence that mankind
realize we've been sharing this planet
with another life form that is neither
plant nor animal and as mindboggling as
that is it's only been in the last
second and a half of our existence that
we realize there is another life form on
this planet that we've been sharing
along in fact if you take all the
biomass of every animal and all the
biomass of every plant and all the
biomass of every fungus and add it all
up together it still will not add up to
this invisible biomass that is the true
dominant life form on this planet and
what is it that is that that is the the
an the kingdom of
microorganisms not until we had the
technology could say little beasties
little
beasties did we realize the true
dominant life form on this planet the
last 100,000 years as
species we have been living completely
oblivious to that fact right so I ask
you what's
more what's more
realistic using that analogy right as a
microbiologist every time we think we
have an understanding of Mother Nature
can put her a nice little box she always
finds a way out every time there was a
time when I was in school they said all
life forms are derived and get their
energy ultimately from photosynthesis
and we took that as a scientific fact
man papers and documents and you name it
all that crap came out and every was oh
this is great we are so smart poat
ourselves on the back great job humans
then it turns out well you know what
 there's this other life form at the
bottom of the ocean that live by the
black smokers and the Heat and they
survive off of something called
chemosynthesis not photosynthesis and
they do quite well well there goes that
theory about photosynthesis right and
then while all life forms need to
survive and they must have oxygen well
not true anerobic bacteria do not things
like botulism claustrum botulinum does
not in fact it will die in the presence
of oxygen right and we have these other
things called extremophiles that live
live thousands of feet under the
crushing pressure of the Antarctic ice
right we have life forms we have found
on the outside of the ISS bacteria that
are doing just fine in a in a zero
gravity environment High radiation
environment no atmosphere environment
right
so we are constantly learning we are
constantly realizing every time we put a
limitation on Mother Nature we are wrong
every
time when are we going to learn in the
course of our planet being four and a
half roughly estimated to be by
scientist four and a half billion years
old
right 4 and a half billion years old and
we've been looking for life we're
spending millions of dollars with NASA
trying to find microbial Life on Mars
we're spending millions of dollars
through through Endeavors like seti
looking for techno signatures within our
own Milky Way galaxy of intelligent
life 4 and a half billion years is a
long time what if intelligent life has
found us
first is it
possible it seems like a emotional
response in those moments is it is it
something that makes you feel irritated
at your government your team there's
because it's a great way of putting it
and I understand fully what you mean and
I I'm with you and the animation and the
elevation of your emotion there is is
really real it's hubris we haven't
learned our lesson yet every time we
think we have the answer we put on
blinders and we
refuse to look at what's around us look
at poor Galileo the guy almost burned
him at the Stak for simply observing the
solar system and declaring that the
Earth was not the center of the solar
system and he had the recant they
refused to even look through his
telescope now we look back and say
that's silly do you feel that there's
some similarities because there is there
are people that will try and ostracize
you and take you down for for this stuff
does it feel like an attack sometimes of
course it does but it but I try to
remember it's not about me and they're
just doing what we do as a species we've
always behaved this way anytime someone
comes up with a disruptive idea or
disruptive evidence to our current
Paradigm anything that we that is
introduced to us that change forces us
to change our existing Paradigm whether
real or
not there is always a violent
reaction we have a lot in common in that
sense with my background I was very used
to being taught one thing as fact we run
the experiments we understand something
five years later you go to university
and they go ah everything you learn at
school kind of got a out because we now
have new information that's right and
there's two times in my life that I have
been
left awake at night and one of them was
um the double slit experiment something
that will will uh if you follow that and
understand that the universe will have
different outcomes depending on whether
you look at it or not that's right uh if
you want
to think about that long enough that'll
that'll keep you up a night the other
one was learning about you and your work
and I I feel I apologize I feel I'm so
sorry I feel like that now honestly
because I feel like you have answers
that what I would have wanted more than
anything in this world was to break that
hard exterior shell that you have about
not being able to tell but I've got to
admit I'm glad to hear the explanation
because you must understand from my
position the frustration and it and it
is a gratification we're after we do
just want to know we just want to know
We're alone it's difficult to know that
you have this information that you you
can't tell us but in that I have to tap
my hat because I do understand what what
was it you said before you said you
would rather do things yeah there's a
saying that I that I have there's a
difference between doing things right
and doing things right now and I think I
would prefer to do things right and in
fact if anything the last six seven
years should be an indicator that
whatever method we're doing to figure
this out is actually working we're
getting people now engaged we have our
government engaged we have Executive
Branch the legislative branch
everybody's now engaged we have
resources going to scientists and
organizations in the government to
actually study these things collect the
data so so I do believe we are getting
to the destination that everybody wants
to get to I understand and appreciate
people's impatience believe me if
there's anybody impatient it's me I I am
dying to just come out and say blah blah
blah blah and tell everybody what I know
um but I know that's not the best way to
get to where we want to go I think those
answers the questions you were asking
will be answered how do you think people
hypothetically if you were allowed to
tell everybody everything you know what
do you think the emotional response
would be how do you think people would
react let me share with you a very short
anecdote um my wife and I raised our
children on the Chesapeake Bay even know
I was a Fed in DC um we wanted to raise
our children
with some sense of normaly um so they
could ride their bikes in a normal
neighborhood don't have to lock your
doors so we live in a little island
called Kent Island in the Chesapeake Bay
and on weekends we'd go for these family
walks by the by the seaside and my
daughter at the time Taylor my oldest
daughter sitting down she was probably
7even years old and she says daddy um
how come that blue crab Marilyn blue
crab were famous for blue crabs why is
had blue crab so big and that one down
there so small how does a small one
become the big one and I said well
Taylor um that big crab was once a small
crab and it has this shell around it and
the shell protects it and it's kind of
like armor and keeps the other fish from
from nipping at it um but there comes a
point in time once a year maybe twice a
year where that crab has to break out of
its
shell and I'm sure if you were asking
the crab at the time is it uncomfortable
the crab would probably say yeah I don't
really like this process very much but
it is a necessary process that nature
requires in order to grow otherwise if
that little crab doesn't fails to break
out of its crab shell it will be stunted
that that crabshell becomes a prison
it's no longer working to the benefit of
the crab so so these moments of these
Paradigm moments where we must be
willing to break open our shell and grow
a new one based upon new information I
think is very much in the spirit of of
of the scientific method and I think
it's normal as a species these Paradigm
moments don't have happen very often in
one's Lifetime and that's why it's
uncomfortable to have these types of
conversations but as a species in the
lifespan of the entire species these
Paradigm moments happen all the time and
in fact is a natural part of our human
evolution every time when we for for
example the first time we decid to sail
over the ocean blue that was a paradigm
moment when we first went into space now
of course we take it for granted we have
satellites there and we're doing space
tourism right these Paradigm moments
don't happen very often like I said in
one's lifetime but they are a necessity
as a species if you want to continue to
grow and expand and evolve these are
just normal occurrences you know there
was a time people looked at the Moon
they said oh Witchcraft and look at the
moon it's going to make you sick now we
realize no that's not the case you're
just catching a cold because you're
outside late at night and you probably
should be sleeping um it's just
expanding our understanding of the
natural world and how willing do you
think people will be to let go of their
shells do you think that the information
that that you're aware of is
going to be something that like ah cast
off a shell brand new crab or do you
think that for many they're going to
stay in their prison I think the Next
Generation once the information is out
people will will those who are born to
the new paradigm will look at this and
say how silly we were how dumb how how
could we possibly think we were the only
ones right the problem is it's the
generation that's going through the
process that's where that's where you
have the friction that's where the rub
comes in right and you have all this
this anxiety and people say oh I got to
go talk to my therapist because I don't
know what to think go about your living
life nothing should change should change
your religion don't change your
government keep paying your taxes keep
raising your family why would you change
any of that just because your
understanding has now been increased
doesn't mean you necessarily have to
change the way you're living your life
they're not they're not mutually
exclusive and I think that's part of the
problem we think that you know every
time we we come into to contact with
some sort of new understanding it's
going to revolutionize the way we do
things well in some cases it will but
it's not going to change us as a species
you
know I wanted to explore a few final
questions about these actual uaps and
again I understand you have to be
careful about what what you what you
confirm or deny but one of the things
that might worry some myself probably
included here is that plenty of people
uh have noted a pattern of these craft
uaps interacting with our nuclear
systems missile silos being activated
deactivated folling around
nuclear powered
craft what how does that make you feel
though you don't seem face doesn't seem
something bothered but as as someone who
is a military man loyalty is important
the defense of your country is important
to know that there is something coming
in turning on nukes disarming nuclear
capabilities that must freak you out
well at the risk
of having an uncomfortable conversation
with some of your your listeners there's
two parts of Lou alzando there is Lou
the former National Security guy an
intelligence officer then there's Lou
the disclosure Advocate and transparency
Advocate they're not the same person
okay people say well how can that be
well from a military perspective there's
only three options intention right how
do we how do we judge what a threat is
well there's only it's a very simple
equation it's capabilities versus intent
we have seen some of the capabilities we
have no idea the intent so we don't know
if it's a threat so if it's it or is not
a threat there's only three
possibilities it's either good it's bad
or it's neutral right can do both good
or bad um a lot of people say Well
they're here to good and they're for
good reasons they're here to help us and
and take matches out of a you know kid's
hand right with nuclear weapons the sad
reality is we haven't seen any evidence
of that in fact if you look at all the
development from the atomic age up to
the nuclear age to the thermonuclear age
look at the things like Chernobyl look
at the things like Fukushima and Three
Mile Island uaps were never there to
disable these things uaps never stopped
these horrible things from happening
uaps did not stop us dropping bombs in
Hiroshima or Nagasaki they did not stop
us testing these things in the 1950s in
the deserts of Nevada they didn't stop
the proliferation of nuclear weapons
between Russia and China the US Israel
UK now France every everybody else right
Iran
Pakistan they haven't stopped that what
we have seen however is what some might
describe as ISR intelligence
surveillance and reconnaissance because
what we do know is that these UAP are
interested in our military equities and
our nuclear capabilities so and when you
say you know that you know that
definitively or it seems that way based
on no we have the data of that we know
that you know that and I'm not going to
go into detail what they're specifically
interested in but but military stuff and
also our nuclear capabilities and power
generation and whatnot and Weapons
Systems so with that said some some
might in the National Security
environment if I was wearing my National
Security hat right Lou alzando the
intelligence officer I would say that's
ipb initial preparation of the battle
space someone is doing reconnaissance on
us and they want to know our
capabilities why right that's a big
problem now that's Lou the National
Security guy then there's Lou the
disclosure and transparency guy that
says okay I can understand that from a
national security perspective that's the
lens you're looking at and that's the
lens we pay you to look at right we want
you to think that way want you to keep
us
safe but could it be something else
right I mean we fly all the time over
over not to make a a funny story here
but case in point you know you watch an
e nature show and you you watch over the
African Savannah the scattering of the
wilderbeast right and there's some dude
in a helicopter flying and filming and
one guy takes a dark gun and shoots one
in the butt and and the thing Falls over
they go down they withdraw blood they
make sure they look at migratory dietary
uh health of the animal right now take a
couple blood samples put a tag in the
ear and they leave right now imagine
from that Buffalo's perspective waking
up and all sudden going to the water
Hall and saying hey Bill you're not
going to believe this man but I just had
the craziest thing happen to me and man
my butt hurts right so they're like what
are you talking about Bill stop drinking
from that pond don't you know that pond
is got something there you know go drink
from the clean water will you um and uh
you know it there's all sorts of of of
possibilities and so I'm not one to I
don't think fear is the right lens lens
I think I think curiosity and maybe some
concern as to why but fear I don't think
is a proper response but what about when
we have certain claims coming out that
instead of getting shot in the ass with
a dark gun that there may have been
um much more severe injuries or even
death involved in this well the question
is what is it intentional or not look if
I go out to any airport right now and I
happen to fly out of here and grab a
plane I'm there's no danger right but
now if I go to that same airplane I get
out of the plane go on the tarmac and
put my head behind the jet engine while
it's throttling up well yeah there's a
big danger I'm going to to sucked into
the engine I'm going to get burned right
probably not very good for me physically
so you know the question is is it it in
is there an intention right people say
well there's a threat well of course
there's a threat but threat doesn't
necessarily mean harmful intent right
they're two different things yes there
is a Potential Threat if you come up to
a technology a microwave oven that
doesn't have the front screen on you're
going to get irradiated that's just a
product of the technology and is it
something you can talk about whether or
not people have have lost their lives
have been injured in we have what I can
say because it's already been put out at
the unclassified level through several
of the research documents that have been
released through intelligence agencies
there are a handful well unfortunately
more than a handful there are a group of
individuals US service members that have
been affected
by UAP technology in and having negative
medical
consequences and that's as far as we can
go on that topic negative medical
consequences yeah I want to be careful
remember threat is not necessarily
hostile hostile intent you know you can
have a you can have the threat of a of
of getting run over by a truck if you
cross a freeway without looking right
but there's no hostile intent behind it
and the two have to be segregated you we
can't we can't throw those two in the
same same bucket I think my last
question would
be with everything that you
know and trying to avoid putting you in
a position you ask my wife she'll tell
you I don't know a I know nothing okay
so and my daughter you ask my daughter
I'll tell even I know even less than
than that so let's just make that clear
of what I do know okay of what
you of what you do know in a in a very
specific field um you're one a few few
humans walking this Earth that has
information in this certain field and
with that information that you have this
top secret information you have can you
tell us what you think the intent
is first of all I really appreciate you
asking me that
question secondly I have to apologize
because I can't tell you and not because
I I I can't because of clearance
security clearance because morally I
can't I don't have enough information to
make an educated opinion on I simply
don't because it can be all sorts of
things and the one thing I learned in
intelligence is you can be absolutely
sure of something you be absolutely
wrong so I prefer to stick with the
facts what is the data what does the
data suggest what are we looking at
what's the mathematical models I'm happy
to comment on that but what you're
asking me to do now is go beyond that
and the absence of information and data
and speculate and I think it's it would
be I think it would be very
irresponsible for someone like me to do
it I could do it and there's a lot of
people that do there's this whole topic
if you go on Twitter God bless don't do
it but it's it's a Cess pool of people
there who have their own ideas and they
are sure it's you know reptilians or
plees and this and that and this and
that and they're here here to you know
suck your blood or here to make peace
who who knows right I think that's very
dangerous and there's a lot of people
making money through a cottage industry
of telling people they have the answer
when they don't have the answer and
that's the one thing I've always told
people look I will tell you when I don't
have an answer it's two the two reasons
only two either it's classified or I
don't know and I will always be honest I
will tell you I don't know when I don't
know and I'm telling you now I don't
know well as as we round this up I can
appreciate it because every time I ask
you about uh
many other figures in this space I
appreciate that you always defer to them
that we should listen to them and and
you've always spoken from as far as I
can tell and I'm sure everyone
listening spoken honestly and with
loyalty and um I look forward to
hopefully doing this again in maybe a
couple of years when there's a bit more
information out there well may have to
be that long you know if we're lucky if
we if we're successful you're having
this conversation next year well it is
it has been an honor thank you for doing
this honor and privilege is mine thank
you love that