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AATIP Luis Elizondo Speaking at AAPC (uncut video with guests and Q&A)
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Keynote - Mr. Luis Elizondo - To The Stars Academy Board Member, Former Program Manager (AATIP), Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, Pentagon - "AATIP - Looking Back and Forward"
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Presentation Title:
AATIP – Looking Back and Forward
 
Presentation Abstract:
As the former Program Manager for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), this presentation presents a unique perspective about this only recently known program that looked into the military related cases of unknown phenomena and their potential threat to our National Security interests and Aerospace Defense. While the program had its funding lasting until 2012, the program continues at the Pentagon. Announcements about its future role will provide insights that are not commonly known and these directions will help us get to answers that we have all been seeking.
 
Bio:
To The Stars Academy Director of Global Security & Special Programs
Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. As a former Special Agent In-Charge, Luis conducted and supervised highly sensitive espionage and terrorism investigations around the world. As an intelligence Case Officer, he ran clandestine source operations throughout Latin America and the Middle East. Most recently, Luis managed the security for certain sensitive portfolios for the US Government as the Director for the National Programs Special Management Staff. For nearly the last decade, Luis also ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. Luis’ academic background includes Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases. Luis is also an inventor who holds several patents.

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vca10wuiMtE

Transcript: 

whatever questions you have I will be
happy to answer any question that I can
answer if I don't have the answer I'll
tell you I don't have the answer and I
don't know if it requires an answer
that's sensitive or that would cause me
to violate my NDA I'll tell you that and
I won't be able to answer at least
you'll hear from me and I will tell you
that it can't answer the question and
you'll know why
[Music]
blugh you're up buddy I can't wait to
hear everything you have to say probably
this be a discussion as possible and
kind of make it interactive and then at
the end any questions you have let me
know a couple ground rules there are no
ground rules whatever questions you have
I will be happy to answer any question
that I can answer if I don't have the
answer I'll tell you I don't have the
answer and I don't know if it requires
an answer that's sensitive or that would
cause me to violate my NDA I'll tell you
that and I won't be able to answer at
least you'll hear it from me
and I will tell you that it can't answer
the question and you'll know why I want
to be as transparent and forthcoming as
possible also before I begin I would
like to also extend a few thank-yous to
a couple folks here first of all mr.
rich Hoffman I thank you for inviting us
I won't let everybody know here that
this is important to to folks like how
tonight we we do not get a speaking
engagement fee to do this we do this
free because we believe in what we're
doing because we know you believe in
what you're doing so I want to make sure
that's clear I also want to thank mr.
Robert Powell thank you very much sir
for the coordination and everything all
your help so far it's been fantastic
thank you
also also mr. Morgan Bell so thank you
very much mr. Joan Donato and by the way
please give change in my regard she was
a fantastic agent and I'm sure she's a
she's a fantastic officer now and then I
would also like to thank mr. Alejandro
Rojas and is a very lovely wife over
here
these folks are kind of the Mavericks in
their field and despite until recently a
lot of the stigma that you all know
surround this portfolio they continue to
do their jobs day in and day out and
that says a lot I would also like to
very quick just a quick show of hands if
you're comfortable those who have ever
served either in the
military our work with the US government
or are working with the US government in
any capacity at all anybody at all quite
a few people I want to thank you
sincerely for your service
it is truly humbling thank you so very
much and then of course last but not
least an individual who I did not know I
only heard about her today I apologize
for my ignorance but it is the passing
of Miss Karen King that is that is very
certainly very unfortunate and sad news
to hear and especially for somebody who
had contributed much to this field so I
would like to would like to also offer
my condolences sincerely to her family
unfortunately this is so before I change
any slides here I would also like to
thank you all last but not least
certainly but not least you're really
the reason why we're here
folks I Cal myself others because you
all have been pursuing something that I
only did for the last decade somebody
you have invested 30 40 even 15 years of
your life and that is one hell of a
commitment that is our marriage so I
want to I want to tell you sincerely
from from from myself and from Howell
and others thank you very much for for
your commitment and I'm very hopeful
that forums like this are going to
continue to bring this conversation to
light so with no further review let me
go ahead and see if I figured this out
it I have to preface this Hooked on
Phonics did not work for me too well
kind of limited from an automation
perspective so let's see if it works
afterwards okay
a lot of people ask me so do you think
disclosure has occurred and I think it
has occurred and I think it is still
occurring as I said before I believe
this is a process it's not an event
I'm also asked well is this confirmation
well what does that mean because if you
look at the word confirmation that kind
of gives the impression that there's
some sort of underlying narrative to
begin with that you're confirming and
I'm not sure we have that narrative yet
I think we need more data I think we're
in the process of building that
narrative and we do that using the
scientific method and collecting
evidence and materials and doing the
proper analysis on this in a way that is
is can be peer-reviewed and of course
repeatable right that's what science is
all about
so is this confirmation in my opinion
I'm gonna caveat that mind it's only my
opinion and I don't like to dip it very
often I don't think this is confirmation
because I don't think we have a
narrative yet and a very wary of going
down any avenue where we have some
preconceived notion of what something
might or might not be already and so we
have enough evidence to establish the
facts so December 16th you all know
better than I do
what happened the news got out and and
everybody everybody was talking about it
I would like to share with you some
personal insight I received a call from
a very dear colleague of mine who's
still at the Pentagon who works this
effort very very closely and so yes read
between the lines when I say it's
working this I don't mean in the past
actively working distance so that means
that that continues so congratulations
it's still going and and that too will
come out hopefully in a very official
way sometime soon but I received a call
from him very very recently and actually
it was this week and he said you know
Lou it's funny because a conversation
that I had to have with you just a year
and a half ago in a vault within a skin
in a TSS CIA facility that stopped clear
and we had the whisper to have his car
sation I can now have this conversation
in the open halls of the Pentagon
imagine that how far we've come good and
so as we sit here today I encourage you
look around look at all these pictures
around you you're right now and at the
epicenter of where mankind as a species
left this planet and went somewhere else
went to the moon I was looking at some
of these pictures that profound in one
picture you have a dirt road with a few
Model T's and people walking along in
dusty roads just 40 years later forty
years later you have someone also
walking on a dusty road but it's not on
this planet it's on the moon and he's in
a spacesuit so things happen and and
because of people like you and the
scientific community science fiction
becomes science fact
and so anybody who would look at you
with some sort of maybe tilt the smile
or something like that and so you talk
about UFOs what does that mean well we
don't know what it means but you should
probably pay attention because it is
real now what it is and how what's
intentions all these other things well
that's for smarter people than me to
figure out that's beyond me but we have
established the fact that they're real
and we have also established the fact
that from a national security
perspective and we'll talk about this
and there some people are a little bit
leery of the fact that I I've always
historically tied this to it to a a
national security threat and we'll get
to that but you now have people at the
highest levels of the United States
government and international communities
of their governments finally taking this
serious upon real resources real talents
real expertise to look at this and
finally figure out what this means
so congratulations I think this is a
historic event for everybody to have a
forum like this where everybody can sit
down and have an honest conversation
about a topic that has been
so fraud before with with skepticism and
taboo you have achieved a lot keep in
mind just ten years ago scientists still
couldn't agree whether or not the giant
squid of the Pacific really even existed
because the on saw one on camera
and so finally enough washed up on a
beach and enough showed up on deep-sea
cameras where now we realize oh you know
what there really are sea monsters in
the ocean but they're actually a species
it's actually part of nature it's not
suicide it's is just science and so my
time at the Pentagon working with some
fantastic human beings like how food off
and others we approach this very much
the same way we approach this from a
scientific perspective we wanted to know
what we could capture empirical with
empirical data qualify and quantify it
so that we can go ahead and take that
data and try to figure out what it is
we're dealing with and so that's really
it in a nutshell this this occurred and
my intention for for leaving the
Department of Defense I would also like
to clarify it was not a matter of
disloyalty was in fact loyalty why I
left the Department of Defense in the
first place I am very very loyal to the
Department of Defense if you look at my
resignation memo one of the very last
things I told secretary mattis you can
always count on me to carry the water
for DoD I love my country I love the
Department of Defense I believe in what
we're trying to accomplish but in order
for me to accomplish and finish the very
mission I was given by the way which I
did not ask for I actually had to leave
my beloved department to finish that
mission so if anybody has any
speculation out there why I left I did
not leave in bad blood I left because I
had to because it was the only way I was
going to be able to get the boss when I
was wanted to who I serve in combat with
to be able to pay attention because
certain people that were minding him
were not providing him
information and in my opinion the only
thing more dangerous to a country keep
in mind that Department of Defense
mission is to protect its national
borders the only thing more dangerous
than our ability not to protect our
national borders and our people is not
to be able to have a conversation that
that threat exists and that was my that
is what I did to you we couldn't even
have a conversation about it because of
social stigma and that is wrong so that
is why I chose to leave and of course a
lot of speculation came out as a result
of that and by a spy for the CIA trying
to fool people and do soft disclosure as
I've said before look at the end of the
day I'll tell you no but it is really
matter because people gonna believe what
they believe I didn't they don't care
because we're getting what we wanted
you're getting the information that was
so squirreled away in these little
secret hidden compartments it's now
coming to light
you're now realizing we're looking at
aircraft forty years in the future
because if you look at forty years ago
in the past what do we have we have
f-16s we have f-14 Tomcats we had F Wars
what do we have today we have at Fayette
teams we have f-16 we have F twenty-twos
we have about 117 but they're still Jets
when you look at the DIA studies I think
it's very evident what we were looking
at when we're looking at an aircraft
forty years in the future we're going to
get them to a little bit right now so
this was the a-10 contract focus and I
also want to go a little bit into what H
it means and you have you seen up here
aerospace we're not talking about
aviation we're not talking about
airplanes we're talking about things
that have the ability to operate both in
an atmosphere environment and no
atmosphere environment and you know what
probably underwater - why is that
important because these things are being
able to move to perform in a way that we
still don't quite yet understand we
certainly cannot replicate more
importantly they can do it in all
virtual mediums so let me digress for
just one moment here
and do a very brief and I don't want to
something anybody's intelligence I know
pretty much everybody who knows more
about physics than I do but as it was
explained to me let's say this pen here
is a aircraft and aircraft looks like an
aircraft because it has to perform in
our atmosphere so it hasn't notice it's
got a tail it's got wings it's got
control surfaces it's got an engine in
the back so playing pretty much looks
like a planing
yeah I might me of me too versus an f-16
but it still is a plane whereas a rocket
doesn't have to fly really for very much
time in our atmosphere it's in no
atmosphere so it has thrusters doesn't
have wings some time control services as
thrusters has chemical rocket motors
instead of a jet engine because there's
no atmosphere and yet a submarine looks
completely different it actually uses
buoyancy and a propeller to move
underwater and that's why submarine
looks like a submarine a plane would
send a plane and a rocket looks like a
rocket for the most part yet these
things were seen can operate in all
these environments without changing
their physical attributes and still
continue to perform the same way now for
those of you who are scientists you know
the track coefficients we're talking
about when you're in water you look at a
torpedo and I can't go into details here
but anything above a moderate speed
underwater the drag becomes so
significant that it's almost impossible
to overcome unless you use other
technologies to reduce that friction and
yet these things can perform just as
easily we pick them up on radar we take
them up on sonar and we pick them up
with everything in between this was a
contract focus I've talked about this
before but this came out back more than
a year ago before the list of dia
studies was ever released and this is
actual from the contract why is that
important because a word phenomena is
used does it say aircraft folks
it says phenomena it's in black and
white you can read it yourself in the
Contra
black-and-white every word that we use
is deliberate in the US government you
know that from a contract vehicle
perspective if you've ever been a core
contract officers representative you
know what I'm talking about
words have meaning they have legal
meaning so when you see that investigate
legitimacy of currently observed
phenomena investigate that doesn't mean
just do studies folks that doesn't mean
sit back with a stubby pencil and just
collect data it's investigating it's
doing it's an action so and then ask the
question are they achievable by current
understanding of physics and engineering
what if there are craft than the answer
is yes unless they're not and then it
says at the bottom if not look research
is required to achieve it
well those are the studies that mr. Pugh
talked helped get done for us and
several other very very very renowned
scientists some of the best in the world
in their fields binding so that's why
you have those studies I came out and
again it says in black and white
phenomenon does not say aircraft so
anybody who tries to twist that
narrative I would encourage you to do a
little reading or encourage them to do a
little reading because it's in black and
white
so this is a slide to put out before but
I can probably talk a little bit more
now about it because all these studies
came out so let me briefly go over what
are the five observables work okay
you're talking about an object here's
our little airplane again the first
observable is sudden and instantaneous
acceleration what we're talking about
are the inertial forces that are that
are exhibited by something when it
changes direction from point A to point
B and possibly back to a again at C or
whatever there are internal inertial
forces that we can look at and we can
actually measure to determine is it
something that we know so to put this in
context the human body can withstand for
a very short period of time about nine
G's wearing a G suit otherwise very
unpleasant things start to happen
blackouts rathaus et cetera and f-16
I'll be it a little bit older aircraft
anybody here from General Dynamics well
anyways great aircraft little older
still one of the most highly
maneuverable aircraft we've ever built
except a few experimental ones but they
were unmanned so and that aircraft can
go anywhere between 16 to 18 G's before
the material science aspect of the
aircraft begins to break down meaning
when we snap off okay there are other
things missiles that can experience much
greater g-forces for a very short period
of time again a very short period but
what we're seeing is a consistent and a
persistent ability to perform g-forces
well in excess of 400 genes and that's
on the conservative side well beyond the
healthy limitations of anything
biological is certain to withstand and
by the way this is not world according
to them this is this is actually
documented it's been recorded it's real
you can see it yourself and the Nimitz
is just one of many many examples that
I'm fairly certain are going to come to
light really soon the next one is
hypersonic velocity so here's our little
airplane again flying
in the atmosphere and everybody knows
that supersonic speeds are blurry you're
talking hypersonic velocity you're
talking about Mach 5 Plus that's really
fast but now do we have aircraft that
can do it sure Hank the Space Shuttle
did that I was going and changing
orbital velocity but not the way we're
seeing it and certainly not without the
Associated signatures when you seen the
shuttle launch baby you know it's a
shuttle
I mean it's loud you see a smoke plume
for miles and miles and miles earth
shakes when an aircraft is doing that
kind of speed or a missile you have heat
ablation and friction you have
atmospheric organization you have
contrails at the back you have acoustic
signatures such as sonic booms that are
very hard to get around an engineer
around it okay that's why you have
something like the b2 it's really
stealthy but it's not really fast if you
want to be really fast you're probably
not going to be really stealthy so it's
a trade-off that these things are
performing hypersonic velocity in some
cases have to be careful icing what I
will tell you is that they have been
officially clocked at over 13,000 miles
an hour unofficially much much faster
and by the way these are through through
military capabilities okay not grandma
saw some lights in the backyard the
third observable is a little bit of an
oxymoron low observability right believe
it or not the fact that you can't see it
sometimes is something that you can
record sometimes the absence of data
itself is just as important as having
data if you see a hole in the picture
that means something to creating that
hole and very much the same way here
you'll have the reports of the pilots
eye witnesses by the way highly trained
observers all with top-secret security
clearances by the way trusted to fly
live munitions over US cities go and
fight way
these these people are trained to know
the silhouette
between the mid 25 and mig-29 and f-16
in the European tour not they know it
they know they different between a drone
a quadcopter and a kite and they're
telling you what they're seeing is
unlike anything they've ever seen before
but oh wait there's more because what
they're reporting and saying you know
it's this weird kind of silvery object
that's hard to see is also being backed
up under lector optical data the cameras
are seeing that same fuzzy weird object
- with this weird glowing aura this halo
around him and oh by the way it happens
to be the same thing and that the radar
is picking up two simultaneously and not
just one radar many radars at the same
time from different positions okay so
they have spatial and temporal data
coming in oh I think that probably told
you guys don't ever do this same spatial
and temporal information all now coming
together telling you that you've got
something there
may I know what it is it's hard to see
it but maybe that the fact that it's
hard to see in itself as an observable
thing is telling you something there's
some physics there right when you look
at the desert a hot desert on a hot day
you see that mirages effect it's kind of
hard to seize through are we looking at
something similar and of course that you
can see on the right these are some of
the reasons why it's important for us
from them from a DoD perspective a
military perspective a national security
perspective because if I can do
instantaneous acceleration and
hypersonic velocity of low observability
that gives me the ability to understand
thrust-vectoring capabilities g-force
neutralization rapid deployment of a
capability first-strike capability right
so if I can go ahead and hit my enemy
before they hit mean and that's probably
better and then of course stealth low
observability the other two observables
multi-medium travel positive look we'll
talk very briefly about that - I
apologize on the right if it's hard to
to seeing those I didn't get a chance
when I was going between PC and Mac
back and forth on this it dropped the
color but though they're supposed to be
young multi-medium travel we talked
briefly about that an object that can
perform just as easily in atmosphere
low-earth orbit possibly beyond and even
under water now why would that be
important for us well strategic surprise
military flexibility battle space
dominance I can fly I can swim and I can
do everything in between that's huge but
that again goes to a world of
compromises when we're talking from an
engineering perspective for exist when
you look at a sea plane right that's a
plane that can fly but it can also kind
of be like a boat but a seaplane isn't
real it's you know it's it's an
amalgamation of compromises it's not
really a great airplane and it's not
really a great boat it's just kind of in
the middle there because it's got a
satisfying boat so there are these
compromises we don't see those
compromises when we're looking at the
UAP why is that and then of course
positive lift the ability to define the
natural effects of Earth's gravitational
force that by the way universally
applies to us all
and we have technology sure I mean we
have hot air balloons that's positive
lift we have lift wings right like an
aircraft you have the four the four
coefficient you have to pay attention to
thrust lift drag weight you have a jet
engine that can provide that thrust you
have a propeller engine that's kind of a
mechanical way of pushing the air if you
will and then you have rocket engines
chemical engines but really those are
only the four real ways we know how to
how to defy for any real good kind
Earth's natural gravitational force
other than ballistic right like a mortar
or just popping this a lot of it out of
a silo
yeah these things can fly these credible
speeds and yet hover like a helicopter
sometimes for a minute sometimes for
hours sometimes for days they can drop
in from 80,000 feet down to 50 feet
right over the water within less
a couple seconds you tell me and I mean
I I was part of a lot of government
programs I have a good healthy
background in aerospace and protecting
technologies advanced technologies when
I was a young special agent we still
don't have that capability so you can
see from a national security perspective
there are national security implications
to this now if you ask me as a human
being is a national security threat I
think my answer to you would be could be
if it wanted to be and as it potential
to be I'm not saying they're a threat
what I'm saying is that they could mean
if they wanted to be or it could be if
it wanted to be so as a result you pay
in your department of defense to protect
this country from all enemies foreign
and domestic
that's what it says so you you want a
Department of Defense to consider this a
potential national security threat until
it can prove its not so that's why in my
job look if this was a humanitarian
thing and everybody was here for peace
and sing Kumbaya give it to the State
Department give it to an NGO unit in
USAID that's not DoD's job you don't
whose job is to go fight and win wars
quickly that is what you paid us to do
and so that is why there was a national
security Nexus because if there's
anything other than national security
the DoD would not be involved the Air
Force wouldn't be involved maybe
wouldn't be involved most likely the CIA
wouldn't be involved
dia and everybody else it is a national
security issue is that a threat
I don't know but it is an issue in my
opinion
but you know what this effort didn't
start with agent and I know that and you
know that a tip was just one piece of a
long legacy of efforts that some people
in this room were actually part of how
incredible is that right so here we are
today and we're going all the way back
some some folks in this room we're
actually part of the project Bluebook
and that's something else these are
documents that were actually released by
these organizations that talk about the
same five observables in fact going back
to the 1950s early fifties 1952 to be
precise officers described seeing a
flying white butane tank about 40 feet a
flying lozenge what is that someone to
you somebody take that to me
and these observables go all the way
back to 1947 and they're written in some
cases by four-star officers they're
written to and from J Edgar Hoover as
high as it gets so don't look at a tip
and say well a tip frontal it's out
actually we didn't we just continued the
legacy of a lot of hard work it goes
well before that we have known about
these things for a long time the only
thing they did with the help of folks
like Al was be able to understand that
these things fell into a category of
observables and then allowed us to try
to figure out the physics that is an
accomplishment of ancient unfortunate I
can't take credit for it the credit goes
to that guy but that is something that
this this office was able to achieve but
I do think that's significant because
once you understand the physics you
understand how it works if you
understand how it works then maybe you
can replicate it so I encourage you at
some time to take a look at some of
these documents very very interesting
again a lot of these are the recent FOIA
there's a lot of them I don't expect
everybody to digest all of it but
there's enough there where anybody can
look at
or even take these slides and blow up
and see to see some of these examples
they're pretty incredible I'm sure some
of you will do this anyway so everyone
always take to the briefing they go
through a fine-tooth comb so I try to
put a couple Easter eggs in there once I
should have said that for this so
there's a long history but you know what
it's not only the us folks it's foreign
governments they've got an interest too
and some of these countries have
actually admitted it for some reason
they're a little more forthcoming than
we are I don't know why I imagine why
but these are some of the organizations
that are actually within their
governments that are actually charter
specifically to look at you a piece from
a scientific perspective minded so
you're talking about money resources and
budgets and personnel it could be
diverted to like things like war on
terrorism but they're not been converted
to the UAP phenomena because they think
it's important enough that they
understand what they're dealing with and
Frank they don't blame you but guess
what it's not just that here's some more
countries so I think when we have this
conversation we're beginning to realize
that this is not a u.s. phenomenon this
is not even a phenomena for this
hemisphere it is truly a global
phenomenon there's a gentleman I met me
here from Peru and you know what they
had one hell of an effort a lot of
interesting things about what happens in
and in the South America how and I have
had a briefing with one individual in
particular from a country down south a
very senior first I still remember that
that debriefing very very compelling and
it was an official US government
deviation by the way so yeah there's a
history here and this is a this is a
global phenomenon so why why why would
we look at it I mean our friends are
looking at it somewhere before that the
series are looking
sure you should look no there's two
things I might before go to the next
slide
talk about just briefly national
security threat
I heard someone else say this a far more
eloquently but let me see why can we
catch here very quickly hypothetically
sir senator so-and-so Lou do you think
this is really I mean really at the end
of it just really it's just really a
threat well sir
mr. senator we have we have two options
and we have something coming into our
airspace that we have no idea what it is
how it works and there's not a damn
thing we can do about it and oh by the
way has a capability to bring
potentially nuclear capabilities over
the White House in two minutes or it's a
mass delusion everybody is absolutely
crazy
thousands of DoD people who have
top-secret clearances trained observers
whom you trust to go fight and win the
worth with languages over your head
since they're crazy by the way some of
these people have their finger on the
nuclear button is that not also an issue
so either way it's a national security
issue doesn't matter what some gal
you're on doesn't matter how you feel
about it hey this message transmission
those are the only two options
it's real or it's not neither one is a
national security issue so I think I
think it's important we we look at it
that way and so then the next options
well you know it's okay who the deal of
these crashes are into someone you know
actually we think it's Russia okay fine
you know what
great so how long have you known DoD and
this was a Russian capability if you
failed to inform Congress which by the
way is wall what's your answer now
because uptake rates Russians
why would you told me it's been how many
years and they've had this cake really
the entire time so
you see my pointer when you go down the
logic train it's really not that bit
illogical to have this conversation from
a national security perspective because
either way you look at it
it is a national security issue but with
come challenges also come opportunities
we are in a room now where we have some
of the greatest minds in this country
working together to put human beings on
the moon coming in today this morning I
was stunned to see a life-sized version
of the Saturn 5 rocket amazing amazing
one of the most powerful fastest
machines mankind has ever built ever is
standing right over there right in your
backyard and let's look at it what
happened during the last space race a
lot of things happen a lot of industries
came out of the last space race that we
couldn't even imagine so my humble
company along with Hal and several other
people like Chris melon Steve justice we
have a company that a lot of people kind
of say well are you ready to but now
you're doing this thing with GSA and
okay you're trying to build something
you're trying to study something you're
also selling books and t-shirts
I'm confused okay well it's okay you can
be but it actually makes sense that's a
whole nother breathing but what I'm
gonna tell you these are kind of a three
divisions we have field operations
science and aerospace and education
entertainment now what the hell does
entertainment and a rock star have to do
with this
you've got a platform folks same reason
you're here today you're all coming here
to have a discussion and have a
conversation in order to do that you got
to get the word out having a rock star
in a musician and understands how to
push a message and there's a little bit
of a vanguard in maverick and doesn't
really care
and some of the rules that you guys like
need to worry about sometimes you got to
break a little China and he knows how to
break a lot of China he was also an
individual who got to the highest levels
of government whether you're one admit
it or not you got to Podesta so we have
to give credit where credit is due and
part of this is like when spielberg came
out with his Close Encounters of the
Third Kind that was I think we can look
back and say wow that was actually a
very monumental movie it was done for
entertainment but it was a monument to
living and so you there are examples
where science fiction has actually
conformed science fact in science fact
has informed science fiction and that's
done in entertainment let's put an
example Gene Roddenberry
Star Trek right remember they had a
little track water the little flip phone
and all of a sudden Motorola 30 years
later folks they talk about the trial or
kind of this thing that we're gonna look
inside your body now we've got cat scans
so those are some examples where site
fiction help inform science fact let's
look at some examples where science fact
inform science fiction in the
entertainment industry and then I won't
paint this too much Apollo 13
a mission that almost became a national
tragedy and disaster but it wasn't it
was a miracle and 30 years later
yup Hollywood doing a movie with Ron
Howard its director on Apollo 13 right
to get that message out so no different
than anybody else trying to get their
message out no different than this
organization here we're trying to get
the conversation started and what you
saw in History Channel that is a start
you're talking about a global audience
of millions and millions of people we
can finally have the conversation and by
the way what people say on camera you
can't take it back once it's said once
it's recorded is there for posterity for
and burn so this is a way that we can
have that conversation and we can get
people to have the conversation people
with access
people with expertise people in the
government this is not a show by the way
if anybody wants to know how well you do
financially doing a show after seven
months like this travel in the world
internationally working your butt off
I've made enough just put on the table
I've made enough to buy a decent
lawnmower so I can now move my lawn and
a self-propelled one more so if you
think this is some get-rich-quick scheme
it's not folks it is I gotta go play the
lottery that that changes I'm making
more money doing that you do this
because you believe in it and once you
see it you can't forget it so this is
our humble company we talked about some
of the innovations that came out
profound innovations resulted from the
last space race well let's take a look
at a few portable life support systems
micro scanners remote medical monitoring
and sensors memory foam for beds here's
just a small few examples let's look at
a few more cosmic ray shielding we now
use them on our satellites freeze-dried
food unless sure that was such a great
invasion portable soil vacuum reflective
foils we use now for thermal insulation
this goes on and on
right human prosthetics and thank NASA
actually there were over 6,300
innovations any of you have athletic
shoes and good work out or do go Paolo
any of you had a cat scan in the last
year all LED lights anybody who has ever
seen an LED light or uses LED lights to
try to save money in your house Oh
each one of these in some cases trying
to a multi-billion dollar industries and
they had no idea NASA had no idea what
was going to come out of the space race
and here's just a small example so guess
what my opinion I think we're at that
paradigm again I think we are at this
paradigm where now we are faced
with a new reality and the sky's the
limit
folks if you think that's exciting wait
to see what comes out of this you can
manipulate space-time metric
can you imagine what type of what type
of things we can do for mankind and
humanity and that's just one so our
company is is focused to a great deal on
the science piece in the aerospace on
looking at this as I as a business case
model that might work all right so just
find everybody wants to talk about the
sea so look all those products that came
out of the last base range required
material science scientists in some
cases like you that are sitting in this
room we need your help you know how the
material you know how the analysis you
know how the data you got nothing so
this is why forms like yours are so
important you've gotta have scientists
at the end of the day to figure out just
what the hell it is we're looking at
what what makes this material so special
now in some cases this material was told
it's special through analysis guess what
yeah not so special but some of it is
absolutely special I will point out
which ones on that slide but there are
some that are absolutely special and
have been briefed to some very very
senior levels of this government and
they do remarkable and extraordinary
things and they're built in such a way
that to this day we still can't
replicate can this day
so that should be that should be very
telling material science is a critical
piece to this we can't just sit there
and say aha I told you so
that's not what this is about this is
not this effort is not about satisfying
the natural curiosity of people who want
to know right now as I've said before
there's a difference in giving
information right and giving it right
now I am not in the business of giving
information right now I'd rather give it
to you right so you have to do to
diligence you have to understand what it
takes to do the analysis and to respect
the scientific amendments and to respect
the people you're working with in
government whether it be the legislative
branch or the executive branch you've
got to give people time you have been
steeping of you in this for decades some
of these people are learning about this
for the very first time no kidding
there's scratching so wait a minute
that's real that's real can you imagine
that so you got to give them time and
then they have to make decisions because
you can imagine with something like this
there's all sorts of agencies and
organizations that have an interest in
this I can't tell you which ones
unfortunately but you can use your
imagination and it's not just propulsion
there's other organizations I can look
at this you know and say let's say from
let's say from Ramel perspective right I
put X amount of pounds of armor on a
vehicle that slow me down and weigh me
down what if I didn't have to have armor
at all what if I had a way a certain
material where bullets didn't matter and
what it didn't do anything to me so
we're taking this step by step I know
people are hungry for information data I
do believe it's forthcoming but it has
to be done the right way and by the way
let me caveat that too because people
say what is the right way you're away no
it's not my way it's not my way at all
but we have to respect the people that
are involved
we have to give them the flexibility and
latitude to take this in and start
making the right decisions and you want
to always make sure that your executive
branch and your legend legislative
branch are duly informed you don't want
one being informed and not the other
politics aside I want every Republican
Democrat independent you know Tea Party
don't I don't care the bottom line is
when you serve as a government servant
like I did it is our duty responsibility
to inform leadership and the executive
branch doesn't matter who's in charge
and in turn you also have to make sure
that the legislative branch is also
informed and you know what one being
more informed than the other does then
they get mad so it takes time it takes
time but now let's recap very quickly
the last year and four months okay just
very quickly humor me for one moment
the New York Times came out and
published a story that the program was
real it was real they said they spent 22
million dollars on three billions for
the first time in US government history
were released by the US government
through the actual review process on
objects that they still say to this day
they have no idea what they are and by
the way they were already analyzed so
please don't show me some sort of video
game that some food pulled off their PC
and say look that's IR flare it's not
even a real picture they're looking at a
video game okay give me real data we had
the best of the best from the
intelligence community looking at this
that briefed me and they said Lou we
haven't a clue this is some weird stuff
and by the way you will say that we even
had people from NTSB on camera analyze
it on camera
same thing bingo not a clue 50 years of
doing investigations for the NTSB I've
never seen anything like that in my
career for the record on camera
so I think it's important as we build a
compelling case that we can tell keeping
in mind that even the brief I'm giving
you today there are going to be people
maybe even in this audience but they're
gonna be people it just goes out that
are gonna scrutinize every single word I
say and they're waiting for me to mess
up one wrong word that violates my NDA
and I go to jail you won't see Luke for
a very long time so I have to be careful
I will not violate my NDA not because
I'm afraid of jail just because I'm a
patriot I want to tell you I love my
country so I'm not gonna violate but I
am gonna try to have a conversation in a
way that gets everybody involved and
that information comes to in the right
way because it shouldn't be coming from
the way settings on though shouldn't be
coming world according to Lou and this
is this is everything just but it should
be coming through the government
channels the right channels because
ultimately that's why I really left the
Department of Defense I wanted to fix it
I didn't want to ruin it these are good
people most of those people that are my
friends or foxhole ones in combat with
they're good they're loyal they're
Patriots yeah there's dysfunction in the
government I got it we all know they're
in bits there but there's also a lot of
goodness and so I wanted to compel those
in leadership positions to fix the
system it's not any one individuals
fault now are there little cobol's in
there that made my life very difficult
yeah absolutely their work and that's
another conversation but they were not
they did not represent the government
writ large and I think it's important
that I make that distinction and I want
the government to work to our benefit
now I'm a private citizen before I was a
serving other people now the government
serves me and I want to make sure work
I want to make sure it's fixed and so
that's what we're doing so that's really
what my what my effort has been the last
year it happened so if we've been a
little bit radio silence I apologize for
that
it's not intentional but there's a lot
of things going on behind the scenes
just because you don't see what's on top
of the water there's a whole lot going
on underneath so I asked for a little
bit of patience and understanding what
you've open very patient and
understanding I think good things are
coming I think good things are coming
this wedding you have a good meal is
scary for some people and maybe this is
a conversation that that is not only
involving scientists like you and the
curious but also maybe religious
scholars and philosophers and government
people and academics right why not bring
them into the mix because at the end of
the day I don't care if your doctor
you're a lawyer you're a cop you're a
fireman you're a schoolteacher you're a
student this phenomenon affects every
single one of us equally and how we
interpret this information they differ
depending where you come from and one of
your few one is a lovely review on is in
life but at the end of the day we're all
affected equally so we should probably
all have a conversation together in my
opinion anyways so with that said let me
go here and before we go to questions
real quick I would like to just point
out one last thing I was a government
bureaucrat I did some stuff before in
the intelligence community I spent some
time in some really bad situations
overseas but when I came to this program
I didn't ask to it it was someone asked
me because of my background in
counterintelligence to take the job and
so I did it this is not something that I
went just now but I want to do it when
they came to me and they finally had a
serious conversation he asked me said
Lou I want to know what do you think
about UFOs it's all dumb I don't don't
think about it no no I don't care I
don't got time to page them just I'm
worried about the enemy tell me where
the enemy isn't and so that's probably
why I was brought on in the beginning
and then later the
the director who preceded me
unfortunately was run out of the US
government because of this very caustic
portfolio a lot of stigma and so people
like Hal and others who we had to rely
upon after that director and I took it
over they're really the they're the real
heroes of this internet I was just kind
of the guy that could kind of keep
everybody protected and keep it running
but at the end of the day they were the
ones doing the hard work so if there's
anybody to thank in this scenario
there's a handful of people that my
former director I I can't say his name
because I promised I would never he has
to make that decision if he wants to
come out but he's certainly one of those
heroes how could office certainly one of
those heroes another guy that kid green
is one of those heroes another guy that
I can't mention his name is one of those
heroes because he's still fighting the
fight in Washington right now today to
David this moment running parts of this
program so that's encouraging it's alive
and well now is it called a tip I don't
know I'd probably change the name
frankly but other than that it's the
same thing it's say it's exactly the
same thing you can call it a Lincoln or
a Ford it's made the same plan at the
same car different bench
so anyways with that what I'd like to do
if it's okay turn it over to some
questions cuz I know you can probably
have more specific questions and I can't
it just being with those or so I'm gonna
shut up and see if anything has any any
questions
so have a seat sir
oh my god I'm getting a lot of questions
so okay let's just go right through this
I have the questions for him and let
this poor gentleman sit down he's he's
he he has just been through the middle
in terms of flights and everything else
so I've been looking at a lot of these
questions never carry some of them are
very excellent oh yeah we tell you and
they're keep coming in and this one's a
book so so how do you explain sir that
senior journalists have not followed up
on the information released to the New
York Times I think it's the same reason
why scientists haven't stigma it's a
career killer now it's changing but I
think it was curriculum and I think
people like Alejandro Rojas can tell you
firsthand some of the challenges he had
to endure I will tell you I know from
personal experience using very very
respectable investigative journalists it
just so happens that what he's
interested in
happens to be Aero phenomena and for
that reason people will look at it as oh
no I'll stand up that's a pair of money
can you can you push me in the back
Laur okay how about that all right I
don't want to blast the eardrums here in
the front but there you
so did you hear the question initially
why why certain journalists aren't
taking this maybe more seriously or not
reporting it okay so my answer to that
question is the same reason why
scientists haven't followed up with this
because of the social stigma that is
usually associated with this this
portfolio of this phenomena and I used
the example of mr. Alejandro Rojas here
who I have had the privilege to actually
talk with and I can tell you as a matter
of fact he is a true-blue investigative
reporter he's very very good at what he
does but because he decides to focus his
efforts on this phenomena obviously
there's a lot of sting with involved
with that so that is a question I think
that probably who could answer that
better than me more qualified would be
someone like him but I might guess is
because of the stigma it's a career
killer the moment someone starts
reporting on on you a page all of a
sudden you think of tinfoil hat and
little read people and Elvis on the
mothership and that that that's a career
killer right even if you want to pursue
it from a scientific perspective there's
a mountain of stigma so part of
defeating that stigma is first getting
the government which had already dipped
to acknowledge yeah you know what we're
looking at these things and by the way
we don't want to admit either because
there's a stigma yeah so it's it's
totally understandable
they're trying to see if the cake get
louder alright can you hear me back to
the back ok so it's about my illustrious
voice versus yeah try that maybe I ll
see ya ok when we have known about a tip
without you
are you a whistleblower no a
whistleblower is somebody who looks at
malfeasance from the government and then
comes out and wants protection I'm not
looking for protection and in see any
malfeasance I simply saw a problem
systematically with the government
involving silos that needed to be broken
down
I am NOT a leaker nor am i a
whistleblower leakers are somebody who
provides classified information in an
unauthorized manner and a leak and a
whistleblower somebody like I said who
is trying to point out malfeasance
that's not me none of those I'm just
just a government guy who wanted to have
a conversation and got very very
frustrated because I I couldn't afford
my chain of command and it was purely
because of stigma that's it how do you
have four reports did you receive from
the military in a year which year
[Laughter]
okay so which group has been most
skeptical of TTS a government science or
UFO enthusiast yes all of them since a
tip was sanctioned to collect info on
aerial threats why wouldn't they have
the radar data from the 2004 event I
didn't know we didn't scuttlebutt
reports say that many different species
visit here mostly friendly or
indifferent does this suggest we are in
a neutral zone in interstellar space or
unclaimed space I am absolutely not
qualified to answer that I have no idea
I would be completely disingenuous of me
to tell you what I think because frankly
I don't have enough data so I respect a
question I think it's a great question
but that's a question I think that we
need to have philosophers and
theologians and the general public have
I'm not qualified respectfully I'm not
I'm not qualified to answer that
question where did a tip fit into the
DIA reporting structure and how much
time did a to spend on UFOs a tip itself
spent its entire time on UFOs but it
wasn't always at DIA
it was later moved up to OSD so dia in
the early days was very much in a rural
part of a tip and the results were
reported up to chain of command to the
highest levels by the way we'll see you
but at the highest levels but then later
it was determined that the organ the
organization called a tip and the effort
would be able to do more at the office
of a secretary defense level and so it
was actually taken out of it dia and I'm
not sure
fact has come out yet but that's that's
what happened in your personal
experience in the threat assessment
program has there been any evidence that
that could be assessed as a threat by
the Phenom so let's for just a moment to
find threat if you go to an airport and
you stand too close to a jet engine
you're probably gonna go deaf very loud
so as a result you can't get too close
to the jet engines that's a threat it's
a threat to your hearing there's a
threat to your safety right if you if
you go and you put your head in a
microwave I think you're gonna have it
right I mean probably not a very smart
thing to do there's a biological threat
there whether it's intentional or not I
think is is the question maybe you'd be
asked you might be asking because we
tend to ascribe threats as intentional
threats someone who's out to try to harm
you on purpose we're in we were looking
at this not necessarily from an
intentional threat but any kind of
threat environmental threat biological
threat you know if you have a pilot that
is getting has getting a barrel rolls
over him with a UAV and all of a sudden
now there's associated hearing loss is
that a threat even if it's not
intentional or if somebody says look I
came close to one of these things and
all of a sudden when they come back and
you see them they look like they've got
radiation burn is that a threat well
sure this amenable threat so I'm careful
not to say something it's definitively a
threat because I think we need to define
first what a threat needs because
threatening something different to
different people and whether you talk to
a doctor you talk to a police officer
you know threats come in all different
shapes and sizes
do you believe that there is a
government agency not a tip that has
real-time access to military UFO reports
we've already had Blue Book doing that
okay but now now I mean I I think I
explained to the audience that the
effort is alive and well
between Alliance how do you do
scientific analysis on something
inherently not reproducible like UFOs
how do you do scientific analysis of
something that's inherently not
reproducible like Joe Carson meaning I
think that more like you know the UFO
event happens in the sky and then it
doesn't happen to get into the same
space you know I mean that type of thing
sometimes there are patterns and I'll
leave it at that so so to say that
they're not repeatable I not sure I
subscribe to that but let's just say
they're not reasonable for argument's
sake I'll suspend I think let's just say
they're not repeatable well let's go
back to the analogy I said before about
the giant squid in the Pacific right
that's not a repeatable thing these
things are very elusive they very very
deep in the ocean and to actually
capture one on camera was almost
impossible until we did it and then we
start to understanding its of migration
patterns we started understanding its
feeding patterns we start understanding
its mating patterns and then we can
start drawing patterns that weren't
there before so you ap is no different
we have to collect the data and then
once you have the day
begins to speak for itself then you can
serpentine patterns together and that's
exactly what ancient was doing we were
putting the patterns together and we
were using that under the construct of
the five observables to do it is all of
this disclosure confirmation happening
now because the u.s. is behind and are
our adversaries in developing this
technology that is a great question I
can't answer on behalf of the US
government what I can what I can say is
that if we are aware of another nation
who is looking into this and let's look
at the 1970s as an example when when
help it off dr. Halperin we'd off had
was was working the remote viewing
program for several of our members in
the intelligence community we knew that
the Russians were doing you to speak up
more okay still folks in the back can
you hear me now okay so the question was
regarding UAP specifically and if any
foreign adversaries may be looking at
these things my response to that is no
different than in the 1970s during the
remote viewing program that how a boot
off my colleague here was running we
knew definitively that the Russians
weren't looking at this too so as a
result we need to look at it because
what may be pseudoscience today could be
a breakthrough advantage tomorrow and so
looking at you ApS sure yeah there's
other countries that are just show you a
slide there that show you countries that
are interested so it shouldn't be a
surprise to anybody that the United
States would want to keep a strategic
edge over its its potential adversaries
and especially especially look if one if
one of those observables was mastered by
a foreign country whether it was
hypersonic velocity you we hear now
about the new hypersonic cruise missile
that butis
Yeah right and it's got everybody
terrified well that's just one of those
observables imagine a craft that can do
all five of those think how terrifying
that would be right so yeah it's
incumbent upon us to make sure that we
avoid strategic surprise by our
potential adversaries so not sure if
that answered the question for you but I
think it's safe to assume that you know
there's adversaries doing the same thing
that the eighth tip program and all look
at any of the extra like the the
abduction phenomena or does it have any
knowledge or evidence of
extraterrestrial beings in physical form
I'm not qualified to answer that I think
you would be best after this or
sometimes as we can talking to my
colleague how not to 300 buzz but he's
far better and answering that question
than I am
have you or T TSA found any exploitable
technologies or theoretical concepts
from you AP data that are exploiter
exploitable and if so how public will
the speed yeah absolutely we did and I
think it's already in some cases already
going public let's look at the warping
of space-time so this is something that
people kinda get excited about really
don't understand what what that means
when we talk about warping space-time
what we're talking about is there's
there's there's two fundamental ways in
which mankind is aware that you can work
space-time and that is with a lot of
mass or matter like Earth or the Sun or
anything other celestial body that warp
space-time or a heck of a lot of energy
because as we know energy and matter are
really inextricably entwined it's almost
like Steam compared to I
they look you feel fundamentally
different but they're really kind of the
same thing so when you when you hear
that the CERN and the Large Hadron
Collider is now at the point energy
levels where we are creating micro black
holes and of course everybody gets
scared that they're going to suck the
earth in that's not gonna happen
all they're simply saying is that we're
approaching the energy levels now we're
real warping space-time in the
laboratory and we're doing it with
energy that's all they're saying and so
what we've already accomplished that we
have already crossed that bridge weight
is not a matter of theoretical
possibility to rework space-time we're
doing it right now
so the question is now become it becomes
a technological question when does a
technology and the science catch up so
we can scale it to a usable size that
now we can actually take advantage of
but yes a lot of those studies at UC are
real studies the drakes equation now
that people are aware of I mean that was
a very real study and the math is real
warp drive
that's not pseudoscience that what you
see in those papers are now being
substantiated at the certain that Large
Hadron Collider those very same
principles we talked about quantum
entanglement we talked about
teleportation these things that we
thought were or science fiction but now
doing it on an auto routine basis in
fact the Air Force has done some of this
stuff and with DARPA so so so yeah I
mean I guess to answer your question
succinctly absolutely do you see the UAP
issue as being potentially politically
unifying meaning the Dems and
Republicans working together on this
issue it has already demonstrated to be
a bipartisan issue in the past we know
that between anyway Stevens Reed and and
John Glenn and there was others as well
and now we've seen in this last request
from from the late senator from
ona john mccain that there were
Democrats on that that request that for
your request that went up to wasn't
really a FOIA request is just request I
went up to dia that was bipartisan so so
now you're seeing it you're seeing an
action it's it's it's it's in it's in
writing so I think that's also very good
because it shows that that Washington
can cooperate with itself when it needs
to
during the Nimitz encounter period NASA
was testing the x-43a HyperX in the same
theater of operation do you know of any
NASA confirmation of any anomalous
activity in the air that they monitor
that's one thing that we address is very
very diligently and you know you'll see
that they're all being that in the
coming weeks coming months there was a
test hypersonic test but you have to
understand how those tests work and they
use a Pegasus rocket and basically it's
a very linear trajectory and there's a
specific Apogee which I can't go into
but but there's a very specific
signature and and there's no way to
confuse a testing of a hypersonic
scaled-down rocket using scramjet with
what we're saying hypersonic cruise
missiles don't do barrel rolls
they don't hover they don't do a lot of
the things that we're seeing so we know
it wasn't a hypersonic cruise missile
NASA knows it wasn't to because we know
where they shot at we know they floated
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given that scientists are analyzing the
materials that elements composition of a
space material like things like stars
planets nebulae and more what is being
done to analyze the material composition
of a ap and might the same tools to be
used identifies substance materials
again great question and I'm going to
give that
that is definitely a he'll question
has anyone ever received a measurable
dose of radiation from exposure to an
aap you heard him just saying I can't
say it but the answer from hell was yes
well we ever hear anything from TTS
a-about the squares inside of a spear
Navy's that David freighter spoke up yep
you're doing very well with this by the
way how much how much of the keep it
quiet be a hold over from the panic
created by the 1938 radio broadcast by
Orson Welles that we've been invaded
fundamentally is it not a matter of who
controls the information if you control
the information you effectively control
the people great question that's why I
think we need to engage our academics
our political leaders our philosophers
are our theologians because this
conversation involves them as well those
are the ones that have to figure out
what type of impact this has to society
but but let's look at history as as a
brief measure let's just go back even a
year ago there was some fear by a lot of
people that if you acknowledge this and
all of a sudden religions would go crazy
and meltdown and government don't go
haywire and but all Society would just
kind of kind of go into mass pandemonium
well that didn't happen did it
you just had the New York Times run an
article you had the new
the Pentagon admit that the program was
real even release videos and no religion
to fellow
no governments crumbled so I have a
little bit more faith in mankind I don't
think that we're as fragile as some
people think I mean we we trust the
American people with the knowledge that
that there could be an Ebola outbreak at
any time or that there could be a super
flu or that there is a rogue nation that
is trying to to build nuclear
capabilities against against our
interests so I have faith in the
American people that they're they're
probably okay to handle handle the truth
that's my perspective releasing some
information promising to release more
and frustrating people when nothing
significant happens for months can be a
counterproductive
why does t TSA follow that pattern well
what I would say is remember the analogy
I use about the wave tops there's a
whole lot going below the surface and
well we don't want to do is jeopardize
those efforts just to satisfy idle
curiosity no no no disrespect intended I
understand people are very passionate
about this
but we do not want to prematurely go
down that path and wind up cutting the
very avenues that we have worked so hard
to establish to push this over the
finish line this is not a sprint folks
this is a marathon this is this is not
the this is not the beginning of the end
this is not even the end of the
beginning
this is this is going to be a long haul
and this is going to take patience a lot
of patience and the last thing you want
to do is just rush through this and kind
of say I don't so that's not what this
is about we only have one chance to do
this the right way and we've got a lot
of chances to do it the wrong way so
we're trying our approach is to try to
be very deliberate about this we
understand people are hungry for
information that's why you have people
like Hal and I coming out here to do
these conferences we want to give you
the information with one
by that itch that you have but at the
same time you tend we don't want to
jeopardize the things that we have going
on right now that I promise you in the
end will be worth it you're going to
look back and say oh man right that
makes sense I can see what I mean well
you couldn't have that conversation
right then so I do understand it's
frustrating and I know it comes across a
disingenuous all I can say is have a
little patience I mean look what you've
done in the last last year I mean if any
other personal organization even then
one of those things they'd be hailed as
all those guys are great but you know I
feel like we can't catch a break
I mean you've got to have the cover
eight admitting that the program was
real and you have Congress admitting
that they established it and that there
was money to it and that there were
results and that that were finding and
there were studies and there were videos
and by the way the car still running so
I mean it's like saying hey well and I
wouldn't know anything the CIA knows
well you're not going to know all that
because some of that stuff is still
going on so if it's going on you're not
going to know now those of you who work
here in the Redstone Arsenal can
appreciate that you know you're not
going to jeopardize ongoing mission just
to satisfy curiosity I know it's
frustrating but that is the environment
we're in and we have to respect that so
when you're going to continue to see are
these bits of information coming out
that allow you to put the puzzle
together and allow everybody else to
understand what's going on
again it's not our job to just come out
and be full disclosure people tell me
all the time that you don't meet demand
the truth we know we deserve the truth
why I don't doubt that but ain't no
offense but I don't work for you you
know I'm trying to I'm trying to do
something here that's that's for the
collective good and and if I had to go
out and and address each and every
single time somebody wanted to know
something we wouldn't be where we are
today so so I
I understand it I respect it we have we
mentioned anything about that coming out
in me I don't I didn't mention actually
so just to let you know there's a show
that's going to be coming on the History
Channel about the phenomenons I think
it's called the but the phenomena rate
the unidentified yes the unidentified is
in a book on the History Channel and I
think this gentleman and a lot of the
you know probably howls in it and
variety of other people are in it and
it's gonna be experiencing show we're
looking for were doing it think it it's
like a six-part show or something
it's a docu-series and so what you're
gonna which you can expect is a six-part
aki series by investigative journalists
who are with us and we have on camera
some really remarkable stuff and i think
you're gonna you're going to look back
and say wow I didn't know that
and hopefully that that point you'll
begin to understand why why you know we
it's been a little bit of a slow dribble
lately it's important that we help you
frame the conversation in a way that is
universally understood I can't just we
can't just paint a message that only
scientists will understand or only
Millennials will understand or only you
know service sector it's got to be
universally applicable so everybody has
a chance to to absorb the information
and process the information then make
the determination for themselves what it
means to them it's not we're not going
to tell you what to think about it you
need to do that job you need to think
about what this information is gonna
mean to you and we have a lot of
exclusive stuff I mean it's I think it's
gonna gonna be changing the conversation
whether it's this is of damage done by
UFOs or a a piece that you're aware of
and and then also has there been any
damage to countries or any threats of
the national security simply yes but
that narrative is still being
constructed so so you can actually see
yourself so patience I don't think it's
gonna be other thing we're gonna you
know go crazy about it we'll get exact
that's not that's not we're talking
about but I think there's been some very
interesting provocations and I think
those provocations will be something
that we will explore as the government
program builds software to find patterns
and be able to predict sightings
predictive behavior and capabilities
yeah so the gist of it let me share
something I work at the base over here
right now it's a great question
and one of the challenges that we've had
all along and ufology is being able to
predict after you get through the all
the UFO reports right realizing that you
could explain probably like you know 90%
of them rings then you get down to the
residual 10% where you can't really do
it and then how many of those things are
classified projects you know flights
that you don't even know about right so
some of those might fall off so you're
not talking about 5% what I'm trying to
tell you is that UFO sightings that are
typically like the unknowns are
extremely rare and if I may add real
quick look if you have analytic data
that allows you to identify unidentified
aerial vehicle in your airspace that's
the same type of technology you can use
to identify a foreign adversarial
aircraft or one of your own
mental aircraft right so this applies
more than to just you AP so I'm not
being cagey with you on purpose or
trying to be cute I'm just letting you
know that there's things that I'm not at
liberty to discuss because they apply to
more than just one thing and so because
of that for certain reasons I I'm not a
little bitty to have a conversation
about that so just so you understand my
my perspective I'm not trying to be
cagey as a tip a partner in any way with
solar warden not to my knowledge I've
never heard of that company probably my
ignorance but conspiracy thing about
here's a little break of a code question
what can people do to support the
efforts of TTS a
be patient that's what you can do be
patient
try to be a little more understanding I
know it's I know it's tough but we are
working very very hard to bring this
forward and it's not easy and this is
not a get-rich-quick get-rich-quick
scheme most of us have suffered severe
financial duress doing this you you
leave a lucrative government job you're
at the top of your game you're parking
in the same parking lot that the
secretary defense bar said you've got
401ks you've got pensions you've got
retirement you've got life insurance
you've got health insurance you leave
that all behind to do this so be patient
please this is what I would ask and
check in from time to time for
approachable I mean talk to us talk to
he'll talk to me
just call us write an email to do the
stars we enter them believe it not
there's people out there that will tell
you hey actually you know what I wrote a
blog and they responded we're not
Hollywood superstars were just deporting
them we're just trying to do the mission
that you all expect us to do that's all
I mean we're held accountable we have we
have investors and we have to protect
their investment as well so it's even if
I wanted to do what I wanted to do I
can't I have to make sure that what
we're doing is for the good for the
collective good of what our mission
statement says we are B corporation so
if for a public benefit but at the same
time we also have investors so and I'm
not a business guy so I can't really
talk much about that I just know that we
have that sometimes we walk a bit of a
tightrope so please be patient at a
gathering in Italy last year you
acknowledge briefly a pattern of UFO
interest in nuclear weapons sites the
research of Robert Hastings has shown
that this association is persistent for
70 years he's done a great job with
information some think the UFO interest
in nukes is protective of the human race
but this could be wishful thinking why
do you think UFOs show a persistent
interest
in nooks and did it ever get looking
heavy event I have a personal position
on it but I am loath to provide my
personal position because at the end of
the day as a flow people before I can be
absolutely sure of something and I can
still be absolutely wrong so I'd rather
let the facts and data speak for
themselves
yes there's some synergies there there's
some currencies absolutely we do know
for a fact that there is some interest
strategic interests in our nuclear
capabilities I'll be it whether it's a
nuclear energy nuclear weapons
development nuclear develop the delivery
capabilities but that's about all I can
say because we get it really if I didn't
have a security clearance I could
probably talk a lot more about this but
I can't I can't even speculate because
the if you will the crown jewel to u.s.
defense is its nuclear capability and
then the US government is very very
protective of that information so and I
don't want to speculate I again if
you're really interested come talk to me
afterwards about I'll share with you my
my view but I'm gonna caveat now very
publicly that I could wrong and so just
take it with a grain of salt
I don't want anybody taking what I think
as being gospel and and and now thinking
okay this is the way it is because I'm
going to be I'm giving my opinion in an
unqualified situation considering the
world in the land of NASA what was or is
NASA's role in any study or
investigating of this phenomenon huge
NASA's role you know I look at this as
kind of a three pillar capability
forgive me this is the first time I
firstly spoke about this one of my
colleagues kind of feels this way too
you have SETI which is out there looking
for radio signals and looking for life
potentially intelligent life from from
well beyond the Milky Way then you have
NASA looking for microbial life right
here within our solar system then you
have T TSA looking at maybe the adoption
that it's already here and it's here now
and it's impacting our national security
equities so I think we need to work
together collectively I don't think this
is a either/or situation I think I think
we have to work together nASA has the
capabilities and resources to look at
this from their perspective justice SETI
has their mission just as we have ours
so I'm not sure if that answers a
question but I think I think NASA's role
is it is huge did you at any time find
any kind of indications that that we
have a very strong relationship that
exists between the UFO phenomena and
oceans the planet is definitely
surrounded by three-quarters water in
fact my question why we call it earth
that might be better
named water okay so that being said are
we talking about a phenomena that has a
relationship to the oceans especially
like when you consider those Nimitz
cases and stuff like that right that's a
very fair question and I think that
would be a very safe assumption yeah I
mean and outlook the Navy has a global
president so everybody knows about the
about the Nimitz incident and will soon
learn about some other ones so it could
just be a fact that they are everywhere
everybody else isn't but we believe that
there is there is some some yeah that's
a relationship of water now what does
that mean is it because there's you know
their hunger there under the under the
ocean or is it good because maybe
there's the hydrogen is being mined as a
fuel source or I mean you could run wild
with speculation right so this is again
why we need more data I could sit here
and tell you all the theories that that
some of the folks in a tip have had but
that's not going to do any good at the
end of the day we really we just need
more data and we we need the data in
order to help paint that picture and
then maybe we can start making some some
some assessment as to why this affinity
to to h2o we talked a little bit about
this at the table this evening but was
the Vatican or the Catholic Church ever
involved in a tip in any way please
explain this is this consistent with the
work of dr. Diane basalt I can't speak
on behalf of the Vatican and that's a
question that you'd have to ask the
Vatican right so I was like a kid when
it says hey mom can I can I go to the
mall well you need to ask your father
right I don't want to say yes or no I'd
rather if you're asking me a question
that involves a third party you need to
first ask that third party out of
respect for them I don't want to answer
in any way shape or form I don't have
that authority and I don't want to
assume to have that authority I think
it's safe to say that they have an
interest and they should I think all
churches should I think that any any
religion should because it's applies to
them just as much as it does to you and
me so
what was the role of the u.s. Navy
and/or the NRO
in the 8th did a tip ever investigating
abductions and can you explain were
there any patterns between abductees
like Rh negative blood consciousness and
cetera can I buy a vowel
that's a health question all right for
mr. Elizondo okay where the following
people read on to the a tip like mr.
Brennan general copper general mattis
general Kelly general Flynn or general
Ashley I absolutely cannot answer the
question
through the a tip MUFON star teams or
Bigelow Aerospace ever collect retrieve
or procure any biological evidence DNA
or genetic material if so can you
explain that is a question I had two
really good insightful questions that's
a question that I would leave to do an
individual who I who I've always looked
up to mister Bob Bigelow tantor you're
asking about what he did for his company
under Bigelow you didn't say a - he said
Bigelow so I have to defer to mr. Robert
Bigelow to change of those questions
which installations did the a tip reside
at I'm not asking for any cloud of
classified specifics
it was a Confederated effort it was over
several locations I can't say
specifically where but it was throughout
the National Capital Region and and
beyond this is a pertinent to a lot of
people that after the announcement about
you came out everybody was going to
crazy ly FOIA requests as you were very
well imagine which military service
agency within the IC would be the best
focal point for FOIA requests related to
the phenomena a tip and/or this
technology if I was a betting man I
would I would probably stick to knocking
on the doors of DIA they have already
admitted that they after some time that
they
actually we're running part of the
program I keep knocking on those doors
in reference to this is for me a
previous presentation it says in
reference to the group of a US
government leaders who felt the
phenomena was demonic with this some
same group being known under the moniker
of Collins elite I am not gonna sign
labels they were absolutely a core group
of individuals that were adamantly
against what we're doing not because the
empirical data wasn't there but because
it was philosophically in contradiction
to to their their philosophical belief
system I reasoned that I don't agree
with it but I respect it and one of
these individuals it was actually a very
close colleague and mentor of mine so so
imagine that imagine having somebody who
you look up to so for so long and who's
a very senior person in the intelligence
community
telling you not to pursue this because
it went against is ideological belief
system
to your knowledge has anyone ever
estimated the number of anomalous craft
present on earth at any given time is it
tens hundreds or thousands and that is a
great question I honestly have no idea
but I just something that that if it's
ok whoever asked that question I'd like
to add it to my requisite that's that
would be a phenomenally fascinating
point of research so if it's ok whoever
wrote that thank you I'm gonna steal it
and I'm gonna start to see if we can
find out you guys write great questions
by the way these are very very intent
okay and I just want to applaud this
gentleman next to me because he is
trying to carefully tell it's a sweat
dance up here can you explain how the
DoD space fence is related to the study
or surveillance of this phenomena ok so
so let's look it this way if you're
looking at signatures of an incoming
ICBM missile and that signature is
coming in from orbit at tens of
thousands of miles an hour or they'll
say and it's very small
and you can do certain things and server
ability hypersonic velocities right
already we got two of those observables
there then maybe some of those same
capabilities can be leveraged to look at
the UAP right so what you want to use
some of those same assets and
capabilities that you do to identify
more conventional type threats if you
can dual use it to serve the purpose of
also looking at UAVs and then if you can
go ahead and and and and overlay it in a
way where you're using you know high
orbit mid orbit low orbit atmospheric
altogether right
and you stitch that together now you
have a really good common operating
picture of of the batteries so yeah I
can't answer that question specifically
but I can tell you from a common sense
perspective yeah of course that makes
sense yeah you want to leverage the hell
out of those things which services
and/or agencies do not want disclosure
confirmation or would not support it in
your opinion all of them I am sure they
want me to go away you do not see the
man behind that curtain over there or in
that SUV other the the accelerations of
these crafts are on the order of one
thousands of G's what information or
data exists to indicate how these crafts
work and what is known about how they
work follow-up oh why does it often
assumed that they are warping space with
the like allegory to drive or what
evidence is there for this we have no
theory of quantum gravity could quantum
gravity be more relevant so let's start
with an instantaneous acceleration yes
there are there are scientific models
and how can give you better explanation
of it but if you reduce the mass of
something you reduce the inertial forces
okay that's that simple that's that's
that's physics you fit so if you have
the technology to reduce the mass of
something then you have the ability to
maneuver in ways that conventional
technology currently doesn't have that
ability to
do but furthermore if you can warp
space-time all sorts of interesting
things can happen but let me let me put
this out there warping space-time is is
you know forgive the pun is relative
it's not really relative
let's say hypothetically anywhere we're
all sitting on the surface of this earth
right now we're all affected by gravity
equally but what if you had some special
material that under certain
circumstances created a field around you
and that field actually insulated
yourself from the natural effects of
Earth's gravity now two things would
have it people talk about the first
observable which is oh well all of a
sudden how you float the sky you don't
you don't need an engine but something
else happens because remember what makes
things set space and time are together
so if you insulate yourself from the
effects of Earth's gravity by definition
you have to insulate yourself from all
the effects of Earth's gravity include
time and remember folks time goes by
differently for us here on this planet
than it does even for some of our gps
satellites up there because they're
there they're fundamentally further away
from the mass of Earth so the cesium
atomic clocks go by at a different rate
time is relative so if you were to have
the ability to insulate yourself
conclude yourself from the effects of
Earth's gravity well time itself ago by
tearing wouldn't it and all sorts of
things would happen and if you had this
let's say bubble or this event horizon
was around this glass here well it would
appear to be kind of weird-looking to it
made kind of like this weird low
observable thing and also it would have
this ability to travel at speeds that
would just not be possible for us and
would also be able to maneuver in ways
that would seem
magic instantaneous acceleration when in
reality if you were inside that bubble
would be a walk in the park we would all
be going in slow motion but but to us
this thing is maneuvering in ways that
seem like magic and well positive lives
will of gravity's not pulling you down
now you don't have to worry about
actually having some sort of engine
source because gravity doesn't exist for
you and so all sorts of things become
possible so so maybe instead of there
being the five exotic technologies to
explain the five different observables
maybe all what we're seeing all those
observables are really a manifestation
of a single technology and the ability
to insulate yourself from whatever
gravitational forces is in the
environment so something to think about
why don't we put together the brightest
minds from every University or lab in
the country or even the world especially
since physicists and engineers are to
recover any capture to advanced
technology healing or otherwise whatever
the source why are we listing all that
wonderful brain matter I thought that's
what this was no no but you guys do
that's exactly what we need to do that's
what we're trying to do takes time you
got to break down stigmas
you got to have conversations like this
with rational minded people and then
they have to converse have to have
conversations with other rational minded
people and convince scientists that it's
okay to have a conversation about things
that we don't quite yet understand but
that takes time you have to have yet to
convince investigative reporters like
mr. Alejandro Rojas was willing to go
out on a limb and cover this kind of
stuff but he does it because he believes
what he's feeling so we need more people
like that there's a couple other people
here in the audience that I recognize
too that have put their credibility on
the line to to pursue this that's
what I mean so the conversations began
last year and is is continuing to move
forward you have momentum that like
you've never had before you have kept
congress listening you have the
administration listening and they're not
turning their backs and not giggling
they're not laughing they're taking this
with a dead seriousness so I don't know
how much more profound accomplishment
you want you did it now let's not screw
it up we have to got this far because
people know we're serious and we're not
into the into the into the world of
trying to play gotcha or i-told-you-so
or anything like that we're trying to
push the conversation forward where it
belongs
so humanity can try to finally figure
out what this all needs um this is a
code interesting question sister for
alleged abduction cases especially for
individuals claiming repeated
visitations why are we doing the best to
be able to clip their bedrooms with
cameras they're young and bodies with
subcutaneous GPS chips in order to
record scientific evidence to point at
something other how many of you wear a
Fitbit
okay just let point out to you that the
interesting thing that this is actually
recording my heart rate the fact that
I'm sleeping all night long recording
every minute and and you know it's got
the whole thing talking about the number
steps that I take would be interesting
experiment to be able to take this and
put this on people who are claiming
abductions to actually have this
remotely the data gathered or something
like that and looking at that these
these are kinds of things that you know
that we can approach it in a different
way if we have those findings and look
for data we don't know what the effects
of this would be on those individuals
but again it gives you some sort of
metrics to be able to understand what
they might be going through so I just
want to share that with you that's a
really good question I think what's
important to know that you know
I was a creature of the intelligence
community and and I always I always
preferred the shadows this is this whole
spotlight thing is new to me and it they
don't particularly like it man it's very
uncomfortable but intelligence which is
where a tip was it fell under follow
certain rules and what a lot of people
don't realize especially the Department
of Defense and the intelligence
community we have something called
intelligence oversight and anytime you
deal with Joe public there are very
specific procedures and circumstances
that either allow us or don't allow us
prohibit us from dealing with the public
and when you talk about actually medical
stuff we start getting into the world
what we call human experimentation that
is what they call the procedure 13in do
you need to write 250 200 series a 250
240 if I'm not mistaken and so it's to
that or that one and so we have to be
very careful because in the past the
government and the military was was
unfortunately at times guilty of doing
things on human beings that probably
shouldn't have and that goes back even
to World War two and we were doing the
atomic testing so that procedure 13 is a
very serious violation for me to go out
and and and do anything regarding
biological as an intelligence officer of
the United States government another
human being would very very quickly
raise eyebrows it and and very likely
lay me in jail
when you say that we will learn more
about the limits and other cases do you
mean that this is going to be on that
History Channel program I didn't what
better way to get the conversation going
than let everybody see it themselves
right one thing for me do you sit here
in a suit and tell you something another
thing is for you to sit there and
actually watch and talk to the people
who are there
so yes that's our hope that you will in
May begin to appreciate why we've been
quiet for the last 7 months I don't want
to speak specifically about certain
things but hopefully you can be the
judge of that yourself these are two
kind of related questions related to
relative to the skinwalker ranch do you
know what I think about the relationship
between UFOs and the paranormal at the
skinwalker ranch I find extremely
puzzling and then the other one was like
what is your position on the kind of
phenomena witness at skinwalker ranch
and is it related to UFOs or some kind
of otherworldly entities I'm going to
speak to you from Lou right now this is
my it might be by deliberately not going
to address this from an ancient
perspective I think we live in a really
big universe most people realize now
that that there are several hundred
billion stars in our galaxy and there
are several hundred billion stars in the
observable universe in the last time we
looked at the assessment was that there
were more stars in the observable
universe and there are grains of sand in
the all the beaches in the entire world
okay that is a phenomenally almost
impossibly large number to wrap your
head around and in fact if I look to my
left and I go thirteen point five
billion no thirteen point five billion
light years in that direction and I
looked at my right and go thirteen point
five billion light years in that
direction that's a distance of 37
billion light years in between and
that's just what we can see so there's a
lot of stuff out there that we don't
wouldn't understand half of what's in
our ocean or even in our neighborhood
right how many of you know who your kids
is next to and
hmm now Betty right so there's a lot
that we don't know so for us to
speculate that there that everything we
see is that's it
I think I think is is short-sighted I
think when you look at the
electromagnetic spectrum I'm literally
right now there's a very small sliver
well that we call a visible light okay
very small sliver but we know there's
infrared ultraviolet x-ray everything
from all the way to gamma radiation
cosmic radiation all the way down the
microwave and all everything down below
and we look at the universe that way how
many times do we look through a Hubble
telescope and the optical field when we
see nothing but black space with no Meah
but it's infrared bang the whole
universe like so right it was a visible
to our naked eye and yet it's very real
no fairy there we see quasars that way
that's how we see quasars from billions
of light-years away before this planet
was even here that light laugh death
quasar so first to assume that this is
it everything you see is that's it I
mean I would submit to you that if
that's the case then I do believe in
love yes yeah you can't hear it you
can't really even measure with your five
senses and yet most people this one
would most people this room would agree
that's real yeah we can't even explain
it so we can't explain that
who's to say these other things are real
you know there's cultures out there
Native American cultures that that
consider this very much a reality this
this alternate universe so to speak who
are we to say that they're wrong we're
not so so again I think we need a lot
more data and those people who are
pioneering and
and and visionary enough to explore that
I salute them why wouldn't you want to
explore that why not well you don't
because of state law and that's what we
need to overcome because statement at
the end of the day will paralyze
everybody from everything you will never
move forward Batman would never have
gotten on the moon
right there because by the way the
picture below that that I was referring
to about that dusty road with a bunch of
Maltese on it the scientists just 45
years before that picture of the male on
the moon was taken they were actual
serious scientists who believe that moon
was made out of cheese cheese I'm not
kidding you now we laughing we think
that's ridiculous now but that's that
was real old there was a time when the
Patent Office said we're gonna close
down because in ten years everything
that needs to be available have been
invented how short-sighted right there
was a time where the Air Force was
absolutely sure that we would never be
able to break the sound barrier you got
a sign or five rocket out there that did
it just ten years after that so I think
we need to change our own paradigm a
little bit as human beings and what it
means to be a human being I have a lot
of related questions here like what's
going on in Antarctica somebody asked
about that what are your thoughts on
Antarctica Dulce it's very cold
yeah that's that's very true you have
everything from Richard Doty to a lot of
people ask you about Richard W who seems
to work you know he was working for OSI
as a government agency and helping to
play it in somebody's mind some fake
material like using kind of like a
strategy to be able to we would use the
military efforts within the country
where we're trying to influence
something more but I guess what I'm
pretty good at and what there
here is what are your thoughts about all
these things is there a secret space
program I don't know mr. Dooley so I'm
not gonna comment he's not relevant to
the discussion that my colleagues and I
have I respect people's opinions
hopefully they respect mine but I can't
comment on to about somebody that I've
never met and I deliberately choose not
to do that there's a lot of people out
there that do that with me and I don't
really appreciate it there's a lot of
people out there that assume I have some
sort of ulterior motive or that I'm
trying to do something underhanded and
they've never met me they've ever talked
to me so I'm gonna Alchemist politely
sidestep that question because I don't
know the individual as far as the secret
space forces oh he said I love such a
secret anymore I mean I think they kind
of made an announcement right they want
to make a space force as far as you know
a historical space force and this is
what I've heard about you know
discussions about going to different
planets there's a group of people these
like Richard Doty in Everett your daddy
but passagio and a whole variety of
people who have claimed that they were
been out there and they basically I
think they saw Obama when he was out
there too and there were blue people and
very something maybe that's that's what
they're talking about I know your
thought about the new space force we're
going to get maybe a denounce be put
under the Air Force I think is that's
what this is a whole different matter
and this is on that whole conspiracy
kind of thing that's going on not the
world do you play dancer thankfully
let's see who made the decision to
release the information in the Pentagon
was it a group committee decision or how
did that happen it was a group decision
that then went up to the
her final approval through the official
duty 1910 process and it was the Doppler
official tops for office that respond to
our turd for making that decision and
ultimately the decision was up to them
and they approved it is the government
consulting is the government consulting
a tip or anyone else on how to release
information without disrupting the
status quo in other words is the
government afraid people are going to
freak out I don't want to have I don't
want to answer anything involving right
now what the government may or may not
be asking us to do because I I think
would require the government to answer
part of that question and I certainly
don't want to speak on behalf of the
government
is there a connection to the current
phenomena and Operation Paperclip and if
you're with paperclip in the von Braun
to the to the razzle regards to eight no
historically I can't answer that I that
would be another how question in the era
of iPhones and YouTube including the
horrific videos of 9/11 for example why
do we not have more incontrovertible
incontrovertible evidence of a a PS and
us sees does the government intercept
and confiscate at all why don't we have
high-res photos from the general public
smart using smartphones so let's go back
to the great split it's real how many of
you have a really close picture of a
blue whale reaching that you took I mean
the money and yet we all know they're
real we know they're there right there
are pictures that have been taken about
blue whales giant squid and these are
the elusive creatures but most of Joe
public never really gets to see them
because they are elusive that's why they
for so long were their point of
conjecture so to say that pictures like
that don't exist they do exist
why hasn't Joe public taken any of those
well I'm not sure they haven't I don't
know I think there's a lot of stuff
that's coming out on social media on a
semi-regular basis I haven't been able
to do the research and analysis on it
but maybe we should I don't know
you mentioned these a a P you ApS have
the capabilities to hover for days when
was this observed and I and what was the
response
stay tuned yes that we have actual data
with the things making able to do that
from very reliable highly trained
sources and the data is there what was
done about it well you saw them image we
scrambled something out to go look at it
is the current political and social
landscape having a positive or negative
impact on research and disclosure
neither really I think people think this
is a political issue but I don't really
think it is I think most politicians
want to stay far away from it until they
have to be involved
probably a politically smart thing to do
I don't blame them necessarily but we're
past that and it's been my experience
before in my experience now that is
absolutely a bipartisan issue and no one
seems to be making this a political
issue think thankfully the individuals
that I have been fortunate enough to be
exposed to and in our level of the
higher levels of government every single
one of them has taken this stone-cold
serious and for me that's that's that's
encouraging I mean that means that our
government is tarnation's trying to work
it's listening and it's not scuffing and
and it's not one or two it's started off
with four or five became seven
nine and now you've got a lot of people
involved so that's great English given
how we have identified numerous
earth-like planets exoplanets nearby has
anyone ever attempted to track graphed
trajectories to exoplanets which we then
can point our telescopes and city
towards agent did not we were too
focused on the here and now it was more
as to what are these things doing in our
operational environments and are they a
threat to our military capabilities and
what are their capabilities that's that
was our focus why in your opinion has
the public lost interest in Cheddar in
general with the space race why have we
not been back to the moon for years your
conjecture on my part I think for the
last decade and a half we've been a
society that's been been already
distracted
we've been distracted with global issues
whether it be terrorism whether it be
Wars and conflict whether it be climate
change whether it be whatever issue - or
we've been dealing with
but these issues require a lot of money
and they are they don't they don't lend
themselves to being distracted by
outside things and so when you talk
about the UAB quote/unquote threat well
at the end of the day you have to
determine to yourself what's more of a
threat North Korea with nuclear
capabilities and Isis or UAVs and
there's only so much money so much
resources to go around so so until you
tell me a UAP has just blown up one of
my aircraft carriers you know what
that's not McCrory that's a minority and
so I understand if a military
perspective that makes sense I don't
necessarily agree with it I don't think
this is like a conversation about fine
wine that gets better
you leave a cork in it I think I think
we have the conversation now I think
yesterday but but I do understand from
from that corporate perspective why
maybe this is not why we haven't been to
another space race so to speak it's just
not a national priority but at the end
of the day if it's not a natural
priorities because you didn't make it a
national priority and yes I'm putting
them in your shoulders squarely because
you are the people you are the ones that
will let officials you are the ones that
set what the priority should be and so
if you're not doing it that somebody
else will do it for you so if you want
this to be a national priority then you
have to engage your elected officials
that's what they're there for and tell
them you want this to be recorded and
give them briefings to give them data
and then it becomes a national priority
and I'll go out on a limb here I think
it's becoming one again I think we're
getting there
convincing scientists that these crafts
are real is a paramount importance to
progress what information can be
disclosed what type of data that will
convince and enlist the scientific
community you know it's funny when you
when you talk to a scientist when you
when you get a couple of whiskey's in
him or her and have a serious
conversation and a lot of times oh
they'll tell you you know it's a funny
like my mom told me a story growing up
that that she saw a UFO you know when I
saw something once I was on a desert
road and you know I just can't explain
it so you know I I can do scientists or
people like everybody else I think they
are subject to peer pressure I think
they're subject to ridicule I think
they're subject to budgets
nobody wants to lose your funding nobody
wants to
we all got mortgage to pay so so I get
it and so unfortunately a lot of the
scientists are involved this they do it
on they do it on the down-low because
it's considered French stem ooh
right so the question is how do we break
that taboo how do we break that stigma
so scientists can I mean look the kid
you're sitting here with a guy who ran
as the the the psychic program for the
US government I mean a lot more timely
than cats and yet it was real and he got
it off the ground and it was running and
it was successful and then you call up
something fancy like remote appealing
but at the end of the day it's a pretty
interesting stuff you you're using human
cognitive capabilities to collect
espionage on a foreign country separated
by space and time I mean if that's not
wild science I don't know what it is
right and yet he succeeded and he is a
real scientist he the boy the best of
the best so so if you want to know how
you cracked that code that's the guy you
talk to because I'm not a scientist I'm
just sort of an old gumshoe investigator
he's the guy who did it and he did it
again and again and again he's got a
track record after that of breaking
taboos breaking barriers and making
programs by the way I've kept this
country safe for a very long time so my
suggestion is you be out you should ask
him can you speak about the NORAD
intercept data that happens on a regular
basis I cannot
have the preliminary results of your
recent materials analyses supported or
challenged your theories on the physics
behind the phenomenon supported on the
physics but some of the material you
said has turned out it looks like to be
fairly ordinary so that it's really
we're talking about the the the minority
of material that is truly extraordinary
and that has reinforced the opinion of
the conclusion so far that we have is
any of your focus on the occupants of
the euro fees when you say you me or you
TTS a or you ate it if you're focused on
the occupants of the UAP who asked that
question can you tell me if that related
to what a tip TTS a or what
agent to a limited degree you have to
know them in a degree early on TSA yep
sure absolutely but why cast a wide net
don't want to catch as many fish as we
can so you cast a really really wide net
now you get a reel and a lot of minnows
we got it but you also may make it some
some sizable fish there that you want to
keep them so that's available that's
been our strategy have we attempted to
shoot down in the AAP have we succeeded
have we recovered any tech or beings
dead or alive out of curiosity did did a
tip program look at or consider any of
the stuff that like maybe lens
Springville did with the crash
retrievals or look into any of those
crashes
okay okay notionally or explicitly did
has anybody studied the physical or
psychological effects on observers yep
there's actually some very qualified
individuals in the medical field I can't
comment on what they're doing and what
they have done but these are extremely
professional individuals of other
qualifications expertise and the the
vitae to to answer that question so is
anything known about the pilots
biological or autonomous of these craft
is there anything known about the pilots
themselves I guess of these craft at
this point I wouldn't want to assume
anything I don't want to say the pilots
are the UAVs are they may
and or anything combination of at me
I've certainly not prepared to go there
at this point I think it's too premature
I think we need more data
we're couldn't know there huh I was
invited to the first NASA tech no
signatures workshop in Houston in
October 2018 the SETI folks are not on
board with looking for UFOs despite
efforts to locate alien artifacts on the
moon and asteroids how can we get SETI
and NASA on board so let me respectfully
agree to disagree on one note to say
that there's alien artifacts on the moon
in Mars
I'm not convinced of that I understand
people feel that way and I respect their
feelings but I haven't seen any
empirical data to substantiate that
other than a couple of folks you know a
couple of sites in each other say that
so I don't see anything from government
government channels to substantiate that
bunch of the bigger note as far as what
SETI is doing you know said he has a
mission and they're using the tools that
they have to do their mission I don't I
don't you know I guess I think it's a
three three prong approach you know if
you if you're going to try to if you
want to try to catch a butterfly with
with or rely with chopsticks that might
be kind of tough right but then again
you know if you're you're trying to
catch something else
a mouse maybe maybe it works so I think
I think there is use for SETI
it's a great mission i I'm a little
disappointed that when we came out they
were they were viscerally opposed to
what we're trying to do because at the
end of the day we're doing these acts I
think they are we're using the
scientific approach with the mean to
capabilities that we have look at
something that we don't understand with
by the way a hell of a lot more evidence
there's no speculation on this this is
real it's there we've got so the
question is what it is we don't know but
it is there I mean that's we're beyond
that Morse's we left the game it's gone
so why would people be opposed to trying
to figure that out I don't know other
than maybe we're getting into their rice
bowls but I think there's a thing I
think cities mission is there's a real
mission I think it's important I think
we should spend money on it if you
haven't personally I think I think it's
a good mission these are like okay so
can you can you talk about the
directed-energy weapon capabilities of
us governed whether they're being used
on US citizens oh I can't address that
but I can tell you most certainly
they're not being used on US citizens I
don't I hate to at this point they're
not using directed-energy weapons at you
are you aware of any geoengineering
programs
has anyone been able to translate
simples that maybe an extraterrestrial
language and I think sweetie seems to
that that wasn't our focus what in your
opinion is the best way to sift and sort
through mountains of hoaxes in the
States to find truly inexplicable aap
data data data data but everything and
even jump if you make the Machine a
sausage machine good enough all the junk
will get thrown out that's why you have
AI that's what we're building our vault
or virtual analytic UAB learning tool
that's what we have the atom project it
is a very very expensive effort it is
not cheap but if you do it right the
analytics will sift through everything
and hopefully separate the chaff from
the wheat and so that is why we are
endeavoring on that ever because we
believe it's support enough so how do
you do that well you hire the best of
the best from places like Google and
Sony to come out and help you with the
AI and that AI will be able to identify
patterns that causes human beings aren't
able to do and that's gonna be fielded
that's going to be something you're
gonna be able to access from your
computer your iPhone so this is gonna be
dated you're gonna be able to pull up
any time to do whatever the hell you
want to do with it which I think it's
fascinating I think that's great
so that's something that we're trying to
do and again to answer your questions
NSYNC lien up in kind of yammering but
it's all about the algorithms that go on
behind the scenes and you have to teach
the system how to recognize what is
legitimate and what
not and it's not gonna be done on the
sink of a basis it has to be a basic
look at all the data and then come up
with the the necessary AI protocol to
say actually that is something very
significant or that is not and you're
not going to be able to do that till you
have a complete picture
so again Dana data data give it to me
give it to this junk I don't care I want
real I want junk and everything between
because we will sort it out um where did
the material come from that you're
talking about and you showed and when
can you discuss this it will be
discussed very soon again stay tuned and
by the way this is not a cheap plug for
the show if you don't watch it that's
fine it's just let you know that all
these questions that you're asking
we tried to anticipate seven months ago
so that's what we built into this thing
we didn't we're not doing this show just
to go out and you know have a bunch of
pyrotechnics and say well here is a cool
show this is not a UFO hunting show
that's not what this is this is a
docu-series these are real people in
uniform active duty tell me what's going
on and we address those questions so you
want to know watch it and by the way I'm
not an actor I told you I got a facebook
a cement truck nobody wants to see my
camera okay I get it but it just so
happens that we're working with the
right people that can give you the
information you're looking for so when
you look at the show look at it from the
perspective that that what I'm telling
you here this is your show this is not
our show is it your show this is the
show that all those questions you've
been asking from day one since that
article articles came out that's in the
show and stuff you've never heard about
never seen before you're gonna say wow
oh you smoke no idea and that's the
purpose and then that's gonna get you to
force Congress and ask questions more
questions and so that's that's how this
works
we're getting down there sir I'm gonna
let you go here have them has the
government program that created the
software to track UAVs track the Puerto
Rico 2013 UAP to a destination inside
the island okay answer okay has it been
easier to get government to listen than
the scientific community yes or no the
government look at the end of the day if
the government doesn't want to do
anything with this is because we've made
it a statement we've made it such a pain
in their ass
she's my language but they don't want to
deal with it do you tell them it's okay
to deal with it once they knew you know
you Joe public tell them we want you to
look at this then they will and so
that's what we're devices are doing and
it's kind of a push-pull ever so if you
want them to look at it you gotta let
them know it's okay to look at it
because every time they look at it what
happens people ridicule the government
wasting money on a tip and they spent
three two million dollars on 37 studies
that didn't mean anything well that's
absolutely not true but that's what
happens and so the wondered of a
government bureaucrat GS 13 14 or 15
wants to even address this because it's
radioactive its kryptonite it's a career
ender so once Congress says you will
look at this and once you tell Congress
this is your priority then that's
stigmas gone so it's not an easy
question because you're saying this
government or scientific community which
one is more repulsed by by the topic in
some cases it's both and in some cases
it's neither I mean look at you all here
we've got a lot of sites is here a lot I
mean folks have active jobs right now
with DoD so so it's happening at the
same time
could TTS a patent the processes are the
processes observed in the UAAP material
then in that case it might not be best
to reveal the analysis results sure
you're right but the material that's not
ours that that we are stewards of is
again not ours so we're not going to
pass something that doesn't belong to us
some of these individuals have been very
generous and patient with us and have
allowed us to analyze their material
allowed us to serve as storage that
material provided we find that
information back to them but it is at
the end of the day they are material so
if you come up to me after the end of
the show to take hey Lou I got something
here want you guys to look at it's
really interesting
that's your material that's not ours I
can't go on that thing and in order for
me to do touch this thing I need your
permission every step of the way
and then when you say Lou I want it back
there you go all yours so that's kind of
our approach with TTS a it's important
that that people can trust us it's
important that people know that we we
are honest brokers and we're not just
out there to try to exploit a situation
what percent of a tips work was
ufo-related what percent was roughly the
program paperwork and the Pentagon says
it was looking for it for in aerospace
advancements in the years to 30 50 years
from now many people are claiming that a
tip was a hundred percent a UFO program
a tip wasn't one how to present us on
the program period not looking at
ellington so
I don't they you know I think it started
to come out now when you start looking
at at the list of studies that came out
but it was a UFO program you go you EP
you a yes whatever you want to call it
tomatoes Tomatoes Ford Mercury was UFO
but I couldn't be the one to say that
had to be dia and so it had to be
Senator Reid or some of these people
that that can say that again it just
can't be world according to Lou it's not
it's not hopeful so so as far as our
time spent on it when you were working a
tip it was a tip it wasn't anything else
but a tip but a lot of us also had other
jobs too so I mean in all fairness it
wasn't that it was a tip 100% of time
but when it was a tip it was 100% of the
time if that makes sense what is your
greatest fear in your current pursuit
my grades here I have two two kids two
daughters they are the absolute greatest
accomplishment of my life I have got
those kids around the world through some
of the most horrific situations notes of
any kind they were without their fathers
or many many years all in the name of
national security
my greatest fear is that by me doing
this there are negative repercussions
that are going to affect my daughter's I
know that I'm walking a very fine line
every single day I know if I'm one side
if I say one thing the wrong way I go to
jail if I say something wrong the other
way I lose credibility and all sorts of
other alligators I want to eat me every
moment of every day and now that I think
I'm more public keeping in mind I am I
am very much a creature the shadows I've
avoided the spotlight as much as
possible to the point where for us at
safety I was informed not too long ago
some years ago that that I was attitude
to an Isis al Qaeda killed list because
of the work you know last time I did
something like this I had to wear body
armor I mean that's that's a shame I
should shouldn't have to live that way
but you know I don't feel sorry for my
own choices I made the deliberate
decision to do what I did my concern is
not by me coming out the way I am this
is gonna have a negative impact and I'm
also very that if I do something wrong
it's going to set everything you're
doing backwards all this momentum that
we're gaining there
there could very quickly be a campaign
to discredit people and that happens
when the system really starts getting
pressed you start seeing the system push
back and it can get very ugly and so far
Ivan had to really experience that very
much I've crossed some wires some people
got a little upset with me the way I
came out but I haven't invoked the ire
of anybody yet and I hope they don't but
I am but make no mistake I ain't
prepared for it if it happens
I understand full well why what I did
and why I'm doing what I'm doing so I'm
very careful not to violate a trust with
the US government and at the same time I
have a conversation view nonetheless
five things my questions
realistically what is the first major
technological advancement that we can
expect to see providing no obstacles
getting away provided no obstacles I'd
say themed energy propulsion and quantum
communication what can you tell us about
met vegies statement to Sky News in 2012
that he was given the folder on
relations with aliens when he took
office not a clue you're doing well
given the fact that this earth appears
to be the only inhabitable planet in the
solar system with the et spacecraft
visitation the evidence that
interstellar travel or warp drive things
like that can be made practical well
let's look at the definition of a
habitable from our perspective shirt but
I will tell you from other perspectives
maybe not okay we talked about the
Goldilocks zone but we know there are
already on this planet extremophiles we
know there is bacteria that grow mile
below the Arctic ice and extreme
pressures and darkness we know that
there's animals that live in the deepest
parts of the Mariana Trench and
Challenger team living off the chemo
chemotherapy was a nemesis
chemosynthesis basically surviving off
the chemicals from from the black
smokers down below and environments that
we could never survive it so for us we
and say well nothing could ever survive
on those bandits those are extreme
environments well not if they're
designed for it not if they're for
adapted for it you know you take a good
team sea fishing and you you catch some
of these fish that live to 3,000 feet
below the above the surface you bring
them up and they don't survive more than
a couple minutes because there's not
enough pressure for them this is an
extreme environment so I think it's
important that we keep that in mind what
we consider habitable and not habitable
that's relative because quite frankly if
I jump in a pond and I go more than two
inches below the water I'm not going to
be in a habitable zone for very long so
unless absolutely here so I think that's
relative as far as any possibility that
something from the outside would be
coming in here I don't want to speculate
because I've said before I don't know if
it's from outer space interspace or the
space in-between it could be anything it
might it might be from here it might
just be a completely different paradigm
than we're used to or every was aware of
where where the experience of space-time
itself is fundamentally different or we
look we live in a three-dimensional
world we have a function of time as a
fourth dimension is it conceivable that
maybe there's a species that can live in
that construct of four dimensions all
the time so what I mean like in
practical sense instead of a me being
here right now with you I could be here
right now five minutes from now or five
minutes ago and I had that flexibility
where time itself is a movable
convention so I think I think there's
lots of things that could be and I don't
want to speculate what could be because
all we know is what is and that is the
data that we're collective's and that's
why I stay focused to the data I really
don't want to speculate say because they
don't really know
can you provide any information on which
government agencies or departments to
FOIA for data relating to a tip
including any reports produced and did
you have any responsibility for
allocating financial resources in regard
to a tip or a SAP
assuming financial resources were
available let me focus on the one
question as far as only get this tricky
can you provide any information on which
agencies on which agency for the FOIA um
if you look at Senator Reed's letter a
very last page look at the very bottom
page and you're gonna see for you
exempted language okay that's real now
you can say oh that's sneaky they should
put it there but we do for a reason some
of that stuff is a FOIA exemption and
you're not going to see it I don't know
the time and it's voice up for a reason
and there's exceptions by law there are
there are when you look at those
exemptions they actually go back to very
very specific things loopholes if you
will or circumstances that something is
not voidable because of sensitivities
because of sources and methods because
all sorts of reasons and so from that
perspective some of the frustration
people first of all they photos advanced
aviation so you're not gonna get
anything so I mean for the six months I
was telling people write n row space
that's one person you have to be very
very specific when you do a four you
also need to know which offices so dia
DoD's a big organization so you might
not get everything you want it's not a
magic bullet you have to you have to
continue to keep pushing keep pushing
and taking in finding out what offices
were around what offices or not and then
maybe apply those specifically those
magic will that void is to those
specific offices awesome was indeed the
predecessor to a tip we made that very
clear from day one unfortunately I can't
talk much about it
out of respect for my former colleagues
I won't do it it's if you want to know
more about us app and what they were
doing you're gonna have to talk to the
former director until unless or until he
gives me permission to mention it I
can't do it it's just out of respect for
him it's a promise I made him long long
ago and just like you know we want any
what is speaking on my behalf which
apparently people do all the time but
that's asked me and I'll tell you so
about the respect it really can't answer
too much about the offset that's a piece
perhaps the most critical question of
the entire evening
who is your favorite NFL football team
I was gonna say Detroit Tigers I don't
know anything about the sports guys I
know their baseball I was never very
coordinated I was I was a boxer you'll
have to be very coordinated be box and
just go sit during it
I was always the last kid picked on a
football team or a baseball team in fact
I was more of a liability than anything
else I wasn't particularly good at
anything other than boxing and wrestling
and stuff like that
so I wasn't much of a much of a team
player
so I kind of got in trouble for it so I
don't have a favorite team but I say
thank you to you for going through a lot
of questions I mean there's a little
quite a few there and you're persistent
it's time for a drink but anyway it is
9:30 folks I need to get you and sleep
and we're gonna be up early but let's
all give a huge round
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