YouTube Channel: "Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal" Video Title: "Luis Elizondo: The Pentagon, History, DNA, Disclosure [Part 2]" Luis Elizondo: The Pentagon, History, DNA, Disclosure [Part 2] 1,786,334 views Premiered Oct 21, 2021 Luis Elizondo talks about UFOs. Read between the lines. From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wULw64ZL1Bg Transcript: and his longest interview ever Lue Elizondo is a former US Army Counter Intelligence special agent mostly known as the Director of the now defunct atip a program initiated by the defense intelligence agency in order to study unidentified aerial phenomenon also known as UFOs thank you to short form for sponsoring this video and click on the Tim stamp in the description if you'd like to skip this intro for those new to this channel my name is Kurt jongle and I'm a filmmaker with a background in mathematical physics dedicated to the explication of what are called theories of everything from a theoretical physics perspective but also delineating the possible connection Consciousness may have to the fundamental laws provided these laws exist at all and are knowable to us now this UFO phenomenon may seem tangential to the exploring of the variegated landscape of toes that is theories of everything however if you watch episodes 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comments asking where it is it's in the description if you'd like to follow on an alternate audio platform thank you and enjoy this conversation one of the most revelatory conversations with L alisand to date that's primarily thanks to you as this was an AMA that is questions were gleaned from you thank you for watching SL listening and thank you Lou for your generosity enjoy jennif Jennifer like I know how much my wife contributes to my success it's mainly my wife's success UC so I imagine much of your success ABS correct C it is it is absolutely it is it is um you know behind I tell everybody behind every great man is a greater woman uh or a greater person you know obviously might come from an older generation but it you know it's it's usually the success of anybody is always dependent upon a closed circle of of trusted people behind them um that are that are you know really helping make things happen so you're you're absolutely right okay anything you want me to be aware of before we go live anything you want to say you know the rules man there are no rules you know you can ask me whatever you want okay if you can see this type Forgot About Dre Forgot About Dre so Lou while I'm making sure there's about a 20 second delay before I can tell if this actually went live how's your day going uh you know it's going uh uh considerably well uh versus the alternative right there's an old saying any day above ground is a good day and uh I I definitely subscribe to that I know that you're in such a whirlwind primarily what is it interviews or what h no I wish um It's a combination of many things you know when I when I first presented that those five slides um those on on how we are having this conversation legislative engagement executive engagement Etc um all those take a lot of effort every day lot of care and feeding they're like they're like children really um that are constantly uh wanting attention and so you you have to to feed the beast accordingly you have to make sure you give just the right amount of information um to to to those specific silos if you will or or pillars um you know to to keep them happy um but of course they're in Li part of the challenge because you can't give all sides the same information necessarily because obviously the information you talk to with executive leadership sometimes is classified and you can't give that necessarily to the public but you can still have the same conversation without providing classified information and so that's you know that's how you have to thread that needle and it's it's a constant uh I guess you could call it spinning of plates um and hopefully you don't drop drop any of them and so it it takes a lot of a lot of time uh takes a lot of effort um and a lot of a lot of coordination for each one of those this is what I don't know think people understand when you look at the the collective achievements or accomplishments we collectively have made all of us over the last four years each one of those bullets is is is hundreds if not sometimes a thousand hours working behind the scenes to make things happen um it's it's it's it's a lot a lot of work and you know I still have a day job and uh I'm still you know trying to to do my best to have this convers you know every time I have one of the these interviews um and you can attest to this you know I don't get paid for this you know you're not I mean I don't call me a liar but have you ever paid me to do an interview no no right and I don't ask for one and I won't accept it um for to do one like like this so um it takes time away from my other stuff it's uh it's a lot a lot of work but I think it's worth it in the end I think ultimately this is a conversation that that needs to be had and I think we we all we all have a part of it do these conversations make you nervous uh you know conversation doesn't make me nervous people make me nervous um it's probably just a product of my my upbringing and maybe my my my choice of of career profession um I think dialogue and conversation is great you know it's funny you should ask me that K because there's a um my wife and I my wife jokes quite a bit with me and and she she sometimes don't know if I'm telling if I'm being serious or not uh just because of my sense of humor and um you know I told her I said after after 40 or 50 Years Around the Sun the one thing I've learned it's um you know I I love Humanity it's it's humans I don't like you know and uh there's a difference you know I love the idea of humanity but unfortunately uh individually as human beings um you know there's I think there's a lot of room for improvement for for all of us to be hon with you and so so there in lies the problem um to have a conversation that's concerning uh you know Humanity I I have to engage you know humans um and and that's what that's what I find challenging sometimes because humans are uh we're emotional beings uh we can be we can be fragile beings and sometimes we can be um we can be violent beings and and and to each other and that violence can man manest itself not just physically but sometimes just in words and hatred and so uh I that's what I find so challenging you know just simply trying to have a conversation and there's people out there that want to want to stifle that conversation for for whatever reason okay well let's minimize your trepidation by saying anytime you need to refill your coffee or go to the washroom people who are watching just bear with us because we're going on for quite some time so here's a question from myself by the way I have to ask what do you think of my coffee cup right I know people are expecting like machine guns and tanks and whatnot right but I have flowers to celebrate fall right I have hearts there you go a you beat me okay damn you CT conspicuous for similar reasons okay is there any evidence that these whatever we want to call them aliens creatures future humans whatever we want let's label them X is there any evidence that these X can shape shift can look like other humans or other creatures you know I I don't know um but I'll tell you mimicry is is something that is common in nature and it's even common in what we do um there are species to defend themselves in the animal kingdom let's take a coral snake versus let's say king snake um coral snake is very deadly the king snake um has the same colors except for some of the the the the color arrangements are in opposite order um and and these animals mimic other animals for protection now let's look at it from a humanistic perspective perspective um we have something where we call light deception on for example Navy ships in the old days we would string lights in a way that would try at night to make a uh big large Destroyer appear to be a uh a fishing boat right a tler uh and and we we light deception is is part of camouflage part of survival so um if there is a a species that is is far more advanced than than human beings um it's not inconceivable look we can go to the panda exhibit in in in you know the zoo in China and see that zookeepers will often wear these kind of appears ridiculous to us but not so ridiculous to the pandas um the zookeepers are are required to wear a panda suit a big furry uh teddy bear suit um as yeah they do that so when they go into the enclosure to clean up the enclosure or what not provide food um they don't disrupt the the local Panda population as least as possible um you know of course it's it's entertaining to us to see a bunch of humans walking around in furry Panda suits but but at the end of the day it's it's effective so um you know I I I don't think it's inconceivable um you know the problem is when we start going down the road of you know we say shape shifting and things like that immediately we start going into the world of woo quote unquote and and paranormal and again there's nothing wrong with it I've I've written articles on on paranormal right everything by by by definition in science is Paranormal till becomes normal uh frankly so but the problem is that we we don't have hard evidence we have a lot of anecdotal evidence um a lot of a lot of people report seeing things um that these the UAP can look like an aircraft sometimes disguise itself like a 747 or or that the the occupants can can you know make themselves look like human beings um I I don't really know um during our time at atip we were focused primarily on the nuts and bolts of this and uh you know what what are military uh eyewitnesses and and collection capabilities were telling us um at the time we didn't really have any reports of quotequote um shape-shifting now cloaking that's a different story um we do have some information that indicates that these things do have an ability uh to try to evade some of our our sensors um and and for example radar uh when you get these nonsensical what looks like spoofing uh or radar jamming occurring um you have uh you know the low observability portion of the five observables is is you know that includes things like active camouflage and cloaking and and and and again low observability it's hard to see um and so that there is there is information that we have that that pertains to that okay speaking about cloaking is there any evidence that suggests well UFOs are associated with orbs at least anecdotally firstly what's the reason for that and then second is there any evidence that you know that suggests that these orbs may be more plentiful than we think perhaps around us whether in homes or outside cityscapes just cloaked yeah the problem with orb the word orb is is you're not going to get a common definition from most people everybody thinks an orb means something else some people think an orb is a little plasma ball others say it's much much bigger and intelligently controlled um you know orb is kind of a general catchall when you say is an orb related to UFO well by definition it is UFO it's unidentified and it's flying or it's a you know it's in our atmosphere and uh it's an object it's something we don't know what it is so by definition an orb is a UAP but the question is is it a UAP in the sense that we we we're talking about uaps whether lenticular type shape or or maybe a cylindrical shape or a triangular vehicle um I think the jury is still out there does seem to be some information that suggests that orbs uh as you call them are sometimes associated with other UAP cting that there are uaps in the sky and then you see these little balls of light you know um the problem is it's it's it's a very generalized term um we now know for a fact that things such as ball lightning are real is that an orb well yeah times it looks looks like an orb to me um other times when you have large um large amounts of energy being released into into the atmosphere and the environment let's talk about tectonic movement for example where these Titanic forces uh right underneath the surface of the Earth um creating this this this this plasma effect in the atmosphere where you get these different colors shooting into the sky and and and again orbs if you will um being reported in seen and even captured on camera uh but that that's that's an orb that that I think we can all agree is probably um being manufactured um naturally now are there orbs that are intelligently controlled well we did talk about that at atip you know one of the questions were when you look at the the the the different shapes and sizes of vehicles orbs tend to be almost like a I guess in in a vernacular sense think of a a UAV um think of a a drone um the the the the they tend to be described as being much smaller highly maneuverable uh different colors sometimes red sometimes green sometimes yellow sometimes blue um is it possible that those colors are are are indicative of mission set right is it the blue ones doing certain things where the reds are doing something else and their purpose is something else where the yellows and whites are doing something else um it's certainly plausible um you know I I I don't dismiss that at all um the problem is we just don't have enough information because it appears that the the these orbs tend to be small that it's really hard to argue the case that they are being occupied by any type of of biological organism now doesn't mean that they're not not it just means that you know it we haven't seen that yet um you know we don't know what these are are these perhaps some sort of unmanned reconnaissance uh capability that are kicked out um not much different than we use drones ourselves right to do certain types of reconnaissance missions um we don't know it's certainly possible the reasoning behind my question is that Tom dong I recall was saying one shouldn't do C5 I'm going to get you to explain what C5 is but anyway one shouldn't do C5 and when one does it often orbs are associated with it and one thinks oh that's great because I'm inducing some contact and Tom said be careful one shouldn't do that lightly so that to me implies that there's something nefarious or potentially nefarious about these orbs well I I mean look I'd say the same thing you know don't mess around with electricity unless you're a licensed electrician be careful because you can get zapped that's true with anything that's not just orbs that's El electricity that's swimming pools that's everything um you know just I can't speak for Tom you know I don't know what Tom meant by that but I can tell you that that General word of caution I think is is is appropriate for for just about anything out there you know if you don't know what you're getting into just just be mindful um you know there are potentially Things That Go Bump in the night and and and it's not all you know um necessarily uh good or bad you know it's not all sunflowers like your cup well you know anytime you go go snorkeling look I'm I'm an avid scuba diver been scuba diving my my whole life um you know there's always a remote risk when you go scuba diving in some of these beautiful coral reefs you know what there's a risk you're going to come up against a shark now not all sharks are going to do anything but if you're carrying a you know a bag of of of fresh fish that you wound up spearing uh and and are now bleeding out of this bag and and and dead um chances are you may attract a lot more attention than just a curious shark you may be attracting a hungry shark and now you got to kind of pay attention so um you know I I I I think that's wise advice on just about everything that we we we uh we do you know I I live here in Wyoming where a lot of people like to go go splunking and and and you know adventuring into caves but again you know you have to have the right equipment be careful when you go into a cave you know make sure you've got light make sure you've got you know gear that can get you in and out and rope and whatnot okay now let's get to some of the audience questions this one comes from Stephanie Stephanie Hill is there information being recorded or being encoded into less mainstream information media channels that can be fre that can be parsed out John nashy like a beautiful mind that could help us arrive closer at the truth of this phenomenon so I'm going to need your help Kurt kind of detangling that question because I'm not familiar with the reference but when you're saying encoded um Can can you repeat that question one more time I want to answer it I just want to make sure I I'm understanding the question okay just deciphering essentially with somewhat of sufficient intelligence can decipher that there are different drops being placed by let's say disclosure people the government oh oh I see you're saying breadcrumbs what I refer to as breadcrumbs one can decipher it um well you know I I've I've always left bread s every interview I ever do uh for the last four years um you know I think people can now go back through a lot of what I've said in the past and come back and say oh so that's what he was referring to now we know uh because certain people have come out whether it's you know Jim latky in his book or other folks um you know I I I think I can't speak on behalf of the government and other people um I suspect that um what what I can say is I I think that we at a point now where um we don't have to leave the breadcrumbs um that that we have been in the past I think I think the time has come for us to be even a little bit more straightforward and a little bit more clear um you know uh the difficult part is when you're dealing with security clearances and ndas which everybody hates to hear you know that's that's becoming a a three-letter word um that I think is is probably going to be etched somewhere on my on my tombstone and people are going to be throwing Tomatoes at it you know uh From Here to Eternity because they hate it and they don't they don't but they hate it because they don't really understand what it means and and why you have them um you know those those ndas definitely get in the way of having a complete transparent conversation but I I also think that that we are having it I think we we've come a long long ways and as far as answering this specific question as far as leaving breadcrumbs I can't speak for anybody else I I don't know precisely what the government because the government isn't just this one huge uh if you will monolithic Enterprise it's it's comprised of people and and those people each of those people have their own interests and their own desires and and their own agendas and so I I I can't speak for them I can only speak for me um I think certainly if people were to look at all the this talks I've given uh and and really look at them and listen to them closely they will see that a a lot more has been said than uh than than might necessarily be acknowledged okay this one comes from Ross cart since you left the dod have you been warned not to talk publicly about certain things and if so what yes I have been warned uh I've been warned first of all not to discuss not to discuss classified information um which I I've heeded uh thus far and will continue to do so um I've had uh I've had I've been threatened there were individuals in in the Pentagon that did not like what I do and how I did it and so uh once secretary Mattison um public affairs Officer Dana White left they started to change uh the narrative a little bit um I was told that I would be labeled crazy uh and that they would come after my security clearance which they did they actually did uh try to do that um and they were they were true to their word but um fortunately I had some some some friends and allies that knew exactly what I was doing beforehand and uh you know it uh it wasn't quite so easy for them to to be able to do that but but to put it simply yeah I've I've been warned so you've been warned have you ever gotten in trouble Ross has a sub question have you gotten into trouble for acknowledging that the US has recovered non-terrestrial materials well they're watching me very closely um they're trying there's elements that are trying to get me into trouble um so that's why I walk a very fine line I walk right up to that line but I won't step over it um because they're waiting for me to screw up they're waiting me for to say they're waiting for me to say one word that I shouldn't say uh and in order to use that against me and silence me um so yeah I mean I have got in trouble they tried to come after my clearance like I said um you know and unfortunately I had to I had to seek legal counsel uh to protect my constitutional rights to do so um you know it seems that they've backed off a little bit for now uh but I'm not fooling myself I know that there's there's still you know wolves circling just beyond the the limit of of of of the fire that I'm I'm standing next to uh waiting for an opportunity so I'm very mindful of that but you know I'll will also say that there's some really good elements I've had an opportunity you know sometimes through the worst of ad uh adversity you get a chance to see people at their best and I've learned that there are people on the inside that really do want to have the conversation and that want to see things done right and these are Senior People some of these are very very very senior people and uh they have they were willing to put their their professional careers on the line to defend me and protect me um and you know that that means a lot that makes that makes me feel makes me feel good um because I've always been that way you know I've could have called people out by name three four years ago just to defend my credibility and I never did um you know people are now realizing that a lot of those people are now finally coming out of the shadows and you know my life could have been a lot easier had I had I had I you know called them out um to defend me but I didn't because I made a promise to them that I would never I would never reveal their identities until they were ready to do so um and uh that's just the way I am I mean to me principles you know mean everything either either you're a person of principle or you're not um doesn't matter how bad the the going gets you you you know you got to stick by Your Word so it's been a mixed bag for me um you know make sure Ross we tell Ross here that the the the full story that and you know even though i' I've had people coming after me I've also had a lot of people rally around me and and to me I'd rather I focus on those folks those are the folks that I you know just makes you want to do this even more because you know they're they're willing to to get your back and are you allowed to say those folks names uh they haven't come out of the Shadows yet they're in the process and um we'll we'll we'll let that play out U but I think it'll be quite obvious when they step about because people are going to go oh that person oh my goodness I didn't know that person was with L um you know so I'll leave it at that another bread another breadcrumb right right right there are many people who have super chated don't worry I'm going to get to them I have a follow-up question to what you just said which is there are wolves that are watching you like a hawk is there another reason outside of National Security that they they don't want you to disclose what you may disclose or they're worried you may yeah I mean what is their worry outside of them there have been um you know uh forbidden truths we can call them if you will there have been forbidden truth in the history of not just our country but many countries uh truth that could upset a balance a balance that's been around for a long time um let me give you case in point um let's say there were some people that were doing their job by running a a UFO program in the past uh but because certain things happened um presidents were no longer briefed people in Congress were no longer briefed who should have been and now they're running an operation that's um uh considered Rogue but it's still an important Mission um turns out you know all of a sudden now let's say hypothetically the cat's out of the bag what's going to happen to those people when when the government realizes they were running operations for Better or For Worse um without any oversight without any legal oversight right what what who who's going to be held accountable for that the fact that they did not brief legally like they were supposed to certain members of Congress and committees and oversight committees and and and the chain of command um that that's potentially criminal criminal action let's say I I've said this before let's say you have two competing companies you have uh Aerospace company a and Aerospace Company B and Aerospace company a for whatever reason gets a favor and some sort of really exotic game changing material that's provided to that company to do us analysis meanwhile Company B who is competing fairly um doesn't uh doesn't get that material turns out company a now starts getting a lot of contracts defense contracts and becomes a multi-billion dollar company while Company B who never had the advantage of having that material um goes into bankruptcy people hundreds people lose their jobs and stockholders lose their their their investment um keeping in mind that both companies are supposed to be treated fairly and have Fair comp competition uh when it comes to US Government contracts now what now now what happens where's the liability and by the way now these companies are are you know doing good things for the United States um but they got there because they had unfair Advantage competitive Advantage potential again I'm not I'm not this is H hypothetical right where's the liability there you're talking of trillions and trillions of dollars worth of liability um you know and and who made those decisions to do that you know who's going to be held culpable for that uh you know security Exchange Commission would not be very happy to know that that two publicly company two publicly traded companies were competing for a contract one had an unfair Advantage the other went bankrupt that's that that's that's a problem that's a real problem and so you're talking about big big money interests you're talking about things that are going into that gray world that go beyond just government interests you're talking about banking you're talking about um you know some of the biggest names on the planet that have a lot to lose or a lot to gain in hindsight so you know I think we always have to be careful that that governments have always had um interesting ties to to to certain interests and that's true of all governments that's not just the US that's that's everybody um and we need to be mindful of that you know because you you could be you could be um putting some people in a very uncomfortable position and I'm aware of that and that's why I've been very delicate how I approach this topic I'm not trying to beat anybody up I'm not trying to expose anybody and and and say ahaa gotcha see there um I'm trying to have the conversation in a collaborative meaningful way where where everybody wins nobody has to get burned right it's not a zero sum game I'm not hypothetically do they view it like that like there's a potential where everyone can win or do they view it somewhat zero well I can't I can't speak for them I can't tell you what they think all I can tell you is what I think and and and my Approach and my Approach is to say look guys you know we're not trying to expose anybody this is not I'm not trying it's is not a Witch Hunt You know despite what you may see on social media where everybody wants their pound of Flesh um that's not going to get us anywhere we we need to to we need to be adults about this and we need to have a a conversation that if if you really want the truth to come out you better be able you better be willing to compromise you know this is we're not going to we're not going to sit there and put people to be eaten by the Lions um just to just to satisfy someone's you know ego or or or or beef that they might have with somebody else um you know the truth is more important than that this is not about uh see I told you so or or or being Vindicated this this is about having a conversation that's that that can affect all of humanity and and we have to be willing to to set aside some of that uh if you will um and understandably so you know you've got lots and lots of decades worth of of people covering this up I know there's a lot of animosity and resentment as a result of that by people saying you know you've been lying to us for the L this time but but we got to be willing to put that aside if we really want to move forward in my opinion you're referring to animosity from the general public or animosity from some of these wolves no general public who who who want their pound of Flesh because people have been covering this topic up for too long knowing that it's real been lying to the American people potentially how long is too long when you potentially is it centuries is it decades well you know there's information that goes way I live here in Wyoming and I live next to uh members of the cron Nation um and if you've ever had a chance to to talk and really engage with indigenous people first of all they're very very private um two um they have an incredibly Rich history they're their their oral oral traditions and and oral history doesn't go back a few hundred years um it goes back Millennia in fact when when Europe was facing its Dark Ages and and and Mankind almost when extinct in the European continent and we were burning books um you know indigenous people over here were experiencing a golden era um that wasn't the the case over here and the way they look at nature the way they look at um this topic UAP is not like we look at it through Western eyes um in fact they don't view it as a threat at all in fact they don't view it even as paranormal they they view it as as normal as part of the of of nature uh their natural environment as real as the the lakes and the sky and the trees on the mountains are um and it's just accepted as part of part of the greater universe and you know I I think there's some beauty there um you know they're not held hostage by their by their fears um in fact they they embrace it and and that goes to show that that you know you don't have to view this topic as an either or it doesn't have to be viewed as a threat or as uh you know um some sort of of um saving uh opportunity for our species um it could just be a natural part of our existence um again do I subscribe to that I don't know but I certainly I I certainly think it's another way another perspective that we should consider um if that is the case and and they're right then we've been dealing with this for Millennia I can tell you that um having a chance to talk to some people in the Vatican you know they describe these these flaming Roman shields in the sky that would follow them from from Battlefield to Battlefield what they call the eclip which is the shape of the Roman Shield um you know that's documented that's there in fact I think if I'm not mistaken I haven't read it from jacqu Valle but from my understanding jacqu Valle even wrote a little bit about that um but I've I've seen that evidence myself there there is there is documentation of these strange things in the sky going back a long long time so I don't think it's necessarily modern um maybe our understanding is is a little bit more advanced and maybe consider that modern but I don't think we're dealing with a new phenomenon I think we may dealing with a new recognition uh and perhaps hopefully at some point a new understanding but I don't think this is a new phenomenon to mankind I think we've been faced with this phenomenon for quite some time you mentioned Millennia which is thousands of years I'm wondering potentially tens of thousands potentially millions or do you think it's cut off around 9,000 or so well that's that's hard to tell because we only as a species homo sapien sapien have been around roughly for 100,000 years and we only really gotten into written language in the last 5 6,000 years really um and been gone from you know uh Hunter gathers to more of an agrarian type society organized society which is if you take 100,000 years and you compare the last 5,000 years really only the five 5% of our entire time rumaging around on this planet has been in somewhat of a civilized fashion um you know and then if you look at that to the context of it's been you know only in the last you know Thousand Years 2,000 years we we understood you know the Archimedes steam engine right and really didn't even fully appreciate it until the Industrial Revolution just a couple hundred years ago so now you're talking at you know 0 2% of Mankind's time on Earth um we we've been industrialized we've been civilized so how much of our own history do we really know well you know we can go back 5,000 years pretty easily um 8,000 years things start to get a little murky right and anything much beyond that uh we really have no clue about and the question is have we as a species been aware of this phenomenon much longer well let's look at what we do know um you know the general consensus is that the the the American population let's say American I don't mean United States I mean North America South America Central American population really began about 20,000 years ago with during the land bridge when you had a migration coming over the land bridge and and settling this part of the planet but in reality it turns out now that a lot of scientists believe that there were many migrations and many migrations before that primary migration 20,000 years ago in fact there may have been multiple migrations going back perhaps even 100,000 years ago so um is it possible that that our our society um was aware of these things maybe even interacted with these things in a certain fashion I'm sure it's possible absolutely it's possible I mean most of our history we have no idea about you know it's it's like it's like spending an entire day and having Amnesia except for the last five minutes before you go to bed you know right where the hell was I what was I doing what did I eat who did I speak to what did I say what I'm wondering is what you're referencing is written history and I'm curious about archaeological evidence that you're aware of ah so or that potentially exists interesting yeah so let me give you a real world example and I'm not going to either def refute or or defend it but again I live here in Wyoming um and there is a a legend here called the little people the peori mountains um and for Generations the the indigenous people have reported uh what appeared to be this fearsome pygmy Warrior tribe of humanoid type creatures that lived in the mountains and for many many many years it was completely um considered myth myth folkore right yeah folklore and it turns out that scientists began uncovering um artifact up in the mountains that uh to some degree reinforced the notion that there was some sort of uh small homid type creature U living in the mountains um they found uh small tools they found you know small bones um that appeared to be be be coming from some you know human human human like creature now I I don't know I don't know the details uh thoroughly I haven't had a chance to really really explore it or study it but that part is true um that that people are now beginning to look back and saywell wait a minute um is that possible because we're starting to find archaeological evidence um so you know it's it's interesting here I I can walk up into the Big Horn mountains and they're pulling out spearheads spearheads uh that are 11,000 years old now think about that for a minute 11,000 years old if that spearhead could talk what people did it come from what were they hunting what did this place look like you know environments changed in a blink of an eye look at the Sahara desert in 5,000 years you know there was a lot of wildlife living in the Sahara region before it became a desert and and that was in recent human history by the way we were inhabiting the planet when that happened there are are drawings on the side of rock walls that illustrate uh um Al alligators crocodiles if you will and and and animals that live not just on the Savannah but in the Wetland um all cohabitating there so so this Earth is very Dynamic um every time we have a you know for us it seems like a long time but every time we have an ice age every roughly 10 15,000 years the entire Topography of of Earth changes the climate changes animals change people change right um you know I I think it's I think it's very possible that that there is potentially some sort of archaeological evidence the question is would we recognize it if we saw it and that's another another big big question we have to ask ourselves you know um let me ask you this as a scientist Kurt if I said to you um Kurt you have a task um you can make it out of whatever you want any material you want your goal is to in a million years you have to create something now that will last a million years to prove you were here what would you do how would you do it think about it go ahead no no no no Let's do let's let's I I love you man but we're gonna we're going to have this mental exercise right now I think it's important and by the way it's not a trick question and I'm not playing gotcha just would give me just some examples that you might throw out there to say okay I would make something out of this or out of that there are some meta materials that seem to be harder than Diamond so whatever is our hardest material it would be made out of that also just so you know I don't classify myself as a scientist I I'm more of a hobby let's say so that's what I would do fair so you'd find some sort of hard material that would Outlast just about anything else on earth right where would you put that material where would you put it orbit as one place okay and hopefully non- retrograde orbit right so geosynchronous and hopefully nothing would perturb it in a million years chances are something would but okay hypothetically in orbit good um you know here on Earth it's really hard to make anything that lasts more than a few thousand years you can even make the pyramids and look at them now and say wow those things are 5,000 years old and you know they don't look so great and probably in another 5,000 years are not going to look good at all and they might last eventually till a hill of you might have a a little Hill of sand in 100 thousand years but that's going to be about it and that's made out of rock right Mount mhm more same thing it's going to be gone in in 10,000 years you won't probably even recognize it'll be too worn um even mountains in millions of years become deserts right um time moves on uh then you have the subduction zones of Earth that eventually if you wait long enough on on the surface of the planet it all gets recycled anyways it's all going to get you know suck down into the mantle and and get spit out the other end and and as new land so so nothing is indelible on this planet it's it's constantly changing and and to create something that can last the the sands of time so to speak is a lot harder than one might think you know the few examples we have here on Earth um that are man-made you can look to the pyramid you can look at things um like uh Stonehenge but that's a blink of an eye that that those aren't th that those were just made a few thousand years ago and they're not going to be around um you know for for a whole long lot of time that's just not the way Earth is so if we're trying to find some sort of of some sort of marker chances are you're not going to find it buried in the earth unless it only happened maybe the last 5,000 years ago or so right even some of the most most dramatic examples of terraforming let's look at for example uh the meteor impact Creator in in Arizona happened 60,000 years ago um that's already filling in you know in another 100,000 years from now you may not even know anything ever happened because of the processes of Earth and what this planet does um it's constantly erasing what's on the surface and it's constantly bearing What Lies Beneath deeper and deeper and deeper until eventually it you know it gets recycled so um you know that's that's a hard question you know what would last long enough for us to go back and say wow this is an indicator of alien life on this planet 100,000 years ago what would you have to do to to achieve that to accomplish that um it's a lot harder than one might think and then again would you recognize it U one might say well DNA DNA is a perfect example if you wanted to to do something that was enduring for Humanity that we could look back 100,000 years ago say yes that was absolutely manipulated by an intelligent life form well deoxy ribonucleic acid uh may be one way to do it you can put coding and sequencing in there that will perpetuate over time and time and yes you'll have some degradation over Generations but but in essence you could do something that way and basically it's a biological marker right so we have to be careful when we say we look for for evidence because evidence isn't just necessarily A spearhead found in the Big Horn Mountains from 11,000 years ago it's not necessarily a pyramid sitting in the middle of a desert it could be far more sophisticated than that you said put it in orbit right well what if if we put that rather than an orbit we put into the human body you know so anyways that's that's that's I know it's a very long-winded way to answer that question yeah let me ask a quick followup and then we'll get to Super Chat questions audience questions and so on are there places that we should be looking for evidence that you feel like we're not so for example I mentioned archaeological investigation sites the reason I brought that up is some people say craft were found okay but you're also saying there may be other markers maybe possibly biologically for example you know um near Earth celestial bodies like the moon where you don't have atmospheric friction you don't have the you don't have the tectonic processes that we have here on Earth that are constant recycling you know you know someone might want to put something on the moon um if you want to you know reminiscent of um what was it uh 2001 Space 2000 space 2001 Space Odyssey right where you have these these monolithic markers um that's certainly one way to do it you know you could put something uh where you don't have those those same um those same processes occurring where maybe you you could you might be able to extend your time twice as long for leaving some sort of arch logical evidence um the evidence could be right here could be right in front of us could be within genetic sequencing it could even be more obvious than that it could be very fact that we're alive and we're on this planet is is an example of of some intelligent life somewhere making a decision that life needs to exist on this planet um we need to be open to all of that we we really do I I think um we need to cast a very wide net and this is why always say all options have to be on the table until they're not on the table because you may be surprised um something that's super super intelligent probably isn't going to build a pyramid uh that's only going to last you know 20,000 years they're going to do something that's far more enduring something that will really be you know no kidding you know uh maybe years all right this question comes from Terry ruckert Mr so I gotta ask real quick Kurt I don't mean what what is forgive me and and I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this what is a super chat I hear it a lot what what's a super chat a well a Super Chat is when someone pays $5 $50 $100 sometimes most of these are $5 to $10 you'll get your check don't even say that cuz people are GNA believe it I'm not okay clear the Record Man y y I'm not getting paid a penny for this I know I'm kidding I'm kidding everyone and thank you so much for supporting thank you so much for supporting this podcast I tremendous I appreciated a tremendous amount it's not easy to do this full-time and this is like s this is a place where I have almost no knowledge in Lou as you could probably tell by the by the the the sophomoric nature of my questions Kurt I don't think anybody does you're not alone brother you think I do you think I have if I have all the answers don't you think we'd be where we are today no I've got more questions and answers but that's okay you know my fear is when people say they do have all the answers those are the people that I don't I don't trust because I know they don't you know I've been in this for a long time for the US government and I damn sure don't have all the answers you know so no don't don't don't worry about it okay let's get to the Super Chat by Terry Terry Mr alzando has called the UAP craft multiple times made comments about not knowing who is piloting them this seems like an assumption at least without proof does this mean there is proof let's call that evidence because proof in science doesn't exist that these are craft with Pilots well let's break it down Craft um craft is a is a noun it's a it's a physical object um that allows the transportation of of something from point A to point B um whether it's a hovercraft right or a spacecraft or an aircraft um you know it's it's a vehicle um you know and so what defines a vehicle Well Physical material there's there's something to it nuts and bolts um I've made it very clear already my opinion about um my my my assertion that there is material that is related to this topic that has been recovered um in the past that's that's all I can say about that but that's why that's why I use the term Craft um it's it's a maybe not the best term but to me it's it's fairly accurate at least until I can find another term that's more accurate as far as piloted or or man um I'm not sure Mann is the right way to way to say because you know that means there's a human behind it and we're not sure that's the case but being piloted uh or intelligently controlled well the way they maneuver and the way they respond to us um think of in the scientific World stimulus versus reaction um we can provoke and elicit responses from these things so you know Dave fraver said when I came in to close the gap on this thing this thing reacted to me first of all it pointed at me and then it maintained a safe distance and mirrored my mirrored my my Maneuvers um so there is some sort of intelligence behind it that's not random that's not that's not brownie in movement right that is that is that's a deliberate action by there's justification in calling it craft other than that there may bect and something or someone is is making a decision how these things perform and react so I think it's fair to say that there is some they are intelligently controlled craft of some sort now much beyond that um you know I think I think that's that's Up For Debate are there potential photos that exist that show occupants in some of these quote unquote craft well there's a lot of photos that show a lot of things the question is are they real are they legitimate um you know uh are there potential photos that have potentially deemed as legitimate that have that quality um there are very compelling photos out there that seem to show something inside some sort of occupancy and I'll leave it at that because it it's it's it gets really murky much beyond that um and there's a lot that can can be speculated and so I I try to avoid speculation as much as possible but yes um I've spoken to enough people firsthand knowledge that that um not only report the crafts that we we know exist but but potentially um some sort of of uh intelligence inside these these vehicles he's mentioned it get some murky murky as in low resolution or murky what do you mean by murky uh I mean in every every aspect um the source of the information how the information was obtained uh under what circumstances um resolution of photographic evidence all of it and so that's why we have to be very careful okay this question comes from James Shamy Ross coldheart said it would be good to offer a deal to those who kept the program secret they get some immunity in exchange for getting us the truth I think he referenced Truth and Reconciliation would you guys go back would you guys back a change.org style petition for this do you think that the others would like it absolutely I think R Ross is 100% correct I think we need to offer amnesty uh from from Criminal civil prosecution um if we want uh you know them to come out of the Shadows um you know there there there's lot of pressure right now and I'm sure they don't whoever is part of that cabal doesn't appreciate that type of pressure and so if we could offer some sort of uh yeah Truth and Reconciliation I think I think something to that effect would be very helpful in this cause and say look uh we're not going to label you in fact we'll give you anonymity and and confidentiality uh what we'll do is we'll if you provide us this information we'll make sure that kind of like a witness protection program uh except for you know no one will ever know you were part of this except for very few people um I I I think that's a great idea um I think I think that's what we should be doing you know Ross suggested in the previous interview a hashtag called NASA tell the truth and so we ran with that and part of that was tongue and cheek but then it had me wondering well what would be an effective way of getting this information disclosed quicker and more truthfully well NASA look you guys it's working NASA NASA is now starting to have conversations and and the director of NASA himself is beginning to to entertain questions about about this topic so so you know I I think that's great I don't think that's tongue and Chic at all it's working um you know I'd give yourself a big pat on the back because I just saw a headline two days ago where he's talking to talking with ABY lob and they're going to be having this conversation so you know hey look don't look now but you just achieve part of what you're trying to achieve thank you Lou what what would you recommend what's another Avenue so storm Area 51 is a horrible idea you're gonna get a bunch of young kids in trouble and and potentially really hurt and uh this person James recommended a change.org petition Truth and Reconciliation is also recommended by Ross what do you see as an efficient I think we also have to start continue to take an active role in our politics and voting people in who want transparency uh we have been victimized too long by our ignorance we have allowed people to get into the government that don't have our best interest at heart um that are motivated by politics and not diplomacy um and where information is traded like a commodity and so secrecy is is is something that is abused for the wrong reasons and I think that's that's problematic um there are some some points of light right now in Congress we see between Senator Harry Reid which is absolute American hero you have on the other side of the aisle Marco Rubio you have congressman gyo and Tim Brett and Walker and and some other folks now finally coming out and saying hey enough's enough um that's that's fantastic that that's that's how you make a difference and and and making sure that the general public goes to them and and and encourages them and tells them you know thank you for doing this um that goes a long way you know these people are taking a huge risk to have this convers ation and the more they hear from the public that it's okay to pursue this the more willing they're going to be be to do it and to have the conversation and it's working I just came back from DC myself I'm not going to say who I spoke with but but that goes a long way that that means a lot to them and it gives them the motivation in the top cover to start asking the hard questions and start poking the executive branch in the chest and saying all right what do you know about this and oh by the way Secretary of the Air Force Kendall with all due respect don't come back and say is not a priority just because you know we can't prove it's a threat or not that's like saying a submarine pops out of the pomac river next to Washington DC and because it's not wearing an American flag and you don't know if it's a threat it's not a priority that's the wrong answer um you know that's that's again with all due respect to secretary Kendall L we forget who you work for it's not up to you to decide what is a national priority let me remind you it's not your Air Force it's our air force and you're doing it a job we told you to do and if you don't want to do it or you are or unable to do it then we'll find somebody else who can and you can go back to doing what you were doing before um that's that's my word of advice you know I I paid my dues in the trenches and I I know what I what I swore to do and uphold um sometimes sometimes people in positions of of power need to be reminded of that by the People by the way so that's what you guys can do okay so right now we've covered some topics like Consciousness UFOs remote viewing Skinwalker all topics that would make the traditional skeptic scoff however it may be that there's a paradigm shift coming short form has compendious book summaries on the topics of UFOs Consciousness science philosophy spirituality and The Meta issue of anomalous data leading to radical reorientations of current scientific understanding such as Thomas Coon's the structure of scientific revolutions which is by the way the short form book 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be in the description his and Andy's asks great guy by by the way he's doing a lot of great work that's why great leading by the way because when you're asking what can you do that's a guy who's and like what you're doing is exactly what you you guys should be do it great great a tip focused on Military encounters did you ever come across cases where people had experienced High strangeness similar to that found on Skinwalker Ranch for example have any Pilots reported things like The Hitchhiker effect you know what a great question and I know oh my goodness I'm have to buy uh buy Dana beer for that one um great for by the way I he's putting me on the spot and and uh you know that's that's that's that's a great question um I want to answer this as accurately as I can without without without um giving anybody the wrong impression uh there's a reason why the six observable is biological effects okay um that by definition is high strangeness um people after an encounter [Music] experiencing certain physiological and psychological uh um things um again I I I I let me let me to put it succinctly yes but not not the same as as the Skinwalker Ranch um differences being well you know Skinwalker was looking at a lot of the the the the Paranormal aspects um as you say in the vernacular you know shape shifters and uh I gu was put on as ghost and and and you know Poltergeist and that type of activity whereas ATP was looking at nuts and bolts UFOs um but there there were some some some parallels um some people uh and the qu the problem is we don't know we really don't know enough about that um about the UAP issue to really to really speak cogently on that um people have had biological effects and that's just that's as far as we were prepared to go at the time U because that could be Quantified and qualified you you can look at physiology and morphology and you can look at things like that and you can look at at at tissues and things like that you can quantify and qualify the other stuff is a lot harder um especially anything dealing U with with the you know a psychological episode when I say psychological I mean in a bad way not like it's made up I mean everything we do is interpreted psychologically right it's there's a mental process that goes along with a with a physical experience um PTSD is a perfect example PTSD is very very real but it's a psychological uh response to a to a physiological and emotional type um situation and uh very much the same way you know people people will will process data differently um just like PTSD um and and no different in this topic you know you have people in some cases I've talked to who like Dave fraver just wants to get behind the wheel one of these things and learn how to fly it uh then you have other people who've been been been deeply and emotionally impacted by this and still carry that with them for whatever reason they've they've come up close and personal and um you know it's it's caused a it caused sort of conflict internally um I'll tell you a great guy a super super guy um he was on one of the episodes of um of unidentified and he he he carried the secret around he he told us chain of command he was up in Canada doing a a uh a maneuver with the United States and him his buddy uh were were situated fairly close to each other um guarding some you know ano field B like a Depot out the middle of nowhere and and encountered a UFO well they go to report it um but his buddy recants the story and says no it's all made up because of the the the the backlash that they received and and he always maintained the story and he was he was left out in the cold people thought he was crazy and he carried that around for a long long time until one day his buddy come out and and vindicate him he says you know what because I talked to the guy he said it was real every bit of it I was there but uh I didn't want to catch crap any longer so I recanted the story and and I left my friend out there to to to Flap in the wind so to speak and um you know it I that caused a lot of lot of I'm sure a lot of issues imagine you know being part of something extraordinary and then uh the person that saw with you telling the world nah you know we're just kidding we didn't really see it and you know you did and have to carry that for 20 30 years only to come back later his name is Dave marel uh he's a great guy if you ever get a chance to meet him I highly recommend you have him on your show U he carried that around his you know in his soul for for for decades and um you know you should ask him the type of of uh emotional cost um it it it took on him um you know people call you crazy people call you a liar people call all sorts of things only at the end to find out that you know what you were right and it did happen and the Witnesses were coming out now saying yeah it did happen um you know yeah there's there's you know you say hitchhiker effect I I you know some folks swear that once you have one of these encounters there's there's this hitchhiker effect and and now all of a sudden all sorts of weird things start happening to you in your family um you know there's an individual that I that I I'm very very very close to who was very senior in this effort um who at some point when it comes out of the Shadows you should probably have this conversation with that person um because they'll tell you absolutely yes but you know again I I I don't have any data that can be Quantified or qualified so I I I cannot speak definitively on it I think we have to remain open um that you know there's a whole lot of things that are possible and I know you said you don't have data that's quantifiable but I'm curious about this hitchhiker effect or the sixth observable is that associated with proximity to the craft or length of time looking at the craft like another variable damn what is associated with you're a great question man um let me take a pass on that for now I'll I'll let let me um that will be addressed um sure we'll get to Great question thank you we'll get to Scott Lin who said says there's some Latin and then says Lou I believe your service to God and Country will be understood more clearly in the history books are you aware of the cia's paper known as Adam and Eve event the Adam and Eve event how much of what is going on is currently related to this pending event I've heard of it but I don't know anything about it um I've always made it very clear up until recently I really haven't done much reading on this because I never wanted to have any type of bias uh um even even subconsciously people get mad at me well you know didn't you read this report didn't you read that report look I I read government reports man that's what I did that was my job and I didn't want to muddy The Waters by you know uh all these other things out there you know there's a lot of stuff that's interesting then there's a lot of stuff that's crap you know there's a lot of conspiracy BS out there that's just nonsense and garbage and then there's some stuff that's you know pretty pretty accurate um so I I I've heard of the Adam and Eve um if you will uh but I'm not um I'm not I'm not overly familiar with it so it wouldn't be really good for me to comment because I I don't know the details of it now if you can paraphrase for me I can give you my opinion on it um are you aware of of Kurt of that no I was going to get you to explain to the audience as well as myself yeah I'm not I wouldn't be the guy to do that um okay so Scott if you want please paraphrase it and then let's get back to it someone wants to know for those who maybe don't know what's the main difference between ASAP and atip what involvement if any did you have with ASAP well now I can talk about it because you know the guy came out um so uh Jim lassi is a great guy um super smart I've always said he's probably the greatest rocket scientist our government had at the time um incredibly brilliant gentleman um and also was one hell of a risk taker um so ASAP think of Ford Motor Company as AAP uh and they make a lot of models they make uh you know the Bronco they make uh the Crown Victoria they make the Mustang think of atip as the Ford Mustang it is a submodel built under within the Ford plant uh and it's a sports car um it's one of the many different lines there's that word sports car again sports car right Bob Lazar reference so what happens with oap when it think of a Ford Motor Company eventually going out of business for whatever reason um but the Ford Mustang is so popular that the Ford Mustang continues to be built under its own moniker and continues to be built as the Ford Mustang but there are no other there's there's no other cars now being built by by the by the it's just so the baby of and the parents died uh it's yeah so it started off look there would be no atip without ASAP and without Jim lassy that's a fact um but when that program went away a tip continued and that's why you have all the videos out there from the Roosevelt and all these other incidents that will be coming to light and continue to come to light because a lot was done under atip but it was military focused only we did not do civilian information at all it was military focused and um you know we we did have funding um I'll leave it at that you know I'm not gonna I'm not going to say anything to disparage my my good friend Jim Jim Jim uh is a good man and he's done a lot for this country um but you know I I can't speak for oap I can only and I've said that from day one as you notice I've always said said you know I can't speak for oap one day that guy will come forward and hopefully we can stand shoulder Tosh shoulder and he'll finally get the credit that he deserves um but uh you know ASAP wasn't a tip and a tip wasn't ASAP you know I was I was a tip he was assap and uh if you want to know more about you know the ASAP stuff you probably have to ask him okay now you mentioned the word woo quite a while ago and just so you know I don't firstly I don't use that word because that word is used disparagingly and also because much of what's considered pseudo science become science and also what you categorize as being paranormal depends on your assumptions of what normal is and we don't have a theory of everything so it's difficult to say given that what's your opinion on remote viewing and I believe you dabbled in that so I would like to know well I just like to know more about that okay so remote viewing is a um is defined as a human cognitive capability to uh observe things separated by space and time time in essence um uh I'm not going to discuss what um I've done in my my career I've done a lot of things in my career for my country um most of it as you probably agree has never seen the light of day and it's not really germine or relevant to to this discussion of UAP the UAP topic is only one aspect of my career and my service to my country um but the rest is private unless you know doesn't need to be um I don't think uh a discussion on on remote viewing has anything to do with with uaps or my time in the a program and I think it's just a distraction um and uh I'll I'll leave it at that okay so this question comes from awaf awaf Soul with the phenomenon being so evasive what level of confidence do we have that Global disclosure will be a net positive for engagement with it as an analogy we know Hornets exist but poking The Hornet's Nest is ill advised can you repeat that Kurt one more time that's that's I think that's a really if I getting it right that's actually really really interesting question so AWI Soul asks with the phenomenon being so evasive what level of confidence do we have that Global disclosure will be a net positive for engagement with it as an analogy we know Hornets exist but poking The Hornet's Nest is ill advised well let's define engagement is engagement the same as poking um I I don't think so uh International engagement is getting everybody on the same sheet of music about the topic it's not necessarily uh being provocative it's not necessarily poking quote unquote the Hornets Nest um what it is it's an acknowledgement that the Hornets Nest exists and that Hornets exist so we should probably understand them um I'm not I'm not uh at all advocating that we go and poke the Hornets now what I'm advocating is that we need to study the Hornet and we need to study where the Hornet lives and how it lives and it's relationship to its environment and ultimately it's a relationship to us if any I think the last time we spoke about trans medium that it would go from water to air back and forth is there any evidence of trans medium with respect to rock can it move through solid material I've heard people speculate that we haven't seen that but there are some there were some scientific models specifically a couple calculations um that I was privy to in math the mathematics specifically that indicate if you can get a certain number below a zero then then uh quote unquote it can cut through through Rock like butter um but I I don't I'm not I'm not a math expert and I'm certainly not gon to validate or verify that because I don't know all I saw were a bunch of numbers and letters of the alphabet put in front of me in a very long strain of what you know I presume to be valid equations um but I uh I I don't know you know math for me me was a minor I think I got up to Cal 3 and um you know true story I'll share this with you um sure you know I I I I appreciate math and and and and love certain aspects of math but I'm not necessarily great at math um and uh finally I was I going up to Cal 3 and my professor um my professor failed me the first time around so I had a chance to make it up and I go back to the same professor and by the way my professor really didn't like me very much and really I didn't take I didn't take it as seriously as I should okay um and so um time and time again I'd come in and I wouldn't do good on the test and uh finally I I told him I said look um I'm having I'm having a trouble here with this class he says yeah you are and he said look you're not really a really good I don't think this is for you that you're not a great student in in Cal 3 and I said no I agree with you but you got to pass me because I'm you know I'm I'm I'm making some decisions in my life and this is really the last class I need to graduate and he said well you know you're just you're just not making the standard and I said well and then you intimidated him with your muscles no on the contrary what I told him is that I I I said listen I I don't like being any here any more than you want me being here and I'll make you a promise um if you fail me again I promise you I will continue to be here and take your class every single day every single day until you retire that wow and he looked at me and he said so I guess we have a mutual understanding that you're just going to barely pass I said sir that's all I need I I I'm not looking for an a I just need to pass this class and I'll be out of your hair forever and he said okay we have an agreement then and that is I I I I I just barely passed ey class and um yeah it's either count two or count three and um we made an agreement he uh uh I wouldn't take calculus anymore for the rest of my life and um you know there you have it that number that was less than zero or could be less than zero do you happen to remember if it was mass uh I have no idea brother I know who who gave it to me I don't want to reveal that person right now let's forget about that you know honestly by the time they got through the whole whole my eyes had rolled in the back of my head about three times um and um they were obviously very excited about as I were writing these formulas down and so bam there's the answer I'm like H what where see for me math is what turns me on I love it no don't get me wrong I I wish I wish I I I absolutely love math it's it's just doing it that for me is kind of kind of challenging um okay so alien alcoholic asks potentially have there been biological samples recovered from Craft let's rephrase that question have there potentially been biological samples recovered yes I'm not going to exp anymore right right right so let's forget about the craft and and be careful when I say that I'm being purposely very open and vague at the same time right what does that mean well it means what it means senu Bean has he ever considered that when the UAP changes direction or speed it may be warping space time like the like certain warp drives I'm sure you've heard of that way the space time around the UAP is Warped and so it's not technically moving and thus the biological entities if there are one or any wouldn't feel G forces have you considered that essentially is what senzu is yeah it's right on the money except for except except for it is moving but it but that the principles of what the question is are right on the money yes and then I just wanted to say I always love when people say this at the end hopefully my question makes sense as I'm not a native English speaker kind regards hey man your question makes complete sense you know what he speaks better English or she speaks better English than most most English speakers so congratulations I understood the question perfectly and and it's a great question and yeah okay so this question comes from Steve cambian of Truth Seekers and I'll put a link to his podcast in the description given the debate about your involvement with atip and your actual role would you be able to prove your lead leadership role by releasing tax forms tax forms in short could you simply release your tax form tax forms to approve your employment leadership role and your salary for those years of course I could but tax forms just tell you you were you were working at a particular office that's all it does um and of course then you know you you start people start looking at your your salaries and start you know making all sorts of inferences the bottom line is that the government has already validated and verified that I work uh within the usdi um the Senator Reed has already validated work on on atip um you had the spokesperson for the Pentagon Dana White under um under secretary Mattis already verify that I was working a tip you have Jim laty verifying I worked in r a tip you have I mean the list goes on and on and on and on no I'm not going to get into a tip for Tat um you know if if you don't want I mean that on the world's greatest Clairvoyant because everything I've talked about has come to fruition to include the release of the videos on the 1910 with my signature on it both are remarkable I mean at this point if if if people still question that then you know I don't know what to tell you um you know go get a hobby you know no I'm not I'm not going to sit here at this point in time uh you know there's an IG evaluation and investigation specifically because of of how they mishandled this and then they come out and they say oh by the way we deleted all lose emails I mean if you're that much of a sucker and you actually you know still at this point are are are at all questioning what my role is then you know I don't want to tell you sorry okay this question comes from Ena Eder question for Lou what can we do personally to prepare ourselves and perhaps even others for a post disclosure world are we taking a break you need to no no actually I was trying to find an email that I that never mind I I had an email that I've never sh but I was about to say here boom how's that for proof but no don't worry about it I don't even want to get into that it's you know what we'll talk about that potentially I'm not going to satisfy anybody's at this point questioning you know it's all that is is and by the way as time goes on even more evidence is coming so you know you find it to be a distraction and a waste of time we have much greater issues well and at this point it's it's just insulting it's like dude I can't think for you at this point I mean if at this point you're you're still on the fence on that then you know find something else to do because it's yeah it it's it I it would be like seeing Obama's birth certificate and then saying that he's still from Kenya he'd be like what more do you want from me yeah it's like dude what more do you want you have the guy who ran the program the senator himself saying I ran it I mean you had the Pentagon saying now you have 60 Minutes who by the way backed it up with General Mattis himself I'm like what more you want I mean you want a video of me going in out of the office when I was there well you're not going to get that you know sorry um you know unfortunately there's a lot of people out there that are still I I consider agent provocators they're just trying to to to confuse the situation and for whatever reason you know I mean rather than looking at the last four years to say wow look how far we've come you know they rather go back and and you know it's have you heard of Angelie I have okay see people keep telling me to look her up and then many other people keep saying don't bother she's way out there which also makes me want to look her up even further and I think I've been on some polls and you've been on some polls is who should she take with her as a representative or as one of several representatives for the planet Earth well I never said I'd go with her first of all so I don't know why someone's using my name you know in a poll without my permission saying that you know they'll take me anywhere you know I no one's taking me anywhere unless I want go somewhere um two um you know the old saying extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence um you know nothing would make me happier if she can you know take somebody to a magic cave underground and and have communication with the with another life form um but if that's the case then what are you waiting for why I go now just bring a camera crew go now you don't need to make a big deal of this um just go and do it and prove it you know this we've seen this in the community so many times before with people making these bold claims and you know man I really hope I'm wrong I'd love to eat my hat you know I'll be the first one there's an old saying we have you know if if I'm wrong I will kiss her butt in front of Macy's window um I I nothing would make me happier than that uh than to to that to be true but everything about how this is unfolding doesn't seem doesn't seem legit to me um it seems showbo you know when you have someone sitting on a chair with well anyways you I don't want look I don't want to be judgmental enough people are judgmental about me I know how it feels you know I I want to give Angelie a fair Shake but but you better produce because if you don't you got a lot of people riding on this and all you're going to do is hurt the cause you know with some outlandish claim like this if you can't prove this outlandish claim all you are going to be responsible for is being another one of those people that are that are tin foil hat and the reason why this topic was never taken seriously so add yourself to the list if if you can't if you can't deliver when I looked at her and I didn't look at her much I just saw a couple videos I didn't sense any dishonesty but I didn't have a I didn't have anything like a close Gander let's say so you sense some Grand standing or show boting no no look I'm not gonna I'm not going to judge anybody I'm not I'm not I'm just simply saying that you know if you've got extraordinary claims like that you you've got to deliver you've got a responsibility now and and you better not have an excuse not to deliver that all right so this question comes from AA Eder I believe that's how you pronounce this person's name what can we do personally and even societally to prepare ourselves and others for a postdisclosure world I'm not sure we need to prepare at all I think we're perfectly prepared I I have faith in in human beings that we will look at this from a rational perspective you know we are our Paradigm is challenged every day uh we just have uh in the media um you know China launch a Hypersonic cruise missile around the world um you know that's that's a change in the way we we we we we see ourselves um especially with with potential foreign adversaries we have our paradigms change every day um people are told that they have cancer every day people are told that spouses are cheating on them every day people are told that they're pregnant and are going to have kids every day people are told about uh the death of a loved one every day um we're human beings that's part of life um I think um I'm not sure there is anything we can do to prepare um I think just just be ourselves and be willing to ask the the hard questions and and uh have the patience to to to find the answers you know let's not be so quick to to jump into some sort of preconceived narrative just because it makes us feel good right because we all want we all want to understand things that we don't we all have this natural fear of things we can't understand um we must be tempted not to create an artificial narrative um just so we feel better we we need to really explore this for what it is and and have the courage to do so um that would be my advice okay I need to urinate do you need to use the washroom uh I will if if you have time I mean I don't know how your let's just get going I'll you sure put yeah I'll this off and turn off the audio well I'll keep mine on not that I plan on necessarily going here but I actually have a bathroom I'll use people like that be right back folks thanks all right okay for those who are in the chat don't worry if you've super chatted and I didn't get to your question because I'll read them all at the end and I will also prioritize them for the next time when I speak with Lou provided he's generous enough to speak with me again two hours later all right Kurt I'm going to give you some some some hell here I know you didn't have time to go to the bathroom and wash your hands in that that okay I'm extremely quick I I hey you put me on the spot man at least I should be able to put you on the spot a little bit too all right okay let's see by the way these are some really good questions I really appreciate it yeah questions that people haven't asked me before yeah man really good by the way let me also cave youat here you're going to get I do have some people that really don't like me and I'm sure they're going to take out that uh that hatred on you so I apologize ahead of time if anybody is screaming at you I got some I got some uh some haters in my Camp um that uh tend to be rather vocal so I I I hope they're not driving you too crazy no I've got uh nice little vocal I almost well I call them my my my chorus because uh I know every time I come out and say anything like on this show uh that chorus is going to come out any minute now and uh I can I can already hear them uh you know warming up their their voices the last time we spoke there were two comments that you said that stood out to me one was the somber the somber her around the world in a sense and then you clarified that or you added to that by saying sobering oh I was wondering we can get to that and then also you mentioned that the charlatans of the world will be shown to be charlatans I again don't know much about this UFO Community but people in the comments were saying did he mean Steven Greer so why don't you comment on that you can be as diplomatic as you like I know that you're you're relatively diplomatic person yeah let me um let me start with by by somber or sobering um imagine imagine everything you've been taught whether it's through Sunday school or through regular formal education in school or what our political leaders have told us and yes even maybe our mothers and fathers around the dinner table have told us or maybe at bedtime um about about who we are right and our background and our past um what if all of that turned out to be not entirely accurate in fact the very history of of of our species um the meaning what it means to be a human being and our place in this universe what if all that is now in question what if it turns out that a lot of the things that we thought were one way AR are are we prepared prepared to have that honest question with ourselves are we prepared [Music] to to recognize that we're not at the top of the food chain potentially that we're not the alpha predator that we are uh maybe somewhere in the middle um you know it's it's interesting because I was having discussion with a friend U not too long ago a really really we call them gray beards in in in the the government really really smart guy I'm not going to mention his name but but I was talking to him probably a couple months ago and this is a guy who was always paid to solve the hard problems for the US government Cold War how do we solve that right how do we do these big big things how do we go in and and uh and and beat the Russians at their own game um so this guy I respect tremendously and and we had a conversation he said you know Lou um Mankind's been around for a little while and for most of that time Mankind's been around we've been smack in the middle of the food chain we've been um you know we we we ate a lot of things a lot of things ate us and that's just the bottom line and about 70,000 years ago something fundamentally changed something changed and and our species was instantly catapulted to the very top of of our planet as far as predatory animals and um and now all of a sudden we became the most feared um we we we were the most lethal um and the most successful in fact uh most of the large species that that that existed on this planet went extinct because of us believe it or not because we we eating all of it um there were a couple species that did very very well with our Ascension our immediate Ascension and we brought a couple species with us the dog is an example where the dog species benefited greatly with Mankind's Ascension as the alpha predator and and and W up succeeding as well very doing very well off of that that changed the the entire Global landscape of our planet um almost overnight large animals went extinct um because of us what if it turns out that there's another species that um is is even even even higher on on the on that on that ladder than we are um do we need the social institutions that we have today will we need governmental and and religious organizations that we have today if it turns out that um there is something else or someone else um that is that is uh technologically more advanced and and perhaps from an evolutionary perspective more advanced um have we been wasting our time all this time or are we doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing um are we are we does it turn out that mankind is is in fact just another animal in the zoo or because we thought ourselves as a zookeeper before but maybe we're just another exhibit inside the zoo what would that mean to us so so when I say sombering and sobering uh I mean that it's it you know there's come a point in this conversation where we're going to have to do a lot of reconciling with ourselves whatever that means from whatever philosophical background you you have um this is going to impact every single one of us the same and yet equally and yet differently um and I think that's important um you know do we find ourselves in a situation where history may have to be Rewritten um so that's what I meant now as far as the charlott I'm not going to give any attention to individual charlott because they already have enough attention they know exactly who I'm referring to these are individuals who have have have made a a cottage industry a career of taking people's hard-earned money and deceiving them and not only deceiving them but having them sign non-disclosure agreements to make sure they don't tell the world that they've been deceived and praying upon people who who who for whatever reason believe in them um uh people who say my narrative is the only narrative and anybody else who tells you otherwise um you know is trying to hurt you I have all the answers I have the solution anybody who says that I think um I think it's a charlatan and and I think we need to be very very mindful of that they're very dangerous uh and they're dangerous for several reasons because if they're lying to you about that they're probably lying to you about other things in their life their past life and their current life uh which may or may not come to light at some point um these are people who who have taken advantage of people for a very long time and uh you know you you have to be careful you know what else are the motivations of some of these charlatans or potentially could be in their motivation other than financial well look at any religious charlatan it's the same thing cult it's a cult of personality it's somebody who for whatever reason thinks it's all about them and and they manage the narrative it's it's it goes to the to the basic core of Pride and ego in human beings um and narcissistic behavior you know real true deep psychological issues um some sociopathic to be honest with you um is there any gold in that Rubble I'm sorry is there any gold in that Rubble as in is all of what they're saying some of these charlatans we don't have to name names I no I think I think I think there's always there's always fibers of Truth in in in a in a blanket of Lies um because that's that's what holds it together there are some there are some aspects of Truth the problem is um when you take that truth and you distort it you know there's people in history that that we very good at convincing large amounts of people that they have the answer right um I don't need to go back into into history to say which ones those are but you have characters like Jim Jones um Heaven's Gate is an example um you know even Hitler to some degree where where they were very charismatic people who who got people in in this this web um and they didn't realize it until it was too late and um you know I I just think when you're when you're creating all these shell organizations and passrs and and paying people off to do things for you to deceive other people I think is problematic again I'm not going to say I'm not going to mention names I I I I I think most people are smart enough to see through it my concern are those people who who already already sucked into it it becomes a cult and becomes brainwashing and and manipulation and that's my concern because it gives a terrible name to the to the to the effort and and making false accus ations um you know I I think is is there's an old saying and if I can remember it that um ye be careful of the knife ye uses to stabbath the back of others for surely that knife will be used against you in the future or at some point so you know um anyway being just you know right karma karma is a be careful you know Mother Nature has a vote she's got a way of always uh squaring things up at the end and um you know that's that's what I've seen anyways remember earlier I was asking you what can we do as a culture I think based on some of your statements what we can do is something like we've already been doing which is keep talking about it so that we can destigmatize it I know that I particularly like the word destigmatization I think it's been taken by certain people but essentially to destigmatize however there does seem to be the tendency from those who are believers in or who are part of the UFO Community who deride people like see Neil degrass Tyson and other Skeptics deride the UFO community and I don't think they should do that but then I also don't think that they should be met with condescension as well because I think that that comes back at you I think that love and extending an arm in an olive branch is what will Kurt you're right you're absolutely right let me let me if I may that's that's a good point let me talk a little bit about uh Mr Neil degrass Tyson first of all I I he's one of the few shows that I used to watch a lot um I loved his perspective and let's talk about his background you know this is a person who was a bit of a Maverick he he he cut his teeth and became really made his bones by by by supporting and defense defending a theory that really was a hypothesis at the time an outlandish hypothesis and that was there were these super massive objects in our universe that were so dense that they created a gravity well they created a black hole in SpaceTime where light itself couldn't even escape and although we can't see it uh directly we can't prove its existence we think they're there right now a lot of the scientific Community said it's hogwash you know it's it's just it's a theoretical anomaly that that isn't real and yet Neil Degrassi Tyson did exactly that he he he supported the hypothesis and theory that there are these things you'll never be able to see with a naked eye but they fundamentally uh they're there and they're hundreds of millions of Lighty years away well it's funny because that same Spirit used to to to prove something you can never see that is there for some reason he seems to have forgotten that in this topic because we're talking about the same thing we're talking about something that is hard to see directly sometimes um but we can we can see its impact on on the environment around it uh and to some degree maybe you know warping space time and but it's not hundreds of millions of miles away it's right here and and I don't understand how you can support in one hand the the the scientific study and Research into something called a black hole and and not be open-minded to to something like UAP it it to me that the it's um it's the same thought process now um going back to what you say as far as ridiculing them no we shouldn't ridicule them uh what we need to do is help them see the the contradiction in their argument and not in a mean spiteful way either um you know I think we need to have a conversation because we need people like Neil grassy Tyson we need people to to to who are very smart to look at this problem and not just reject it because of of of stigma taboo but the problem with the scientific Community today is that they've rejected science instead favor of scientism and scientism is no different than any other religion it's where you are so married to the scientific methodologies that you no longer can accept new hypothesis and theories um and you reject them flatly and I think that's problematic because as I've said before every single principle of science today whether it's a theory or a law of science that we accept as just normal part of everyday life in science started off as someone's wacky zany idea way back when everything and so I don't understand how we continue to find ourselves in the same hole every time we keep saying well now and that's impossible but damn it every time you say that we get proven wrong why haven't you learned your lesson you know haven't you taken your notes from from from the US patent office when when they said that bold claim that you know now now everything in the world has been invented in a few years for a US patent office anymore I mean how shortsighted can you possibly be that's that's the antithesis of scientific Pursuit and Endeavor and I think you know if you were to ask me my true feelings on this which again I don't offer very often science and religion when you are standing at their base they could not be any F farther apart think of a pyramid going to the Great Pyramid of Giza and standing on one side of the pyramid and say this is science and then walking around all the way to the other side of the pyramid and say this is Faith this is religion and the two could not be further apart from each other and yet when you start to climb that perod ah I see say on which other side you go on they start to get closer and closer together in fact at some point at the very top the difference between science and religion are indistinguishable um they are they are not mutually exclusive in fact uh they they uh they are together they're one they're one and the same and in fact I think part of the problem is that in science and in faith we're asking two fundamental different questions this is why the two don't get along uh down at the base of the pyramid um this why they seem so opposite because one is asking how and the other is asking why and they're two different questions and that's why the two don't seem to be don't seem to comport with one another but ironically enough the further you go up the ladder the more you realize they actually require each other they actually lean on each other actually support each other and and at the very top there's there's no difference between science and and and and religion they they they they become one and they support each other I think anyways that's that's my perspective from from what I've seen in life you know you mentioned a phrase It's a phrase I don't particularly like it's that I say a lot of things that people don't like so I I I apologize Kurt ahead of time no no it's I apologize if I'm about to offend you it's extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence the reason I don't like that it's because like Neil degrass Tyson any skeptic will say that to any claim that they've already deemed as being untrue and even Dr Brian keading who is a is a a friend and he almost won the Nobel Prize he's an experimentalist physicist he said I don't ask my graduate students go find the extraordinary evidence it's not a different class of evidence that's called extraordinary also what's the extraordinary evidence that any of us are conscious there's actually zero zero evidence that you can point to scientifically outside of what people say and then well what are you going to take what people say well you could just ask a computer or you conscious and so on so on so that's why I don't particularly like that yeah I think you're well I I don't disagree with you I I I think that's a really good point um I think I was taking it more in the venacular right so if you're going to say something has been substantiated by observation over and over again multiple times to substantiate xal 3 right and now you're going to come out and say no actually xal 4 then you are going to need evidence that is beyond what it currently is available to prove that because all the evidence right now is suggesting xals 3 and yet now you are claiming x equals 4 well that is a it is by definition extraordinary the ordinary claim being x equals 3 right in simple algebra but now you're making an extra or Beyond ordinary claim that X does not equal 3 4 so therefore you're going to need Beyond ordinary evidence beyond what showing xals 3 to prove now your theory that x equals 4 and so from my perspective when I say extraordinary you know uh claims requires extraordinary evidence I don't necessarily mean um perhaps the way a lot of people mean I just mean it's beyond it's like the word normal versus paranormal it it it by definition extraordinary EXT extraordinary um but I see your point and I think you're right I think I think part of the problem is that we we get too comfortable in in in the current understanding of of uh of our current Paradigm and we're not willing to challenge uh with sometimes very simple things you know um case in point is I just had this conversation not too long ago publicly about fractals you know they've been in front of us all along ever since we were living in caves and yet it's only recently we realized that that may be part of the secrets of the universe right that that fractals exist everywhere uh they they they exist physically they exist uh from a uh from a even a psychological perspective the way we we we we relate to one another um and and it's been in front of us all it's obvious it's you know it's not really extraordinary at all it's it's actually blatantly obvious and we just never saw it um so yeah that's a good point I I think you're right and and maybe I need to rephrase that in the future um I'll consider that because I think you you may be right maybe maybe maybe that's not entirely good way to to go about it you know extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence maybe maybe we're Beyond that in a conversation so great thank for sharing that with me and no by the way you did not insult me at all in fact yeah I I appreciate that a lot thanks man ruter router or however you pronounce this I'll leave the name in the description says great show can you ask Lou the following based upon what you've learned Lou would you consider yourself to be an idealist or a materialist and if you are unsure what those words mean let me know know they are um is there an option C which would be what mix can it be both or neither um that's something I've been wondering is there a duality between those two there's plenty of dualities in math and physics where you think it's the option between two but turns out that they're equivalent ways of describing a system yeah exactly I'm not sure it's either or I'm not sure they're mutually exclusive I think you know I I my background was science um you know in in in in science I found my Solace which I enjoyed um you know I I grew up kind of a kind of a angry young kid had some some tough times as a kid um but but science to me was um it was unwavering she was always there for me she never lied to me and so uh I I get lost in science and um you know I I I I I do believe in the scientific method um it works it's only it's I mean is a perfect no but it's it's the best thing that we got right now that we know uh to test and apply theories um but at the same time you know there's something more you said about human consciousness you know can't prove it there's no no mathematical formula no physical evidence to prove Consciousness and you know here we are having a conversation so um I think I don't think I don't think the two are mutually I don't consider myself a materialist or an idealist um like I said it's you know one I make fun the fact that I you know I said I love Humanity it's humans I don't like right um how is that possible right because humanity is a collective of all the humans and yet uh but um probably a little bit of both probably a little bit I think there's an indelible aspect to the human being that is um that transcends physicality um you know we have a we have a body obviously and we have a brain and our brain is inextricably tied for metabolic processes to survive to the body the heart has to pump blood get blood to the brain otherwise the brain dies and in the same respect the brain is regulating all the autonomic processes for the body so you know breathing which is automatic thank God for most of us anyways uh and uh and and heartbeat and and and temperature and whatnot so the the the brain is a biological organ uh organ that is inextricably tied to the overall vehicle which is the body and that's organic as well but there's probably something more to the human being there's probably something more that is um not necessarily physical U because a computer has a processor computer has a body right the laptop I'm talking to you on right now and it's got a processor that's thinking if you will for the computer but it's not a conscious living being it's not a sentient being so the question is what is that extra component that extra ingredient that makes us human that makes us a living breathing not only animal but truly human what separates us from everything else on this planet and there's that third ingredient can be described potentially in in cultures as the soul or the ID or the chi you know put your num dour you want on there but I think a lot of people agree that there's something different um case in point that the the the notion of Love um you can't really describe it it's hard to describe you can't see it you can't touch it and taste it but it's there and it motivates a lot of people's actions in fact love to some degree actually works against individual survival and yet a mother's instinct to throw herself in front of a train to save her child is almost reflexive um you know there's something there that recognizes the value of human life human dignity um I could be in a car accident and and and lose use of my arms and my legs but I'm still L Alando um I could suffer a traumatic brain injury and and um have a severe TBI and be mentally impaired but I'm still Lou alzando what makes Lou alzando Lou is is something a little bit different something that you can't really put your finger on and so back to this Duality you know materialist versus of you know idealist I'm probably a little bit of both because I believe in science but I also know that there's limitations to science and there's limitations to human beings and there's limitations to you and me and everybody else and and that's okay and that that there's aspects to to Being Human that are probably potentially more human than human to use an old cliche so um great question if I if I can ask you Kurt a question I've never asked you just take a break here for a minute and ask you what got you into this why why why did you want to get into this topic and have this conversation with your background um I I I mean I I suspect you have your your reasons but I'd love to know why originally I was what people would categorize as an adamant atheist and that was recently too just a few years ago and I'm not saying I'm a theist now but I'm not an atheist and just so you know some atheists will say they don't believe in God because well the concept of God is volutin and amorphous how do you pin it down well then technically say you're an atheist because you can't be anti what's cloudlike without yourself being Cloud likee you can't be against nothing so so either way I was speaking with someone who told me no aliens exist and I gave him my standard Spiel which well why do they look like us it's two humans it came out the the reports of aliens Spike every time there's a movie so it seems culturally related the standard skeptic response yeah anthropomorphism Etc yeah right and also look given our exponential curve for technological IC progress why do these crafts seem all alike now of course they're Vari they're varied in terms of shape and size but still they're recognizable as craft and if you're let's say you're coming from a planet far away then even if you were to travel there time has you can travel there instant almost instantaneously but thousands of years may have passed and so then your technology would have increased so I had the standard skeptical response and then he said Kurt just watch this just he sent me a few videos and I watched them and then I was I think I've said this before if I have any skill it's not math or physics it's body language I watch people's body language like a hawk and I can tell when they're insecure about a certain aspect of what they're saying when they don't feel intelligent enough when they feel intimidated when they feel like they have to well you can continue on the list and I didn't see deception in what I saw and so that got me interested and I decided to speak to Jeremy Corbell because I was a filmmaker I still categorized myself as that and he was one and still is so I was like okay let me speak to Jeremy he has a movie on Bob Lazar and since then well I've been interested in it because of the physics but I'm also interested in the Deep Mysteries of the world and it seems like it seems like UFOs tie in to them and if even if they don't it's still incredibly informing so that's my interest in it and luckily or unluckily I don't have a scornful despising mind like most of the scientific Community I I don't look upon this subject with ridicule in in fact I I don't particularly like when people ridicule other people I think it it I think that's an indication they should examine themselves for what they're holding to be a self-evident truth and question their own motivations for believing in it because if there's an emotion attached to it then there's some unconscious motivation for holding that belief that isn't purely a dispassionate assessment of the evidence so that's my reason very well said let me let me ask you a further question if I may that not that I'm interviewing you but sure this this is it's actually a question for your audience too but but I can't talk to your whole audience other than addressing you so I'll address you um you know we look in terms of everything from a humanistic perspective and we want to make sense from nonsense it's just kind of in our DNA right um when we are talking about the topic of UAP I think everybody deep down inside has this innate desire for it to quote make sense put it in a neat little box and it makes sense to us the problem is the more we talk about uaps the more we exchange ideas and then the more we begin to formulate our own opinions about uaps and so what happens when the topic of UAP the truth doesn't comport because we're all doing this right now subconsciously subconsciously every person does it you are we are creating these little boxes that we want to check off regarding this topic of it's from outer space it's from inter Dimension it's this and they want this and they can do that and they can do to they that's interesting um and we are building those boxes without even realizing it so when we ask the questions we're actually asking the questions in a way to fill those to check those boxes that we've already made up psychologically in our brain and our subconscious right but we have to avoid doing that and it it's it's so natural that we don't even realize we're doing it how do we avoid the temptation to ask really the big [Music] question without without being tempted to fill in the little boxes you know a lot of the questions your your your wonderful audience has asked may not even realize but they're trying to fil check those boxes that they've made for themselves in their brain they they've preconceived these little boxes that they must have an answer to this box because this box then relates to this and this and this and this gives me a big overall picture and answer that I'm looking for but but what if this is even far more bizarre than that that how do we how do we ask a question to something we don't even know what questions to ask meaning maybe maybe maybe we're asking maybe maybe it's not even in the realm of our ability to really get to the root of this because we're looking at everything from a human perspective human motivation human interest human desire fears um you know what if it's something completely different and and so in essence we need to avoid creating these little boxes prematurely in our mind um which is hard because we're that's what we do as a species in everything that we do right you know uh take dating for example when you go on a date with somebody what's the first thing you do say well do I like them are we compatible do we like the same things do we like to eat the same same dietary you know am I a vegan they're a meat eater you know these little boxes that we put in our brain you know um already before you even ask a question we have these these little voids up you want to fill and and the question is how do we how do we avoid that Temptation how do we how do we pull our elves out of a human Paradigm to ask the questions that maybe aren't human questions at all I don't know so I just offer that up to you because that's a great Point there's a term for that it's called enames have you heard of that no no please explain people in the audience it's just an unstated assumption you don't realize you're making it when you're asking a question or putting forward a statement so for example let's imagine worms they see humans and they just conceive of humans as Godlike then they would ask well they must eat the best dirt what dirt do they eat they don't realize they're asking the wrong question exactly precisely what my point is so what what do you call it enam enam so e n e n t h y m m e if you want a fun physics one which I could say in like 20 seconds Ed Whitten so one of the world's greatest physicists said there's no such you can't no go theorem so you can't have a particle that has that that is massless and has greater than half spin and also carry a charge that's Lawrence covariant which means follows Einstein's equations okay which seems like it means there's no such particle as a graviton because graviton has mass sorry has spin two and is massless okay however this unstated assumption that you don't realize and even Ed Whitten didn't realize he was making it was that the graviton is in the same space time and so this is one of the reasons that there's this ads CFT correspondence where you have holography you've heard of the holographic princi yeah absolutely sure sure because it seems like well there's a correspondence between CFT so conformal field Theory and then having gravity on the boundary of that or vice versa so the bound so gravity could be somewhere else and there's a correspondence between those correct correct correct but it's actually extremely tricky to extract that from the statement that you can't have a particle that is of greater than spin half and massless and so on and so on it's it's difficult to see the assumption that in that statement so that's what an enemy is yeah yeah that's fantastic yeah that's uh I appreciate that thank you Kurt for sharing that that's that uh that if anything that was worth totally me here appreciate that I'm just I feel so relaxed with you and I'm so I'm so honored that you're spending some time with me man well it's it's Collective right I mean you got a great audience you're asking great questions and and I feel that you know I almost feel like this is like a fireside chat if we could all just be sitting together out here in Wyoming you know evening around a fire this is a exactly what I'd be spending my time doing um yeah you know this is this is I wish I could do this more often um I really do unfortunately you know much of my my time is uh is committed to to other endeavors within this effort but um I think this is important because ultimately look we're going to solve this mystery together all of us and this isn't going to be up to L it's not going to be up to C it's not going to be up to you know Greer or anybody else uh it's it's it's up to to all of us um and uh you know that old that old uh that old saying what was it I saw it recently somebody a couple things I saw one really neat on the internet um you know with with somebody who was being angry and someone said come let us share smoke at the fire you know by the fire sold uh kind of an indigenous you know uh proverb right saying hey let's let's let's share smoke at the fire let's let's put our let's stop grinding the axes let's let's put our differences aside let's let's let's come together um I like that another thing too by the way I don't know who does it it's completely off topic and random but I'm gonna since I got a little bit of time here I'm going to say it anyways there is an artist uh that has been drawing me and I gotta tell you I don't know if he likes me or hates me but man it is amazing artwork man this this this person has somehow managed to capture it's kind of like a comic book style um and you usually draws me with these little beady eyes I don't know I don't know I you know I I I I've seen it a few times um you know it's uh it it's I don't know if it's like a Japanese anime style it's it's really unique though yeah and uh again I don't know they if they're if they hate me or or they love me or IND differenter I'm pretty sure it's it's a positive feeling they wouldn't SP man I got to tell you really really talented artist man I actually screen grabbed a couple of those and just saved and and showed my wife I said man look at this this is really clever you know um one of them is uh it's I guess joking leave you know all the work I've done in the government and then all of a sudden now I'm being assigned a UFO program and there's this kind of you know reaction which actually wasn't too too far from the truth uh but just really really talented so big shout out to whoever whoever you are out there um you know again whether you're you're a fan or a hater know that uh know that I'm you're a fan either way so so you're very very talented at artwork if you find the person's name or person if you are watching this just leave some comments and I'll put your link in the description as well okay I got to get to some more Super Chat and audience questions they're eager do-it-yourself craft Q asks what's his take on alien abduction experience they're interesting they're fascinating but uh they're just that they're an experience um and with every person who talks about uh you know how how these things may be here for peaceful purposes and you know just because they've never uh attacked us means that they're they're benevolent there's just as many people who are terrified and and Report the opposite experience um you know I've said this before for record look if if you take a member of my family against their will somewhere that's kidnapping uh and God forbid if you touch them now that's assault you know both are criminal um uh offenses um and from my perspective I don't care what your intent is bottom line so I I I if abductions are happening um well the ab Award of abduction itself is a criminal act right it's kidnapping um it's not taking you on a date it's abduction um if that indeed is happening um the problem is it's very hard to quantify and qualify um that that aspect of the conversation because at the end of the day you're just relying on eyewitness test Tony there's no gun camera footage there's no radar data to suggest that it's just someone's personal experience and when you do that you have to consider all sorts of stuff um you know you have to you're now talking about aspects that involve psychology uh aspects that inol aspects that involve sociology and aspects that uh involve philosophy um you know we all interpret data differently um as beings um processes occur differently in our brains and biochemically even so it's very hard to to do anything with that data from a military perspective from a DOD perspective because um you know I witness testimony is one thing and even that's tricky sometimes but when you start talking about experiences physical experiences from people and and they vary so much in some cases and some cases they're similar um there's not a whole lot I can do with that data so although it's extremely interesting fascinating in fact um it was never really a core part of our our research and AGP um again because scientifically it's very hard to quantify and qualify and there's there's nobody else that can that can say yes I saw this person there's a few small anecdotal examples here and there where people say yeah I saw the person disappear or something like that but that doesn't help us we need we need more information or more data you know know um I will tell you no actually no I'll wait sorry next time next time yeah next time yeah uh there it it's it's interesting someone asked about why is it that we have cattle mutilations predominantly we don't hear much about sheep and chicken and so on is there oh yeah okay so this a hicko that's right hicko asks why is it not on other livestock well I'm sure there's a minor amount but why is it predominantly on cattle or at least predominant we hear about it on cattle yeah we don't know why um it could be something as simple as just you know the Bine genetic sequencing it could be the fact that uh you can put a genetic Tracer in an animal and and and follow the the natural mutations of the genetic sequencing uh the genotype and phenotype uh manifestations um over time um you know if I were to let's say in the 1950s put a marker specific marker in in in in a in a specific uh her cow uh or head of cattle and then cattle and then then watch as that that genetic marker changes over time um you know there's all sorts of things you can you can find it could also be that certain animals are like canaries in a in a in a in a in a mine they're just they seem to be more sensitive to whatever reason to to environmental changes or something to that effect and so you know that is the animal of choice um you know we don't really know and and there's still a lot of debate on what what that is of what culations are some will speculate that it's uh it's um you know UAP related some will speculate that no it's some sort of secret government program to to uh for for tracking biological weapons testing others upon that it's something completely unrelated it's natural it's caused by coyotes and you know natural nutrition of the of of the of the herd um we don't really know but but assuming let's just assume for a moment or I hate to say that word let's let's presume because you know what assuming does right so let's we we'll presume here instead of assume um let's just presume that it does have some sort of relationship to to UAP for example why would we why would we why would anybody why would anything be interested in one particular species um there's all sorts of reasons why um it could be that there is uh a special susceptibility to certain things um again that going back to that Canary analogy right that for whatever reason it's also could be that widely available that there's you know I'm living here in Wyoming there's more head of cattle here in Wyoming than are people that's true statement we have more cows and we have people that's one hypothesis I was thinking about have you heard of mccre explosion it's that there if you look at the amount so of any animal by mass which one is the most plentiful on the planet it's not humans it's actually cattle or right cattle is second to humans so I'm wondering how much of it is just because there's so many of them that well numbers and and there huge numbers and they're all over all over the world uh and they're also a lot of them are really remote you know so if you wanted to get in and get out and do something you know cow's a pretty easy target you know cheetah run really fast right and and those are great points yeah okay so before I rudely interrupted you you're were saying there was the reason of being plentiful of being perhaps suceptible like a canary in the coal mine and then you're going on what was the next yeah uh it could also be that you know they have been so cows are are one of the few species that have been specifically manipulated by human beings um you know there was a time where where our species hunted something called an orox and orox was was predominant all over the planet and we hunted them frankly to Extinction um what you see now in the domesticated cattle is really really a crossbreed uh it was it was made by it was invented by humans um it's kind of the animal that never was to some degree uh we we've cross spread a lot of stuff so we now have this domestic ated livestock that we use as a food source um maybe there's something in that maybe there's there's there's something um significant or specific as it relates to that you know we we could go on and on frankly we could spend another two and a half hours just just speculating on on why cows um there's a lot of different reasons reasons why potentially um you know the fact that it is a a primary food source for a lot of people on this planet um you know does that have something to do with it you know are they are they is there something relevant to that that that that that is of in key interest um I had the privilege of speaking to a veterinarian up here in Montana of all places and uh he was a former official uh and is a veterinarian and U is called a lot of times to these cattle mutilations and he is absolutely 100% convinced that this is it is something that is not natural uh and that is being done farmers will report lights in the sky um later on they discover these animals with uh what appears to be um cauterization of the wounds uh a lot of sexual organs particularly removed um and then some really other unique pieces to the puzzle where um you know maybe one tiny bone is missing uh in the entire animal uh and that's it U like it was just removed for the sake of removing it and studying it and so uh yeah I mean it's it's something that's interesting that's been around for a while um you know a lot a lot of people have you're not the first to ask me that that's for sure Sr asks not sure if this has been asked has Lou ever heard of Zimmer knocked whistleblower the Zimmer Zimmer knocked whistleblower called exactly that or under any other name appearing on Reddit and if yes is there any truth to it at all well I I don't read Reddit um very often um again if uh if if I want to abuse myself I'll just get on Twitter um they do a great job doing it I don't need anymore and then second of all uh no Zimmer I am not not aware of um I'm not familiar with that unless there's some sort of vernacular uh that um it's is also referencing that I I have no idea about that stoen cark asks what does Lou think of the set of documents named allies of humanity uh I've read a lot of documents I I don't necessarily know about allies of humanity what that is unless it is uh something involves different species uh that have been alleged to exist I I I I don't know I don't know what that is Matt wants to know what are this goes back to the worms asking which dirt do humans eat yeah great analogy by the way so what questions I only the very best dirt what questions should we as the audience as myself perhaps even as you which question should we be asking that we aren't man well you're doing it this is it this is exactly why we're having this conversation right to figure that out um so earlier when you were saying that we have some unstated assumptions and we have boxes yeah you're not saying that you're immune from that you're saying no no I need your help too to to break out of that no I'm absolutely I'm not immune to it no absolutely not I have the same bias as everybody else right um no this is something we need to figure out collectively no I'm not this is not a trick question I'm asking you to say haha I have the answer no no no I'm I got the same challenge you do we're in the same boat um we we need to figure this out and and this is why I say we need academics and scientists and everybody else on board because and and philosophers and everybody because they're the ones that are going to help us figure how to do that you know I'm I'm I'm just a dude I'm just one guy I I'm I'm you know I might not be super dumb but I'm not necessarily the smartest guy either I I don't I don't these things you're extremely bright man it's humbling oh I appreciate it but no I can assure you you my speaking about humbling when you mentioned the word sober and somber that to me the reason why is because not because we're more special than we think we are but we're much less so then I was wondering hm is perhaps another motivation for people that wealth pack around you not just a financial motivation not just National Security but also perhaps self-preservation because abolutely self-preservation yes that's a huge part of it in fact it also goes to Pride and ego and self-preservation I mean these are these are inate innate components of of of the human psyche and we need to be aware of it and and a lot of people don't even realize they're that way um you know it it it it comes from a place of self-preservation ultimately survival you know um control um and to some degree even resources um it's it's almost part of our character um we mean you look at any any type of society whether you have a a society where you have a monarchy a king or a queen making authoritative decisions or even to some degree presidents or you know uh popes and you know again I'm not against any of this I'm just simply saying that we as a species we always we always want answers we always want someone to to have the final saying narrative because we like we like our our our life to be defined when you look at the way an average city is City organized or reason why we make our streets and grids north and south east and west because subconsciously it helps us know where we are at any given time why we have a compass right what time look even a watch tells us where we are in time right we we we are a species that doesn't like we fear the unknown and when you look at Carl Sean's pale blue dot for the very first time and you realize that everything in existence that we know of has occurred on that tiny little pale blue dot uh which is you know three pixels large uh in the vastness of vacuum of space in just one ray of light from the sun that makes people pretty uncomfortable you know uh the fact that you know other than towards the center of the earth there's no such thing as up or down there's really no such thing as left if you go left far enough you come back right again uh up is relative you know up just means I'm moving away from the center of the earth that's all there is no real up or down you know we don't know if if we're if we're flying sideways somewhere in the Milky Way in the universe or if we're upside down or what if there is there is no upside down there's no there my point is that when you really look at the universe for what it is um we have no idea where we are none um we are spinning in an obscure spiral arm of some obscure Galaxy we happen to call the Milky Way that's on a collision course with another galaxy called Andromeda the next 250 million years or so uh but in reality we have no idea where the hell we are or where we're going or where we've been and and so we we build these anecdotes and histories and whatnot because it helps us make sense from nonsense and that's that's what we like as human beings we we don't that's why when you put people in a in a in a a solid white room where even the furniture is white most people will report not only being disoriented but being uncomfortable uh because there's no point of of of of there's no relativity within the relativeness within the within not relative relativeness within the within the room um in fact it it it that's why death is is so scary for so many people because it's the great unknown um and it it's something that as a species we we fear um a lot and and you know it's it's part of nobody wants to know that they're lost nobody nobody wants to know that's why Safety and Security is so important a lot of lot of relationships right people would say I just want I just want Safety and Security that's all I just want to know that that person's going to be there for me and I can rely upon them right they want stability they want they want an anchor um and that's not a bad thing that that's who we are but we also have to realize there's a lot of things in this universe you know that that are going to going to force you to re-evaluate and that's really really uncomfortable once you really realize that you are truly we are alone out here in the universe from a from a human perspective right I'm not saying from a living thing or you know I'm saying from a human perspective um you know that's scary for a lot of people uh you know best is to our knowledge we are the only humans in in the universe and of course we have a bunch of animals we can play with on our little planet that we call Earth and you know kind just makes kind of makes us feel good but but it's looking more and more like every single day that there's there's there's more out there um it's just not human and then the question is okay well what are their intentions what are the motivations do they want to work with us or do they want to subjugate us um or are we going to be tomorrow's uh uh dinner menu right um all these things go through the minds of people and and they're they're they're you know they're good questions and and questions frankly we don't have an answer for yet and that makes people really really uncomfortable and unsettled and I think we need to be aware of it so back to your question what you know am I am I subject to the same box bias that you are and everybody else you damn right I am yeah and we need to figure out how how to look at this topic look at a potentially a non-human topic through non-human eyes is what I'm trying to say uh we we may have to take our glasses our human glasses off um that kind of filter everything do in terms well that's my question right how do we do that this is exactly why we're having this conversation what can people be doing having that conversation exactly that's exactly what what we could be doing can I add to what you said if you don't mind like a 30 second it's on point hopefully this pale blue dot which I imagine it's something I don't know about it I imagine it's zooming out and seeing how insignificant we are relative so let me tell you the pale blue doors a couple there's a couple pictures that have really really if you really want to look at something that's pretty amazing the first image is called the play pill blue dot um Carl Sean um as the I think it was a voyager might have been the Pioneer I think it was a Voyager spacecraft was was leaving um Earth's orbit it uh by by somewhere around the Moon it turned around and took a picture of the Earth and then as it was billions and billions of miles away as was about to leave the the um the solar system so to speak it's actually the inner solar system but it was but you know to the best of our knowledge at the time it was the solar system this is before the heliosphere and whatnot um the spa he had a great idea said why don't we turn that spacecraft around and take one more picture of Earth see what it looks like and so he did and he turned it around and he didn't n turned it around and took a picture of Earth and at first I couldn't find it until one scientist pointed out what's that and and you should look it up on Google uh it's it's it's pretty amazing look at it with with the original photo not zoomed in um and and you all of a sudden get this sense of um vastness and and most will agree maybe a little even little insecurity because you're like oh that's a that's a fragile little tiny ball in the middle of nowhere uh and then U another picture is U taken by um it was the lunar orbiter it might have been the Apollo 11 mission where they're reving with the uh with the lunar lander and in there there's a picture of the lunar lander with picture of Earth behind it and in that picture you realize for the first time that all of humanity everything that has ever existed everything that anybody had ever hoped dreamed or wished for every war every famine every crisis every human being that ever lived an animal animal and living thing that we knew of was all contained in that one picture except for one person and that was the one human being taking that picture from the lunar orbit and that's very humbling because then you realize you know wow we really are are all in this together and and you know we better for worse we're a family we're a community um and um you know those are the two pictures I I would recommend people a look at those they're for me that was very impactful you know they say a picture is worth thousand words well in this case a picture is worth 5 billion people um pretty pretty interesting let me play with that if I can do so for a little bit and let me see if I can say this I haven't articulated this out loud but when people show there are some YouTube videos that show the vastness of space how immense it is just keep zooming out zooming in in and out in and out I mean out and out and out and outward and then some people feel dread and meaninglessness but to me that that seems like it seems like a relic of territorial domination when we used to tell a country's power or stature from how much it owned because what difference does it make if we're 1% of 1% of 1% spatially or temporally of the Galaxy all of what matters maybe that's not what matters at all maybe space and time being located in it isn't what matters if it was then we could go to to the Holocaust and say well it doesn't matter because look at how small of a region it is and how temporally bounded it was and say so it doesn't matter but it matters your the birth of your daughter matters the everything that Ma the death of your son matters every single thing that matters is bounded temporally and spatially so perhaps what matters most isn't how much space do we take up but maybe it's our heart maybe it's our capacity for pain maybe it's the ability to show love despite being hurt and to trust again maybe that all in from another realm is something it's huge maybe it's vastly huge in the way that we look at ourselves as small maybe it's huge in to make an analogy in the realm of Consciousness if it's a space like space and time but we don't know and in fact all the we do know is what matters isn't like your favorite piece of music is not it's only 3 four 5 10 minutes long it's not an infinite amount of time so I I well Kur the value of a human being again may not be what up in here and the body it may be that that piece that we talked about before right that that indelible part of the human that that is hard to define whether you call it a spirit or whatever you want to call it you know a soul um you're right and and I I think I think there's that's the value of a human being it's not that $23 cents worth of carbon that my body is worth right right right the nine pounds or so of my brain or maybe in my case my much less weight you know but um it's it's there there's something else that that creates the value for a human being but you know I've said this before and let me reiterate this for anybody who hasn't heard this yet you know we talk about the human being being this small moment of occupying the small moment of space in this infinitely vast you know 92 billion Lightyear G Universe across from side to side and yet and yet within every single human being Kurt is almost an equal amount of space what do I mean well let's look at an atom one * 10 -26 when you compare that to the human body you know we are that Universe we are that vastness we are to the atom we are the universe and we are just as big interesting interesting right and so we really sit in the right in the middle of the Scale of the Universe and that's important because it's as big as the universe outside is it's just as big inside and and you know we're just now beginning to expl are the realities of that and what that means um and so you know there's there's Beauty in that but of course for a lot of people there's a lot of discomfort right and uncertainty right and insecurity so um so yeah I get it man I I I I understand it's it's um it's one of those things that that you know we ultimately we're wrestling ourselves why are we so insecure and why does this topic make us so insecure well because we're forced to look in the mirror and question ourselves and and reconcile the fact that we really don't know where we are and we really don't know where we're going despite the best and the brightest in our in our governments that we appoint and say yes we are giving you the the uh the authority to to to tell us things right but in reality it's kind of an illusion um it's just like money the only reason why money means anything is because we've all made a a moral contract to agree that yes it's valued but it doesn't really have value it's p paper there's no real intrinsic value behind it other than we've all agreed to the illusion that yeah it means something well it's the same thing with with governments and authority and some religions you know that we we we have vested this this authority to to tell us as a species give us answers give us meaning right uh so you think those at the top feel insecure that they may not have the answers oh well they don't a lot of them don't have the answers it's not they don't Fe we know they don't and and I think if they were to be true to themselves they no they don't you know I mean look look at Poli think they do do you think that they think that they have the answers or do you feel like they know they don't think deep enough to even recognize it I think they think they have answers for the Paradigm for which they are living in they don't understand that there's a much bigger reality there for their little reality that's been conceived and painted for them yes they're coloring within the boundaries of the of the of the of the lines it's like me when I take notes in this book um you know I I I I can I'm confining my notes only to the Limit boundaries of the paper right that's all I can have to write with um some people you just revealed some class classified no no no never classified screenshot that zoom in yeah I think um you know that's uh for me um you know I look at it that way some people just have a bigger notepad to write notes um you know but maybe we get to a point where we realize that even that we need a notepad is is I'm getting very esoteric maybe the fact that we're even using a notepad is limiting us maybe the key here is that you know maybe we need to get rid of notepads altogether doesn't matter how big of a notepad you have because you know you're you're never going to be able to contain all the information in in in in a notepad that's one of the claims of Angelie is that we need to get past the limitations of language for whatever reason the aliens have told her this and that we need to start communicating telepathically or realize the limitations of language just as in side well I'm not sure you need aliens to tell you that I think that's you know that's that's something age-old man has known for a long time uh you know that old cliche right well I love you beyond words well what does that mean mean we're limited by language you know language is a close as we can get right now to reading each other's minds but at the end of the day we're still limited you know but I I don't I definitely don't need aliens necessarily to tell me that that's that's just kind of that's kind of a reality for us I think okay getting back to some of these I know that you're all eager Kevin lown asked given the clues Lou dong and others have been laying down it seems like we're dealing with cryptoterrestrials not necessarily aliens is this what Admiral bird found during operation high jump it's absolutely possible that this is something that's been on been on this planet for a very long time and it's just as natural to to to Earth as we are it could very well be its own you know this is crazy as it may sound could its own Animal Kingdom you know just like the Hidden World of of protozoa and whatnot of the microorganisms in that Animal Kingdom that was invisible to us until just a couple hundred years ago uh could be you know um the likelihood of it I I don't really know but it's defin I mean it is a possibility you can't you can't say no umix asks can you ask him about project Crystal night AKA project serpo which was featured at the end of Steven Spielberg's close encounter um I am not familiar enough with it to speak in any type of authoritative way um it'd be pure speculation so um just I'll leave it unfortunately I wish I could answer it for you Matt Wood asks have you had you Lou have you had any holy moments where you learned a truth about something so over the top that it wasn't even on your question list speaking of question lists oh yeah okay let me continue then so you have more to riff off of how many times have extraordinary relevations occurred to you as you were learning about this phenomenon so as it relates to UAP um there were a few I'm I'm I'm beginning to put my thoughts down on paper um there were there were there were there were quite a few um and um you know each time it challenged my my my perspective on things it it challenged my my um my understanding of of the universe and our place in it um but uh not quite yet prepared to have that conversation uh but but I I will have it at some point did you ever lose sleep over it all the time Gus Baja asks if Lou is under NDA how can he write a book with new and definitive information regarding the UAP phenomenon I think this question is meant to be snarky at all I think it's genuine yeah it's got to go through a Security review process and my intent is to put everything I can down there and then whatever the government decides uh no different than than laty whatever the government decides to redact and you're going to know what's redact you're going to know what parts are redacted and what parts are not uh and um you know you got to try but it's not my call I've got to get reviewed so you know how can I well I I I can by going through the right processes and and that's how you do it there's a right way and a wrong way to do it so I intend to do it the right the right way how long does that process take when me can be can be can be a while um you know but that's that's what I'm going to do and I've got a great partnership with with with Harper Collins who who is is is you know willing to take this journey so and by the way there'll be a very specific reason very obvious when when that book comes out a lot of people are making uh presumptions and assumptions of of of my motivation they have a clue they have no clue what I'm doing it'll be very c will be obvious be Crystal Clear of why I'm writing this book see when it comes out people are going to go oh wow so Jesus is the light asks one question for Lou I've never heard this one asked if uaps are trying to prevent us from nuclear war that supposedly may happen in the future now this is predicated on the future human hypothesis when was this supposed to take place is it less than 10 years from now obviously we're in Wild speculative territory I mean we don't know they're trying to prevent a nuclear war that's that's again a presumption by by some people you know let's let's not forget that in Russia they actually turned him on so that you know I don't know if that's preventing a nuclear war and by the way if that's the case they didn't prevent us dropping a a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki so you know there's there's already flawed logic there that they're trying to prevent anything we don't know that we are presuming um so we need to be very careful with that as far as any type of future War your guess is as good as mine um you know uh that's that's that's a whole different territory that I'm I'm not uh I'm definitely not qualified to answer okay this is a question that I've thought about Wally laferty asks who are the government people that come to confiscate cameras and data threatening witnesses to remain silent about their experience this has happened to military and civilian Witnesses he says a tip question mark no it wasn't a tip I mean no it wasn't a tip but but yeah there were people who definitely who definitely uh tried to intimidate people and um you know all I got to say is you know I that wouldn't be wise to do it with me and my colleagues um you know I I I don't get intimidated very easily um you know we're we're kind of the people who if if you poke us we're going to poke you right back um you know I I don't know why people got intimidated in the past um you know the only way I would ever shut up from this is someone really came in and said L we need you to to be quiet this is hurting National Security but that hasn't happened um you know I'm the kind of guy if you try to intimidate me you're you're you're you're making a big big mistake um and I'm I'll leave it at that because my background is is specific enough where um you better come at me with everything you got is there any truth to Men In Black well I mean sure the question is who are they you know there's been elements in the past where you know us investigators um I mean the truth is we wear black suits sometimes I mean I have three of them you know um the problem is that Hollywood is kind of portrayed it a certain way um you know for us you know black suits were were fairly functional you could you could look I mean this is going to sound silly but you know you wear them because they're like wearing jeans but formal attire because you can spill spill food on black suits and all that kind of stuff and kind of wipe it away and you know it's a little bit more forgiving than than a than another type of suit um so and historically tend to be more of the cheaper suits um just because they're black they're not you know really fancy material or stuff like that so historically black suits have always been synonymous with government and and you know what people refer to us as Government stiffs um there's always been Men In Black you know I was one of them I was counter intelligent special agent but I never intim intimidated people like that um and so the question is who who's doing that and and why are they doing that and under whose authority are they doing that that's my problem you know if if they're operating with without any Authority then you [Music] know you got problems you know because you know we had to all operate under under rules and authorities and if you're not and you're running Rogue and you're going around intimidating people you know I I can't stand bullies man I I I'm I don't like bullies I'm not that guy anybody who knows about the way I was raised and what I had to go through you know I'm I tend to be a bit of an anti-bully um I I tend to try to for bullies yeah you know that's that's that's kind of or put the bullies in their place yeah you know they W going to be bullies much longer I can assure you um so anyways with that said Kurt unfortunately I'm getting blown up here um to I guess I'm late by six minutes uh for another interview I hate to be um I'd love to keep talking about this fantastic time with your your folks um hopefully I didn't waste anybody's time I know you're going to get people saying oh the dance make class J and I avoided this and that I'm sorry in advance they're going to do it they got some haters are just gonna they're going to nail you on it uh but you know I'd love to do this again with the end if there's anything I haven't address you know let's let's let's do it next time thank you man I appreciate your generosity again immense generosity and as well as for what you're doing well and I appreciate what you're 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