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That UFO Podcast - Episode 27 - Luis Elizondo (Video)
14,106 views  Premiered Feb 4, 2021 

Episode 27 of the podcast has arrived for your listening pleasure and it's THE big one as Lue Elizondo, formerly of AATIP & TTSA joins me for 60 minutes of conversation, i genuinely feel, much of this you have NOT heard before.

The subjects discussed include:
What Lue's security clearance means for him still
Commenting on Tucker Carlson that the US Govt has debris
His time with AATIP, how he felt resigning
The UAPTF, is it being set up to fail?
Mankind or Mankinds? Lue elaborates!!!
What could we be dealing with
Listener questions

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggyW_PuOcw8

Transcript:

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there's a whole fleet of them look on
the assay
oh my gosh they're all going against the
wind
it was basically a cube with inside of
sphere where the points of the cube
were touching outside the sphere
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[Applause]
so this isn't anything that just is
limited to the united states
it's a worldwide phenomenon
hi everyone and welcome to a very
special that ufo podcast
i'm not going to waste too much time and
get straight into the interview for this
one
because you are here for one reason and
one reason only
uh for a long time i've made no secret
the top of my wish list for guests on
this podcast
would be one mr louise elizondo and i'm
delighted to see i have lou
on the podcast with me now welcome to
the podcast
thank you very much it's uh certainly my
honor and privilege um
i sincerely appreciate your time and of
course your audience's time as well
listen uh it's no secret people seek out
your interviews and they troll through
them with a fine tooth comb
to get any little nuggets of information
they can so hopefully we can get through
as much
on this interview as possible the
response from the listeners has been
incredible
um i would just like to preface it by
saying that i've watched your interviews
recently with john greenwald on black
vault
and ryan sprague somewhere in the skies
i have tried to stay away from anything
they talked about because they've done a
good job with their interviews
and i would highly suggest and recommend
people go and seek out those interviews
for anything that i potentially don't
cover and i'd like to get straight into
the first question lou um regarding your
security clearance this is something a
lot of people bring up as a source of
frustration
when you can't answer the question in
the way that they might not like you to
can you start off just by talking a
little bit about your clearance that you
have
why you still have it and what exactly
that means
yeah sure so security clearance is i
think a lot of times over
complicated uh if if people on the
outside haven't spent any time in the
government
there's this giant mystery behind you
know a security clearance what it means
and
and the type of access of information
you have here in the united states we
have
three classifications of of
if you will information um besides
unclassified
unclassified isn't really a
classification it's just unclassified
information
um the three classifications are
confidential which is the first tier of
information
secret which is a second tier and
ultimately
top secret information now there's
actually legal guidelines
of what this this information means from
a from a top secret perspective that
means if information were to get
compromised
uh and put out uh into the public sphere
if an enemy were to gain access to that
information it would cause quote unquote
grave or exceptional damage to the
united states national security
so that's in essence why we classify
information
particularly to protect sources and
methods
that's very important because a lot of
times information in itself
might be unclassified but how you
collect that information
um can be very very sensitive and so
that's why we classify information the
way we do
in my case because i was in the
intelligence community for so long
in order to have the job that i have the
government insisted
all of us with that particular if you
will expertise
in counterintelligence intelligence
human intelligence
you have to have a top secret security
clearance
meaning that you have to go through an
extensive background investigation
psychological
uh evaluations and polygraphs to get
access to certain information within
within that caveat of top secret and
then within
the top secret layer think of a a layer
cake maybe a wedding cake that's got
many different layers of frosting
uh throughout the cake at the top secret
level
people think well it's top secret
information
that's it well there's actually some sub
layers
or strata if you will even within the
top secret
and you have sci which is sensitive
compartmented information
you have sap information and you've got
these little little cutouts
that are within the top secret realm but
they are extremely
nuanced very very sensitive um again
because of the line of work that i was
in
i was required to have that type of
security clearance
when it comes to the uap topic when i
am talking uh about information a lot of
it
is unclassified the problem is how that
unclassified information was obtained it
was obtained through some very sensitive
sources and methods
obviously we don't want as a nation to
compromise those sources and methods
otherwise you can't use them ever again
because you get compromised
especially in the world of human
intelligence you're talking about
people's lives when you're collecting
information from another human being
that
probably shouldn't be telling you that
information there's a level of trust
there
that has to be exercised and really to
some degree that person's life is now in
your hands because if the country that
they're from
finds out that they're sharing
information with you it could be well
that's that's considered spying
technically uh by by a lot of other
countries uh rules and
and laws um so you know in that shadowy
world of intelligence and espionage
you have to have that level of of
security clearance and there is a
a requirement there's a a if you will an
nda
right non-disclosure agreement that you
sign and it's not like a company's
non-disclosure agreement it's far more
comprehensive
it basically subjugates me to jail time
uh
there are several acts like the s u.s
espionage act for example
that if i violate my tr the trust and
confidence
that the us government has bestowed into
me and let's not forget that that trust
and confidence
is really a derivative of the people's
trust and confidence right i represent
the the people the united states uh they
have trusted me with that level of
security clearance knowing that i would
not share certain information and if i
violate that
i can go to jail i can be prosecuted i
can i
can have a lot of things happening to me
now i think it's also important to say
that when i tell people i can't discuss
that
uh because of my security clearance i'm
not saying that because i'm necessarily
afraid to go to jail
um i mean obviously i don't want to go
to jail but but it's because it's it's
for me it's a sacred it's a sacred
oath that i took and that oath wasn't
just to the us government it was to the
american people
it's a bit like a marriage when you when
you make that oath till death do us part
it's an oath till death do us part and
it's not just to the partner you're
making that commitment to
it's actually an oath you're making to
yourself so if i were to make an
exception to that and violate that that
that oath that i have sworn many many
years ago everything
else i've ever done is is up for grabs
too
i mean if something that simple my oath
to the american people can be violated
that's simply by saying well i'm going
to let you know something
then everything that i've ever stood for
before whether it's
you know going to war or or conducting
the operations i have
on behalf of the american people that is
also up in question too
and i open up to i'm sorry that is also
open up
for questioning two and so um
you know i i take my oath seriously uh
ultimately it's an oath i've made to the
american people it's the same oath that
that i've made to my daughters and my
family that that
when i say i i take this responsibility
seriously
i mean i take a responsib i take that
responsibility seriously
you know i'm gonna digress you just for
a moment because three years ago when i
first came out
there's a lot of stuff i could have said
up front
that probably would have saved me a lot
of grief a lot of sharp shooting by a
lot of people
but i'm not going to sell out
individuals and sources that i've worked
with in the government
just to save my ass i'm not that kind of
guy i never have been i never will be so
you know i know as as more information
comes to life people are kind of
frustrated saying you know lou why
why didn't you just say this three years
ago or two years ago you know
and all this guesswork that we had to do
well because i'm not that kind of guy
i'm not just going to go ahead and say
something and compromise somebody else
in the program
just to save my credibility that's not
what this endeavor is about it's not
about satisfying
satisfying the idle curiosity of people
and it's not about vindicating myself it
never has been this is a much more
profound journey
about about telling the american people
the truth
and if that truth the cost of telling
the truth is at my own expense
as i've said before then that's that's
that's a
that's an easy solution for me i'll i'll
do whatever i have to do to have that
conversation
so i'd like to follow on from that with
that in mind when you appeared on fox
news with tucker carlson
he asked if you believe the us
government has debris from crashed uap
and its possession
your response was and i'll quote
hopefully correctly here
simply put yes that's a big answer
how can you give that as an answer with
that clearance in mind
well because i'm not saying the
specifics i'm not saying where it is
where it's from
uh who collected it uh remember what
he said he said do you believe that the
u.s government
has material in its possession well he's
asking me my
my personal opinion uh and and i can i
can provide my personal opinion in that
regard i'm allowed to based upon the
information i saw
i i can say that because he's not asking
me to say
something to the effect of um for
example
who collected the material where is it
being stored under whose authorities and
auspices what are its capabilities what
is it
specifically made out of that's not what
the question was he just simply asked me
do you believe
there is recovered material anything
beyond that
other than what i believe now becomes
stated fact
and now i have to be careful because
that stated fact is based upon knowledge
that i had as as as a employee of the us
government and that's why i was very
specific when i said
you know i have to be careful what i say
here i i
i take a minute and i have to pause and
have to think about it because
you know it's a it's a very fine line
there's there's a there's a ledge there
and i'm tiptoeing pretty close to that
ledge and i you know
one word just one wrong word and
i'm i'm gonna be over the edge and uh
you know
it things can get very complicated for
me
i would presume a background in
counterintelligence helps you tip to
that edge pretty well
um and it seems to have worked for you
so far um it's been well documented
since you're parting of ways with ttsa
that it's been amicable and you've got a
lot of friends there and you enjoyed
your time there
since then have you been able to hold on
to any projects you were involved with
at the time with ttsa that you can
continue to work on
what a good question very very
insightful thank you for asking that
question
the answer is a wholehearted yes uh
there are efforts within ttsa that i'm
still
very much engaged with that ttsa now
that it's refocusing
uh to the entertainment piece um i have
the ability to
run with some of these other efforts uh
in a way
that doesn't interfere uh
or or complicate what ttsa is trying to
achieve
and at the same time allows me the
flexibility to as i've said before
shift into second gear basically uh
move this effort now into phase two
any specifics around those that you can
talk about
um not at this moment i think
very very soon it'll be clear um the
reason why i don't want to talk about it
is because
they're in a delicate state of um of
development
and what i don't want to do is say
something right now prematurely
and you know let's say there's an
organization out there that's very
interested in partnering with us to
bring this capability to full maturity
right
i don't want to do anything to spook the
herd um this is still
i mean it's still a very it's still very
controversial topic that we're dealing
with we're talking about uaps
and frankly we're just now getting to
the point where i think it's becoming
more accepted
but but we haven't achieved that that
state of normalcy yet that we're all
looking for so
i have to be careful stigma and taboo is
still a very
significant part of this conversation
and i have to tread very lightly and
delicately sometimes
when you talk about stigma and taboo
normally with most people talking about
that with me
in this subject i would say that you
know that you can't tell me anything
better but given who i'm talking with
you probably can and given what your
line of work's been in the past as well
as part of those changes at ttsa steve
justice and chris melon also left
what is your relationship with those
gentlemen today and do you still plan to
collaborate on projects with them
oh yeah daily uh we should be no
surprise that
we are in very uh close collaboration
proximity from a perspective of
collaboration uh
there's very little daylight in fact uh
i speak to to
chris um on uh on a on a daily basis
uh we are working very hard together
this has been a really
and forgive me for saying this because
people i think are going to look into
this and they're going to
misconstrue what i'm saying um they're
going to say i see you i told you he was
manipulating
um chris and i chris is
is absolutely the epitome of a
strategist he's probably one of the most
intelligent human beings i have
ever met and i've met a lot of smart
people
um we have been running this for the
last three years very much like you
would a military or an intelligence
campaign
there's five pillars of emphasis that we
have been focusing on
and none of these pillars can ever
become taller than the other think of
putting a roof
on on a house right you can't have one
side of the house
taller than the other sides because the
roof gets cockeyed so the five pillars
are
the first one has been legislative
engagement and that's in making sure
that our our senior elected officials in
this country the committees
are properly briefed into the phenomenon
the next pillar has been senior
executive uh engagement
on the executive branch senior
leadership so um that would be engaging
those individuals in the executive
branch
that need to be briefed so for example
um everybody knows that in the last
administration the president had been
briefed a few times
the secretary of defense secretary of
defense was briefed
um you know the former director of the
cia so it's now coming to light that
these people were briefed so that was
the second pillar executive
engagement executive level of engagement
the third pillar
has been international engagement
engaging those friends and allies
in other countries are counterparts that
are
interested in having this conversation
they're seeing something too they never
really wanted to say anything but now
that the u.s has stepped forward
they can reach forward and say hey you
know we'd like to talk to you about this
topic because
we've we've got some questions like you
saw with japan
recently and they've come out and
established a relationship with the
united states for the explicit purposes
of sharing
uap information i mean that's a big deal
right
and then the fourth pillar is media
engagement making sure that mainstream
media has enough information
um so they know they can have a a a an
elevated conversation about the topic
we're no longer talking about
tin foil hats and elvis on the
mothership we're talking about science
we're talking about quantum physics
we're talking about about a real
issue that we have right now something
that is in our skies we don't know what
it is we don't know where it's from we
don't really know how it works and
there's not much we can do about it
um that's that's that's that's a tough
discussion to have
and media is finally taking it seriously
um despite this
you know 70 some odd years of of
ridicule and
and bad hollywood movies about the topic
and then the fifth pillar is
is is engaging the masses engaging
people and that is critically important
and so let me dissect a little bit about
the five pillars you don't ever want
your legislative branch to get ahead of
the ball
uh beyond your executive branch because
it takes both of them you have people
making laws and then people executing
laws so
so you never want to make sure that
either the conservatives or liberals or
anybody else
has more information the other side this
is a nonpartisan issue
it's everybody gets the same amount of
information if you have the security
clearance
and you're in a position of authority
then at the same time
when we talk about the media engagement
and public engagement
that's critically important because both
the executive branch and legislative
branch
are responsive to the people period full
stop
meaning ultimately we serve
the people not the other way around the
the people do not serve the government
the government serves
the people that is in our constitution
and anybody who's forgotten that
shouldn't be in government
so it is important that the people have
as much information as they can
to then enable their leadership as we've
been seeing right now this tremendous
effort within ufo twitter to engage
members of congress to engage the media
it's working it's working it's it's
people say well you're not sharing
classified information no but i don't
have to
we're we are achieving more with this
grassroots effort
um than ever by me just going and
briefing congress at the classified
level
all of this has to happen simultaneously
it has to be deliberate
it has to be strategic uh and it has to
be
purposeful and and i think um
you know it's if people were to realize
just spend a day in our shoes they'd
realize
it's not that easy i mean it's it's
tough and
you know a lot of the playbook where
we're writing as as
as we're doing it's kind of like
building an airplane while you're flying
it
um it's it's kind of tough and i don't
want to take credit for it because i
really can't there's a
there's a lot of smart people that are
working this effort behind the scenes
both inside the government
and outside the government
oh we'll give it a second sorry man you
know that so that's okay that's dan's
going to note that one down for us just
roughly
okay sorry i had someone trying to call
me through so i apologize that's okay uh
it's it's you know we make mistakes all
the time um but this is why
once again ufo twitter so important
because
you guys have a lot of great ideas a lot
of things that we don't think about
and on a daily basis as i'm reading
through the twitter sphere i'm not
reading comments while people think
about me
quite frankly i don't give a what
people think about me what i care is how
people are taking the topic
and if they have any new ideas and
insights and it's valuable
it's paying off we're able to then take
some of those ideas formulate them into
a strategy
and then execute those strategies in a
very meaningful meaningful purposeful
way
whether we're dealing with congress or
the u.s government or foreign
governments or the media
and that's great to hear and i would
encourage people in the uk particularly
which the the conversations
poor to non-existent to check out a uap
media uk which is something we are
trying to help with from a media
perspective in the uk as well
now shifting attack slightly low i want
to ask you about your trip to pick up
materials from the bledsoes
now the bledsoes are a family with an
immense interest particularly in the ufo
uap community
are you still in contact with krishna's
family and what's the status of the
project there
you know chris is a wonderful gentleman
i've had the the pleasure of meeting him
twice
uh in person um that meeting was really
facilitated through
one of my former colleagues at the time
tom delonge and jim semivam
um i you know i i cannot
substantiate publicly uh the claims i
have i believe uh in my heart of hearts
that they truly believe
what they're experiencing and at the
same time it actually may be correct
i don't know the problem is it's it's
very subjective uh
which a lot of stuff is in this field is
subjective so
so i'm not saying that it's it's true or
it's not true what i'm simply saying is
that
at the end of the day we have to use
methodologies that can
that that conform to the scientific
principles
of of science and that means you know
peer review and this has to be
repeatable
and and things like that otherwise it's
just anecdotal
again i'm not i'm not diminishing the
value
or the reality of what they are
experiencing
i'm pretty certain there's a lot a lot
of strange things happening there
very similar to skinwalker ranch but the
problem is i have to remain
focused i have to remain focused on on
the uap
issue that we're dealing with right now
and people just say well it is related
well okay fine but again i've got no
data to prove that
you know i don't know what's going on
over there regarding the blood cells
other than what's been reported
and so for me um you know i'm not saying
it's it's not valid or relevant
i just don't have enough data yet to to
make any type of conclusive
uh decision if it fits into the calculus
of the effort we're on
because i can't go to kang a member of
congress or a senior member of the
executive department and say
oh by the way these people are having
these these paranormal experiences over
there we should listen to them
that that's not going to get me very far
i have to
you know what what's what's so i think
compelling about the uap
issue is that you have human beings
which are trained observers right think
of a human being as no
no different than any other intelligence
collection system
so you have human beings that are that
are that are identifying something
occurring
which is backed up then and collected on
electro optical data like gun camera
footage
which is also backed up by by
electromagnetic information like radar
right and all of a sudden you know you
have three different separate collection
capabilities all looking at the same
thing
at the same time in the same place under
the same circumstances
that's data that i can i can then
present in a meaningful way
to decision makers that that is is a
much
um easier approach
at least for me and my colleagues to
to achieve mission success and again i
don't want to disparage in any way
uh the blood cells or anybody else who
has their own personal experiences
because that's why they're called
personal experiences
they're personal um but
but right now i can't include that in my
calculus it's a lovely family very
wonderful family
and i have no reason to believe that
that mr bledsoe or his family
are lying or deceiving in any way um
but again that data just i can't
incorporate it into the current calculus
that i'm using if that makes sense
absolutely and you mentioned skin walker
ranch now i've
spoken with brandon fugal and he'll be
on the podcast soon hopefully
um himself bob bigelow both former and
president owner of skinwalker ranch
have had their own scientific
experiments going on and
some data released you know a good tv
show has come out as part of that as
well which the second season is juicing
but they are still ongoing scientific
experience experiences and experiments
sorry
they have both said and others around
skinwalker ranch that it comes with
somewhat of a sticky portfolio
and this topic and subject if you want
to put the phenomena under an umbrella
have you ever had any experiences like
that yourself
uh wow
again great question uh and one
unfortunately
i'm gonna politely sidestep at this time
um
uh you know that was a that was um that
was many years ago
and uh a lot of uh effort and
talent was put into that um i am aware
of of what they were doing
but i think that's i think probably i
think i'll sidestep this question
because um i
really am not the right guy to answer
that question you just
asked me have i had any personal
experiences
if i did or i did not i'm not sure if
that impacts
um the ongoing effort right now that
we're engaged with
and i don't you know i don't want to
prejudice the jury it's important as
an investigator i try to remain as as
fair and impartial and objective as
possible
and introducing uh my own personal
feelings or beliefs or observations
about
that um you know i i i'm not sure is is
overly helpful
um i'd probably rely on individuals that
were more involved with that effort
to to answer that question that's what
i'll say for part three or part four
with
zondo and years to come potentially and
ask that again there you go
can you talk on the work you are doing
with uh are you going to be doing with
the lakota tribe uh there seems to be a
strong connection between native
american tribes
and the phenomena itself
well damn once again you're asking great
questions and i'll answer that one
um yes i we are absolutely
engaged in that effort let's not forget
that the
the first nations of saskatchewan and
all frankly most indigenous peoples
um have oral traditions that go back in
some cases
thousands and thousands of years
pre-history from our perspective
and to very much the same that an f-18
pilot is a trained observer
uh when flying a combat mission um
indigenous people are trained observers
when it comes to
their land and um although it might come
from a
slightly different paradigm than we're
used to in the western world
uh indigenous people have a profound
sense of history
and uh that that it is it is that
history
that we are very curious to see if we
can see some of the same patterns
that we see in um in the current effort
regarding ayton
but even more importantly than that i
think i think all indigenous people have
have lessons that we can learn from i
think we
in it we live in a very materialistic
world
uh that is heavily dependent upon
technology
and um you know indigenous people
for for millennia have gotten along just
fine without it
and uh their their sense of government
and their sense of organization their
sense of fairness
uh is is truly profound and i think
if we can show the world
just a little bit of that beauty uh
we we might be better off we might be
better off as a civilization we might be
better off as a race as a species
um i'm not going to go into detail but
when i
when i had the the the distinct uh honor
of going up and meeting
the the chief and the elders of
of the bands um with the lakota dakota
bands that they'd prefer to be
called bands it was a
it was a profound experience for me it
was it was um
it was an epiphany i learned
so much in that brief time i had with
them and again i
i don't want to share the specific
instances because
i would like to eventually provide that
in a much more professional manner
uh for everybody to see but um it was
it was not nothing less than
soul shaking and i mean that sincerely
uh i i realize there's a whole another
aspect
to humanity that we have seen
to forget and indigenous people have
despite the challenges they have faced
over the years whether it's disease
or or being moved against their will to
reservations
and the hardships and the discrimination
that they have faced
over and over again somehow they were
able to maintain
their dignity and and their humanity
and um for me it was a
it was an understanding of resilience
and that the that there is an indelible
part of the human being
whether you call it the soul or the id
or the chi or whatever
whatever non-du jour you want to give it
there's an element beyond the
the biomass of a human body and beyond
the electrical synapses of the human
brain and the intellect
that makes each and every one of us
distinct
and and i learned that um
there's there's there's great beauty in
that and
um you know coming from up from a hard
investigator who
has been always just a fax ma'am kind of
guy you know there's another aspect to
being human here
that um not just me but maybe
maybe other people have forgotten as
well and so i want to be able to
to tell that that story in a very
elevated way
and share that with other people and see
if they have the same
you know same reaction that that i did i
would look forward to that coming to
fruition and
i think people would be screaming at
their podcast devices just now
on a lot of different questions we could
go off in a tangent with their button
we'll see if they'll save those for
another day
i've made no secret for a long time on
this podcast lou uh i
i'm a huge fan of unidentified um the
tournament struck was perfect it was
something i was very much looking
forward to
um given it seems now there'll be no
season three um can you speak about what
you would have liked that to look like
and i would also like you to comment i
interviewed antelipe producer of the
show
and he mentioned on my interview with
him that there had been contact with
people from nasa
who just weren't quite ready to go on
the record uh could you comment on that
as well
yeah so the two questions um what would
i like to see in episode three nothing
um but the answer is simply put nothing
we we made a decision chris mellon and i
early on that we only wanted to do two
seasons
um that was it was a short relationship
with history channel they agreed
this was never intended to be a long
protracted show
where we just artificially generate
material for the sake of having a show
we it was a target of opportunity uh
that was never meant to be enduring uh
we are now working on some of these
those enduring capabilities but as we
shift from
from you know phase one to phase two or
first gear to second gear
history had its role and it was very
impactful and it did exactly what we
intended it to do
but make no mistake the history channel
uh
effort was not ever it was never
intended to be a long-term
uh effort for us it was always a
short term it was to get the
conversation going
and then depending how that went move on
to something else
um so that's that's the first part the
second part you asked me about anthony
lepay
and people from nasa look i get emails
every day it's not just nasa it's nasa
it's faa it's department of energy
very very senior people now are finally
coming forward
and wanting to have this conversation i
think it's uh
and i think it's a good thing um anthony
lepay is absolutely right but we also
have people from other countries
and senior officials in their
intelligence community
and their government apparatus coming
forward and that's i think
i think it's indicative of the sign of
the times the conversation is shifting
and again i want to go back to the ufo
twitter world because that's in large
part because of you
of what you're doing i'm only one voice
but you guys are many and
i i think the beauty about this uh is
that we are no longer
uh a a if you will an enclave
i think what you're seeing with ufo
twitter it's is very quickly becoming an
army
uh and that's that's that's a lot
different it's not a it's becoming a
i don't know if i want to say the word
movement because it's used too much
and movements can sometimes use to be to
do bad things
just like they can to be used to do good
things but in my case
i think i think the ufo
twitter universe has has
helped tremendously in this effort and
it's getting people to come out
and talk when you look on twitter i know
for an absolute fact there are several
pseudo handles on there that are very
senior government officials that i
personally know
and they create these fake accounts just
so they can get a pulse so they can so
they can
monitor what's going on and that's
that's remarkable you are helping
influence right now
the conversation here in the united
states that's amazing
so by the way let me for uh um also
if i can apologize real quick you hear
me kind of inhaling a lot um i recently
got over covet so
i i still have a little bit of a short
breath the shortness of breath i
apologize if it comes across that i just
finished running a marathon actually
feels like i just did
uh so i i apologize i i promise you
uh i'm i'm not uh working out secretly
you know
the table here and trying to get my
exercise in i just unfortunately it's
it's part of the um you know the covet
no absolutely glad you're glad you've
recovered from that as well and
you've made no secret you have a petrol
head you talk about gear one to gear to
um would it be fair if unidentified was
part of the first gear
that the untitled uap project sean
cahill jeremy mcgivern and you've been
involved in
with some of the other guys and
producers would be part of second gear
yes absolutely and there's other other
efforts as well that's just one
uh we have multiple verticals that we're
looking at
to continue the conversation in a much
more impactful broad way now that the
topic has finally been taken seriously
uh i think uh throughout many parts of
the world
the time is to put this into into a
higher gear
and really as i've always said push the
pedal to the metal
i know you don't normally speak for
other people but i'm going to quote
someone here and just ask
for your thoughts at the end of
unidentified season two chris melin had
a rather lovely
monologue to finish off um he said
that the tech is not ours not russia's
and not
china's does this for you definitively
put to bed the notion that uep
um they're not made by human hands
look in order to have a conversation
with people
you don't need the elephant in one bite
you have to you have to
eat it in bite-size consumable pieces
that you can then digest otherwise
you're gonna choke
um i've said it for the record before we
are
we are absolutely sure it's not ours
we're pretty damn sure it's not
foreign um you know i i don't know how
more clear to say that this is
this is not our technology um if it was
i i don't think you'd be seeing this
kind of effort first of all we would
have figured it out a long time ago
that this is some sort of russian or
chinese technology right
and then we would have had a counter
technology very quickly
uh you know it
no it's it's not ours and i i know it's
uneasy for people to think about that
uh but it's okay because it's been here
for a while
and we're still here and religions
haven't collapsed and and
governments haven't imploded uh this is
just another wondrous mystery of the
universe
and with that comes some some hope and
opportunity but also you know
we have to exercise some some some
due diligence and and pragmatic
caution here you know i i'm not the kind
of guy that's just going to go
running into a into a dark room uh
with my hands in the air you know and
and
blindly because you bump into things i
think we need to approach this like we
do everything else very cautiously
um you know we know the moon is right
there but yet we don't just throw people
in rockets and send them to the moon
you know there's a lot that has to
happen to to
to to do that and i think to some degree
this may be kind of similar
in that uh you know there's
there's we have to be very careful
cautious
and deliberate in uh how we
we ask the questions and and the answers
that we get back
um we're it's very tempting for us to
all go down the rabbit hole very quickly
and think we have the answer
i see it all the time and my word of
caution to that is
please please please try your best
to to to be victim of your own analytic
bias
i look i i i suffer from it just like
everybody else
i'm no superhero i had the same same
challenges when i when i see something i
had this temptation to to jump to a
conclusion oh it must be that
and that's the way the human brain is
wired that's a human thing
the very first thing we do coming out of
our mother's womb is recognizes
we recognize her sound and her face and
her touch we
are programmed as a species to recognize
patterns and identify friend or foe that
is
what nature has evolved us to be
and so it's natural that when you come
up to
to an enigma like this and you get some
answers
that we want to jump to conclusions of
what something is or is not
but we really have to we have to be very
careful and not be tempted
to do that prematurely we really need to
let the scientific
process and methodologies work and
and i think once we can do that we we
may have some
you know surprises some some
surprisingly
uh simple answers
you've you've led me very nicely into
this next question because i'm actually
going to throw back at you
a question you once asked on a piece
you've done the youtube videos out there
i'm not too sure of the context behind
it but
it was certainly something that stuck
with me and a lot of other people as
well
and you asked once for people to
consider what if it wasn't mankind
but mankind's and what would that mean
for us
could you elaborate on that because
that's something people go back to more
and more
and as more or less hypothetical that's
what i'm going to put it as but
people would assume you come from a
better understanding a place of
knowledge
than most would um
yeah wow uh
well you're getting some really really
good and personal questions um
let me see if i can answer that in a
meaningful way without
um
without leading leading the witness
we live in a three-dimensional world
we live in a three-dimensional world
where time is a function of the fourth
dimension if you will
and we experience time as being linear
it's a linear function or a process
uh but we now know in the quantum world
that time first of all we know that
space and time
because of the work of einstein and
others that space and time are are
joined together
and we know that space time is flexible
it's called relativity we see it around
massive objects all the time not just
earth but the sun black holes
so the linear universe that
we experience to some degree really
isn't
and when you look at the quantum state
of things even an electron for example
you learn in high school that an
electron orbits an atom and we now know
that's really
a very simplistic way of looking at
things that the electron doesn't orbit
around the atom in fact it's called an
electron cloud because
the electron is is both all in all
places and none of the places all at the
same time it's it's kind of weird but
my point being is that if you were to
look at time and think of a
think of a cigarette burning when you
look at the notion of the future
most people would would define the
future as those events that have not yet
happened
and the past is defined by events that
have already happened
and when you look at that construct then
the definition of the present
must be a a moment in space time
probably measured in playing time very
infinitesimal
infinitesimally small moment of space
time
where the future is transitioning into
the past it's it's
it's it's not a point in time it's a
process it's an event
that's occurring so a way to look at
that in late perspective is think of a
cigarette
or a cigar that parts of this cigar that
have already burnt or the cigarette that
have already burnt the ash
is the past that part of the cigarette
or cigar that has not yet burned
is the future and the cherry that moment
of ignition
that spark of where the future is now be
getting consumed and becoming the past
that is the present and we as human
beings we live
at that moment all of our hopes our
fears our memories love hate good
bad all that is an expression
of of an experience that occurs uh
at an infinitesimally small moment of
space time
like i said probably measured in playing
time
that is how we we we we experience the
present but what if
there were things that had the ability
to
experience where where the present was a
much bigger
cherry if you will a much bigger
transition where more elements of the
future in the past
are experienced as in the present and
can do that also physically right
so it's not just not just
a an idea but what if there were
species out there that that experienced
the universe
uh in it with it with an extra level of
dimension
and so you and i are having this
conversation right now with your
audience
and we're having this conversation right
here right now but if
i were to have the ability to have this
conversation right here but five minutes
ago
or five minutes from now we would never
meet we'd be like two ships passing in
the night
um is it possible that maybe some of
these things
these uap have the ability uh we
experience in them
we we experience them when they are
right here right now
and every other every other time we we
don't because we're simply not
intersecting
uh with that with that uh extra
dimensional
space of of time um you know when you
look at that cigarette or cigar
burning you'll notice that it never
burns evenly
when you look at it up close and you can
kind of remove the glare and the flare
from the
from the burn we we realized that that
there are portions of the future of the
portions of the cigar
that haven't burned yet uh behind
portions of the cigar that already has
burned
it's it's not an even burn almost
there's an overlap right and quantum
theory uh
is beginning to to show some of the
models for that
so um i know i'm going in a very
long-winded roundabout way to answer
your question about what i meant about
mankind's
but i guess my answer to that is it's
limitless we
every time we put a limitation on mother
nature
she defies our our box
she defies the parameters for which we
set every time we say every living thing
needs
water or oxygen we realize that there
are our
microbial life out there that that are
anaerobic
they in fact they'll die if you put
oxygen they they like a non-oxidated
environment
right you have these extremophiles
living at the bottom of the ocean
and and and miles below the the arctic
ice
this defies any any definition of life
in fact a virus itself
in one case you can make the
the i think you can make the claim that
it is a living organism because it
replicates
and it does a lot of things that a
living organism does
but it also can be defined as a
non-living thing because it doesn't have
dna and it doesn't have a lot of the
things
that we clearly associate associate with
a living organism
like respiratory functions right like uh
anabolic activity so i think we need to
be very cautious how we define
life a long time ago we used to defy
define life uh as mammals birds and fish
well you know that's probably a very
over simplistic view of what life is
we're spending billions of dollars
through nasa trying to find microbial
life right now
on some of our our planets in our own
solar system and moons
because it is it is it we think that
there's a very good possibility that
exists
seti does the same thing with radio
transmissions trying to find
a signature of life out there and what
we're beginning to find out it that
it is more likely than not that there is
life out there
and that life might be fairly abundant
um so uh boy
um that's one hell of a question you
asked me
well that was one hell of an answer and
just given the answer of giving is
i want to actually finish off this
portion of the interview with the time
we have left to try and get some
listener questions in soon as well
talking a little bit about your past and
actually the future as well
as well knowing you resigned from your
position at a tip
that was to try and push forward this
conversation to the by the public
a lot of people including myself would
thank you for doing that i would like to
know
how it made you feel having to resign
from that position
that's not something i've heard anyone
ask you before
well it was the toughest toughest
decision i ever made in my life
it was my you know there's there's
two components that that make up luis
elizondo there is the private component
uh as a family family man and a father
and then there is my my other component
that i
feel for me as as as a patriot to my
country
and uh i i i believe in the idea
i'm sorry i apologize that's okay that's
okay
that wasn't deliberate i promise no i
know what you know i i
i i believe in a life of service
um i believe in leaving this country and
this world in a little bit better shape
than you found it
and uh you know i don't expect everybody
to feel that way
just to me i do because of the way i was
brought up and my my
the the struggles my family had to go
through even just to be in this country
so
so for me it's it's um it's a very
sincere and and uh profound
commitment i have and so when i left the
government you know
in one hand i felt like i was abandoning
the very establishment
that that i was committed to to serve
the american people
you know by de facto i felt like i was
abandoning the american people because i
was doing jobs that were very important
for the government and for the american
people
but in order to serve the american
people i actually had to leave the
organization that i love to do it
in order to i realized that i'm going to
have to make a choice do i serve the
institution that i belong to
or do i serve the american people and i
realized that that in order to serve the
american people i would have to leave
the organization the institution
that i was serving to serve the american
people
um it was extremely tough for me
um it's you know uh you can't see this
but on my desk i have all these
around my office here my moment you know
i'll show you just for a quick second
give your audience a quick tour here i
don't do this very often but
uh let me see if i can do this for a
second
um you can see very quickly uh
a lot of my
my life is in these walls and uh
you know it's it's part of part of who i
am and uh to
to leave that is very was very
challenging was very tough
um i
i mean i don't know what else to say
it's uh well with that action
that that you took and it was a big
decision that affected your life your
family your future
you started a sequence of events and a
ball rolling which
you'll be you're more than humble enough
to see other people were heavily
involved in with you as well
so we are now counting down 144 days as
of recording uh my co-host dan got that
for me
to seeing a declassified report from the
uap task force
you have spoken several times now that
we're in good hands with those
overseeing this
why should people be excited about the
report coming out but also beyond that
what can we expect to come from the task
force itself
okay great question um let me let me try
to get you
a a a comprehensive and meaningful
response
uh i think it is a
tremendous accomplishment that uh
congress has asked the director of
national intelligence for a 180
180 day report um
it it shows that there is commitment and
interest by congress
and that there's a willingness by the
executive branch of the government
so that's that that is a win scenario
right there
the question is a is 180 days long
enough
to provide a comprehensive report that
congress deserves
and two will all the relevant
information be in there
in order for congress to make informed
decisions
um if it was up to me
i would probably request a 180-day
extension now i know people right now
are going to be probably
lining up with pitchforks wanting to uh
to burn my house down
but as i've said before there's a
difference between doing something right
and doing it right now and i prefer we
got one shot to do this right
so uh we've come this far we we've
waited this long
i you know i i wouldn't be opposed to a
to a little bit longer just to make sure
that
we get it right there's a lot happening
between covid
of course the pandemic and then of
course we have a new administration
coming in and they're trying to
get their feet on the ground the
transition process takes at least 180
days
uh and of course we still have you know
our regular jobs trying to protect this
country
so um you know i'm not sure
i'm not sure as you say now 144 days
is is is long enough i'm not sure that
we have
a a an adequate structure within a task
force
to answer the mail on that i think what
we need is a permanent capability
not just a task force uh that is that is
properly resourced with with the right
talent
uh and and the right authorities to do
what it needs to look the people the
task force are amazing human beings
they're friends of mine
dear friends i'll go to combat tomorrow
with them
and i'll die with them but they've been
given an impossible task
they've been in to some degree the same
task that i was given
uh when i was in at it's it's
it's it's not enough
you can't expect just a handful of
people to provide this information that
has historically been been sitting with
within 17 different intelligence
agencies
uh in various little pockets and
enclaves
for decades i mean it takes longer to
build a house
than it does to in this case than 180
days and we're expecting
a a comprehensive government whole
government approach to this to this
topic
um you know if to me if you were to ask
me i think i think the task force is
being set up for failure
and not by congress and i don't think
it's deliberate i think i think we need
to take a step back
and i think we really need to to assess
what is it we're trying to achieve
and then let's set up these people for
success you know if we really want the
right answers well
then we got to be prepared to to
to give them the necessary resources to
do this
otherwise you know all you're doing is
setting up a bunch of patriots for
failure and
and and putting frustration into the
system
lou just to get a couple of lister
questions and i've got one more question
for you
if you're part and all of this ended
tomorrow would you be satisfied
you know i wish well i wish my part
would end tomorrow
um i'm pretty tired i'm pretty tired
i've you know i don't know how much more
i can i can really give i've given
you know my life savings to this and
i've given
my relationships to this um
you know uh would i be satisfied
um i haven't had the opportunity or the
luxury to sit back and really
relish in the accomplishments we've
we've collectively achieved
so uh i've been too focused on the
mission
um i will say something that's been very
heartfelt um
i shared this with some very close
friends of mine i was looking on twitter
and some
some people in an incredible uh
gesture of kindness offered to set up a
um
a gofundme page or something like that
where they were going to you know
contribute because
i guess the cat's gotten out of the bag
that i've i've
put my life savings into this because
you know it's it's a
it's an endeavor that doesn't make money
you know if you're looking to make money
this is not the topic to pursue at least
not right now
um my i i am truly
profoundly humbled by that gesture but
let me also say this
if you want to honor what what i what
what i'm doing you want to honor any
sacrifice that i've made in this
don't spend money on me take that money
that you have
take your your your wife your husband
your boyfriend your girlfriends your
kids
take them to a dinner spend time with
them
and and just connect and and and be a
family
um you want to honor me that would be
the the best
best way to honor me don't don't don't
set anything up for me
you know i i i can i can go work at a
supermarket if i need to
i gotta return wrenches right i can i
can
fix cars um this journey is not about me
it's about the collect of
all of us uh i i would be i would be
much happier if you were to to save your
hard-earned money
and and you know uh
go to a nice dinner with your family and
and talk about things that are important
maybe talk about uaps
right that'd be a great way yeah my kids
like lying on the trampoline looking at
the stars and they're they're foreign
two
and they've got their little toilet roll
holders they've got they've made for
binoculars to pretend to look for aliens
so
they're on the way to carry on that
conversation look so many people you're
a very popular character and i know
that's something you tend to shy away
from the attention that you get as well
you don't crave it
which i think draws a lot of people to
you as well unfortunately
so many people wrote in with questions
i've just like to put a couple of those
to you and then a
60-second quick fire and craig labadie
mentioned during your recent interview
with john greenwald you mentioned there
were certain
certain videos that had blown your mind
you talked about doing mental gymnastics
to work out how a particular object
have could have done the maneuvers it
done so his question for you
are those types of videos and that type
of data held by multiple governments
is that rare or is that data more common
than one might think
i think you'll be surprised that that
data might be more common than you think
the problem is there were never really
any mechanisms to do anything with that
data
so they are they are in in
um bits and pieces if you will uh
throughout uh different governments but
uh yeah there's some very
there's some very compelling data um you
know in some cases
you get these things 50 feet away from
the cockpit i mean that's
at that point there ain't no question
what you're looking at um so
i have to ask you this one from doug
campbell regarding something i read or
heard possibly on a podcast
um it stated at one point that you had
considered being a psychic spy
is that at all true and have you ever
practiced remote viewing
damn uh you know how
how put off and i are are good friends
um hal and his colleagues were involved
in some remarkable stuff
uh um project stargate
before that grill flame and whatnot it's
no surprise that the
department of the army and at some point
the defense intelligence agency
were were involved in that effort um
i uh i i'm not going to elaborate
um great question uh maybe maybe for
some other time
i like that one too and the last
listener question sorry to everyone who
i didn't get to hopefully the body of
the interview answered some as well
but like lou said hopefully comes back
one day to answer some more
uh leif asked was there any particular
reason that the three videos that were
released to gimbal go fast and flare
were the ones that were chosen to be
released
yes good answer i won't probe you
further on that i feel that would be a
bit fruitless uh listen
quick fire round before we let you go a
couple of topics and subjects we've not
managed to talk about yet or talk too
much on
you can say a word a couple of words in
a sentence it's up to you
the first one is skin walker wrench
um a very
perplexing place uh
i have the utmost respect for the men
and women that were involved in that
project
next one is bob lazar i've never met the
gentleman
i have no comment either way i
i have absolutely
zero interaction with mr lazar as
a human being uh both personally and
professionally so therefore i i
i reserve my comment because i simply
don't i don't have an opinion i'm not
i don't have an opinion either way and
i'm just keeping it to myself i truly
don't have an opinion it's never been
factored into my calculus certainly ce5
if it works it works if it doesn't it
doesn't i have a hard problem
personal problem with with anybody
charging for
for for services uh
you know it's it's uh for me um
this is not a money-making endeavor i
think i think
we pervert the truth when we do make it
a money-making endeavor
i think um all sorts of things
get introduced into the mix when this
becomes about
profit and that's with anybody
you know i i'm not saying you have to
starve and and
you know but but profiting off of other
people
in search for the truth i find
despicable
um you know that's one of the reasons
why i don't really do entertainment i
prefer doing
infotainment and i don't mind
information being entertaining
but entertainment for the sake of
entertainment i'm that's not me i'm not
an entertainer
i i want to help inform um
i think uh you know there are a lot of
as i said before hucksters and
fraudsters out there
and it's coming to light and you know
people are there's some savvy
investigators now or that are hot on the
trail of some of these individuals who
spent the last
several years if not decades defrauding
people
and uh you know all i gotta say is uh
you know sucks to be you you shouldn't
have done that shame on you
um you know the truth
i i said this years ago you know there's
something
funny about the truth um
the truth she sometimes whispers
so you have to listen carefully but if
but but she
she always speaks and ultimately the
truth always comes out
so uh my advice would be for anybody if
if you're into ce5
if that's a real thing then great and i
would ask that you'd be able to
demonstrate it
in front of a camera in front of a large
audience um
and repeat it right scientific method
make it make it repeatable and something
that can be peer reviewed otherwise
it's just your opinion i would ask does
the truth whisper mankind or mankind's
well well uh
[Applause]
how about you tell me abigail mankind
that's with plural with the s uh i think
i i think i think i would too i think
that's
and louie to finish up the show
appreciating your time what does
disclosure mean to you
ah well
i think we'll know it when we see it uh
i think we're in the process of
disclosure right now i think in five
years when we look back we're going to
realize we're in the middle of
disclosure
um i said before disclosure is a process
it's not an event
um i think uh
disclosure means a a willingness to
recognize the truth
and begin to discuss
facts in a way that is transparent
and open for all people to participate
in
all people not just one institution not
just one government not just one country
everybody and i think that is what
disclosure is about
it's the recognition that the earth is
not at the center of the solar system
and you know sometimes it's it's hard to
tell that truth
in the beginning but ultimately it
becomes self-evident
and i think we are in that process now i
think we are
in the throes of realizing that the
earth is not in the center
of our solar system um
and again with that i think there's
there's a lot of hope i think there's a
lot of
opportunity there but let's not jump to
conclusions
you know let's let's maintain the course
of being
diligent and deliberate methodical uh
and and you know open-minded to to the
best of our ability
while trying to maintain um
our our dedication to the scientific
process
lou it's been an honor genuinely and a
pleasure speaking to you
and i look forward to the day i can
welcome you back on again for that
second part
anytime i will tell you this is a true
true pleasure for me i want to answer
one question for you that you haven't
asked
but i know some of your viewers are
asking why am i doing these podcasts
why am i is there an attempt by me is
there a media blitz that i'm involved
with in order to
achieve something well the answer is yes
and that yes is that um
part of phase two from my opinion is
getting the word out to anybody and
everybody as you know i don't make a
penny doing these
i don't charge anybody i don't get an
appearance fee for doing this
it takes a lot of time on my day but i
do it because it's important
i do it because it is making a
difference we're finally having the
conversation and even if you disagree
with my perspective
it's okay because the conversation is
still happening even if you don't agree
with with
how i'm doing things and the way we're
doing things that's still good
that's okay because you don't have to
agree with me you don't have to
be in my camp or my team
i don't need that i just need you having
the conversation and it's happening
so uh you know my hats off really to you
and to your listeners thank you for what
you do
uh thank you for what your listeners uh
do
taking time out of their day when they
probably should be doing something
uh you know productive um for their
family or for their work and instead
they're taking the time
to listen to this podcast uh maybe these
people are just getting off work right
and they're tired and
and want to make dinner for themselves
but instead they're they're listening
into this podcast you know thank you
thank you for doing that this is this is
a mutual conversation
i get just as much out of this dialogue
as you and your listeners do i assure
you
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