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Need to Know #56 - Elizondo Unplugged (09-12-24)
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Have you ever wanted Lue Elizondo to just come out and say Roswell is real, or abductions are happening, that kind of thing? We have. So we've gotten him clearly on-the-record on those kinds of issues and others in this episode of Need to Know. 

Lue Elizondo joins Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel to discuss major developments in the UAP space, particularly following the release of his new book, Imminent. 

Elizondo sheds light on the ongoing disclosure process, touching on the frustrations with government secrecy, the slow pace of mainstream media coverage, and the obstacles whistleblowers like himself and David Grush face. The conversation dives into the mysteries surrounding the Roswell incident, crash retrievals, and non-human intelligence (NHI), while also addressing broader societal impacts of full UAP disclosure. 

Elizondo further shares thoughts on historical moments like the JFK assassination, noting potential connections to hidden truths about UAPs and covert government agendas. 

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqeMenB5WL4

Transcript:

Lou has been all over our dials he's been 
in podcasts he's been on the major media  
circuit and we want to talk him to him about that 
experience but also by kind of following up some  
of that it's going to give us the opportunity to 
take a look at some of the questions that maybe  
didn't get answered or to follow up on some of 
the things that we'd like to know a little bit  
more about so let's get right to it let me bring 
in Ross colart from across see Ross uh that was  
quite a great interview uh that you did to sort of 
you were the starters gun for all of this madness  
um it seems like I guess it was only three weeks 
ago or something like that get a Bryce yeah lovely  
to be talking to you again and very excited to be 
speaking to Lou here on need to know um I think I  
think it's important before we bring Lou in just 
to introduce him because one of the things that  
you and I have been talking about is that a lot of 
the podcasts don't explain exactly who Lou Elison  
is I think everybody just takes it for granted 
that we know who he is but there's been a lot of  
toing and frowing in the last few weeks a lot of 
people throwing mud a lot of debunkers trying to  
assail him so let me just put Lou in context Lou 
worked at the very highest levels of the Pentagon  
the US defense department out of the office of 
the under secretary for defense intelligence  
and he was before he got involved I think with 
the UAP subject involved in highly sensitive  
extremely sensitive special Access program leaon 
dealing with some of the most intense secrets in  
the Pentagon hierarchy he was a very very highly 
trusted official inside the US defense department  
and that's why I find it very amusing that people 
have been throwing mud at Lou this ridiculous  
argument about ATP and orap in the long run it's 
irrelevant the guy you're about to hear from is  
somebody who has operated at the very very highest 
levels of the Pentagon the defense department and  
the intelligence Community everybody I've spoken 
to about Lou including a lot of people he doesn't  
know that I've spoken to have vouched for his 
Integrity his honesty and his absolute loyalty to  
the American public and doing what he's doing so 
Bryce let's bring on Lou Alondo let's get him hey  
there Lou how are you nice to have you gentlemen 
thank you so much it is truly truly my honor and  
privilege to be with you here today uh you've 
had the honor and privilege of being on a lot  
of podcasts and a lot of media I've seen you on a 
bunch of them and I just had one quick observation  
when I saw you on CNN and I think CBS and maybe a 
couple of others to be honest with you they give  
you like that three to five minute window right 
you're you're on it's like you better have your  
talking points because that's all they got and 
what I noticed in a couple of cases is I thought  
that the people who were interviewing you looked 
like they' done about as much much prep as you  
might expect if they were uh going to speak to 
the guy that just won a hot dog eating contest  
or something I I just didn't really feel like that 
they knew how important this thing was so here's  
my first opening question for you having just 
gone through all these interviews what do you  
think you taught America and the rest of the world 
while you were uh doing these interviews and on  
the flip side what to doing all these interviews 
teach you wow uh well first of all let me let me  
Preamble if I can I think mainstream media has 
got a lot going on right now um and it's easy  
you know we we refer to something as as combat 
fatigue in in the military but the media suffers  
from the same thing and you've got so many of 
these issues dour right whether it's elections  
or it's uh the ongoing conflicts right now over 
in in Israel or the Middle East or with Russia  
and Ukraine uh and of course an election coming 
up as well right so so there's a lot of issues  
so it's very easy to get distracted uh the UAP 
issue is we're playing a long game um this isn't  
a a sound bite this isn't a headline and then it 
goes away this has been a very slow and steady  
process a slow March towards ultimately what 
we hope to be complete disclosure so with that  
said um I I want to make sure we don't put blame 
on mainstream media because I think they've got  
their hands full and let's not forget that until 
recent recently the last maybe six seven years  
this topic was completely taboo right this this 
was a professional career Ender to even consider  
taking this topic seriously and had it not been 
for people like you and Ross coldheart and a few  
other others that just said you know to hell with 
stigma and let's let's chase the story um we would  
still be we would still be in that situation um 
now what have I taught media um probably that uh  
I'm about as attractive as a crau this is it this 
is as good as it gets right so I'm probably not  
the best guy to have on camera with that said um 
what I have learned from the media is that there  
is a significant interest in this topic and you're 
right there that it's like a it tends to be like  
a a puddle on on on on the sidewalk um it's not 
very deep their knowledge base is not very deep  
maybe what they've seen in Hollywood and movie 
or maybe what they've read in a book but for  
the most part they don't have a deep knowledge 
of of this topic and so uh they've taught me to  
some degree to to have patience and exercise that 
patience try not to get frustrated if they're not  
asking me the questions that I think they need 
to ask me I think they're probably asking the  
questions they think they need to ask me and for 
that it I'm okay with it you know this is like  
I said this is a marathon not a Sprint and it's 
going to going to take a while for people to to  
Really begin to to absorb the the enormity of 
this of this topic in my opinion anyways Ross  
Lou Nancy mace uh the congresswoman for South 
Carolina has just announced in the last few  
hours that there's very likely to be a a UAP 
Hearing in September I think she indicates or  
maybe in October I don't know if that's realistic 
to be honest one do you think it's realistic there  
is going to be a hearing before the election and 
two is Lou elzando going to be called to testify  
I want to see you under Earth my friend sure so 
again two-part question let me answer the first  
question and then I'll I'll go to the second one 
there is going to be hearings now whether they  
occur in end of September or October or perhaps 
even November you're right there's an election  
coming up and that's a huge distraction and so 
they have to pretty much if you will weigh the  
pros and cons to determine is the timing right now 
or should we wait till after the elections that's  
a decision that I certainly can't make nor can 
I influence to answer your second question I've  
already made it perfectly clear that if I am asked 
to testify I will absolutely testify now with that  
said there is going to also be I think Senator 
gilbran recently made an announcement that she  
is also going to have some people testify and I 
believe if I'm not mistaken it's actually arrow  
that she wants the new leadership of Arrow wrote 
to testify now I could be wrong but from my latest  
understanding is that that the the hearings at 
gilland not not not the house but the Senate  
wants to have in the near term will probably at 
first begin with arrow uh and and the government  
apparatus if if I was a betting man you know uh 
gentlemen we're actually recording this uh as  
the presidential debate between Harris and Trump 
is going to be taking place so I've already outed  
our time frame on this thing but I think it's 
probably a safe bet that they probably won't be  
asked about UAP in this debate because it doesn't 
tend to come up in these things maybe I'll be  
surprised that would be great but Lou here's my 
question let's assume that it doesn't get asked  
in this debate and that there's another debate 
afterwards and somebody were to say to you Lou  
what should we ask these two candidates on the 
topic of UAP how would you phrase the question  
that a a moderator who as you just pointed out 
usually isn't completely wired into this how would  
you phrase that question how would you have them 
ask Donald Trump and kamla Harris what they think  
about the UAP national security issue I would 
start with the basic question what do you as a  
presidential candidate believe the American people 
are entitled to know first and foremost what are  
what do you believe in your heart is okay that 
the American people are made aware of okay okay  
because that's that's question number one because 
if they say well we have to keep everything secret  
because of National Security we already know their 
position if they say look I think uh Americans  
should know as much as we possibly can tell them 
whether or not we're alone in the universe and  
look if there's technology that maybe we've been 
able to glean from this we're probably not going  
to have that conversation with the American people 
why because we don't want our adversaries to know  
what we have right so that'd be question number 
one what do you believe that the American people  
are en to know about this topic and then two how 
do you plan to enforce and ensure accountability  
that those organizations within the executive 
branch that have been established to do the  
work are actually going to do the work and will 
have access to the information that they need to  
do the work that's a great question Ross I'll give 
you the next question okay Lou there's been a very  
interesting Post in the last 24 hours that seems 
to have been very quickly taken down as soon as  
it was posted but there's a guy called Walter 
Kern who interviewed David grush for a podcast  
or a a magazine I think called County Highway and 
in an interview Walter asserted and I don't know  
the truth of this but I haven't spoken to David 
about it he asserted that Dick Cheney is at the  
very top of the UAP secret Keepers according to 
David grush can you comment uh um look there's a  
lot of speculation uh about who may have known 
what and when I certainly not going to speak  
on behalf of of the chainy nor have I spoken on 
behalf of anybody else as as you probably know I  
can only speak on behalf of me we do know for a 
fact that there were certain people and certain  
administrations that were read onto this topic 
and we know that there were some that were not to  
include certain presidents that were not read onto 
this topic um what type of presidential privilege  
uh Vice President Dick Cheney may have had is 
certainly something that I think we should ask  
him I think it's a great question um I know what I 
have been told and what I have learned through my  
time at a tip um but with that said I I can't 
comment for for Vice President Dick Cheney um  
just like I wouldn't I wouldn't comment for former 
president Trump or current President Biden um it's  
not my place as you noticed before when I'm ask 
questions about Congress and their intent I never  
answer those questions because it's not my place 
to say if if if people have a question for that  
person address it to that person um that would be 
my my answer and I'm not trying to be evasive I'm  
trying to be respectful I want to make sure that 
I know my left and right limits if that makes  
sense I I i' actually anticipated you wouldn't 
be able to answer it Lou I just wanted to see  
your reaction which I thought Wasing hey you know 
uh on the the subject of all this back in 2017 uh  
the guys that were doing a lot of these interviews 
were yourself and and Chris melan sometimes Tom  
dong but basically you were the Insiders who were 
talking about it sort of setting the standard for  
it and that continued for while now we've had 
other people speak but most noticeably last year  
we had David grush talk so my question is because 
I think people get a little confused they go well  
who are The Whistleblower what's going on and my 
question would be is there any daylight between  
your story and David gush's story that we should 
highlight differences in how you see what is going  
on or if there isn't any daylight could you then 
at least summarize for us the essence of what  
you and grush and melan have all been saying so 
that because I feel like there's a lot of us like  
myself I'll have friends or my family and I'll 
want to say okay here's what I think is going on  
based on the people I'm talking but I'd like to 
hear your summary of that yeah well again great  
question um I can't speak for David but let me 
tell you my experiences with David first of all  
David's an American hero uh David is everything he 
says he is I know because I worked with him in a  
skiff I'm not supposed to say where right now so I 
won't but at some point hopefully we can have that  
conversation um but we're also different people 
right I know the things that I've been exposed to  
and the things that I did I know the things that 
David and I have done together and we've been both  
exposed to but then there's stuff that David has 
also done that I wasn't part of and so it's it's  
um it's kind of like being married really uh where 
you know you you you live with somebody 247 but  
there's times you may have to go run an errand or 
go shopping or your spouse has to go take the kids  
to school and drop them off and has a conversation 
with the neighbor so you know I wasn't privy to  
everything uh in David's World just like David 
wasn't privy to everything in my world but we took  
every opportunity to to brief each other up on 
on the important things you know the minutia and  
details of you know what type of Frappuccino I had 
in the morning probably not a detail that I would  
waste his time with but if there was a video that 
that he and I both needed to look at and analyze  
we were absolutely on the same sheet of same sheet 
of music um Chris melon very much the same thing  
um Chris melon is his own man I can tell you my 
experiences with him he is again a national hero  
National Asset I mean he is a national treasure in 
my opinion we are only having this conversation in  
part because of the work and sacrifices of 
Chris melon but is there other stuff Chris  
melon did yeah I mean he was a deputy assistant 
secretary defense at one point there's a whole  
lot of stuff there's a whole another world that 
that Chris melon has been involved with that that  
I wasn't involved with right and so um I think 
people assume or presume certain things like for  
example right now you Bryce and and Ross you guys 
are working a show together but you also do things  
independent and separate still for the same goal 
and so it's very much the same thing um Jam's a  
very good friend of mine he's a good human being 
um I trust him implicitly we talk all talk to  
him today uh we talk all the time um but there 
are again he worked for another agency another  
three-letter agency which I've never been employed 
by that agency we work together but he had access  
and did stuff through that agency that I wasn't 
privy to and in some cases I probably didn't even  
have a need to know and I'm okay with that right 
this is not like well I need to know everything  
because I was part of ATP no no no no this is 
this is a far more sophisticated and complex T  
topic so we have to be we have to understand that 
there are aspects of his job that he is going to  
be part of that frankly I have no need to know and 
I won't be part of it and I won't ask him and he  
won't tell me and vice versa right so um I don't 
know if that answers it but uh I I think there's  
a I think we're pretty pretty sympatico same 
with like Carl Nell yeah and you know I guess  
let me just follow that up though if if there's 
a commonality to what all of you have said or  
intimated in the various interviews you've done 
over these years you all basically say there's  
those three videos that we've all seen and that 
they're not very good but they're shocking right  
but you imply they're not very good and I heard 
you recently I forget the show but you said there  
are hundreds and hundreds of HD quality videos of 
UAP so this is this is the question that bothers  
the people who leave comments on our show and and 
send me emails over and over which is wouldn't the  
release of just one of those highquality HD videos 
be a game changer and secondly to release a few  
should not impact our protection of classified 
sources and methods one would think if you're  
just showing what you saw in high quality so why 
isn't this happening why can't we see one great  
video sure well I I can't answer on behalf of the 
US government what I can tell you that a lot of  
them are classified for very real reasons because 
of where they were taken and how they were taken  
and the Fidelity of the information that we have 
so it you know look people said before well how  
come the government has never released a video 
well they did they released three of them right  
now it took 70 years but they did so I think 
the time is going to come and hopefully sooner  
rather than later where other videos will also be 
released but you've got metadata that you've got  
to scrub you've got locational data because we're 
doing things in places that frankly maybe the bad  
guys don't know we're there right and we're using 
certain capabilities that can do certain things at  
certain times that we don't want the enemy to know 
and it's really hard to take a video and strip all  
that information away with just a bunch of black 
squares to react right um at that point it the  
video almost becomes useless really so there are 
ways to do it I think that there are people in  
government look Donald Trump just said that if he 
was elected one of the first things he'll do is  
he agrees with releasing not only the JFK files 
but also the UFO files and potentially releasing  
better video right now whether you're for Trump 
or against Trump or it doesn't matter right I'm  
being apolitical here I'm just saying that there 
are politicians right now as are having the debate  
that are actually for disclosure they're Pro 
disclosure um and again I'm not saying vote for  
a candidate because they're for disclosure I'm 
not saying that what I'm simply saying that as  
an example there are people right Barack Obama 
said recently that the same thing that there is  
very compelling information that there is uh that 
these things are real look Jim Clapper right he  
was on he was working for Obama as the Director of 
National Intelligence he said one of his greatest  
greatest uh laments and regrets was that he 
didn't he didn't push for for disclosure more  
when he was the dni or when he was the US when he 
was at one of the various agencies that he he he  
should have looked into it more um so people are 
having the conversation and I think videos will  
be forthcoming but again look with now today's 
day and age of deep fakes you're never going to  
satisfy everybody there's always gonna be people 
out there oh that's not real oh this is hogwash oh  
this is a sop from the government oh this is you 
know whatever it's it's you can't make everybody  
happy unfortunately and I'm not sure another 
video is necessarily going to do that maybe  
it does maybe it helps I hope it does but you know 
I I think we may even be beyond that at this point  
in the conversation okay Lou you mentioned the 
JFK files that Trump has pledged to release and  
that's a great segue for an issue that both 
Bryce and I are very engaged on let me ask  
you this way do you think there is a connection 
between the death of JFK and the UAP mystery well  
there certainly may be a tangential one um it was 
known that JFK wanted to release um certain UA UAP  
UFO files um if you talk to uh RFK right now the 
one of the individuals working with with Trump  
on his campaign uh he is very pro- disclosure 
he has indicated multiple times that he thinks  
that whatever files are in the possession of the 
US government should be released um it was known  
that JFK had an interest in this topic now was 
that the primer that saw him unfortunately be  
killed probably not there's a lot more there 
I happen to know somebody who was privy to a  
lot more information um it was probably more 
related to to things like Bay of Pigs invasion  
and possibly a reinvasion and I think there 
was some potential mob ties and some intellig  
stuff I don't want to elaborate certainly and I 
don't want to speculate I've already had people  
you know accuse me online of being a conspiracy 
theorist Which is far farthest from the truth  
right so um I just want to be careful because 
the moment people hear that they go oh JF gu  
conspiracy theorist no no no we're talking about 
conspiracy fact is what we're talking about um  
but I wasn't there and I wasn't alive and so I'm 
going to be very careful not to uh pontificate on  
something that I I don't have complete insight 
into which is fair and certainly you haven't  
brought up JFK in in most of these interviews I've 
seen or any of them to the best of my knowledge  
but something you have brought up a couple of 
times there are two things you brought up and I  
just want to make sure I'm understanding what I'm 
hearing you talked on Joe Rogan for example about  
how we're happy to go fly a helicopter around 
and you know tag a Snowy Plover or a will Tobe  
or whatever and and you know do our business 
with them and then release them back into  
the you talked about that so my question is 
are you confirming that we have a abduction  
issue problem because you've also talked in 
your book about implants so I I just want  
to hear it in in plain English are people being 
abducted and is that something that we're aware  
of and are we doing anything about it so the 
allegation is there uh we know for sure that  
some people have has have sustained negative 
medical consequences uh as a result of getting  
too close to a UAP that may be inadvertent it 
may be a result of the technology itself uh and  
not deliberate but keep in mind my background 
as a former special agent right if if you if  
you let's say take an Uber or a taxi and you want 
to go to the mall but instead they they take you  
to their house um that's kidnapping right that 
that's a felony offense and oh by the way think  
happen to touch you without your permission even 
just touch you um that's assault right so now we  
can start adding up the crimes the federal crimes 
here um that doesn't seem benevolent to me now  
imagine that happening to your kid right we got 
a problem if if that's if that's happened that's  
that we've got a serious problem because look 
in some cases doing that kind of stuff is is an  
act of War literally it's it's a provocation um if 
that is indeed happening now there are people that  
will tell you all day long that it's happening my 
focus at ATP was more nuts and bolts so I was more  
interested in the in the military encounters over 
controlled us airspace over sensitive military  
installations so that wasn't really my area of 
focus there were individuals in the program that  
were more focused on that um that is their story 
to tell but I personally come from the background  
that if if you are taken away against your will 
and and and touched in any way I don't see how  
that's a good thing I know some people say it is 
and they report that they've had a good experience  
but I don't think I'd like it very much if 
somebody tried to take me somewhere without  
my permission and you know touch me so you should 
definitely be spotted that one it's not necess you  
said you were more nuts and bolts so the thing 
that you have said in your book and in some  
of these interviews that's very nuts and bolts 
is you've casually stated that Ros will happen  
and that it was in hii I mean you you haven't been 
hiding that you've actually said it so just so I'm  
hearing this straight up because Roswell has been 
something I've been looking into for a long time  
are we finally getting getting to the place where 
we're going to admit that Roswell was a crash of  
an exotic technology that included bodies of of 
a potential nhi and that this has been something  
the government has had in its possession uh going 
back what 75 plus years now so I will answer your  
question with a statement I have been approved by 
the Pentagon to talk about this particular aspect  
I will say that there was a point in time where I 
was told to my face verbatim I am not allowed to  
talk about crash retrievals at all or I will 
absolutely go to jail and I've honored that  
and that's why my book went through the doser 
process because I wanted to make sure before I  
talked about it I had approval from the Pentagon 
to do it and so my book took almost a year to go  
through the Pentagon process but they approved me 
talking about Roswell and so that's why I can talk  
about Roswell yes Roswell by all accounts was a 
crash it was not a balloon it was not test dummies  
being thrown out it was it was a crash in fact it 
was two events so and and bodies were recovered br  
yeah correct when you say two events you mean two 
craft that crashed with each other and created  
separate debris fields or one craft that blew 
apart into two debris Fields so what I what I  
was told was that there was there was two events 
one was recovered and by us and one was able to  
go away on its own and that uh that biological 
samples were nonhuman biological samples were  
recovered uh keep in mind this is the end of 
the 1940s Lou Alando wasn't alive then uh but  
there were people and there were reports that 
were generated as a result of that event that  
colleagues of mine had access to for the record 
I would just like to say that I too was not  
alive then even though I am older than I would 
like to be Ross So Lou I want to get into this  
issue of threats so you've been assailed by some 
people for talking up a threat you know in some  
interviews you've given the impression that you're 
almost talking about a potential for Invasion by  
a non-human intelligence and I I just want to 
quote to you something from Jeff kle Professor  
Jeff Kel's new book how to think impossibly 
which I found a very interesting read he says  
I strongly suspect that what we finally have 
in the UFO phenomenon is a spiritual physical  
phenomenon that is being grossly misinterpreted 
as a conventional military threat or potential  
corporate technology but that no one really 
understands much less reverse Engineers with  
our strictly physicalist assumptions to speak 
paradoxically and I hope shockingly we are trying  
to shoot down Souls what's your take on that well 
again you can't argue a negative can you I I can't  
say that's not correct because frankly we don't 
know um if I can if I can just digress here for  
just a moment um look there's there's more to to 
this topic surely than nuts and bolts just like  
there's more to the topic of me when I grow to the 
grocery store than just nuts and bolts in my car  
there's all sorts of things behind it there's 
intent and there's motivations and there's you  
know if you want to say spiritual aspect sure I 
mean we are as human beings I often say you know  
we are we are Spirits having a physical experience 
there's more to Ross or Ry or Lou than this right  
because if I lose my arms in an accident and even 
my legs I'm still Lou still me in fact if I suffer  
a traumatic brain injury um because I get too 
close to some ordinance or something like that  
happens or I trip on the sidewalk I might have 
some debilitating um issues with my brain but I'm  
still L right so it's not it's not the body that 
that defines Lou the physical nuts and bolts it's  
not even the intellect that defines Lou there's 
something else that defines me it's what makes me  
me and what makes you you and your audience your 
audience because it's not just a physical body  
and a brain um the question is what is it and for 
Millennia mankind have been giving it labels like  
the soul the spirit the chi the ID whatever you 
want to call it um but there is something else  
that's a little bit more perhaps Elusive and yet 
indelible than just the physical body that that  
makes us and and and The Human Experience look I 
tell people all the time you know if you want to  
if you want to believe in in spiritualism I can 
ask you a very simple question I said do you love  
your kids and people will say yeah of course I 
do it my answer is then prove it how can you you  
can't touch it you can't taste it you can't hear 
it you can't smell it how do you know it's real  
well can you even can you even Define it for me no 
I mean we all we all feel feel it we all know it's  
there and yet we all have a very very difficult 
time putting our finger on just exactly what it  
is right and yet we all inherently accept it to be 
a real thing so we we are We Are Spiritual Beings  
at least most of us maybe unless maybe someone's 
sociopathic perhaps but we are we are beings that  
are very spiritual so is it really that much 
of a leap to say that oh I don't know and hi  
also have this aspect to them no it's it's quite 
possible look I've got four German Shepherds and  
they all have human names and they treat them 
like a human why is that are they human no of  
course they're not human but there's a connection 
there it's it's beyond just the fur and the four  
legs and the tail right there's the dogs and 
myself just like anybody who has a pet out there  
there's a connection and it it's it's a connection 
between Kindred Spirits it's not just a physical  
connection it's it's it's emotional and spirit 
connection that we have to our loved ones so  
maybe there is another aspect to this the problem 
is is that from a national security perspective  
they're not really interested in that are they 
they're interested in incursions Over Control us  
airspace they're interested in potentially 
uh reconnaissance over sensitive military  
installations they're interested in potentially 
uh the manipulation of our nuclear capabilities  
right these are National Security issues um 
if you want to talk about the other stuff  
probably your priest or your local Imam or Rabbi 
would be better suited to have that conversation  
because the National Security apparatus isn't 
really the best place to put that conversation  
if you ask me in fact I don't want a general 
telling me what to think about this topic from  
a from a spiritual perspective you want to tell me 
what to think about this from a national security  
perspective hey rock and roll I got you but don't 
tell me what this should mean to me in humanity  
from a from a psychological or sociological or 
even a theological or pH philosophical perspective  
that that that's none of their damn business that 
that's why we're having this conversation that's  
why this type of conversation is so important 
great answer um and it makes me feel like you  
always underrate yourself you say I'm not a 
physicist I don't I'm not this but actually  
you've become sort of our Carl Sean who's not uh 
you know you're explaining these complex things  
to people I like it but you say that you say that 
to all the girls I'm sure well actually I'm not I  
I think Carl Sean probably knew a lot more than he 
ever let on if if the truth be known in the future  
but anyway you're we're talking about the nuts 
and bolts the National Security parts of it and  
I understand that and in your book and in a lot 
of these U interviews you've done you talk about  
how you want to be forward-looking so obviously 
like Dave grush is talking about um a craft being  
recovered from Italy and 1933 right so you're 
saying well I'm not looking there I'm trying  
to look forward and I get that that makes a whole 
lot of sense um but on the other hand if Roswell  
was a real event then we you know how government 
works we all do government is gonna say wow that  
a big deal and they just come out of World War II 
and they're going to try to get a plan together so  
I guess I just want to know if you've heard about 
this and if so if you've heard anything that makes  
you feel one way or the other and I'm specifically 
asking can you confirm or deny that the creation  
of any kind of government group in the past that 
was either known as Majestic 12 mj12 magic 12 or  
any of that and was this Eisenhower briefing 
memo that became so famous in the 80s because  
you you had memos you brought to uh you know the a 
couple of these podcasts from the 50s so it's not  
like you're not aware of it was this Eisenhower 
briefing memo supposedly given to him after he was  
elected but before he took office in 1952 that 
told him about Roswell and Majestic 12 is that  
a real document have you heard of Majestic 12 I'm 
aware of Majestic 12 um let me see if I can answer  
this in a way that is succinct and accurate there 
is absolutely a cabal uh an organized group of  
individuals who have a comprehensive understanding 
of the US government's involvement in the UAP  
topic going back decades they are very influential 
uh and they guard this information jealously  
um in the past they have been able to exercise 
extreme influence and I cannot over overstate uh  
the terminology I'm using here okay to keep this 
conversation squelched and both Dave grush and I  
and I cannot speak for Dave have felt the brunt 
of that at one point um and I'm not prepared to  
go into that conversation right now uh that will 
at some point that part of the story will probably  
be revealed it's very concerning and disturbing um 
the length that people will go to in order to keep  
this conversation Under Wraps again I understand 
it I don't agree with it but I can understand the  
rationale um I think I'm gonna gonna leave it 
at that um I there is a very very influential  
and Powerful group of individuals and not all of 
them are necessarily happy with this conversation  
happen I guess the only followup I want on that 
is have you seen that memo Eisenhower briefing  
memo and do you have any emotional feelings one 
way or the other about whether you think it's  
real or not it was before my time I have no idea 
I wasn't even alive um you know I'm aware of it I  
saw it I I you know I didn't write it so tell on 
the same thing Lou you left an incredible job at  
the Pentagon to go and work for Tom dong at two 
the stars and it's quite obvious you don't have  
to say it it's very much in the public record 
because it was leaked to WikiLeaks it's quite  
obvious that there were conversations going 
on between John pester and the white house  
uh between General Neil mccasland General 
Michael kery Air Force and Robert Vice from  
Lockheed Martin there were clearly discussions 
going on in anticipation of a Hillary Clinton  
expected victory in the presidential elections 
that year it didn't happen though but Tom dong  
did in the Years prior to those moments make a 
number of quite astonishing claims do you take  
issue you've heard what Tom said do you think Tom 
was accurately reflecting your understanding Tom  
is his own man uh let me give you a little brief 
uh explanation of Tom Delong sometimes when you're  
in a crowded room you need you need a bullhorn 
uh to get people's attention um you hear about  
uh the proverbial bull in the china shop well Tom 
dong is the hand grenade in the punch bow uh very  
effective at getting attention when needed uh 
this was a topic that needed attention no I do  
not agree with necessarily everything Tom says nor 
does he agree with everything I say Tom is his own  
man he's by the way a very very intelligent 
individual um and extremely creative and so  
everybody's entitled to their own opinions 
uh my opinions are based upon my experience  
and the data that I saw when I was at the Pentagon 
and working with my colleagues uh Tom's opinions  
were formulated by his own experiences people he 
talked to right and quite frankly he had access  
to some very senior people as you said look I've 
spoken to John podesta myself he's not a dumb guy  
he's brilliant he's a really real I mean he's a 
he's the epitome of an intellectual um so who the  
question is was Tom getting this information 
from somebody else or was he formulating his  
own opinions based pun conversations he had with 
somebody else right and those are questions you'd  
have to ask Tom dong um I I I couldn't answer 
those um but no Tom Tom I'm sure doesn't agree  
necessarily with uh some of my postulations 
and I I I don't agree with some of his but  
it doesn't make him necessarily wrong and it 
also doesn't make him a bad guy um you know he  
he's done a lot for this for this this cause and 
disclosure and really put his own credibility on  
the on the line and put his own money on the 
line you know which is a lot more than other  
people have done in the past so you know him and 
people like Robert Bigalow put their money where  
their mouth was so Lou as we kind of wind down 
here um I just want to get clear on one thing  
because I've now read your book obviously and 
I've heard you talk at length I've heard you do  
the short interview the long interviews and what 
comes up a lot is the invocation of the NDA and  
the line and where you've actually said well you 
know there there's this line I can't I can go up  
to it I think you've said and I can put my toe 
on the line but I can't go over the line that  
kind of stuff and it's very colorful language and 
all that and I I get it but I will say that the  
one thing that's frustrating for a lot of people 
is trying to get their brains around the line now  
Ross walks his own line by the way you know where 
he's a a journalist protecting sources right so  
it's not like this is something that's only on 
you it's on a lot of people in in this in this  
world but here's here's what I'd like you to clear 
up for us as best you can right now how does one  
decide where the line is in this process that 
you're involved in and how do you define that  
line so that you know you know whether whether 
some is someone else defining the line for you  
are you the definer of the line then they gets it 
approved Where's the Line who's calling it how do  
you respect it there is a security classification 
guide that the US government has on managing this  
information I did not write it the US it is 
property of the US government and in there  
are the left and right limits and if you have a 
security clearance and you've been briefed into  
this topic there are lines in black and white I 
tell you you can't say this you can't say that you  
can say this you cannot say that and if you want 
to say that you've got to go through this process  
go through the original classification Authority 
you got to go through doser you've got to get the  
reviewers to all look at it and they will make a 
determination for you so that's really important  
to understand this is not world according to Lou 
and yes I'm willing to run right up to the line  
as I've done many times before uh but I do have 
a security clearance look I'm I'm loyal to my  
country and no I am not going to leak information 
and I'll tell you right now as I've said before  
if I put jacked up against a corner and I have to 
make a decision National Security or disclosure I  
will always choose National Security that's I'm 
not going to lie to you that's what I do because  
I'm a patriot and I love my country um but I don't 
think we have to make that choice look look how  
far we've come in the last seven years and look I 
haven't had to go to jail right and I haven't had  
to just say no I'm gonna shut up and I'm never 
going to talk about about UAP again I'm talking  
about it every day and by the way look where 
we are with Congress oh by the way now we have  
an arrow oh by the way now we've got we've got 
organizations and people coming out now that want  
to talk about this and whistleblowers right and 
so it's happening it's happening we don't have to  
violate our national security Oaths and our ndas 
to have the conversation and this is proof right  
here right now this is proof now just to follow 
that up though one of the things where you've  
defined the line is you have said repeatedly in 
your book and in some of these interviews that  
we are dealing with a non-human intelligence and a 
form of non-human technology um so what I think is  
confusing people is they like going holy crap he 
gets to say we're dealing with nonhumans but our  
government won't say it that that the government 
that is creating the line for you is saying yeah  
you can say it but we're not going to say it and 
I think that's what frustrates people do you know  
what I'm oh saying yeah I mean think about me 
how frustrated I am I mean I feel you brother I  
feel it every day I mean ask Dave grush you know 
he testified before the American people and the  
government did the same thing you can say this you 
know and he went out there and he did and boy he  
caught Flack for it you know they within 24 hours 
they tried to ruin his his reputation and his  
career um you know this is after getting approval 
to do it so um yeah it seems a little bit kind of  
disjointed does it doesn't it but I I think we're 
beginning to you know I think we're beginning to  
have that conversation I think you know as as 
NASA gets closer to potentially identifying an  
announcing Life on Mars and okay yeah look looks 
like life is more than just Earth um that part of  
the conversation probably will naturally come and 
probably very quickly well that's an optimistic  
tone Lou I'm very conscious that we're coming 
to the end of our time with you but on the way  
out is there reason for optimism with Congress I 
know all the politicians are very distracted by  
the election at the moment but do you detect any 
lack of resolve from senior people in Congress  
yeah there's a few there that that have interests 
with the military-industrial complex um and they  
historically side with them because they get their 
campaign financing through them um I don't like  
it but it's legal um fortunately there's a lot of 
people on the other side uh that that want to see  
transparency and they're they're pretty formidable 
I I I've seen them personally engage on this topic  
they're not afraid to to have the conversation 
you know I'll I'll leave you with a little joke I  
used to tell my my daughters you know I understand 
if you look at the word progress It's really the  
truncation of two words Pro in Latin meaning 
forward and Gess meaning movement so forward  
movement so it's no wonder Congress is named what 
it is but the reality is is that um the reality is  
that there are some good people there and and they 
do they do want to do the right thing and I think  
they are making a difference and just like this 
new legislation that's been put up again um for  
the National Defense authorization act you know 
people need to know that that they should support  
that this is this is this is good for our country 
this is good for America look I I strongly believe  
America deserves to know the truth America can 
handle the truth just have the conversation with  
the American people let them decide um so again 
I I don't want to disparage anybody in congress  
there there's a lot of really good people in 
Congress that are working very hard on both sides  
of the aisle let me emphasize that both sides both 
liberal and conservative so that to me is very opt  
I'm very optimistic for that if anything maybe 
it helps bring the country together on a topic  
for once you know so that's good could can I just 
ask one Parting Shot question here do we have that  
much time it's just this I Ross's experienced 
this I've experienced it you experience it and  
by it I mean we get excited we say oh my God the 
government has actually admitted that UAP is real  
you know the only question is who are they and 
what do they want but they're admitting that it  
is now real and there's whistleblowers out there 
that say we have crash wreckage and we have this  
and we get excited we tell our friends and family 
and quite often a lot of them will say huh that's  
interesting you want Italian tonight or what 
and I'm always stunned by that because I go  
what could be more important than than trying to 
get to the bottom of this so I'm just wondering  
have you experienced that and what is your 
thought yeah yes but but I think it's a good  
thing it shows you know what there was a time 
in our country everybody thought we had these  
studies done by the Rand Corporation and these 
other corporations these big thing tanks that  
said if we were honest and truthful with the 
American people about the existence of nhi and  
uaps what would the consequence of that be and 
the report said you can't do it you absolutely  
because it will it will collapse the very social 
structure and fabric of our country right people  
will go run on the banks people will lose faith 
in their religions people won't pay their taxes  
people will go rob the stores none of that's 
happened right the fact that they go me I think  
is a good thing because you know what it proves 
that we can handle the truth you know we're still  
going to pay our mortgages we're still going 
to pay our cell phones we're still we're still  
going to take our kids to the p ta meetings and 
have talked to the teacher that's a good thing  
and I I I I'm encouraged by that I'm glad it's 
being received that way because the opposite  
is catastrophic disclosure and I think most people 
in the government don't want that well Lou respect  
and appreciation for what you do thank you uh 
gentlemen my honor and privilege again thank you  
and Ross really appreciate what you guys are doing 
uh I know some of the folks that you've talked to  
and I got to tell you man you got uh you got a lot 
of weight on your shoulders brother man it's an  
interesting time for all of us Lou but thank you 
so much mate and really very strongly appreciate  
you talking to need to know absolutely again 
anytime guys take care God bless take care bye bye