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Video Title: "Luis Elizondo: What the Pentagon really knows about UFOs"

Luis Elizondo: What the Pentagon really knows about UFOs
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Luis Elizondo, who worked on the UFO team at the Pentagon, doesn't hold back with Sara in this episode about the U.S. government's probe into UFOs. For decades, governments have known about unidentified aerial phenomena, but this is the first you'll hear about what they know. | #UFO #Pentagon #UnidentifiedObjects

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpVKNI1LErs

Transcript:

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talk to you about something that i've
never talked about before on the show
i'm pushing november to november i know
so many of you are exhausted and tired
of politics me too sometimes because
there are bigger things
in this world than that and one of them
is about the pentagon's program and i
know many of you out there have seen the
new york times story
talking about the pentagon's program to
study um
unidentified aerial phenomenon or
unidentified flying
objects as many of us know it sounds
so far out there it sounds like science
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and especially this this is a topic
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we've seen shows about this you know
coming out trickling out
and a lot of that had to do with a man
that is going to be on the show his name
is lou elizado
he is an incredible human being as a
former military intelligence
official and a special agent in charge
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now as we go on we're going to be
talking about
a subject that for so many people can be
very uncomfortable
you know people don't want to go out
there they don't want to put themselves
on the line i understand
but we're living in a different world
now we live in a world where we have
technologies
that are able to capture and record
phenomena that before
maybe people talked about and nobody
else believed right
they thought as this person lost their
minds or this can't be true
or you know the government finds a way
to cover it up and calls it a weather
balloon whatever you know
i want to go back to the roswell
incident um
but now we have technology and we have
capabilities that we
never had before and we are able to
record
these phenomenas for the most part and
we have
and this is the reason why the new york
times
not that i believe everything the new
york times wrote because my gosh i'm
i broke a ton of stories on the russia
hoax and they were wrong on it
but this story this story is verified
that there was and there is a department
at the pentagon that is monitoring what
they call unidentified aerial phenomena
lou elizado led that
department inside the pentagon he is not
there now
he he moved on he still holds a very
high level security clearance
um he was the former director of the
advanced aerospace threat identification
program
it is a secretive pentagon unit that
studied
these ufos these unidentified aerial
phenomenons
and as a senior counterintelligence
officer for the department of defense
he operated in afghanistan i've traveled
there many times look
lou has been all over the place he has
worked with our government
they have entrusted him with some of the
highest classified secrets
including this but there is a lot of
evidence out there
that this exists and we have been
witness to that so i think the
government is coming
to a point where americans
are going to be made and the world for
that matter more
aware of what these possibilities are
what is what is it that we're seeing
what is it that our navy is seeing
what is it that our uh pilots are seeing
you know commercial air pilots
what is it that we are seeing in our
night skies that we cannot explain
is this a national security risk yes
this is a national security risk because
when you hear
lou talk about these spacecraft about
these ships
that have been recorded and monitored
and out there now the tic tac
incident is one of those that you can
see online
that the government has declassified you
can watch his show
unidentified inside america's ufo
investigations
that's inside america's ufo
investigations
okay lou this has been a long time
coming i have
for so long wanted to just we had a
lunch together and i wanted to just sit
down and
interview you probably for about two
years now and
we've always been just kind of hit and
miss so i'm so grateful to have you
on the sarah carter show today it means
a lot to me because
so much has happened over the last two
years particularly since you went public
with the information from the pentagon
on it's not ufo
anymore folks not so much not
unidentified flying objects
but unidentified aerial phenomena so
thank you so much lou for being on the
show today
miss carter it's my honor and pleasure
thank you very much and before
we begin i also want to do a quick thank
you to your spouse
um i know he served in the military
and uh you know unfortunately sustained
some injuries i just want to say
thank you for his service and again
thank you for your service i'm not sure
the american people realize that
uh that when a service member goes
overseas or or serves her country
there are people that are left behind
that are that are also still serving
their country
and very much you and your family have
served just as much as he and i want to
thank you
on behalf of the american people thank
you for your service as well oh thank
you so much lou
and you also served our nation um i want
to go into that a little bit let's just
talk about your background a little bit
before we
dive into the subject that everybody is
like on the edge of their seats uh
wanting to discuss this is probably
probably one of the most important
topics globally
and i think of interest of science is
are we alone in the universe
but uh you're the man on the forefront
of bringing that
to the people of the world not just the
american people but everyone around the
world we
we want answers we want to know what's
going on but you also served
our nation and you have been serving our
nation since you were a young man can
you give people some insight into what
you've done i mean you've been in
afghanistan you've been in central
america south america talk a little bit
about your work yeah sure uh i think
like a lot of folks they get into
uh into some sort of service related
profession because
they have a desire to to to serve the
american people in my case i come from
on my father's side an immigrant family
they're all exiles from cuba my father
was involved in the bay of pigs
so for me uh for me freedom
and independence is something that that
that
has to be earned and there's a sacrifice
behind it and i was taught at a very
young age uh from my my family that you
know freedom isn't free
and so for me i i felt that after after
graduating college
that it was my time to to give a little
back uh
and so i decided to join the united
states army
um you know a lot of folks out there
that have been in the navy and air force
and whatnot there's this
kind of rivalry we have i tell people i
just i guess they didn't have a high
enough asvab score to get into
the other services but um i was very
fortunate and
as a young man i went into into the
united states army
and you know it really it really helped
me be who i am today from the army i i
was involved in some
special activities and programs after
that and recruited into a very nuanced
uh effort and uh that took me uh
to latin america and uh we were running
intelligence operations primarily
uh counterinsurgency human intelligence
counter-intelligence and some
counter-narcotics
and then my life changed like like it
did for for a whole lot of people
after 9 11 um my my focus became
primarily at that point counterterrorism
and counter-intelligence focusing on
places like afghanistan
and the middle east um you know no not
really a whole lot different than other
folks who've been in the military
i'm sure they can relate and after that
i found myself
working in dc this is the best part guys
because i mean it's all
it's all amazing but your life is so
incredible because
not only did you work in these very i
call it cloak and dagger
um you know uh activities or departments
within
the military but then you go to the most
compelling most secretive most
investigated i would think area of
the pentagon right we didn't even know
until you went public
that there was a division actually
continuing to investigate
unidentified uh aerial phenomena or ufos
we had no idea
so talk a little bit about that sorry to
interrupt but i'm just so excited about
this part
of your story no i i i understand um
you're absolutely right i in 2008 by the
way i didn't ask for the position uh
most of the jobs i've ever had in
in the department uh pretty much i was i
was voluntold
i was assigned so as your husband can
attest a lot of times
you're just told to do a mission and
that's what you do that's that's your
job
in this particular case in 2008 uh i had
left
working the director of national
intelligence the dni
and uh was asked to come over to the
department of defense to establish some
new programs
and it was during that time that some
people approached me uh
you know not not too different than what
you would see in a hollywood movie which
is
kind of bizarre but some folks showed up
to my office and they said hey
are you lou elizondo uh we'd like to
talk to you and of course the first
thing that comes to mind is uh oh you
know
what i do now right um and uh
they said listen you know you have uh
you have some background
in aerospace we see uh and you're a cia
guy
counterintelligence guy and we'd like to
talk to you about maybe using some of
your
expertise in a portfolio that we have
it's a very nuanced portfolio we can't
tell you much about it uh but you know
if you're interested let us know
and so after about two or three of these
really kind of mysterious weird meetings
where
i wasn't quite sure someone's setting me
up here is this a joke or
you know is this some sort of ig
investigation long story short they
asked me to
attend a meeting uh in a undisclosed
facility uh
in the dc area and see our national
capital region
and there i sat down with the gentleman
uh he
you know you're i don't want to say your
typical scientist but when you think of
a rocket scientist
you think of somebody who just you know
they look they ooze
that that educated look well this
gentleman
was definitely that was it elon musk no
i'm just joking
this person was not elon musk uh he had
a uh he
wore glasses uh a very nice suit
but uh clearly he was uh he was indeed a
scientist and he
sat down and he asked us to look very
very uh
impressive background we think that
you're going to make a good fit here but
i got to ask you a question
i said sure he said what do you think
about
ufos and uh kind of
kind of took me by surprise for a second
and you know of course you're thinking
to yourself is this a trick question
is this just trying to you know assess
my my gullibility
and i told them the truth i said uh i i
don't think about ufos
i said well what do you mean you don't
think about ufos i said well i don't
have the luxury to i don't have an
opinion either way
i don't i don't have any data in front
of me and quite frankly i've i've you
know
been busy on other things and
his response to me was that was that's
great lou uh you know i'm glad you have
that open mind but don't let your
your own your own bias uh analytic bias
get in your way because you may learn
some things that will
really surprise you and that began my
long road
uh i mean one second lou did that one
second lou did that
when now when i'm hearing you describe
this moment i mean was it just kind of
like what went through your mind were
you just like
holy cow i am so gonna take this job or
whoa
wait a minute do i want to jump into
this what were the what were the
thoughts running through your mind at
that moment
you know i think the first thought was
okay there's a hidden camera here
somewhere
and a bunch of my my uh old uh
special operations friends are setting
me up right i could see them doing that
right you know and uh because you know
they're kind of crazy that way sometimes
uh but you know he didn't flinch and he
wasn't smiling he wasn't laughing and he
had a stack of papers on his desk
and i i knew very quickly he was serious
this was not a joke
and so uh you know i i guess i approach
this the same way i do everything else
take the take the topic of ufos out of
the equation
and what you're left is with a a a big
question of what something is no
different than when you're running a
counter-terrorism investigation or an
espionage investigation
you're trying to find facts and you're
trying to collect evidence
and present that evidence before a jury
if you will
uh so i i think basically my
my initial response was probably like
everybody else i kind of leaned back a
little bit in my chair and kind of
looked at him and was trying to assess
his body language
uh but very quickly i realized he was
serious and at that point i also
realized i probably couldn't have this
conversation
uh with anybody else at this point
that's very interesting because
i this you know this is going back to
2008
you ended up taking the job you still
have a security clearance
uh there are things that you're and let
me bring this up so that
all of you out there who are listening
to lou right now i mean
he has this phenomenal show it's called
unidentified
inside america's ufo investigation and
it's on history channel and
i gotta tell you it just blows my mind
because he gets people on the show
uh that have never spoken publicly
before these are
senior officials within the military
people who have
firsthand witness eyewitness accounts of
these
phenomena that cannot be explained um
but you are very
clear in the show and you and you're
very clear in your real in real life
that you are not going to discuss
anything that is classified so
everything that you are discussing right
now with me
on the sarah carter show is um these are
situations that have been declassified
am i right or situations that you can
discuss
i mean these are details i can certainly
discuss because in order i think
there's a big mystery on what makes
information classified
right and really according to u.s law
there's really only two things
the reason why you classify information
and that's to protect sources
and methods so as long as i don't get
into any detail about sources and
methods
uh for example uh specifics on
individuals
and how information is collected right
anything that could give away
a key piece of our capability to a
foreign adversary
um i should be okay there are security
classification guides that i have to
obviously be familiar with there are
categories of information that i
i absolutely cannot discuss and i don't
intend to i mean i i
i very much i very much take my my oath
my security oath seriously my
non-disclosure agreements i do i still
do have my
my security clearance that's an absolute
fact so uh you know to some degree my
hands are a little bit tied
but it from from another perspective too
i
i have a lot more freedom now than i
ever had before when i was when i was an
18.
right so talk to me a little bit about
well first
let's jump into something that that i
know all of you out there want to
to hear first of all it's the tic tac
incident uh obviously when i was
texting lou uh yesterday and we were uh
i was doing it by voice command it said
the tick tock incident
no this is the tic tac incident that
happened um in 2014 correct
uh and this was with our u.s navy and
the nimitz can you talk a little bit
about that because that was the first
major episode of your series and i found
it to be so
fascinating and there were so many
eyewitnesses
and you you delved into it like i've
never seen anyone
um in regards to taking so seriously
what is a viable situation that could
possibly be a threat we don't know
um of these unidentified aerial
phenomenas
yeah sure uh so the tic tac incident
actually began
uh in 2004 in november believe
but actually you're not you're still
accurate because these events continued
all the way up until
to present day so actually you're you
are accurate but let's let's start i
guess maybe with
with the genesis of the whole tic tac
event for maybe your listeners who
aren't familiar with it
in november 2004 the uss
nimitz battle group which is a
nuclear-powered aircraft carrier along
with a bunch of other boats
they're going out and they're doing what
they call their work-ups and their
workups are basically kind of
kind of training up before you go on a
real-world deployment right this is
post-911
the united states has got a huge
security posture and the nimitz is about
to go
out and and do its job so for the for
the
for the months before this this
deployment
they're doing workups they're training
and as a result
you have this huge navy footprint out in
the middle of the pacific ocean
uh off the coast of of san diego
california
and lo and behold uh you have these
these aircraft you have two f-18
fighters uh
navy fighters that are in this kind of
this simulation
dog fight with two marine corps f-18s
and this is this is common this is how
you practice right
and all of a sudden uh the crackling
over the radio you
hear these voices and these voices are
coming in from
at the time the e2 hawkeye which is the
the if you will think of a quarterback
on a on a ball field they had this huge
radar dome and their job
is to have a common operating picture of
the battle space using this this super
radar
you also have a ship the uss princeton
at the time that has a spy-1 radar one
of the world's premier
radar arrays on the planet at the time
and all of a sudden you hear these
voices coming into the pilots and the
pilots
recount this on actually on the show but
they've also done this for for others as
well
um and all of a sudden they're vectored
they say hey listen there's something on
the radar we're picking up we want you
guys to go check it out
so lo and behold the two navy f-18s go
out uh not sure what this is they're
thinking maybe is it a drill is it an
exercise
and the voices on the radio that are
that are both on the princeton
and uh on e2 hawkeye say this is not a
drill this is this is real world
so naturally the pilots are thinking
maybe this is some sort of drug
interdiction
or maybe there's an airplane that went
down and as they look into the water
they notice
this roiling of the ocean and above that
is this object that is described by the
pilots as a
white tic tac it's this perfectly smooth
cylindrical shaped object no wings no
no means of thrust or propulsion no
cockpit no lights no rivets just as
smooth
object that looks like like a white tic
tac and this thing
is moving erratically over the surface
of the water
uh about 50 feet uh and not like a
helicopter that would be hovering this
thing is is really moving erratically
how big is it it's about
how big was it yep yeah you're about
right about 40 feet
an approximate estimation is about it's
this object's about 40 feet
and as one of the pilots uh at the time
commander dave fravor goes into a little
bit more of an offensive position to get
a
a good look at this thing all of a
sudden this thing
starts countering his maneuvers uh
elevates in altitude
and then all of a sudden just takes off
like a bat out of hell
gone over the horizon within within
literally blink of an eye
and this was witnessed not only by
commander fravor and jim slate who have
now been on the record to talk about
this
but two other individuals who are still
by the way active duty and very senior
in the navy
um whose identity i won't reveal right
now because they've asked not to be to
be revealed
uh but they all saw the same object at
the same time at the same place do
exactly the same thing now
let's let's take this into context these
are trained observers these are
individuals who are trained to look at
at an aircraft 20 miles away and and
determine is it an f-16 is an sg22 is it
a mig-25
or is it a you know a european tornado
and yet this thing doesn't look like any
aircraft they've ever seen oh by the way
it turns out
that this encounter was backed up by
radar data
on both the e2 hawkeye and the uss
princeton and there's gun camera footage
right so
for it's it's easy for someone to say
look you know maybe they saw something
it was an optical illusion it was a
weather anomaly
but now you have it actually on gun
camera footage
and radar data so you have three
separate
data points all looking at the same
object at the same place
and doing the same things i mean this
was really the first time we had this
compelling data
we had the technology to to to
to capture one of these things after
that
was that when the pentagon realized okay
this is
really important the us military i know
other
other nations other nation status great
britain
france uh germany other nations
russia are very interested in what
they consider to be ufos you know
unidentified flying objects unidentified
aerial phenomena
was this the point where the united
states government said
whoa wait a minute we need to start
monitoring this or did it happen
later after numerous other sightings
that's a great question you know that
the answer is going to be both
yes and no and let me explain that for a
minute so there
the united states government has had
other quote unquote ufo or uap
programs in the past and i think most
notably people are aware of
maybe or maybe tangentially of a program
called project blue book
um you know our since world war ii our
pilots have been reporting strange
things in the sky
back then they refer to them as quote
unquote foo fighters
um but enough pilots were witnessing
these and allied pilots where
i think the us military realized there's
something to this what
this is we don't know yet but but
something is really there
and so you've had over decades these
different iterations of programs
that have come forward and been revealed
now
when you asked me the question is this
the first time the u.s
government in recent history took this
topic seriously
the answer was a definitive yes but i'll
also share with you sarah that
uh not too long ago for
for a while when i was when i was part
of atef i really thought this
this was it we were kind of the the
first if you will and premier
uh program like this in the u.s
government but it wasn't until
afterwards that uh and i have to be
careful about providing the
circumstances but
i met an individual and i met this
individual in official us government
spaces
and this individual was sponsored by
some very very senior people
and they asked me to come in and give
them uh if
you will a back briefing of the aids
program and these again these are senior
government officials so
i gave them a briefing and i noticed
there was a gentleman sitting in the
back corner older gentleman
didn't say anything didn't introduce
himself was just listening to me
and because i was invited to speak with
them obviously i'm not going to ask them
who this individual is it's really
frankly none of my business
when i was finished with this this
briefing
the individual stood up he walked over
to me he he shook my hand he said i just
wanted to let you know
lou i used to have your program
now i didn't know what he meant by that
because obviously i've had a lot of
programs in in my time
in my career and i said so which one are
you referring to
and he looked at me he said the program
you're briefing on right now
i used to run the same program
back in the navy in the 1980s
so that exactly right that
to me that was that was kind of a
frankly a stunning moment because
up to that point truthfully truthfully i
didn't know that there was ever truly
another program after
after blue book right because blue book
was supposed to be the end of it
just for every one of you out there who
doesn't know about project blue book i
mean blue book really
uh was like we're closing the books the
united states government
on you know aerial phenomena we don't
have any evidence of it it was like when
the air force tried to throw everybody
off um
for those people especially that believe
and that
have said there's so much evidence out
there that there is
uh unidentified flying objects or aerial
phenomena that is not from this earth or
appears not to be from this earth or
something that the united states
government can't identify
am i right lou that this was project
blue book was
they were out there to investigate it
and basically after project blue book
the they threw away the key that's what
we were told
yeah you're 100 correct and i'll share
something else with you sarah and your
audience that very few people are aware
of
when i went down to south america latin
america here this last year for for one
of the episodes we had spoken to with
some very senior
uh active duty military personnel and
some other countries down there
i was absolutely floored when i went to
uruguay
i spoke to to some of the military
individuals who run their existing
program now here in the united states we
don't like to talk about it but down
there in latin america and other
countries
they have no problems talking about uaps
ufos in fact they have
actually official government sanctioned
programs that's that's paid by the
government
and in this particular case the longest
standing government
controlled ufo program in in
this hemisphere is actually out of
uruguay and when i went down there
and they started giving me a briefing on
their current investigations
and what what they're seeing i asked
them very specifically you know
you you began back in the late 70s what
predicated this
why did you start this program back in
the 70s
and they they said to me and it's
actually that's on camera
they said we started this program
because of a direct
request by the united states embassy
in 1978 here they asked us to do it and
then they provided
us the united states embassy provided us
all the
the the investigative material and
standard operating procedures
for project blue book and also was so
was uruguay a cut out
was that what it was possession you're
absolutely right i mean that that's one
is led to believe that okay the u.s
government is washing their hands
officially of this
or certainly at least publicly but
behind back channels
is asking other countries to now do what
the u.s government is pretending not to
do and when they open up the books i'm
looking at these sops i'm looking at the
investigative procedures
they are absolutely right out of the
united states
handbook for project blue book so the
question is
why is there such a disparity is it a
stigma issue uh is it a is there some
sort of weird national security issue
so those are some of the things some of
the questions that you know when you say
the program ended right well you brought
up something maybe no
well you brought up something sorry to
cut you off but when you brought up
something that was
really important and i think i i heard
it repeated
um over and over again in your
television series
unidentified inside america's ufo
investigation for all of you out there
who are interested in this subject i
i mean this is for me like if i were to
do anything else in my life this is what
i would study because i think it's
probably going to be one of the greatest
if not the greatest discoveries in human
history
will be to find out that we're either
not alone in the universe or that we are
i mean we don't have the answers yet so
i think this is for me one of the
greatest
moments of human history and we're at an
apex now where we can
we can record these this is what lou's
saying we can you know
monitor our skies the way we've never
been able to before but you said lou
you would say this is a process not an
event
that was really interesting to me
because
and he's talking you were talking about
the revelation
like for humanity to understand like i
mean it would be kind of weird
if like all of a sudden out of nowhere
um
we were visited right we had an
encounter what they call a close
encounter like just a ship landed and
all of a sudden like
you know it's like independence day or
something crazy aliens are running
around and they're looking weird and i
mean
i think it would throw a shock wave
through our planet but
um but a process a process of unraveling
right
our universe what do you mean by that is
it our process
is it the process of who we're being
visited by
what do you think it is that we're
coming to an a point where
we're gonna have some of these answers
well i i you know that's a first of all
thank you for asking that question
because i
i do i i think that quote-unquote
disclosure with a capital d
uh is a process and it's a process for
for for many people for for many
different reasons
you know i i've often said that this is
a topic that affects us all
equally because we all live on this
little rock together called earth
but also differently because we're all
we're all raised a little different we
have
different philosophical leanings and
theological leanings and sociological
leanings and
political leanings right so it this is a
topic that
you know i'm not a smart enough man to
tell
people what how they should how they
should process this that's not my job
you want to know what that is to go talk
to your your priest or your rabbi
or you want to talk to a an academic or
a scientist
my job is simply to look at this from a
national security perspective
and and we've come to realize that
even just from that narrow slice of the
pie perspective
it's been a monumental effort there are
people who
just don't want to have the conversation
um
and there's again a lot of reasons for
it uh why is that
right we name some of them name just a
couple of those reasons why people
won't want to discuss this
wow uh well i can tell you from personal
persp personal perspective
um i've had an experience where i had a
very senior person in the u.s government
told me flat out lou we want you to stop
this program
and my response was well okay sir i i
can understand that but can you
can you give me the reason why uh
because
from our perspective these things are
absolutely real we
we are seeing these we're recording them
we've got the date on them
and the response back to me was lou
we're not arguing that they're real we
know they're real
but we don't think we don't think you
know what they really
are and so at that point i'm thinking oh
maybe this is some sort of secret
u.s kind of program that they didn't
read me onto which i'm fine with
uh and i said well okay sir that's
that's fine and
his response back to me was what you're
dealing with
are demonic beings and
you know i can respect people's
philosophical and theological positions
you know
i'm not here to argue that with anybody
but at the same time
to to jump to a conclusion like that and
stop a
a valid program for looking at a
potential national security threat
because it um goes against one's
theological belief
belief system i think that's a mistake
and that's just one example i've had
i'll tell you another example
i was a at a briefing edit with a very
very senior member of the department of
defense i mean one of the top top people
uh i won't mention the person's name and
after an hour briefing and showing
videos and having pilots come in
and give their testimony at the end of
that discussion
i had this complete blank stare on this
person's face
and they looked at me and they asked me
about the
how the miami hurricanes are doing this
football season
and it occurred to me at that point that
we're talking about a topic that some
people just for whatever reason
you just can't process it um and and i'm
i'm pretty sure different people are
going to take this differently
um so i i can't speak on behalf of
everybody but i can tell you from
personal
experience there are some there are some
individuals who that for whatever reason
this just conflicts with their their
view on how the world should be
and and how the universe should be
potentially and
do you think lou do you think um that we
have
actually been visited i mean i'm just
you know
do you believe that like others like
some people
just chalk it up to oh maybe this is
some kind of government classified
government program that we
just don't understand or do you believe
based on the
evidence that has been collected and the
people that you have interviewed just
based on that
that there is something here that goes
far beyond
our our earth something that we may be
dealing with i mean i find it hard to
believe that we're alone in such a vast
universe
well you know let's let's let's start
with it with uh you asked me a a
question i think that's
that deserves a a thorough answer so let
me start by saying you know
people say well could this be some sort
of secret u.s technology well
you don't spend 22 million dollars of
taxpayer money
to try to figure out your own technology
you don't do that
you don't fly a super secret aircraft
over major populated u.s cities if you
want them to stay secret
we have entire test ranges for that
purpose
so for someone to make the argument this
is really some sort of u.s secret
technology
um if that was the case this would be
such a breakdown
in in our own ability to to
be aware situational wear over on skies
that we'd be in trouble we'd have to
fire the entire department of defense in
the intelligence community and start
over so
i don't think it's our technology the
next question is is it foreign
adversarial technology well
okay let's go down that rabbit hole for
a second if that's the case
then there is some foreign adversary who
has managed to leapfrog ahead of us
not just to next generation technology
but
beyond next generation technology and oh
by the way they've done this now for
decades
if that's the case and that's really
what's happening here then you're
looking at one of the
greatest intelligence failures of this
country
eclip eclipsing that of of 911
intelligence failures so
so if that's the case then we've got
some significant problems now
let's take out of the equation it's not
u.s technology and it's not foreign
adversarial technology
then what is it well i think there's
lots of options uh
without going into what my personal
opinion is because
i think sarah at the end of the day my
opinion doesn't count i know people want
to know lou what do you think and at the
end of the day
it doesn't really matter what lou thinks
my job as an investigator
has always been very simple collect the
truth speak the truth
that's it and provide that information
that evidence to the jury
and in this case sarah as i've mentioned
before you
are the jury your audience is the jury
so
my job is simple give the information
provide it over to you
in a consumable manner and then you make
a determination
what it means tell me that evidence
because this is so important i want
people to understand at least with
the tic tac incident right and the
incidents that we've
and you've been able to uh expose and
document
along with others explain just quickly
kind of
what the capabilities of these
technologies that we're monitoring
are doing just so you guys out there can
understand it because it's incredible i
mean
when you hear what he has to say it's
going to blow your mind because
we don't have anything today nothing
today that can actually do that that
i've
ever seen or read about you're
absolutely correct sarah um and this is
why in in the program that i was part of
at
we had to as an intelligence
organization because ultimately this
wasn't intelligence activity
we had to try to if you will separate
the wheat
right from from from the chaff and in
order to do that
what you need to do is come up with
certain categories
that allow you to put these objects into
these little neat boxes and say okay
this is something that truly does not
fit into anything that we currently have
so
what are those categories well we refer
to them as the as the observables
and there are five if you will
observables from a scientific
perspective we can look at and say okay
that is definitely not our technology so
the question is what are those
observables well the first one
is instantaneous acceleration let's take
this pen for a second
and if i go from this position to this
position and back again
there are certain inertial forces that
are experienced
on the pen and it's a product of
acceleration
and so that put this into context the
human being can withstand about
nine g forces before you start having
significant physiological effects on the
human body in fact we create g
suits to try to minimize those effects
now that in comparison to let's say an
f-16 which is one of our most highly
maneuverable aircraft
designed specifically for to handle
these heavy g-loads
can hold about 16 g's before you start
having wings snap off the aircraft
the objects we're seeing are performing
well above
400 500 600 700
g-forces something well beyond the
the healthy biological limitations for
something to withstand
that's just so you're done insane i mean
when you think about that it's insane i
mean it
for us to comprehend that it's it's it's
so fast
for for all of you out there that are
listening to lou it would be so fast
that it would be like you would see your
pen in your right hand and then it would
automatically just show up in your left
you wouldn't even see the movement it's
that fast or actually it would be a
greater analogy is you you have a pen in
your left hand all of a sudden it shows
up in miami
i mean that's you're talking about
something that is accelerating
well beyond anything that we know
technologically and we have that
documented correct
we have that document absolutely we do
and it's on radar and
we've had this actually the scary thing
is we've had this data since going back
to the 1950s
um but that's another story and then the
other observable the second observable
because i haven't forgot your question
is hypersonic velocity now hypersonic
velocity are those
speeds that are defined in excess of
mach 5
so you're looking at speeds well above
3000 miles an hour
now we know there's only a few vehicles
that that are in our inventory can go
that fast
not a nasty time right no we're talking
like
like literally a rocket right or we're
talking about a hypersonic missile
and by the way those objects can't stop
on a dime and they can't change
directions right they're moving
so fast that that it you can't change
directions plus there's something called
signatures
when you're moving that fast you have
heat ablation off the front of the
aircraft you have
atmospheric ionization the stripping of
the electrons
off of the atmosphere you have acoustic
signatures like sonic booms and you have
contrails right
the smoke that everybody sees behind a
jet plane when it's flying at altitude
and yet these things have none of those
signatures they don't have a sound
they're not breaking you don't hear the
sound barrier being being broken that
that sonic boom
you don't have the associated contrails
you don't have anything and these are
somehow able to do it they have no wings
they have no control surfaces they have
no obvious means of propulsion
so that's the second observable the
third observable is a bit of an oxymoron
but
it's called low observability they're
hard to track on radar when you look at
them with the naked eye
you see something but it's really hard
to figure out what it is
uh are they cloaked i mean is it cloaked
is that how you're seeing it is it
kind of like cloaked against the sky or
is it because it's moving so fast
well in some cases when it's not moving
it's hovering it's still
really bizarre um the human eye can
sometimes
see it and see it clearly but we have
nothing to compare it to
to to describe it like you see like you
hear it it's a giant tic tac right
but what does that mean i mean a tic tac
shouldn't fly a tic-tac doesn't hover a
tic-tac doesn't
move at hypersonic velocities and yet
that's what all of them are seeing
it makes no sense and yet there it is
and there it is in the in the gun camera
and
there it is on radar so so that's kind
of one of those
those things that you look at from a
category perspective low observability
where it's still this enigma right the
fourth observable is something called
transmedium travel so back to our
aircraft analogy here
a plane looks like a plane because we
designed it to fly in the atmosphere it
has a nose it has a tail it has an
engine it has a rudder because it has to
fly
now a plane doesn't look like a rocket a
rocket that is in
in low earth orbit there is no
atmosphere in fact wings are useless so
you have thrusters and you have a
chemical rocket engine
and if you compare a rocket to let's say
a submarine a submarine is under water
it doesn't look like a plane or a rocket
it uses a propeller and it uses
buoyancy to to go up and down so
my point being here is that when you
have an object that you want to operate
in two different environments
let's say a seaplane right you can have
a plane that flies and also one that
lands in water
but it's always a design compromise a
sea plane is neither a really good
airplane
nor is it really good on the water it's
always a compromise yet the things we're
seeing
can fly in our atmosphere potentially
low earth orbit and even under water
and they're not changing their design
characteristics they can perform exactly
the same
as they do in any other environment so
that just blows my mind
and we have evidence of this
the pentagon has evidence of this the
defense department has evidence of this
this is a situation
actually that happened off the coast of
catalina correct where they actually saw
military personnel actually saw one of
these described tic tacs go
under the water correct yeah it was
reported and even and potentially been
picked up by
by submarines if your your audience is
interested there is a
a little known uh uh i don't know how to
say this the right way um
a little known endeavor uh and there was
by the navy
and they actually have a nickname for
these things
and they're called fast movers these are
objects that are being tracked under
water
uh moving much much quicker than the
laws of physics
allow underwater uh so just kind of
if you're interested you can look up
that term fast navy fast movers and
and you'll see some data on it and of
course the last observable is positive
lift
or i guess maybe in the vernacular
anti-gravity
you have an object in order to to defy
the natural effects of earth's
gravitational pull
there's really only three ways to do it
one is is flight right you have your
plane here flying
and you have four fundamental forces you
have thrust
lift drag and weight and when you know
how to how to manipulate
those you can have an airplane you fly
another way
is sheer ballistics you can put enough
of a of a
charge under something like a giant
mortar or a missile
where you can literally blow it up uh
for a little while to flying earth's
gravity
and then of course it comes back it
falls back down and then the last way
is through buoyancy or lighter than air
like a hot air balloon or a helium
balloon that we see all the time
uh these uh for will will seemingly defy
the natural effects of earth's gravity
until it gets up to about a certain
altitude and then they come back down
again
but those are really the only ways we
know how to
to defy earth's gravity and yet these
things don't have wings they don't have
engines they don't have control surfaces
by all accounts these things are flying
but they don't have any means of lift
there's no there's no rocket engine
there's no jet engine there's no
propeller
there's nothing and so yet there it is
again
the the enigma that we're forced to deal
with
that we're pretty we know it's not our
technology we're pretty darn sure it's
not foreign adversarial technology
so then whose is it right so this is
more i'm going to ask a few more
questions because i i need to get to
these with you lou
i'm taking a lot longer than i would
normally with any other guest because
it's so fascinating to me
so i i'm going to ask you here live so
to speak
uh on the air with you would you be
willing to continue to come back
on the sarah carter show and just be
able to
talk to us more about this because this
to me
is one of the most important stories of
our lifetime
i mean i've covered a lot of stories
nothing
compares to this in my opinion
sarah you have an amazing show it would
be my honor and privilege
to come back any time you want wow you
guys heard that out there right
you heard it out there lou elizado has
agreed to come back on the show and
and just and we're going to work on this
together because i think
getting the word out to the american
people which is going to lead me to this
question
has the president president trump and
other
presidents i know we've i've i've i've
remember bob lazar
and and he he was somebody who came out
and spoke out and a lot of people
uh who are i guess i would i don't want
to say ufo fans or people that are
interested in the subject
know who bob lazar is that he said he
worked at area 51
that he said other presidents were aware
of this um i'd like to get your take on
him but
is president trump aware of what is
interested aware of what is happening
now and
also the senate intelligence committee
and others that i mean because to me
this is a real national security issue
um so sarah i'm going to try to answer
this as as best i can without
without answering on behalf of other
people um
because i'm no longer in the u.s
government i do not have the right or
the privilege to answer on behalf of the
us government but
i think it's it's fair to to assess at
this point
that the president of the united states
has been briefed on aspects of this
and certainly members of congress have
been
in some cases i have i have
direct knowledge of some of these
briefings with that
said who was actually briefed on what
they were actually briefed on
um i'm i'm gonna politely deflect and
allow
them to answer that question and i think
when you when you have senators
being briefed on topic and they come
back and they say
hey by the way this is serious we need
to look into it that should be an
indicator to the american people
that this is a serious topic you don't
have elected officials putting their
political careers on the line
and potentially their election just to
go chase shadows that's that's
that's not what they're going to do
these people are risk-averse
and you know that one of their prime
primary uh motivations is to be
re-elected and if you look like a kook
or a loon
chances are you're not going to get
re-elected right so i i think it's
fair to say that enough people now
there's a critical mass where enough
people have realized
that this is this is real the reality is
here now but the stigma is changing but
the stigma
is changing lou the stigma is changing
that's what we're seeing a change
in the stigma it's not just about you
know i used to call it ufo theory every
time somebody would try to downplay a
story
or make it a conspiracy theory i would
call it ufo theory because for a long
time
you know somebody would say oh i saw
something in the sky it was completely
bizarre or you know
these would be normal people with no
psychological issues whatsoever
and immediately even if it was on the
news you would hear newscasters like
hahaha you know they would play ufo
music
they would laugh about it they would
blow it off but now
tucker carlson um who i think is
a remarkable guy fox news or a friend
somebody who i have a lot of respect for
is he put you on his show he is taking
this seriously and he has said
this story himself he has said is
one of the greatest stories of modern
human history if we can if we can prove
it
well the stigma is changing in part
because of the courage of people like
you sir i mean you are in the media
and you have a tremendous amount to lose
from a credibility perspective and you
know i think you're right i think three
years ago
you were probably considered crazy to
report on this
issue and now i think we're seeing a
change where you know you almost got to
be crazy not to report on this issue
because there's just
there's so much evidence now being
provided both at the at the unclassified
and at the classified levels and so a
lot of this stigma
that you're seeing that is kind of
melting away is because people like you
are willing to go ahead and report on
this topic for the first time and
and not laugh and not giggle and you
know think of
tinfoil hats or quote unquote elvis on
the mothership
this is a potentially real national
security issue and our politicians
are are getting briefed on this and and
they are agreeing this is a
a significant potentially national
security issue so
if you want to know why that stigma is
changing i i would suggest look in the
mirror it's changing because people like
you have the courage to report on it
well thank you so much lou and i okay so
this is what we need to talk about next
time i'm gonna just throw it out there
we need to talk about tom dalon
and you know blink 132 and how he got
uh you know in touch with you and how
this all came about to inform the
american people i am a huge fan of his
too so i know you and i talked about
that yesterday i want to ask you more
about
um bob lazar um maybe give me one
sentence your quick
thoughts on him um do you have any or do
you not want to talk about it
uh i don't know mr lazar uh
i've never met him and i don't know him
personally so you know i think it's
probably
as i mentioned earlier i don't like to
give my opinion um
you know especially if it's an
uninformed
opinion uh i you know i
i don't even like to give opinions about
myself quite frankly let alone somebody
else so
i i'll probably um politely again
reflect that question as well but tom i
can talk about i know i know tom quite
well
totally fine so tom is good and i wanted
i'm going to get into more about uruguay
i want to talk about the
i actually did cover an event in
washington dc i don't know if you
remember this it was a big
congressional hearing uh that happened
um years ago
and uh people from all over the world
testified
that would be you remember that uh yeah
it was that was a citizen i heard about
the citizens hearing
we stayed away from it on purpose
because obviously you know we didn't
want to
cross streams but yeah we were aware of
it absolutely yeah so the citizens
hearing so i was very well we
i talked to the folks that were
witnesses to randall from forest
incident in
in great britain near our nuclear sites
i talked to
pilots from iran pilots from british
airways that
actually saw and and gave testimony to
congress that they actually saw
unidentified aerial phenomenon that they
could not explain so i would
love to get into all those details with
you and before i let you go is there any
last words you'd like to
say i mean because i think for so many
people it's kind of a frightening
new idea for them you know like
we may not be alone and if we're not
and what we're seeing belongs to uh
civilization
which appears to be far more advanced
than ours
that's a little concerning uh
you know i i think with every challenge
comes opportunity
uh i think it can absolutely be
concerning i also
think there could be you know
potentially some some benefits
if that was the case i would like to say
one alibi here and that is if people
really want to know how serious the
government is taking this
they only have to look at the rental
shim incident which he just brought up
and realized that
two individuals that were directly
involved in that incident i won't go
into more detail but
your audience can look it up have just
recently been given
full benefits disability benefits
by the us government and it specifies
because of their involvement in the
rendelsham incident
that is on paper that is documented by
the u.s government admitting
they sustained injuries as a result of
that event so
i'll i'll leave you and your audience
with that and also the fact that
you asked me is it possible there's life
in the universe and my response is
just look around you life is everywhere
on this one little rock we call earth
life is is is in the deepest part of the
of the antarctic ice it's in the
the darkest and deepest places of the
ocean
uh it's on the tallest mountains it's
everywhere so
um i think maybe what we need to do is
is
kind of sit back for a little bit and
maybe re-evaluate of what we consider
life is
what it means to be to be be a living
thing perhaps
i think i couldn't have said it better
myself that was
excellent lou thank you so much you have
given me so much hope and so much to
think about
it is probably one of the things that i
think makes every human being
uh you know the biggest question is who
are we why are we here
are we alone and now we probably know
that we are not
just looking into this is going to be i
think it's going to be a lifetime
pursuit of mine and thank you for
agreeing to be
on the show with me today i really
appreciate it
all right i don't even know how to top
that i can't top that so i'm wrapping it
up
remember i'm going to bring lou elizado
back on
this show because i want him to explain
so much more i need to talk to him about
so much more
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