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Luis Elizondo Interview: Garry Reid Aftermath, UFO Programs, and Classified UFO Briefings
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This interview with Luis Elizondo took place on April 21, 2022. We discussed his experience with Garry Reid, what Congress has seen in classified UFO briefings, the potential for the existence of unknown legacy UFO programs among other topics.

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From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmi_kGtxZrM

Transcript:

in this video I interview Luis Elizondo
who headed up atip Advanced Aerospace
threat identification program which was
a UFO study program in the Pentagon
this interview takes place on April 21st
2022. all right Lou uh in late 2019 read
Gary Reed was investigated by the dod's
inspector General's office regarding
four separate complaints of him having
sexual affairs with subordinate
employees sexual harassment and creating
a negative work environment in addition
to that you Lu Elizondo accused Reid of
malicious activities coordinated
disinformation professional misconduct
whistleblower reprisal and explicit
threats and you did this in May of 2021
and before I asked you my question I
need the audience to understand that
Gary Reed was the head of all
counterintelligence law enforcement and
security for the totality of the
Department of Defense worldwide so if
you were going to have a villain in your
life you probably would prefer someone
with a little bit less power than this
individual had so um Elizondo Lou
Elizondo let me know like how his
conduct conduct
because like uh you know after you left
the Pentagon uh he he had a vendetta
against you because you did not uh read
him on to the atip program and he
discovered that when he he just when he
found out about your your resignation
letter I think uh maybe days after the
December 16 2017 uh New York Times
article so how did his behavior impact
you and your family's uh well-being and
and livelihood in life
wow uh
okay let me let me start by kind of
maybe to to capture all your your
questions you've got a lot of really
good questions uh and there's a lot to
to discuss here so let me kind of start
if I can chronologically
um Gary Reed was an individual come from
the same world I I do uh which is um
Special Operations asymmetric world uh
when it comes to combat and warfare um
he was a very effective command sergeant
major in in the Special Operations
community and he did a lot for his
country you know so let me start by
saying I don't Relish in anybody's
demise
um it's it's it's
you know it's it's bittersweet it's
always sad when when somebody who served
their country at some point honorably
winds up being
um you know exposed
um you know we're we're all human I'm
not saying that that's an excuse in
Gary's position he made my life
miserable I mean it's no no secret we'll
get into that
but let me start by saying I I wish no
ill will upon him
um I hope he finds his peace and and uh
you know there was a point in time when
when he really was a patriot and and
something happened uh I I don't know
what it was I can only guess uh you know
a lot of things you know there's an old
saying absolute power corrupts
absolutely and I suspect that may be the
case here uh but uh let me just again
preface that at early on his career he
did a lot for his country uh then there
was a time that I worked with him in the
Pentagon this was a man who
um look I'm no clinical psychologist but
there seemed to be these weird manic
episodes when I was briefing him on one
of my other portfolios that I managed
it was a very important portfolio and he
never seemed very interested and the
states were very high something is
something messed up it was it was very
significant because it dealt with with
uh I'll say is 911. uh and
um investigations were so that were that
were involved in that
and he never seemed to be overly
interested in it
um and um it wasn't until I would bring
let's say a female colleague in or my
Deputy to come in to to be part of the
briefing and all of a sudden they'd
notice he would perk up and that was
that was problematic for me
um because clearly you know there was
there was a there was a clear indication
in my mind and in others obviously that
there was this preferential type uh
treatment now when I say peripheral
preferential treatment I don't mean just
being nice
inappropriate behavior you know asking
someone here come sit next to me instead
of sitting on the end of the table with
everybody else and uh one point I have
to be very careful because I can't I
I've been asked by the IG not to discuss
specifics of of the investigation
involving sexual harassment so I won't
but what what I will say is that one of
my direct subordinates was a victim of
the sexual harassment uh allegations by
Gary Reed and so knowing that early on I
I simply couldn't trust him and so I was
managing two portfolios of time the
other portfolio was atip and I never
read them on and I never read them on
because I knew early on this was a guy
who I could trust he had an open IG
investigations against him so of course
I'm not going to read him on and you're
right it's a bit of a fox in the hen
house situation when you have the head
of all of DoD law enforcement
counterintelligence and security
worldwide right
um you're as your boss
it's problematic it's a problem uh
because you you know
military service is built upon trust and
if you don't have that trust at the very
top there's a problem and you know case
in point when now I can talk a little
bit what the IG said and what Gary Reed
said and others
um you know there's a point in the
investigation that says well of all the
times she kissed me and hugged me I
never thought it was inappropriate whoa
I'm sorry I don't mean to make light of
it but wait a minute you tell me a
government official to another
government official of all the times
he's kissed you first of all the first
time is inappropriate let alone all the
other times you know and then there were
some senior leadership uh quotes in
there again I won't say who they were
anybody can look it up but this is his
boss basically saying yeah you know it
was kind of inappropriate but he did
other things really good so I didn't
really think it was a big deal
uh wait a minute I'm sorry
um because someone does good in other
areas that type of behavior is
unexcusable period full stop there is no
excuse for it ever I've had lots and
lots of subordinate females and males
and everything in between and and never
never have I treated anybody differently
than anybody else simply because of
their gender or their race or their
preferences or their looks or anything
else
or culture um so so that is that type of
behavior is not not tolerated what I
find so interesting here is that you
know especially now in this hype hyper
sense of awareness that we have uh
trying to treat people fairly and
especially in the Department of Defense
with all these moves they knew about
these allegations in 2019 right and in
in in 2020 and in 2021 the question is
why did it take an IG investigation from
me a request to investigate several by
the way complaints in order for finally
this to be the Tipping Point and and and
get somebody like that out of a out of a
position of authority
um you know forget let alone the fact
that he made my life in my family's life
miserable you're absolutely right you
threatened me he was going to tell
people that I was crazy he tried to go
after my security clearance and try to
have a air force OSI investigation full
field counterintelligence by the way
criminal investigation uh unauthorized
disclosure investigation launched
against me ironically enough it turns
out the very thing he was accusing me of
of of an unauthorized disclosure turns
out he himself was guilty of right using
his personal computer to conduct
government business
um and and provide control better
classified information
um you know in an unauthorized manner so
so this is the problem that I see in in
government and I I've tried to you know
leave breadcrumbs along the way I've
told people that people will be held
accountable of course people said yeah
yeah whatever Lou hey man I'm serious if
anybody knows that's the kind of guy I
am I don't say things frivolously very
deliberate and by the way we're not done
yet with with with this effort to try to
root out people who aren't
um supposed to be in this position it's
interestingly enough the dod is still
making I'd say DOD elements within the
Department of Defense are still making
bad decisions you have people now that
are are in places of authority that they
themselves are also subjects of IG
investigations
um so
so this is problematic
um you know I'm not saying that just
because you're the subject of an IG
investigation that you should lose
everything because it turns out you
could be innocent but in this particular
case the IG said he wasn't right and he
even admitted yeah I've done something's
wrong well okay right there is you know
that should be should be should be
closed case but but it wasn't and was
allowed to continue to fester in people
I know personally people who had to
resign people who were who were who are
put in a position to retire early just
because they couldn't work with this guy
because he wasn't he wasn't good he
wasn't good for the organization he
wasn't good for the American people uh
his his behavior
um for some reason he felt that he could
get away with with what he was doing and
that's that's problematic Ryan because
that erodes the very Foundation the very
ethos of of serving the American
interest into serving the American
public which is what we've sworn to
uphold right in the Constitution when we
when we decide to serve our country
um yeah he made my life help for for
four years
um you know it was interesting because
it was only after Mattis left uh did he
turn around and uh you know start trying
to get the Pao to change their public
opinion on me and say well Lou actually
had nothing to do with UFOs which now of
course it did Lou wasn't part of it he
had nothing to do with it of course I
did and you know then they try to split
hairs well he had no signed
responsibilities under the usdi well you
know that's you know we've said that
before a thousand times you know I was
if you look at the memos going back to
2009 it was Congress who asked me to be
part of it my chain of command higher
than read up at the at the Secretary of
Defense level knew very well what I was
doing and I was briefing him on a weekly
basis you know so
um yeah it was problematic I remember uh
after the investigation uh that was
conducted by Air Force OSI I believe it
concluded in 2019 and then referred back
to Gary Reed uh he was not happy with
the results
um he wanted an investigation to
continue uh and uh it was uh explained
to me that a conversation occurred where
someone Air Force osis and surf this
would be the first time in the history
of this institution where we have opened
an investigation on a lack of evidence
and so
he wasn't very happy about that then
they get a call from dcsa defense
criminal I'm sorry defense
counterintelligence and Security Agency
uh dcsa they're responsible for doing
our background investigations and
whatnot and about a year later they said
well uh we're investigating your
security clearance because uh of a
unauthorized disclosure involving videos
so okay here we go again so now you're
telling me double jeopardy someone has
launched yet another investigation for
the same thing that I was already
cleared for I can only guess where
that's coming from so I had to get a
lawyer involved and I had to wind up
um being very direct and Frank with dcsa
and say look your your your borderline
harassing be very careful now uh because
I know a lot of the policies that you're
following I actually helped write some
time ago so I know the left and right
limits um you're putting me in a
situation of Double Jeopardy uh and it's
it's not right and it's not fair now
could I have come out publicly and said
all this two years ago sure I could have
but I always said I have to let the
system work I think people are now
beginning to see hopefully that when I
say something I mean
um you know I could have come out and
defended myself two years ago on this
topic but I deliberately chose not to
and I did that because I wanted to give
an opportunity for the system to work as
I have said before we've got to let the
system try to do what it's got what it's
designed to do we've got to get the IG
enough opportunity give the ignf
opportunity to to do their job correctly
right uh and I have faith and confidence
now
someone could come back and say well you
know IG already investigated them and
they did nothing well it's not up to ig
to do something it's up to the chain of
command to do something so there is
Fault here and Blaine to be laid uh at
the feet of anyone it's those who are
responsible for for for for supervising
that individual Gary Reed because they
should have looked at that report and
say okay this is this is nonsense we
have a problem here we have somebody
who's who is uh putting people into
vulnerable situations and by the way
let's go into that discussion for a
second think about this for a second
Ryan
the head of DOD worldwide
counterintelligence worldwide
there are indicators of somebody who may
be convincing committing Espionage or
somebody who is susceptible to foreign
intelligence Services right uh somebody
who can be leveraged by them someone
who's having an extramarital fare
one right there somebody's having
excessive foreign travel and doing
things that they shouldn't too now
you've opened yourself up to Blackmail
so here is somebody who himself was a
counterintelligence vulnerability for
the entire Department of Defense had the
Keys of the Kingdom and was allowed to
continue to this behavior for think
about this years plural years uh had
this been you had this been me or
anybody else uh we would have been
immediately removed of our position
investigated and put on administrative
leave and then ultimately terminated
you know this dysfunction really
discourages me because you know a lack
of UAP transparency from the government
is a sore spot for me so seeing this
Saga having unfolded over multiple years
when in all reality it appears very
clear and unambiguous that Gary Reed
should have been fired a long time ago
it discourages me because now I'm
thinking if this kind of this this kind
of
um dysfunction is is so rooted within
the US government how can I possibly
expect that those that that the that the
U.S Congress and the American people
have asked to be transparent
on UAP those that are being asked to do
that how can I expect them to do that
when my very own government lets a guy
like Gary Reed uh run rampant uh he he's
he he's uh a risk for intelligence
gathering from foreign governments if I
was to talk to anyone high up in the
government be looked don't worry about
Elizondo that guy ain't you don't have
to worry about him he's he's solid worry
about Gary Reed but the question I want
to ask you is
how much has his removal uh what do you
assess like with his removal do you
assess that that will uh increase UAP
transparency and the second part of that
question is did Gary Reed play a role in
the in replacing the head of the UAP
with some of someone of a lower ranking
I think that happened a couple years ago
and further
was he against UFO transparency based on
his personal philosophy or was it
exclusively his Vendetta against you
that triggered his his desire to have
zero UFO transparency and allowing the
American public to have a clear picture
at how interested the Pentagon actually
was in this in this issue
uh again great great questions let me
start uh if I came from the beginning
you asked me did you have something to
do with the removal of uh the first UAP
Task Force Commander the answer is
absolutely yes uh unequivocally
um by the way and I I have to respect
this person's opinion just like I did
with Jim McCaskey until he decided to
come out publicly the individual who ran
the UAP task force the very first UAP
task force director or Commander was my
Deputy when I was running A10 he was the
deputy at 18 okay so there was some
continuity there
um there was a whisper campaign
oh and and some other efforts underway
uh where Gary Reed was not helpful and
really made things complicated and
difficult for for my former colleague to
succeed and unfortunately and
subsequently uh you know he he wound up
having to leave that position as the
first ever UAP task force director
because Gary Reed was working behind
channels trying to make his life
miserable within the Navy uh trying to
make his life miserable with on the OSD
staff and usdi he had put a couple
people and worked with a couple people
to to try to minimize the the discussion
and the topic which by the way some of
those people are still there so let me
get to the part I wanted to say Ryan I'm
not done yet okay Gary Reed is the first
dominant to fall there's there's others
and those individuals are are going to
be held accountable too
um and why should we try I know you're
discouraged with our government uh maybe
that some of the institutions that we
have in there but but let me give you
some some hope here and some some
optimism
the reason why we are going to succeed
is because you have people fighting for
you we have people fighting for UAP
transparency who want to do the right
thing fortunately there's more of us
than there are of the other folks that
don't want transparency and the good
guys are winning so that's the good news
um and we're not gonna We're not gonna
let this go now there's a right-wing
wrong way to do things and let me be
very clear here this isn't just about
opening up Pandora's Box you know any
surprise here you go here's all the data
UFO stuff
we have to unravel this ball of yarn of
70 years Tangled 70-year ball of yarn
and possibly more
in a very careful way okay we're not
we're not trying to villainize anybody
we don't want to get anybody in trouble
but we simply want to do is say okay let
bygones be bygones whatever happened in
the past happen in the past let's start
now let's start fresh conversation with
the American people on this topic let's
be honest let's be forthcoming we don't
need to reveal sources of methods we
don't need to reveal Nations Secrets but
we do have to acknowledge the reality of
this and at least try to make correct
what was made incorrect in the past very
basically Rectify those sins if you will
that were committed in the name of
National Security which by the way I
don't disagree were actually made in
honest efforts to protect National
Security at the time so so we're not
trying to villainize anybody what we're
trying to do is get everybody to come to
the table and say look folks these are
different times we we the time has come
to have the conversation with the
American people with the world about a
very serious topic infectious Hall and
and unfortunately the longer you keep a
lid on it the more this is going to wind
up really messy for everybody so so if
you really are a patriot you really want
to do the right thing now is the time to
have the conversation and so that's
that's what we're doing
um as far as as the individual Gary Reed
again uh he is um
he represents a much bigger problem in
the department
um you know there there are there are
people who will turn a blind eye just
because of somebody's rank because
someone's passed
um and and give them a pass give them a
slide and they don't realize that it
erodes the very morale of the entire
organization it's a poison it's a Cancer
and that cancer spreads and ultimately
the last people to ever know is usually
leadership which is ironic here uh but
that's the way it usually is because
nobody wants to tell that you know the
king or queen that they have their
clothes on right so oh that looks great
oh no everything's fine well that's
wrong and this is why I've said before
publicly look you know my
if people don't come correct I will hold
them accountable and whether I have to
do it on national news outlets media
outlets in front of 40 million people or
I do it in the halls of Congress I I
will continue to fight
um you know hopefully that doesn't get
me you know not someone's naughty list
where you know maybe I'm I'm um I'm
worth more uh you know on the other side
I'm worth more to them dead than alive I
hope that's not the case
um but you know so be it if it is I'm
willing to take that that uh that chance
because it's it's I took another and
that oath means everything to me I went
to war a few times for it
um so I've got no problem calling out
the bureaucracy
we've all heard of the UFO commentary
from people like Martin Heinrich in
Nevada senator Mitt Romney of Utah
Senator Marco Rubio Florida and even the
current administrator Bill Nelson who I
think was on the armed services
committee as a senator like in 2019 and
he was briefed on uap2 so we have this
this theme that so many high-level
officials are are conveying to the
American public that uapr uh Beyond Next
Generation technology of Unknown Origin
and even in addition to that they are
doing incursions into highly restricted
military airspace with impunity we've
even heard this from the former CIA
director we've we've heard this from
John Ratcliffe former Director of
National Intelligence I mean this theme
is Rock Solid
so my question is what exactly are these
congressional committees seeing in their
classified briefings because there are
people there are people who have this
theory that it's all they're hearing is
witness testimony there's no High
Fidelity data there's no radar return
there's no uh longer videos higher
resolution videos it's just this mind
virus that has infected the American
government from people like uh Robert
Bigelow and George Knapp and it's just
and just think of how ridiculous that is
if that is true and I wonder what kind
of Cascades of Errors would have to
manifest or that's actually occur and
how plausible that actually is but if
that is true imagine how embarrassing
that would be for the American
government oh what we're really dealing
with is Chinese drones but for the past
four years our high-level government
officials are telling us there's
something out there and we don't know if
I was a Chinese high-level official I'd
be like I'm loving this man this is some
great stuff right here I would love
every bit of it so this like what are
they seeing in those in those briefings
that are leading to to all this
legislation and all this commentary yeah
it's first of all it's not necessary I
can assure you uh the our Senator Jilla
Branch Senator Rubio and others uh
Congressman Timber shed Gallegos these
people aren't fools they are highly
highly intelligent people and believe
you me they're not going to put their
political careers or butts on the line
uh for hearsay
um these people are are are are very
very intelligent in human beings uh and
they're also very courageous for doing
what they're doing but what are they
seeing and what they're hearing uh is
very compelling they're they're getting
in some cases that certainly their staff
I know that to be a fact are receiving
uh high definition videos and
photographs of things taken from some
very sensitive platforms on a weekly
basis we're getting new information this
week alone we have we have two more very
interesting incidents coming out of two
different opposite aor's areas of
operation uh or areas of responsibility
um so so they're getting a lot of
information is coming in Fast and
Furious the problem is it's not it's
still not coming in the way it should
it's still coming in bits and pieces
it's not coming in yet you know you
could think about building Plumbing
inside of a building right and and you
build you you construct the pipes to
deliver the hot water and the cold water
whenever you want well the pipe work
isn't yet complete so some spigots work
better than others sometimes you have to
go to the bathroom upstairs if you want
to get hot water you got to go into the
kitchen if you want to use cold water so
so the the flow of information in this
case not water but information that pipe
work hasn't been completed yet it's it's
still being built right now and there's
still some people trying to figure out
blueprints you know which which pipes go
where and why and how
um but they are getting information
and they're getting it uh by by
organizations who control these
particular capabilities and platforms
they're also getting the testimony from
from eyewitness testimony in some cases
from the pilots themselves who've
actually engaged it they're seeing the
reporting and Telemetry data uh that
comes in from the Executive Branch from
the various disparate organizations
because let's let's give you a case in
point
um let's just let's just say this is the
UFO somewhere UAP it's not just that you
have let's say an F-18 pilot from the
Navy filming this thing there could also
be radar data from the local Air Force
Base that's picking up that and then it
just turns out happens to be that there
is a uh a a weather satellite that's
looking at um you know certain
atmospheric conditions up above from
NOAA that's picking something up and oh
by the way FAA air traffic control in
Minneapolis is picking something up
right and by the way say Minneapolis I
don't mean just as an example people are
going to say oh an event happened in
Minneapolis just just caveating you
could say you know anywhere you know
Walla Walla Washington
um and so that's what builds that layers
of you know that cross hatch of
information that allows you then to to
paint a much more compelling picture and
then provide the report up to to
individuals who have a need to know and
have a security Clinic the good thing
about the the Senate select
committee on intelligence and the said
armed services committee and then you
have the house versions of that the
hipsy and the Hask
uh those people are clear they have
security clearances at the TS level and
and they can be privy to that
information
um so they can be briefed to that
information in fact they do have an
inherent need to know especially the
oversight committees like I just
mentioned so it's it's working and no
these people aren't just getting
anecdotal information it's not match the
stereo it's not you know that we have
deluded ourselves into thinking air
trash or air drones or space junk is UAP
um that's somebody who's never had one
of the briefings
saying that
in June of 2020 Chris melon posted the
following tweet regarding the
requirement for the intelligence
oversight committees to be notified in
writing of major intelligence failures
the answer is no they were not notified
indeed they were kept in the dark about
the UAP issue for years and we're not
happy to first see it in the New York
Times and so to add on to that
I mean it's common sense I mean you know
billions of dollars go into these sensor
uh data collecting mechanisms you know
and I'm just going to say it you know on
uh
uh Jeremy Corbell talked about how um
he and Jeremy Corbell knows favor Jeremy
Corbell has a network I can't vouch for
it but I'll say what he said he
basically said that Commander favors
F-18 was rendered powerless his weapons
and radar systems were actively jammed
by the UFO this is considered an active
War by our DOD and this situation was
handled accordingly PJ Hughes talked
about radio frequencies being picked up
by the E2 Hawkeye from The Tic Tac favor
has gone on the record publicly saying
he saw the radar tape himself that's
High Fidelity scientific evidence and on
top of that all we hear about
2014-15 with Ryan Graves and Danny a
coin these objects were were measured
with multiple sensors that they could do
Hypersonic velocity they could stop on a
dime they could they could hover like a
helicopter but also moments later do
Hypersonic velocity and furthermore you
know like Ryan Graves was talking about
how you know these things would be out
there for 12 hours 11 hours more than
they should be capable of based upon the
energy they would require to do what
they're doing so U.S government don't
you dare tell me you don't have the data
because it seems pretty obvious you do
so here's my question because I'm
scratching my head how is it possible
anyone could possibly muster the
argument that the law was not broken by
not giving congressional oversight
committees in writing the intelligence
failure of you know what I'm sorry but
there's technology out there that is
like a million times better than ours we
don't know where it comes from how is
that not an intelligence failure and if
it isn't intelligence failure why was
that not given to the United States
Congress in writing
Ryan you could not be more accurate uh
in your and and you are absolutely
entitled to your frustration
um welcome to my world
um it is egregious it is unacceptable
and
um I have said this before
you know I'm the kind of cat you don't
want in Congress because I'm the kind of
cat will haul every single one of these
people up by their neckties sit them in
front of a desk and say you now owe the
American people an explanation you are
you will do that and you will also if
you don't give me a good enough answer
you're fired here and now
um that is that is this is perhaps the
greatest intelligence failure this
country has seen because no matter no
matter whose technology it is we we
failed to report on it it is a problem
we we and we've known about it for a
long time now with that said
I do not hold the people who were
actually in part of these efforts and
running these these perhaps even Legacy
efforts before atip responsible because
it's not their job to inform Congress
it's it's it's their boss's job to
inform Congress and to inform the chain
of command
so I want to make that clear there is a
there's a there's a delineation between
the worker bees and those who are
actually trying to do their patriotic
Mission and serve their country
and those individuals who obfuscated and
decided this information is too secret
we can't tell anybody well you know
Chris has made a good point in the past
we won the Cold War not because we kept
better Secrets but because we knew how
to move information more efficiently and
quickly within the US government
um there's a reason why 911 happened 9
11 happened because there were
organizations in the US government that
had different pieces of the puzzle but
none of them wanted to share the
information and so what happened well
you had you had the devastating effects
of 911 which some argue could have been
quite preventable
um people lost their lives he died right
so where is the accountability who got
fired well no one got fired right what
we did is we created the irtpa
intelligence performing terrorism
prevention act we created a dni and
later on a DHS and hope that would never
happen again but we didn't really solve
the problem yet so so this is this is a
great point you make it is exactly why I
wake up every morning doing what I do
um until the problem's fixed uh and by
the way it's not just uip it's it's
other issues as well
there there's some things that I'm sure
American people would be very surprised
to know uh some of the failures of
bureaucracy again I'm trying to keep
focused on the bureaucracy itself though
not on individuals right now
um those individuals are being held
accountable I do believe that the system
is doing precisely what it needs to do
uh but there's still some games being
played at the Pentagon
um you know but but that's okay because
time time is on our side and we're on
the right side of History we're on the
right side of the narrative and we're
going to continue to do what we do
um
yeah that's that's my my two cents or
maybe three okay so for my last question
because we we basically hit the point
but just for my last question is there
going to be is it going to be necessary
to have some deconflicting going on
because I know you were involved at some
point when you worked for the government
and deconflicting programs that could
possibly be doing the same thing the
last thing we want is the aoimsg office
to be doing exactly what secret UFO
programs that haven't been brought to
the surface have been doing for for
decades I mean that's just a waste
attacks dollar money and it's ridiculous
um you know you know you hear rumors I
don't know maybe maybe all sap and atip
are the only UFO programs and and the
guy from the 80s that you you talked to
during a meeting who told you that he
did what you did maybe those are the
only UFO programs ever in the history of
the United States I think that's uh
bordering on implausible but maybe it's
true but if it's not true and if rumors
uh like from people like uh Dr Bernard
Hayes and also uh more Bell is also
stated and stuff like this before I'll
just give you a Dr Bernard Hayes quote
sources tell me that this is merely the
tip of the iceberg a group of four
related but separate unacknowledged sci
programs tracing back to a 1947 Truman
memorandum still exists and were housed
as of the 1990s and major aerospace
companies such as Lockheed TRW Raytheon
Aerospace Corp Etc the programs
collectively have budgets in the 10
billion range and up topics apparently
include both reverse engineering and
extraterrestrial biology look I have no
clue if there's any validity to that at
all but you know what when ASAP was
going on when 18 was going on no one
knew about it the bigot list for atip
was minuscule no one knew about it other
countries didn't know about it maybe
their intelligence Services did but the
public didn't know about it so my
concern is that aomsg is gonna is Gonna
Come online it's going to do what it's
going to do but you know what we have
Decades of other programs who have
gotten the exact same data that aomsg is
going to try to get so how do we solve
that problem if it is indeed because
it's only theoretical but if it's indeed
a problem
uh you know Ryan I I go I'd go One Step
Beyond that I I'm not sure it's so
theoretical
um I think you bring up a really good
point and we have an obligation to make
sure that
whatever Lessons Learned uh and and
insight was gained from any type of
previous effort does need to come under
the single umbrella it needs to come
under the single one tent right and and
so we're not wasting taxpayer money and
time and and Reinventing the wheel so to
speak
um
I'm really glad you you bring this up
because it's really important it's
probably one of the top five most
important things that we need to try to
figure out within the government
um
you know it's funny I've never been
asked that question before like that
um
but it's it's it's it's it's certainly
something you want to ask me what keeps
me up at night that's one of the few
things that really keeps me up at night
um we we have to do a better job and
when to do that you know one of the
options is Maybe
maybe creating some sort of amnesty
program where people can come in out of
the dark and out of the out of the cold
and come under the tent right have some
hot coffee or tea and let's talk and
we'll continue to protect the
information and protect you I think
commencer at level uh you know in an
exchange with an understanding that you
know we're not going to hold you liable
for anything
um
you know but you know then you put maybe
a sunset clause and say look you know
that's only good for a year and a half
anybody that we find afterwards that was
part of any type of Legacy effort and
you don't come forward and talk to us
because we now have the authority
uh
then it's going to be a different
conversation
right then it's going to be okay well
you had your chance and and now you
you're going against the law because the
law says a b c and d and you did X Y and
Z and therefore you are breaking the law
so uh
you know I have to be careful when I say
we I don't myself personally what I mean
is is the the institution right the the
government
um but that's something that that you
know could certainly be considered
um there's a lot of smart the good news
here Ryan I'll leave you with this
there's a lot of good people right now
smart people that are trying to figure
this out
um my only concern is that you know
aoimsg does not get sidetracked and
consider this some sort of air trash or
space junk problem and you know four
years okay but we answer the mailing
space jump so therefore aomsg goes away
that's not the intent of Congress and
and if they think it is then
you know we're going to be right back to
square one again having more people
accountable you know just look over
there what just happened to that dude
don't be that guy you don't have to you
know don't please don't don't do that
because it's not gonna that's not the
direction we want to go down
um so that would be my my recommendation
I also want to take just a moment here
Ryan
and and thank you sincerely there's a
lot of people on the inside that
actually watch very carefully what you
say uh over the last listen nope no BS
man hey over the last four years some of
your predictions uh it's funny because
you know you say well I think this is
going to happen and no kidding like two
days earlier there's a conversation
occurring where that was at like it
disgust almost to a T and you've got a
couple of our guys scratching your head
saying you know
did the guy actually work with us or
something is he on the payroll yeah how
the hell does he know this so I can uh
give them my address and we can
facilitate that
I just want to say thanks for everything
you're doing
um you know I know you I appreciate it
out there like like the rest of us but
um you know you're you're doing a
phenomenal job and I want to thank you
and you have again maybe at some point
uh some of those people will come out of
the Shadows but I think you'd be really
surprised and quite tickled if you knew
who actually actually follows you well I
appreciate it Lou and and thank you for
for coming on the show and and I think I
speak for a lot of people that I I
really um appreciate the service you did
in your long career in government and
what you continue to do now and uh we'll
just uh call it a day thank you so much
Ryan my honor and pleasure anytime buddy
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