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05-11-2021 Luis Elizondo, The US Government on UFOs, UAPs & Aerial Threats
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Guest, Ex-Pentagon official Luis (Lue) Elizondo discusses what it was like as a former intelligence officer with the Department of Defense and the director of AATIP, the Pentagon's secret UFO program. He talks about the dynamics of what has been observed, the USS Nimitz case, and what the government may or may not know about these incursions and more.

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR5OhnzXNNY

Transcript:

hello everyone
and welcome to the show i'm martin
wilsher host and i've been really
looking forward to this show i've got a
very busy guy
on the show tonight he's got a lot going
on and luckily he carved out some time
for tonight's show and again i am
grateful for that
and uh i hope to ask a lot of really
interesting questions i have a lot of
them on my own
i want to say i feel like i almost made
a mistake last
week when i said hey send your questions
in
i got so many of them uh tons of
questions came in through emails and i
really do appreciate that
if i can't get to your question uh
going to ask questions that fit that's
how i'll put it as i go along
but if i can't get to the questions that
you sent in
then um it doesn't mean that your
question was not good and you will have
if you're watching live you'll have the
last half hour where you can actually
call in
we're taking calls i expect the phones
to be busy so um
we'll post that number right at the half
hour at the end
um this week we have uh charles lear our
blogger is taking the week off
he's been pretty busy too working on his
book it's almost done
so i wrote an opinion piece and it kind
of has to do with our
guest this evening he's very involved
and the topic
um i don't know if you call it a blogger
just an opinion and
the title of it's the ufo world since
december 16
2017 i kind of go into where
uh us in the ufo field we're paying
attention to
to the stars when they came out in
october we listened to what happened
then
we thought it was really fascinating but
the buzz kind of died down and then
december 16
2017 of the same year happened and since
then it's been a different world so that
opinion piece or blog whatever you want
to call it is right on our website
podcastufo.com
check it out over there you can support
the show for two dollars or more a month
all that information is there we're on
facebook and all that i didn't want to
waste a lot of time
talking tonight so i'm going to bring
our guest right in and here he is
welcome to the show lou hi martin thank
you very much for having me and thank
you to
uh your listeners as well for uh for
spending some time with us this evening
yes and like i said boy did the
questions ever come in
so um i do get a lot of new people i'm
not going to waste a whole lot of time
um like introducing you just been so
much in the news and
and in the public so much so we don't
really have to go into that but i will
ask
questions along those lines as we go
along here
but um i guess the the uh question
i'll start off the back uh right off the
bat with this
uh how are things going today for you
as far as the movement the movement
forward i would say
ah okay uh i thought you were gonna ask
me how i'm doing personally today
um i'm usually it's that question i'm
pretty tired
um but as far as uh you know the
movement
um you know i i don't think we could ask
for
for any more um what you know it's funny
you mention this and you you say
say a movement i think a lot of people
would would resonate with that where
before it was um it was as earnest it
was an earnest study into
into the topic of uaps or ufos i i think
we're witnessing something
something more than that now um i think
maybe we are
we have cross crossed the threshold into
something
far more dynamic uh and and perhaps far
more influential
uh we are we are indeed to some degree i
guess i guess a movement
uh a movement can inform and can also
influence
and i think you're seeing that right now
with with the help of you and
and folks such as your listeners who are
getting engaged some of these folks may
be the first time they've ever really
taken the topic seriously but uh you
know it is making a difference you know
have
have congress uh involved and you have
the department of defense involved and
you have the intelligence community
involved
uh you have a lot of former senior
current senior members of our government
now involved and
and yes i think that's i think that's a
good way to put it
movement um as far as how the movement
is doing today
uh i i think it's it's it's doing quite
well i think it's it's
quite healthy and i think every day this
this movement continues to
to grow and grow right um you know going
all the way back to
like the 1940s we were observing
as a country and as the air force as
well
um has been observing these objects not
really that much different from what
people are reporting today
um you know i mean i remember reading
something back and i believe in the
1950s i may be wrong
where there was a radar uh reflection of
something like 22 000 miles an hour of
an object that stopped suddenly or
something like that
over canada maybe but anyway so these
things have been going along
all this time and i've mentioned a
number of times
the number of times in the show that i
think the government knows something's
going on but they
they don't know what it is and do you
think we're
closer to knowing what it is than in the
1940s
uh boy that's a loaded question i
you know i'm damned if i do damned if i
don't
answer that um here's my my
my my thoughts um
i'm not sure we're closer to knowing
what
it is but i do think we are potentially
closer to understanding some of the
physics involved
um when i was part of the a-tip program
our focus was really very simple what
was it and how does it work
and i've said before probably my
greatest frustration is that we really
still at the end of all those years
didn't really know what it was
uh but you know on the bright side we
were able to to begin to peel away a
little bit of the onion uh with with the
five observables and then
uh be able to to look at some of the new
models in quantum physics and
and mathematical formulas and it appears
that
uh you know that that that science uh
what we thought was so far off uh and
our understanding
really isn't maybe quite that far away
and i think for me that that was
that was uh probably one of the the
greater accomplishments and and let me
preface this by saying
um it's not that we invented new physics
physics you don't invent physics what
you do is
is gain a better understanding of
existing physics
and i think i think that's what we were
we were
able to do to some degree is be able to
now that we have a a little bit better
understanding of some of our
observations in quantum physics
be able to start developing models um to
see if if they fit and and
it turns out that that that some of them
do
i remember i had um dr seth shawstak
from the seti program on the show i had
him on three times so far but
one of the times i said to him you know
because he was going on and on about the
amount of energy that
um we would need to travel from
another star system to us if that's what
is happening
and so i mentioned something to him like
what if there's
physics that we haven't discovered yet
that'll make that possible
and he kind of like brushed it off do
you think
that they're and this is seems like kind
of the way you might be going you're not
actually saying that they're
extraterrestrial and you know for sure
whatever it's all speculation but do you
think that's what it is there's just
more physics to be uncovered to make
star travel
actually possible and do you think that
we will ever advance to that
you know i i i do and and
no disrespect to mr chelstack
from seti but let's face it in the end
of the
1800s the u.s patent office made a
declaration that
uh within a few years there would be no
more need for a u.s patent office
because
everything that could be possibly
invented will have been invented by then
clearly that was a very short-sighted
statement and envisioned by
by the u.s patent office and i think the
same holds true
we are we are a very pioneering species
and every day we're coming up with new
clever innovative
ways to to uh to to
to live and perform in our environment
and
every day we're learning something
something revolutionary in the way of
science
and for us to think that that space time
in order for us to go to point a to
point b
has to be some sort of linear function
uh you know we're beginning to realize
that that's not necessarily the case
um quantum physics shows that uh
space and to some degree is rather
irrelevant um
and and maybe even time to some degree
uh when you look at uh
at a notion such as that such as quantum
entanglement something is going on this
this spooky action from a distance if
you will
where things are able to to communicate
with things if you want to call it
communication
act upon other things where uh distance
doesn't seem to be a factor
it's happening instantaneously and
across the vastness of the universe and
so
i think i think we need to be very
careful anytime we
we we shrug off the notion that there's
uh
new physics to be discovered if you will
um you know i i think that's
short-sighted because one thing we've
learned over and over again through time
is that
we haven't learned everything yet um and
and what we are seeing is
real whatever it is so therefore
something or someone
uh has uh has been able to master uh
a particular part of physics that we we
don't quite yet understand i mean that's
that's that's evident when
um the pyramid you must have heard i
know you've heard of the pyramid video
what it's called the pyramid video that
was released
and it's it's i think it's been
thoroughly debunked as not
not a purpose uh purposeful hoax in any
way
but the fact that the iris or um the
camera lens itself
is the cause for those pyramid shapes
and things like that uh
uh did did you i believe i heard you say
when that first came out you you weren't
aware of any
you know debunking going on did you
think that was uh i know the
navy admitted it was a a real video but
they didn't say
anything about the objects yeah well
uh first of all i i i i'm not a debunker
um i
prefer analysis debunking means you know
trying to go out if you will and
purposely prove something
is a fraud or a fake um i i don't go
into
any situation with that in mind i go
into a situation to try
at least i try to be as open-minded as
possible and and let the facts and data
speak for itself and conduct analysis
and if at the end of that
of that analysis it turns out there's a
very fair-minded rational explanation
for something then that's usually what
what
i tend to go with in this particular
case
we don't know all the details yet it's
it's very easy to to make a premature
decision one way or the other that
it's a if you will a bouquet effect or
it's something else
uh but we do know the fact that it is a
a
valid u.s navy video that was taken by
navy equipment
what we don't know is the circumstances
yet what we don't know is were there
other cameras
on site at that time looking at the same
object from different perspectives
yet we don't know what the audio is yet
and we don't know what the radar data is
yet and we don't know what the
what the uh for example um
you know a lot of these aircraft will
will squawk they have transponders on
there
and and we don't know yet uh really any
of those details so
i i think it's tempting um to to to go
down a path you know say oh that's
that's clearly uh
uh the an artifact of the lens because
it's it's closing in a triangular
aperture and that's what you're seeing
and that may very well be the case but
but i think we have to be cautious not
to
not to jump to that conclusion just like
we don't want to jump to the same
conclusion
that it's some sort of uh alien or
interdimensional
uh triangular vehicle we just simply
don't have enough data yet and i
i do appreciate people's passion and
enthusiasm
i do appreciate uh their their wants and
desires to figure it out because i'm in
the same same boat
but i also like to caution people you
know try to avoid jumping to conclusions
prematurely
at the end of the day they may be
absolutely correct but i
i think i think there's more i think
there's more that needs to be said
uh and learned about uh about that
particular incident so i
i don't have a comment yet uh martin i i
you know i think there's a lot of things
it could be and uh i think i
think we still need to have have more
data on the table before we can start
ruling things
out i know that well i don't know for
100 percent
if this is the case or not but that
might have been filmed through
an iphone through a lens that's um and
and you know i have it i don't
have any of that information right in
front of me but that's what
that's what i recall in that particular
case now you and i met in
cherry hill uh during the mufon event
and you and i talked
for maybe 25 30 minutes something like
that
and i realized afterwards we never
talked about ufos
we talked about uh collecting civil war
muskets and things like that and all
kinds of things because that's kind of
the field that i'm in
so anyway it was really uh really nice
talking to you
now i gotta i'm gonna ask you a question
and it's only because i hear it
said a lot and and i do agree with one
part of it
and that is and i just wanted to answer
from you you would make
an excellent disinformation officer
if you wanted to be one how many times
all the time i mean i'd also make an
excellent garbage man i'd make an
excellent auto mechanic and make an
excellent
roofer and construction worker i mean
yeah i mean i've i've had a lot of jobs
in my life
where i've learned certain skills and
expertise you know
but one thing for sure is you don't
conduct this information on your own
people
okay there's something called
intelligence oversight that's something
called executive order one two triple
three there's something called dod
director 5240.1
that expressly makes it illegal to use
those type of tactics techniques and
procedures
against the american people there was a
time in the 1960s we did that
as an intelligence community as as a as
a
defense community and and it got a lot
of people into trouble we were doing bad
things we were spying on on student
bodies and student unions for protests
and
and really doing a lot of things we
shouldn't have been we shouldn't have
been doing at the time and so
laws were passed to make sure that
doesn't happen and i will tell you
there is a a rigorous body of lawyers
at the department of defense and the
intelligence community that are just
waiting to sink their teeth into to
someone like me if i were to be
conducting disinformation
uh efforts on on the american people um
you know could i do it sure you could do
it
i mean you could be doing it right now
there's plenty of people in the ufo
community
right now that are conducting
disinformation operations against
against us uh but they're not former
federal employees
and for me um you know i i took that
oath very seriously uh yeah they're in
the world of counterintelligence there's
a lot of what we call denial and
deception
and you conduct those activities against
the enemy
but you don't you don't use them against
your own people you don't use them
against your own family and your friends
and your neighbors
so uh you know i think personally that's
it's repugnant
to assume that anybody whose
intelligence i think that is probably
the greatest stereotype
that one could paint anybody under uh
you know you want to
want to talk about a conversation about
racism well
you know don't look now but that's a
form of racism you're putting me in a
category and others
who've served their nation honorably in
a category of that word now the enemy
because we have these skill sets and and
somehow we're using them against the
american people
um you know my response to that is okay
prove it
okay yeah if that's what you think prove
it and and by the way you better have
the damn evidence
because i know i know that i'm not doing
it so if you think i am
uh you know i sure hope you can prove it
and you know obviously you hear my voice
getting raised a little bit a little bit
emotional
because i i don't think people really
understand first of all what is
intelligence what is it actually
and what is disinformation thirdly
you know the cost of running a
disinformation operation is very very
expensive
why would we do that against the
american people especially a community
that really doesn't have a whole lot of
influence in in in
national defense decisions it's been a
very niche
community for a very long time uh as as
wonderful as it is it's not particularly
influential when it comes to
the national defense structure um
you know why that's just silly why i
mean
waste money just to play joke on
somebody i
i don't get it yeah well um
i wanted to address that because i've
i've seen that in blogs and everything
else and i just wanted you to
you know set it straight and i
appreciate it and martin i know it's not
coming from you by the way so don't
please don't take offense i'm
in no way am i am i directing this
frustration to you
um it's just for me i don't think people
understand that i'm a person too
i'm an individual i'm a father you know
i'm a husband i'm a taxpayer
you know i try to perform my civic
duties the best i can
and and anytime someone comes up and
says oh you guys you're
once an intel person always an intel
person or once a cia person always a cia
person
what the hell does that mean i mean do
you even have they ever spent a moment
in the day of the life of these people
that are
trying to protect this country no they
spend most of their time in the mother's
basement sitting there probably in their
underwear looking at a computer
and and not understanding what this is
really about and it's it's offensive
that people actually think that of of
individuals
well thank you for that um no i know
you know as far as you you can't violate
your your
your security oath by any means i mean
you have everything at ri
you'd be risking everything pension and
and
possibly you know harsh um treatment as
well
but um i
i don't know if you can answer this but
do you think that you have seen
evidence that if that evidence was
leaked
that it would change everything in the
and as far as what people think about
ufos
i think it would change the conversation
changing the way people think is
something entirely different and
this is something that i've i've learned
uh through the course of many years
of experience you can present somebody
with absolute facts and at the end of
the day you're not going to change their
mind necessarily
this is a gradual conversation and this
is one of the reasons why i said
disclosure is a process
and and not an event you don't just
present somebody information and say oh
aha okay i'm going to change my entire
paradigm of thinking
that's not the way we're wired as human
beings it takes time
uh it takes it takes uh the ability to
to contemplate
the facts and process those facts and
then
have the courage to to be able to have
draw new conclusions
right we tend to be a a um
we don't have a whole lot of humility as
a species we tend to think we know we
have all the answers and so
when you are challenged with with uh new
information that challenges your
your status quo uh that's that's a tough
pill to swallow for a lot of people
and i'm not blaming anybody for this
it's part of the human condition we all
have these these biases that we
uh we we bring along with us through
life and whether it's uh
with religion or or governmental
organizations or institutions or
whatever you know that's kind of the way
we are
and uh it i think
i do think that um as more information
comes out it's going to continue to
drive the conversation but ultimately
it's not videos and it's not pictures
that are going to convince people
it's it's going to be dialogue
discussion and conversation with each
other
because at the end of the day you can
always always come up with some sort of
crazy prosaic explanation for something
i don't care if i have a picture of this
thing landing on the white house lawn
there's going to be people out there
that are going to provide contrary
information and data
uh that will that will argue against
that so
again i i i this is why i tell people
look
this is more than just pictures and and
videos to to satisfy
people's curiosity this is this is a
much
bigger question we're dealing with here
we're dealing with it with
with something that may change the very
paradigm in which the human species
looks at itself
and and views it's it's itself in the
universe
um you know again that's
that's that's a whole fundamental
different conversation than just
some pictures of some lights in the sky
and i think that's why i think that's
why it's so important
that that folks like you martin and your
audience
are are willing to have a conversation
about this topic in in an elevated
manner right in a way that that avoids
the
the nonsensical uh stereotypes of of
elvis on the mothership and tin foil
hats and all that other garbage that
has traditionally been associated with
this topic and and
been considered fringe when in reality
we may be dealing with one of the
greatest discoveries
uh of our species right right
um i know um
when when you think about uh the
different interviews you've been on
lately i watched a couple of them one
was the
basement office i believe it was very
well done the interviewer
did a very nice job i heard you
mentioned that one of your
colleagues or maybe uh maybe someone
in upper ranks mentioned you know have
you read your bible and these things
you know they know what they are and
they're demonic
um do you consider that an opinion was
this
i mean that can't be based on science
was this the opinion of that
person that said that to you well look i
i don't want to speculate you know i i
can say all day
something is opinion but if you talk to
somebody who has that type of conviction
that's fact that's not opinion
so and at the end of the day i i can't i
can't say definitively that that person
is right or wrong
um it's yet another option and at the
end of the day
it's it's it's it's a consideration for
for a lot of people
that's not a bad thing you know i don't
want to villainize that
i don't i don't think if it because
people's
people's philosophical and theological
belief system is very personal thing
and i certainly don't have the right to
to tell somebody that's that's
that's bs that's nonsensical because at
the end of the day they could be right
rather i prefer to take the position
that whatever it is
we should probably figure it out whether
it is something that is supernatural
uh or something that is conventional or
something that is truly
you know uh uh hyper natural let's just
say that
uh i i think i think it's it's okay to
have that discussion
um i don't i don't shy away from it i
don't have the answer to it
but i don't think it's a reason not to
look at something
you know the same explanation was given
by certain members of the church to
galileo
centuries ago where they even refused to
look through the very telescope that he
could
he could prove to them the observations
and they said no that that's that's the
tool of the devil so
um i i i don't think we should stop
asking the questions and i don't think
we should
should stop our our exploration if if
you do have a a
theological mind like that well then one
could argue god gave us
a brain for a reason and that's to
figure things out and how are you gonna
avoid something if you don't know what
the heck it is
so you know i i i'm careful not to
not to to say anything um against that
type of perspective i don't personally
agree with it
but uh at the end of the day they could
be absolutely right
but my my my job always has been as an
intelligence professional to
to seek out the answers doesn't matter
the source doesn't matter where the work
where the question is coming from find
find the answers
and that's that's my perspective thank
you um
in the chat room i just want to let
people know that unfortunately i
i can't uh put your questions up uh
today i have so many that came in
through email ahead of you
but um you will get an opportunity to
call in and at the end of the show and i
might be able to pop up some
questions toward the end end of the show
i
talk about this on my show a lot that i
get a lot of new listeners and ever
since
the the audience has been growing ever
since um the
aforementioned december 16 2017 article
the new york times came out which were
you were featured in
what do you tell people that are
interested in this
topic that are new to it and they want
to get really good viable
information without getting into
say secure team 10 and you know those
type of third phase of the moon and you
know fake videos things like that
sure well i i would say it it's okay to
look at all that
um i i you know a lot there's a lot of
garbage out there and i'm not going to
say which one is and isn't
i think people hope hopefully are smart
enough to realize that themselves
um i i would encourage anybody to do a
baseline
study for themselves on what information
is out there
start looking at at the facts and if
someone makes a proclamation well
make sure they have the proof in the
evidence to back it up otherwise it's
just
it's just hearsay it's more garbage so
uh i would say that that
start by getting on something like uh
ufo twitter
where you have a lot of people there of
all different ages and
and religions and ethnicities and races
and and start with that um there's a lot
of really
good uh analysis and study and opinions
being
being made on on ufo twitter and social
media
now you're right there's some there's
some some areas that that they should
probably be cautious of there's a lot of
charlatans
and folks out there that are selling
snake oil and and they prey on people
who who are naive they don't they don't
have
they don't have a fundamental
understanding of the topic
and let's not forget you know while
we're on the topic of of religion
and whatnot you know ufology to some
degree for a long time has been like
a a religion there's a lot of people
that have have
have glommed on to it in a way that that
really
influences their day-to-day um
livelihood
and uh it it has become a is somewhat of
a religion
and a religious pursuit for them and
there's been some people who have stood
up
uh within that community and and and
claimed to be its leaders and it's you
know these almost these cult figures
something which which i i reject uh
vehemently
that's why i i i try never to say
uh i me or i when it comes to
to to this topic in ufos and uaps i
prefer to say we
us and ours uh because ultimately what i
have to say
isn't as important as what we
collectively have to say about this
topic
um and i think that's where you can
start
delineating those there that are trying
to suppress
truth and and research because they
what they tell you is no no you don't
want to listen to anybody else you only
want to listen to me
i'm the only one with the answers
everybody else there is a charlatan
nobody knows what they're talking about
listen to me give me your money
buy my books and and you're gonna be
okay just shut up and don't ask any
questions and we're gonna be fine
that that to me is um that's the danger
that's there and lies the danger but
also i i also realize people have to
make make that judgment for themselves
otherwise if i come out and say
that person's bad that person is bad
that person's good then i'm just as
guilty of doing the same thing and and
as as tempting as it may be for me to do
that and call people out
um it's it's ultimately at the end of
the day it's it's counterproductive and
it's hypocritical
and uh i i just i prefer not to get
engaged in that and just continue to
to to do what i'm doing how i'm doing it
and if people like it then
great they can go along the ride with me
and if they don't well you know
tune into somebody else um i'm gonna be
i'm gonna
um talk about what a long time listener
the show
gave me for a statement about my blog
but first before that how difficult
is it for someone like you knowing what
you know
to bite your tongue a lot of times when
you
have this information that's so it's
time
i'll tell you you know there's so much
going on right now uh
you know if i don't tempt me please
um you know i'll get you drunk first
it's uh
yeah and probably wouldn't have to get
me too drunk um you know there's a lot
of things happening right now
a lot of good things and there's a lot
of frustrating things that that i see
and that i i get
impacted by uh there's a lot of
misconceptions
and in some cases by people that that
were very close to me um
but i i can't
i can't short-circuit the system if
we're going to do this the right way we
have to have the system
as part of the solution and i know that
is probably to some people
uh probably heresy you know because
we've been villainizing
the quote the system the man uh for for
years and decades if not generations
but i i think i think ultimately we need
the help of our government i don't think
we need to villainize it and and yes i
have been subject to
to some some very nasty things
that some elements within within the
government
have have have done and continued to try
to do to me
um to disparage me to to destroy my
credibility to
usurp me from from having this
conversation um
but i also know for every one of those
there's 10 others that are very good
and i still have a lot of friends in the
department a lot of friends in the
intelligence community
and and they tell me privately lou you
know we you're
you guys are making a difference we we
we hear you loud and clear and we're
seeing the evidence ourselves
uh at you know at the classified level
and and for that reason that gives me
the encouragement to
to continue to have this conversation
look the moment
the government at large comes to me and
says lou stand down
i'll probably stand down but but i
haven't been told that yet
by my government i've been told that by
certain people in the government but
they don't represent the government they
don't they don't
they don't represent the will of the
government and so
um i'm just going to keep doing what i'm
doing until
until we until we succeed great um this
came in from
someone but i had a very similar
question so
i'm going to ask this it's basically the
same thing or along the same lines
so it's lou has stated in many
interviews that he resigned from his
position
at the pentagon out of frustration for
being blocked from passing along the
troubling
uap data to secretary of defense james
mattis
i hadn't heard anyone ask him whether he
attempted to reach general mattis
after his own resignation since they
were both private citizens
now uh so it's a question are you asking
me have i spoken to
general madison i have not um and
nor has he reached out and you know he's
a busy man i'm sure
probably this is is probably one of the
things that he's
he's probably not focused on um he's
probably focused on a lot of other
things right now
uh it's it's not like he uh he he can't
get a job somewhere
and probably be very and be very very
useful uh but no
but quite frankly i haven't reached out
either um
i'm not sure there's a need to he he he
received my letter he
he knows what the issue is and and
there's not much he can do about it now
because a year
year after i resigned he did the same
thing uh resigned in protest
so uh there you have it
resigned in protest he did
he did general matters but not but not
directly because of
this task force that you were involved
in well
he resigned for many reasons i'm not
going to speak for general mattis
you know he's a learned man and he wrote
a resignation memo that pretty much
anybody can pull up now
i'm sure on google and and ascertain for
themselves but
he was uh he was frustrated just like i
was for
about certain things in the department
and in the government that he he
couldn't fix while he was inside the
government
right right um the task force that
we're supposed to be getting a report
but it's probably going to take
a lot longer it may or may not um has
anyone reached out
to you or chris that you're aware of in
regards to
information i mean would they even do
that to begin with
uh well you're asking me two questions
would they uh
and and did they is it a second question
um i i'm not gonna answer on behalf of
the government
um uh the government is to to whatever
degree they're comfortable discussing
their business
that's up to the us government certainly
chris and i have made ourselves
available
to to assist when and where needed
but the capacity in which that that
assistance has been rendered
is is not for us to discuss um and i
know
by doing that uh every time i say that
people foil
the government and elements in the
government say yeah he has nothing to do
well okay if that's if that's our
position then that's their position now
um i i respect that um i
you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna
have an argument
on social media about that i think that
the facts are
are continuing to surface and the
american people can be a judge for
themselves on that
um sorry if you hear some banging in the
background that is good
yeah i apologize yeah i have i have some
construction going on here i do
apologize i'll try to mute my side
whenever i'm not talking
yeah you can tell them to use a screw
gun instead of a hammer uh
yeah it'll be sturdier anyway so i asked
a long time
um listener to this show he's a retired
scientist phil sanders
what he thought has been the biggest
change since 2000
um the 2017 new york times article
and this is what um his opinion is the
biggest thing for me is how the penta
pentagon spokespeople keep lying
changing their
story despite harry reid saying
unequivocally
that lewis did what he said he did while
the rhetoric
from mellon and elizondo
is ratcheting up towards ufos being
otherworldly
at least one person in the pentagon
claimed that lewis
claimed to lewis that they were demons
it seems that the federal government
does not have a unified voice
um any comments on that comment
no i think that's precisely correct they
don't have a unified voice and that's
why there's a report due to congress
because they want a unified voice that's
why there is this
this vulnerability assessment this
threat assessment that's due
um because there are conflicting
messages
not just about me but about atip itself
uh
and what the purpose of the program was
and what his findings were and what the
new version of atip
is doing now to this day um you know the
the pentagon does indeed have
a a a problem on its hands and that is
an inconsistent message
they continue to flip-flop back and
forth back and forth and and some of it
to the
to the point where it's it's i'd say
it's laughable if it was about any other
topic but it's not because we're dealing
with about people's
people's livelihoods and jobs and and
and they take their jobs very serious
so it's for me it's um
it's sad to see but i think that uh one
of the one of the
i think positive outcomes of this is
that you have an
ig uh
report that will probably be coming out
of this as well so
as you see that there's the dod ig is
taking this very seriously particularly
the the inconsistent
messaging and how they've been handling
this topic so far uh
you know and and there's gonna be some
some really hard questions that are
gonna have to be answered by some pretty
senior people here
uh in in the coming uh weeks months and
and uh
and years because you're right there's a
problem um
someone is not doing
necessarily what they're supposed to be
doing and
doesn't have the information they need
to be interacting
with the american people and that is uh
that's a problem that is that's a big
problem um i think
ultimately this will probably lead to
some sort of of hearings
uh with congress at least i would hope
that's the case some open hearings
uh for for the public to then then
be part of um but with that said i think
i'll probably uh
i don't i don't think i want to to opine
any further
a lot of people were very confused by to
the stars academy i know
i know that you left um and and a few
others left
um a lot of people like i said they're
very very confused
like is it a money-making thing what is
this what's going on there
um i believe in general the intentions
were all good
um for the for the person that doesn't
know out there the listener that doesn't
know
uh what uh made you decide
uh to move on from that sure uh
first of all you're right the intentions
of ttsa were good um they were to
to drive discussion and innovation uh on
a topic that was fraught
with uh conspiracy taboo and stigma
and and to a large degree it succeeded
in breaking down many of those barriers
and and in large part is because of some
of the people that were part of that
effort we had chris mellon
and hal pudov and steve justice and jim
semivan and tom
all with different skill sets and uh
these individuals
had a tremendous amount of expertise and
for
from from the perspective of what they
brought to the table and
it was able to accomplish uh in a very
short time period
um much of it's it's it's its major
goal and that was to drive disclosure
now
why did we leave um i can't speak for
for steve justice or hal or chris
or anybody else i can only speak for
myself but for myself
uh the the company was shifting towards
entertainment and entertainment is a
good way to get your
return on investment if you have people
contributing to a company
through stocks well you kind of are
obligated to to give them a return on
their stocks
that's what they expect at the end of
the day it was a business
and so as a company began to shift
towards entertainment as a means to
to i think uh address uh the
shareholders
um my
my position became less and less
relevant because i i don't have the
experience in entertainment i'm not an
entertainer
uh i'm not a tv star
movie star uh yeah i was on tv but it
doesn't make me
a tv person um i
i'm just lou and so my my skill sets
really relies and
uh lies in the areas of of
connecting the dots and getting the
right information to the right people at
the right time at the right place
that's that's where my skill sets come
in and uh there's not a big there's not
a big demand for that
in in hollywood it's just that's you
know hollywood is
is reaching out to an audience largely
through through
scripted and unscripted type
entertainment and that's that's not my
forte
uh my forte is is uh probably more along
the lines from my
my background and my intelligence
expertise which is
getting uh legislators to pay attention
ex
people in the executive branch to pay
attention people in the media to pay
attention
uh foreign governments to pay attention
and and
lastly the american people which is
probably the most important thing
that we could be doing is to get get
them to pay attention and that's why i'm
doing
shows like yours um just as i do
any other other other televised news
whether it's
a major media outlet or or or a niche
uh podcast because i think i think the
information
is deserved by everybody um i i don't
you know i'm not a
i'm not a media snob i don't uh i don't
say well unless you have a million
viewers i'm not going to waste my time
i don't care if you have one viewer
bottom line this conversation is
important and it pertains to everybody
and i think i am it this for me is
where probably i can be better used and
served
by by engagement like this vice let's
say some
uh big fancy hollywood movie production
uh you know that that's about about me
um i'm not really that guy
unidentified great series i really
enjoyed it
is that is that not continuing
i mean things the dynamics have changed
well
you know we we never intended it to go
beyond really two to
two seasons when chris nye and others
got into this this was a me we look
again we're not hollywood people we did
this
to communicate a message and to
demonstrate the seriousness of this
topic
um you know if at some point in the in
the future or near future it looks like
we need to engage again
to do something like that and bring out
new evidence new material and and
then we're we're certainly open to do
that um but we have to be very careful
because we only have so much bandwidth
there's only so many hours in the day
that i can commit to doing something
like this which
as you know doesn't pay the bills i i
don't i don't receive a penny
from anybody doing anything like this
you know i have a real job i have to i
have to do
um and it you know doesn't really
involve
um outreach to the public so this is on
my own time
and i spend a lot of my time doing this
and and at some point
if it turns out that we we have another
opportunity to
maybe engage the american people and the
world and something similar to what we
had with unidentified then
yeah you know we may we may consider
doing that but it'll be
though keep in mind you're going to be
filming for seven months out of the year
non-stop
it's it's at the it's at the consequence
of not being able to do like what i'm
doing with you here today so
either i i can do this like we're doing
and continue to engage the media
and and push forward or i can do
something like that
but it's going to cause me to be removed
from the from the from the trade space
for for a prolonged period of time
and of course and there's ndas and i
can't talk about what we're doing until
it comes out
and people start getting impatient say
lou where the hell are you what what are
you doing lately
you know are you alive um and that
that kind of stuff yeah i i know when i
talked to the publicist
um that was working with the history
channel and you and and others
um it was oh he's traveling he's
traveling you know he can't do anything
he's traveling he's traveling
and then covet came and she said
he's traveling i said during covet this
one was traveling
and you may or may not have been uh we
have a couple of uh
questions in one of them is actually
from bill the engineer
and again uh we will get to your
questions you know if you'd like to call
in
i will put that number up just a tad
early um
on the half of the last half of the hour
uh would louis appear
at an open or closed door hearing
if called upon to discuss the aerial
threat assessment
post report well i'm not sure i'd have a
choice
um you know if congress issues a
subpoena you you you're going
so uh you know let me answer that
succinctly yes if i'm asked to testify i
will
certainly i will certainly do so
yeah um there's other there's a ton of
other questions but i wanted to tell you
something really interesting that
happened to me many years ago before i
was really even looking into this topic
at all
um you know i had a slight interest as a
kid but i had a sighting in 2006
um that kind of you know it's why i'm
doing the show today
but before the time i wasn't really
paying too much attention to anything
but
i had an insurance broker i've mentioned
this on this show before
who was at my house and we were
chit-chatting um he was hanging out and
we were talking and he talked about when
he was in vietnam served in vietnam
and then he very quietly said i was in a
very
unusual position i said well what was
that
and he said well i belonged to a task
force
in vietnam that was researching the ufo
uh phenomena that was happening during
the war
and uh so i asked i said
you know of course i asked them the
question well what is it what are they
you know i mean that's what
everyone kind of wants to know anyway
and um
and then um as we were talking i said
you know when i was in high school
i did i did an essay that perhaps all
the different racism
in the world were placed here from
different planets just just kind of a
fun thing
and i mentioned that to him and he said
well you know that may not be that far
off he said we may be a petri dish
and this was like in the early 1990s
something like that
and i just wondered had you ever heard
of any
like task force like that when it comes
to the vietnam war
well first of all i'll state
emphatically we are a petri dish
um you know that origins aside we we are
there's
there's an abundant uh amount of life on
this on this little planet that we call
earth
and it's it's it it's pervasive
everywhere uh it it's virtually in the
the highest parts of uh of our our of
our
of our planet to include uh the
himalayas to the deepest parts of our
ocean and even miles under
ice so so we are a bit of a petri dish
and and to some degree human beings are
a walking petri dish
with my background in microbiology and
immunology um
have i heard about a task force designed
in
uh that was operating in the vietnam era
in the vietnam aor for the purpose of
studying ufos i'm not
but what i will say is that at the time
the height of the cold war
we were in the we were in the midst of
fighting multiple
proxy wars whether in central america or
in uh
in um in asia and africa and everywhere
else
um you know the stakes were high and so
it's
we had us in the soviet union were
constantly coming up with new innovative
ways to
to collect on each other and ultimately
kill each other uh and that's true not
just from a nuclear technology
perspective
it's true in in aerospace uh you know we
had
that was a time in the in the 60s and
70s that we
really were beginning to to develop
things such as the sr-71 blackbird
um and if you've never seen one of those
before in the 1960s it probably looked
like a spaceship
uh we had the x-15 russia had a bunch of
new technology um you know we were
constantly dodging surface-to-air
missiles
uh in in vietnam over the border
and so it was a really hot time for
being a cold war so to speak
uh it may have been a cold war by name
but certainly not by action
and so it doesn't surprise me that we
had a task force
that was uh designed to to try to
identify new types of innovative
technologies
from from our enemy now whether or not
that task force was specifically looking
at ufos or looking at basically any type
of
technology that we don't immediately
recognize uh
that's you know that's certainly that's
certainly possible um
you know i i wasn't aware of anything
when i was in atip
only to find out that i met an
individual after it took me after i left
atip
to realize there was an individual that
was working this project back in the
1980s for the navy
and that was for me was uh rather
surprising
um i no one had failed to mention that
to me when i was when i was in atip and
it probably would have been very useful
so am i surprised
not particularly am i aware of it no i'm
not aware of it
interesting going back uh we can go all
the way back to the night
late 1940s when we'll call it like the
modern
ufo era i guess um since about that time
if the air force actually admitted
that we have things flying around our
sky we don't know
what they are what they could or could
not do to us
and we have no control over it um
because that
seemingly what is the truth of it all
but um for them to uh just stay quiet
about that
um do you think that if they did admit
something like that
that there would be some type of panic
well think about first of all what we're
what we're asking the institution to do
and that is to admit to the american
people that there's something
in our skies again we don't know what it
is we don't know how it works we don't
know where it's from we don't know their
intentions
and there's nothing we can do about it
for any country to say that
um is is is admitting
that um that the government cannot do
one of its primary functions and that is
to protect the people
uh and and determine what a threat is
so that's a very bold statement at the
height of the cold war with the russians
there were several studies done that
actually informed the government and
advise the government don't have this
conversation
if these things aren't directly
interfering with your military
operations
ignore them and focus on the threat
which is russia because they have nukes
and they have demonstrated a capability
uh to to deliver those
should we go to war and so that was
where our time and attention was spent
and it's it's no it's it's it probably
would have been
would not have been helpful uh to the
american government
because if it turned out that these were
some sort of russian
technologies being used against us that
would be a really
difficult conversation to have with the
american people i mean that would be
that would be a very tough conversation
and uh so i
i think some folks just decided it
probably better off just to ignore it
and not pay attention to it maybe
minimize it as a reality
uh and instead focus on on the big
threat that we know is there and that is
that is the at the time the the soviets
right right and there's still you know i
mean part of this task force
is an exploration to you know
for that possibility um we are we are
going to head into break right now we
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about a three and a half minute break
we're going to go into right now
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so
all right coming back in three two one
go all right welcome back
this is martin willis and my guest
tonight
is lou elizondo and uh
lou i'm so glad that uh i'm trying to
trust this three here here we go
so glad again that you could join us and
i really do appreciate
you know you said that you'd be on a
show with one listener it didn't matter
and i i do
i do believe that about you that you
have that uh type of dedication
and um as bill said during the break
sent me a text
um you are very well needed in this
you know i think as long as i've been
looking into the topic which really
isn't that long compared to a lot of
people
is uh it's really nice to see
things move forward and and move ahead
and going and seemingly the right
direction the word disclosure comes up a
lot i don't know
um how you feel about that a lot of
people must ask you that
do you think there'll be full disclosure
by the government you mentioned earlier
if they landed on the white house lawn
and i've said a similar thing
how many people in the world would
believe it or not believe it
i mean you know there's like you said
someone can talk
uh a debunk somehow uh
even if the president were to admit it
it doesn't matter
i mean martin no offense but there's
people that still believe the earth is
flat
and you know that's their prerogative
and and privilege if they want to they
want to believe that
despite the overwhelming evidence that
that's certainly not the case um you
know so
yeah there's always going to be people
that no matter what
are not going to to to believe this and
we i think we need to be patient because
this is not a
you know we're not a we shouldn't be
approaching this as a
see i told you we were right i told you
so um you know
and and thumbing our nose at somebody
that that's not what this is about
uh you know the once disclosure
actually occurs the real hard
conversation is going to begin
um you know this is you know this is not
necessarily a time to celebrate per se
um i think it's it's it's we're entering
into
to an age of acknowledgement uh but
but a lot more work's gonna be be needed
and i think what's important too is that
you know there's a lot about this topic
that really isn't up to the government
to disclose uh the government is only
gonna be looking
at this through a very narrow lens of
national security
um but anything beyond that that's
that's up to us to have that's up to us
to have that conversation
as as the people we shouldn't be relying
on the government
to to make decisions on our behalf on
the philosophical implications of this
topic this is part of our problem we've
become very lazy as a society
and we've relied too much on our
government this is part of the problem
we're relying our government to tell us
not only what what something is but how
we should feel about it and what we
should think about it
and that to me is extremely dangerous it
that's up to
us that's up to you the people to make
that decision
don't put the government in the driver's
seat of those those philosophical
questions because
it it's not a discussion that pertains
them it's a discussion that belongs to
us
and ultimately i think between our
academics and our scientists and our
philosophers and our theologians and
everybody lady dottie maybe maybe then
we'll be able to
to figure this out but i i for one don't
feel comfortable
putting this entire topic in the hands
of our government i don't think it
should be there i think
portions of it should but but there's
portions that that should remain
outside government channels in my
opinion
right um i've heard you say in a number
of interviews people have brought up the
recovered craft
and you know there's a lot of people
that will say hey how the heck
can these crap you know travel the
universe or whatever it is they're doing
and get here and then somehow crash um
and i know you can't
if you know something that's classified
i know you can't talk about it
but um do you think it's possible that
they're somewhere there is this material
i think you've been asked that question
directly
yeah i stated for the record what my
belief is and
uh simply put yes i believe that uh
there are elements within the us
government that are in possession of
some very exotic material that needs
further analysis and study
and that is my my my personal belief
based upon my personal observations
uh during my time in this program and
and
and afterwards but you know i i'm going
to be very careful not to
to state uh something that really isn't
up
to me to to to discuss
um if the government is in possession of
something it then is up to the
government
to make a determination uh how it wants
to let the american people know
and then if the american people are
unsatisfied with that well then you know
what we take it up with the government
and you know we get new elected leaders
and we put people in office that we want
there that are going to represent our
interests and make the government do
what we wanted to do
um you know again another reason why i'm
very very cautious
that that we put too much emphasis and
reliance upon the government to tell us
what we want to hear
um i i don't subscribe to that i think
that's very dangerous i think we're
we're giving away a lot of our our
rights and privileges when we do
that i i think i think i'm a firm
believer that the government
is there to serve the people not the
other way around and the government is
there to do what we tell it to do
and it's gonna it's gonna look at a
topic the way we think it should look at
a topic
um ultimately that's that's the
definition of a democracy
and and you have a representative
government that's executing the will of
the people
and i i feel very very strongly about
that so as far as you're talking about
crash retrievals et cetera
you know that's that's really up to the
government to decide to
to to discuss what it it has and doesn't
have
uh and that's true whether it's uh parts
of some sort of uh
um new technology from our foreign
adversary that we happen to collect or a
new
type of part of a satellite platform or
a new part of
a a uap ufo um
i i you know the government ultimately
is going to have to answer that
uh i i i suspect that there is
there is uh an effort underway right now
uh within the government to
to to address that but specifically how
and by whom i i i can't elaborate
i've asked this question in particular
to people have been on the show like an
astrophysicist um harvey loeb and
a few other astronomers this particular
question
and that is if if
let's just say that we are being visited
by
another intelligence and let's just say
that we are being visited
from somewhere in the universe by
another
um intelligence and there were
uh there there are say billions of
other planets out there that could house
intelligent life
um why us why would they why would we be
so special
why would they be visiting us why not us
same question let me put that back in
your lap why not us and
i'm not saying we're necessarily special
we could be completely mundane and
routine
but we we as a species spend a
much of our time and attention looking
at the routine and mundane
and we we spend a lot of time with
biologically speaking and
there's entire people that that dedicate
their lives to to the study of insects
right
most people say an insect why would you
do that well because it's a it's a
living thing
and it's important to the ecosystem and
everything has a role to play
and so whether you are a bovine
specialist or an equine specialist or
or a human medical doctor we spend a lot
of time
studying biological organisms from the
very very small to the very very large
and
if you have a a let's say a petri dish
as you you stated earlier this hour
called earth with all sorts of
biomarkers
well there's probably a pretty good zoo
to visit then if you want to take a look
at a lot of different species you know
all in one place so um that's
that's my perspective anyways but
ultimately look at the end of the day we
don't know we don't know the intent
we're looking at this from a humanistic
perspective that
that the the curiosity we have is going
to be the same thing that
something else has uh you know beyond
our our solar system when in reality
that may not be true you know we're
looking this through anthropomorphic
eyes
because we're humans uh it could be a
fundamentally different way of
thought processes that you know that
that drive the motivation why something
would want to be here
that's right i've said something similar
to that many times and
another thing is you know you think of
back on the 20th century
we killed more people during that
century than ever on record
and we're violent we're tribal and as uh
you know stanton friedman
would say you know we found the matches
when we found nuclear
warheads when we figured that out
and if this is just a speculative
question if you had to guess why
they're not making themselves being
rightly known
again i guess i'd be asking you to think
in human
terms do you think that's why could be a
possibility of why they're not is
because we are such a violent species
well in human terms let's let's look at
let's let's go down that that road for a
second
when a biologist goes to africa uh
and they're studying cheetahs they don't
go up there with with with
cat food and and pet the thing you know
they stand back about 50 yards off they
might dart it
and tranquilize it before they go near
it and then before the thing wakes up
they're they're gone man they split
uh because it is a wild animal and um
you know it could very well be that that
if you again looking at this through
human eyes
and which which may not be the case we
don't know
um it could very well be that it's it's
just a matter of of due diligence and
precaution
you know we we behave exactly the same
way
when we're out in the wild and we're
tagging and tracking animals whether
it's
it's it's whales in the ocean or
or uh wilder beasts that are on a great
migration across the serengeti so
i i i again to go back to from the human
perspective there's lots of reasons why
uh a species would not want to interact
with us directly
um look we're our own species and we
don't like to interact with each other
half the time
you know you just said to yourself we
come up with all these clever ways to
destroy each other and rip each other
apart
um you know chances are if there was a
another species out there that was
looking at us
you know they probably want to stay at
arm's length um i i get that
yeah yeah even though they could
probably destroy us
if they wanted to maybe that's again not
in their way of thinking
um as far as the ufo um
as far as uf ufos the study of ufos do
you think it's possible that any of our
adversaries may have
more information on what these things
are than we have
and it also makes me wonder why we don't
unify
in a situation like this martin therein
lies
the the real issue uh for me that
we have we have a preponderance of
evidence that suggests
other countries are looking into this
phenomenon and and they're they're
they they may even possibly have a
better understanding than we do
um if that is the case then
you know uh he who gets that that
that match first wins um that type of
technology in the hands of an adversary
uh you know could could make the the
the atom bomb look like a firecracker uh
and
uh you know that that concerns me
because we we we
we're sitting on our laurels and we're
just
we have a lot of stigma and taboo to to
paralyze the conversation
and while other countries are taking it
rather seriously
and that that is a concern for me and
now does it have the potential to unite
i sure hope so uh because otherwise it's
not going to be a very good day for
humanity i think
i think it should unite us i think we
should find some some commonalities here
and rather than focus on the
10 percent of differences that we have
with other countries uh and other
nations
maybe we instead focus on the 90
that we have in common and maybe this
can be something to help unite us
uh there have been times in the past
where you have for example climate
change
that has united great portions of the
world to come together for a common
cause now
uh it's not perfect and not everybody's
going to get on board
uh necessarily but but there are times
where we come together you know reagan
once said that that if there was ever
president ronald reagan that if a ufo
had
landed here or you know there's a big
asteroid coming
we would instantly be united as as a as
a world
um do i think that's practical possibly
i think it's certainly possible i think
when people realize there's
bigger issues we need to worry about
than our own manufactured
drama and traumas that we create for
ourselves you know
yeah it could be it could be a hell of a
motivator for us to start working
together
right yeah all good um
so this came in from also from
um someone over at the radio station
from your own personal perspective
on this issue would you endorse funding
to be allocated to military branches
and agencies to address the threat posed
by these unidentified aerial phenomenon
absolutely but i would also dedicate an
equal amount if not greater amount of
money to organizations like the national
science foundation
uh to to also work on this this effort
to figure out
uh its full implications is there a
national security
piece to this yeah absolutely there is
but as i said before it's not only
national security there's other things
that we could be
putting we could we could create a a a
a federal construct where we have the
best and the brightest from academia in
the scientific community
department of energy uh nasa faa
department of defense the intelligence
community bring everybody
who's got a stake in this maybe there's
an international organization under the
united nations
uh where we can work collectively on
this because this is ultimately a global
phenomenon not just a u.s phenomenon
right
um i wanted to uh i was trying to grab
this screenshot i'll try to grab it now
because i thought i'd give you a little
bit of a a stump
to uh to to talk about what i saw you
um go on twitter and announce today and
i'm just going to pull that up right now
and i'll make it a full screen so
um right here you said
i like your pledge by the way but uh
again and again you have to talk about
this um
that people are asking you if you were
involved
in the um what was it a a w
s a p and you you look a little
frustrated when you talk about that
and so if you want to go ahead and and
talk about that and
sure well there's there's people that
have have for whatever reason
and i've made it abundantly clear over
and over and over again and it looks
like i have to do it yet again
that think i was associated with the
with the ossat program when in reality
my my focus was atip i have i have
stated that for the record
for the last three years uh but there
are people
for some reason that are still confused
by that and and some of these
were i'll tell you were personal friends
so yeah it's frustrating
but sometimes you know you have to
repeat things over and over again before
it resonates
and and uh people people understand that
um my focus was was a tip um
not asap asap was run by by my
predecessor
and and a contractor who by the way did
it did a very good job with that
um why there's still confusion i don't
know yes it's a little frustrating
um it's understandable but it's
certainly never come from my mouth
and you know if if
if i'm doing a favor for somebody by
having to restate this again and again
i'll do it again and again
but there should be no confusion my my
focus
was was on atip and and not assat and
again you can see that i know you
probably know this you've heard it a
thousand times in other podcasts
but for whatever reason there are some
people that maybe never heard these
podcasts never read an article
uh and and for some reason still think
i'm i'm associated with with asap
very good the nimitz case i mentioned
um in the text that i would talk a
little bit about that and um
going back up to a i guess you'd call
him a skeptic or
debunker mick west you know mentioned
that
he thought that the tic tac that they
were observing
was an f 18 hornet um and
basically i had i had kevin day on this
um
show basically saying his side of it and
when i got back to mick he said yeah i
kind of understand why i couldn't be
because there are so many reasons why
not but i'd like
to talk a little bit about that case b
is that
is that one of the cases that the
program actually looked into deeply or
was it not contemporary enough that
happened in 2004
you have to you have to unmute yeah
there we go sorry guys yeah uh i i
have these really fat fingers and i'm on
this little tiny keypad i'm trying to
disengage i'm sorry so so a tip uh i'm
sorry so
the nimitz incident occurred before the
a-tip program existed
however it was members of atip um
and and later to be known as atip that
conducted the investigation i i want to
be careful to not go into too much
detail of of who prepared that report
uh but uh the individuals that that
prepare that report
uh were later part of the a-tip program
right um this is uh you know it's a
rendition it's not
it's not actually footage but you know i
have uh i had someone on this program
that was actually on the either the
princeton or the nimitz
and they said they actually saw the hd
video
of the tic tac is that something
that um usually someone in your position
would have an availability to see
uh yeah martin i don't want to discuss
if something hasn't been released yet or
or is still in government possession i i
don't want to elaborate on that
uh only because um
i'm not supposed to uh yeah bottom line
is that you know the government is in
possession of
more videos more photographs i'll leave
it at that
some of them are very compelling um but
as to the specifics of high definition
video
uh of certain instances and things like
that i'm going to politely
abstain from answering that question
only because uh i
i don't know uh i don't know how far i
can go with that
question um so i'm just gonna politely
uh uh
sidestep that one yeah uh this one here
um you know it's enhanced a bit but
a great image and i know a lot of people
claim that they have you know the answer
to what that is
i'm sure you've heard it all um but
it would you would think and this is an
argument i've heard out there a number
of times you would think that
if the government has at their
fingertips
all this technology and can figure out
what things are
why would they release that saying that
was unidentified
that is currently one of the real
unidentified
videos correct yes correct yeah
yeah i mean they said it themselves it
is unidentified uh
and it's you know uh again you can have
armchair quarterbacks all day long talk
about you know
lens flare and artifacts and all that
stuff but in reality that's not the case
it's it's a real object it's doing
something interesting and it's remains
unidentified
and the reason why is because uh you
know you
it's important in the context of the
conversation to recognize
rarely do you just have one collection
sensor on site
usually you have all sorts of collection
sensors a suite if you will
available to you to to collect telemetry
and uh elent electronics emissions and
intelligence and
and measurements intelligence masens and
uh
signals intelligence and all that all
the different ways of collecting
information about something so
you know again it's it's um a picture
may be worth
a thousand words but uh the rest of
intelligence is probably worth about a
million words and that's why it's so
important because the more
the more capability you bring to bear on
a particular incident
the more fidelity you have of a
particular incident
and that's that's what makes that
equally compelling it's not just
necessarily a video it's
it's the circumstances leading up to the
video and what happened after as well
right there were so many things that
went on and one of the things that mick
west
um had said is that he thought it was uh
um the f-18 was trying to the floor was
trying to get a lock on
on the f-18 and uh you know my
argument or my thoughts right away were
that
if someone was in that other f-18 they
would know right away as soon as there
was a lock on them
you know and and then there's the
transponders and there's
all the identification equipment
equipment that the um
that the camera uh would have uh
recognized right away with the other
sensors
um so anyway that is a spectacular case
and i'm sure you get asked this quite
often
um do you have a favorite case or one
that you think is the most compelling
that is known by the public well that's
like asking me if i have
a favorite child you know um
well do you have a favorite kid they uh
no i love my kids equally and
sometimes sometimes i can't stand them
equally too
that's all you know yeah no i'm kidding
my my my kids are the greatest
accomplishment of my life
uh you know i'll never be able to to to
obtain any any any uh anything greater
than that so i'm an
incredibly lucky father um as far as the
the my favorite case you know they're
they all have have have uniqueness about
them
and i think for me it's because they
don't all fit in a particular mold
why they're so interesting and
compelling to me because as an
intelligence officer
we're trained to find patterns we're
trained to find you know create this
mosaic
it's like putting together a jigsaw
puzzle and eventually you have enough
pieces on the on the
on the table where you can you can make
a picture you know what it is
but this is not that way this is this is
far more intriguing this is almost like
a
think of a three-dimensional puzzle a
puzzle that
not only fits uh on a table flat but you
also have these these
sides and tops and and whatnot and and
there's so many pieces to the puzzle
uh and and you can't force them together
you know they have to fit
and every time we think we have a
picture of of of
what it is we may be looking at all of a
sudden there's this whole other
dimension to the jigsaw puzzle now that
doesn't fit so
it might fit here but on the opposite
side now those pieces don't fit
um and so it's it's uh it it really is
it it's it's it's intriguing um it's
it's it's really one one hell of a
mystery
and then when you finally get to the
point where you do find some pieces that
fit and you start seeing a bit of a
picture
you know there's this realization that
wow you know this is this
really is some some pretty incredible
technology
when you were doing research at atip
were you able or did you have uh an
interest
in historic cases or did you have to
stay away from that
and just work on what you had the
freshest data on
yeah mark we stayed away from historical
cases i know people are going to be up
in arms and say no
how can you do that well because we
didn't have the fidelity of information
available to us you can't look at a case
from the 1950s
uh with with the same lens that you do
today's day and age because we have the
the the the pervasiveness of technology
and the and the sophistication is
is you know say forgive the pun light
years ahead of where it was
uh in the 50s and 60s and 70s in the 80s
we've come so far and so for us we had
enough information
uh where we could look at the cases
right here and now
because they they were frequent enough
where we were busy looking at these
things
also we had we were very we were very
limited we had to be focused only on the
military aspects we weren't really
focused
uh later on in the uh in the civilian
cases it was it was primarily military
cases
um and those that affecting uh you know
military-controlled airspace
so uh we were plenty busy with just just
that um
yes there were people there that knew
anecdotally some historical stuff but
but that wasn't overly helpful because i
couldn't go to the boss and say hey boss
guess what you know here's this old case
from 1950s
isn't this interesting he's going to
look at me he's going to say
okay that was 60 years ago what have you
done for me lately
so um you know it's far more when you
can show
radar tracks and you can show uh
some other uh uh data
that you can collect on site sometimes
from different platforms
in the area you know now you've got a a
pretty good triangulation of of
of something that is in in your airspace
that is behaving in a way that
quite frankly doesn't really make much
sense um that
that is is is more helpful when you go
to leadership with something like that
um then you know taking the cold case
from the 1950s that
really there's no there there's nothing
else there that you
the data is in front of you and that's
all you have you can't pull any more
data because
that data doesn't exist when you
left a tip was there
any debriefing like anything said to you
like you can't
speak about this anything like that yeah
i was told i can't discuss classified
information you know they reminded me ad
nauseum about my
about my non-disclosure agreement with
the united states government uh when you
have a top secret security clearance
along with the
the other stuff involved with it i won't
go into detail
uh different programs and attributes you
know you it's a lifelong
commitment you've made it's like a
marriage you know
but in this case you know if you if you
break your vow it's not a divorce you go
to jail
so yeah you know it it's pretty serious
the consequences are
are severe for those who step out of
rank and and decide to divulge
classified information it's called an
unauthorized disclosure
so uh you know that's that's that's why
i'm always very careful if i say
one wrong word i can find myself in a
lot of hot water so i'm very very
careful to make sure that i don't you
know i don't cross those
those lines yeah but those people
wouldn't be watching this podcast if you
want to disclose anything go ahead
you go you're going to visit me in jail
i'll put
the hacksaw blade in the cake i'll bring
a cake yeah
i don't look good in orange i can tell
you so uh you know
i'll uh i'll i'll pass on that okay
all right well um you know i think i'm
going to
open the lines because people are trying
to call already and i want to ask
people that are calling to please be
very respectful
and no games or anything and if anyone
does play any games or anything
you'll get a click so i'm going to also
martin real quick if my
my bluetooth drops out i will i have
another emergency pair here i'll just
plug in directly
um it usually has about a two hour life
but
the more i yammer the more the more
battery it chews up so
forgive me if it goes out i'll just plug
and play
okay sure all right so that number is
uh oh okay that number is
eight five five four seven two five four
eight three and um
i'm going to also pop up see if there's
if anyone wants to ask a question i have
not
been paid paying attention at all of
chat we have a lot of people in here
uh right now uh watching live quite a
few
so um again that number is 855-472-5483
and i'll be taking your calls uh
for questions for lou um what's what's
like the number one
thing that people ask you when they find
out what you did
i mean is it like can you share any
secret is that is that the first thing
they ask you
i'm talking about like the average
person usually the the first
response is you mean you're telling me
it's real and then usually the second
response is
so do we have uh ufos at uh area 51
that's usually the second question right
on the heels of that one
yeah well that's interesting and i'm
sure you've heard about
when i think it was i can't remember his
name right now on him
it's just slipping my mind but um the
skunk works
he said that it's possible we could you
know uh
send e.t home at this point i mean do
you think there's any viability in
what the technology is you know this is
another speculative question
what our technology is that we don't
know about at this point
well we don't know what we don't know
right so uh
we can speculate all day long i think
one thing that we
we can certainly recognize is that um
you know science our understanding of
science continues to evolve and
and evolves quickly uh based upon
observations
and things that we thought were
impossible in the past we continue
to prove ourselves wrong there was a
time where where we never thought we'd
break the sound barrier there was a time
where we never thought we could
uh make the quarter mile run in less
than four seconds there was a time where
we thought well that four minute was
running i'm talking quarter mile with a
drag race car oh hra sure sorry i'm a
gearhead right
so my days of running are over i i only
run when i'm being chased
i prefer uh gearhead talk so i apologize
um but there was a time where where
people thought we couldn't um you know
all the things that we have been
speculated before that we would never be
able to do
we've been able to do um and we we prove
ourselves wrong constantly
so if there is if there is uh one thing
that i think we can say conclusively is
that
we we definitely don't don't have all
the answers yet nor do we understand
uh physics and nature yet uh as much as
we would like to think we do
i i agree with that um our lines are
stacked our lines are full so we're
going to start out with uh
garcia los angeles welcome to the show
garcia
hi hi there welcome to the show you're
live
hey guys how are you uh hi luis uh
pleasure to be on um uh with you guys
um a really quick question so
uh i don't want to be speculative and i
don't want anybody to
think that i'm being speculative either
but do we louise do we
know whether uh these
uh phenomenon are from different sources
or have we identified one source what
i'm what i mean
is um you know are they coming from
different places
or are they just uh we know they come
from one place
good question so first garcia thank you
very much for tuning in
uh
i think uh you know i i think it's too
early to tell i think there's a lot of
speculation in that regard
we are um we are very
cautious not to to jump to any
conclusions um
we have not begun yet to ascertain the
sources
of these things again our focus was very
simple what is it and how does it work
uh and um we we really don't know and
and again the possibilities are really
endless
uh you know we tend to think and think
in terms of binary so
you know it's either from earth or from
outer space and what we're realizing is
that's false logic
that that may not even be the case at
all um there's all sorts of
possibilities in between
uh where these things could be coming
from uh and where they are from
and may not just be one it might be
several different types or it could be
these vehicles are from
a single source but are used for a
different utility or used for different
purposes think of a
uh think of a sports car versus a
tractor-trailer truck
versus an aircraft carrier and it could
be a simple
uh principle of design and function so
to to try to answer your question as as
best i can
it's it's not an easy answer and i don't
think we have an
answer yet i think there's a lot of
people who speculate that we do
but from from from from what i've seen
we really don't know the origin yet
and so everything's all options are on
the table until they're no longer on the
that's table great question thank you
thank you for that
i appreciate that all right garcia
it's a pleasure yeah um
there the other term i've heard of shock
valet says they could be a number of
different things all at the same time
which is uh or beyond our understanding
even if
we were told what they were which i
think is interesting and uh
um you know what is the right question
to ask and all that
and we don't even know the right
question so we have rob
from sarasota florida welcome to the
show rob
uh martin good evening and thank you so
much for the opportunity and mr elizondo
it's
great to speak to you go rams right
yeah yeah exactly riverview
yes sir uh one factor i want to bring
your attention you know
the nimitz tic-tac event out there in my
research i found
something that might be a factor of why
those
those craft were out in that area have
you ever heard of naval
operation wigwam operation wigwam
you know i'm not familiar with wigwam
was that a uh is that an electronic
warfare
uh scenario uh that that's run out there
in the training area i'm not familiar
with wigwam
roger no it's not uh they detonated a 30
kiloton
nuclear weapon fleet feet below the
surface
400 miles southwest of san diego now the
tic tac was about 100 miles southwest
of san diego so as quickly as these
craft move
they were in that vicinity and we know
how these craft have had
such an interest in our nuclear
activities
they may have been very curious as to
why they're detecting underwater
radiation
from because there's radiated objects on
the bottom barges
yeah that's fascinating can you tell me
again one more time the yield of that of
the kiloton yield
that was part of wigwam thirty three
zero
thirty kilotons so that's roughly uh
four times larger than what we had on uh
hiroshima which was a 13 kiloton so
that's pretty sizable
do you know that again i'm going to ask
you a dumb question here was it was
do you know the approximate depth that
that was uh detonated
yes 2000 feet oh wow okay
yeah so that's
yep a lot of good videos they
declassified a lot of the uh the film
from that period of time
it's fascinating and i'll send some
information to martin that he can
forward to you but
you know what i i saw the wigwam i i
actually ran into a veteran who was out
there in a ship
and he told me about it and then when i
saw the tic tac i said they're right out
in that vicinity because
yeah you know rob that's a really rob
that's a really interesting point one of
the
the the i think one of the conclusions
that we can say
uh uh almost almost definitively
is that there does appear to be some
sort of nuclear connection and if you
look at the nimitz uh
carrier strike group you're looking at a
at a potential
nuclear footprint that is that is very
considerable you're looking at
a first of all you're looking at
nuclear-powered aircraft
uh you're looking at uh potentially some
nuclear-powered uh vessels that are also
uh supporting
and escorting the uh the aircraft
carrier you're looking at nuclear
capable submarines uh that are not just
nuclear power but in some cases may have
uh
uh nuclear weapons on board and so when
you look at that in total
you you know you that's a pretty
significant nuclear footprint
all concentrated in a very small tight
geographic area
and it's something that we have we have
considered
before and we continue to see that
pattern over and over again but
as far as operation wigwam i wasn't
familiar was that back in the 1950s
yes it was actually almost 66 years to
the day
may 14th 1955.
that makes sense interesting well i'll
tell you what uh
you always learn something new and i'm
gonna if you don't mind whatever
information you're willing to send
uh would be the most appreciated i'm
gonna i'm gonna look at that too that's
uh that's really neat thank you for
sharing that's that's that's fascinating
yeah you bet just very quickly you know
this may you know
this may be a clue to the vulnerability
of these
these unknowns is that you know if
they're running along with some kind of
an
anti-gravity or gravitational assist or
control
you know a nuclear generated
electromagnetic pulse may interrupt
their control and thrust
and you can imagine if you're going
along in a bubble of your own gravity
and something interrupts it you could
end up like a bug on a windshield
certainly certainly what is being looked
at right now
um i i'll be careful not to pontificate
too much but
uh there is definitely some some
speculation
that um any any if
if that is what is being used that
perhaps uh an
emp may be able to interfere with that
uh
with that technology um that's something
that i think is during the achilles heel
and and just quickly i'll close because
you know commander fraber said as
soon as they painted that object the tic
tac with his radar
it started jamming their radar he said
in every way you can
and then kevin day said at one time it
was
raining ufos which is classic radar
jamming so
they are very very concerned when they
get painted with radar because they know
we've got nuclear
devices yeah yeah very interesting
and uh rob thank you for sharing again
that was
very insightful yeah rob
thanks for the call yeah that was it
we're getting some good questions
and uh again the lines are all the way
full we have drew
uh from texas next welcome to the show
drew
uh hi there
hey lou uh thanks for everything you're
doing and martin uh
great job on the show thanks for calling
andrew
yeah i just had an easy question for lou
i was just curious i
i've noticed that uh you've had a
quite a bit of an uptick lately in
interviews and i was curious what that
was about
well it's i'm not filming for tv shows
and i have more time to commit to
to the public public there's i've always
talked about the five pillars
of our uh of our emphasis and the first
is our legislative engagement the second
is our
uh executive level engagement working
with the government the the third
is uh engaging our foreign counterparts
and allies and friends
international engagement uh the fourth
pillar is engaging the media and the
fifth
is public engagement but it is actually
public engagement that may be the most
important of all
because let's face it uh elected
officials the legislators
will respond to the american people the
executive branch will respond to
complaints by the american people
uh the media will respond to um
viewers uh by the american people right
audienceship
and and uh look watch eyeballs on tv
sets
uh looking at the news and last but not
least uh the american people
uh at least from this perspective are
really probably the most fundamentally
important because
really this conversation belongs belongs
to you
um and from from from my perspective
this is fundamentally probably the most
important
way to to for disclosure to happen
um it's a very delicate dance and you
can't get ahead of your headlights you
can't
you can't get the legislative branch so
far ahead that the executive branch has
no idea what's going on
and vice versa and the media has to be
willing to to talk about this and not
feel that they're going to get pounded
by viewers and saying oh what the heck
are you doing
reporting on this nonsense uh and and
you need the the the public to say it's
okay
for all of them to to look at this and
so i think this is why it's so vital
this is why you see an uptick
and by the way good observation because
it's necessary because the other efforts
of emphasis
won't happen unless the american people
say it's okay for it to happen
and so this is why this is why having
martin and
folks like you have this conversation
collectively
this is where where where the work gets
done this is where where real meaningful
conversation happens
in my opinion thank you
thank you very much uh one more question
that ties into that uh
so i've watched most of your interview
interviews
and listened to them uh you said in one
of your recent interviews to
pay close attention in the month of may
and i was just curious if your uptick in
interviews
was uh related that or is it because of
the
the june release that the government's
going to
just really comment from that uh i i
think you're going to see
an elevation and an escalation of
mainstream reporting on this topic
um outlets that have typically or
historically stayed away from this topic
are beginning
to to have this discussion
with their audience and their viewers
and that's a that's an indicator
that's an indicator that the tide is
changing that that
it is it is becoming easier to have this
conversation
you have now senior academics and senior
scientists coming out of the shadows and
saying you know what
yeah we should be studying this we
should be looking at this i never wanted
to say anything before but but now i
have the courage to say something uh
i think this
i think this month is going to be
pivotal for this conversation
uh i think it's going to become easier
to to talk about
in the coming months especially before
the
the report is due to congress um
and uh i i think that's all i'll say
right now about it because i
i have to be careful not to to let too
much out
um only because you know things things
have to play out naturally and i don't
want to
i don't want to do anything to to derail
anything prematurely but there's there's
a lot happening behind the scenes and if
there's one thing people have noticed
it's all terribly orchestrated well it's
it's it
i would say orchestrators it's certainly
being coordinated
uh because again what we don't want to
do is get to a point where
um the legislative branch or the
executive branch or international
partners or anybody is
is necessarily ahead of anybody else
this is a gradual conversation we need
to bring everybody up incrementally
uh to have this conversation and so it
is
uh there is a a good degree of
synchronization that is that is required
um and you know it's it's a tough topic
it's it's
we've you know we really haven't done
this before like this
uh we've we've done it before in other
ways and arguably
may not have been quite as successful
but i think
you know i think i think we need to to
continue doing what we're doing and the
way we're doing it
it seems to be it seems to be working it
seems to be effective
we want to make sure that we get as many
callers in as we can so i dropped the
number
um up on the board and we have five
stacked up waiting
so we're going to try to get through but
i just wanted to say that uh if you
wanted to pass
information along to me i'm going to put
um up
um you'll see this in the chat is
the um email address for myself
martin podcast ufo.com and
uh luis alozondo i'm going to spell that
is
e l-u-i-s-e-e l z i z
o n d o hyphen official dot com
that is uh that's lou's website so
you're welcome to use that
we have joe uh on the line from michigan
welcome to the show joe
yes hi martin uh lou i have a question
i have a question for you lou um i've
been studying this topic for
close to six decades and the one
incident that really moved me more than
anything else
uh as an aerial school encounter and i'd
like to hear what you have to
say about that lou if you would please
yeah i mean that's something i think
james fox did a really fine job uh
presenting the facts
involving the aerial school uh what most
people may not know is that there was
a uranium mine nearby um
coincidence wow i don't know uh
but you know for every one of those uh
incidents that have been
reported there are some equally
compelling incidents that remain below
the radar
that have occurred but nobody's really
wanted to talk about and i think as we
continue to have this conversation more
these incidents are going to be become
publicized
and and well known um i think what makes
this this incident so interesting is
that you have
uh a lot of eyewitnesses um and and just
like the scene of an accident the more
eyewitnesses you have the
better it is to figure out what what
happened how was the accident cost
and you also had kids who
don't really have the sophistication to
to you know when you when you are doing
an investigation uh
kids can tell you stories but for all
the kids to have a consistent story
uh even when you separate them by space
and time
and they still remain consistent with
each other and they're not talking to
each other
uh you know that's that's pretty
compelling you know now you're talking
about something that
that was experienced by multiple people
that that was perceived as being
actually a real event
and because of that we have to take it
very very seriously
um you know again
kids are people and and they're prone to
fabricate uh that's
that's you know normal kids tell fib
sometimes uh
but all the kids don't tell the same fit
uh that's that's that's very unusual and
that's why i think
it's so compelling you also had adults
and and teachers
uh that were also privy to to this
incident so i
you know i do think it's significant um
it is a
it's an incident that did not involve
the u.s military
so uh we in atip didn't really look at
it as comprehensively per se
as other things we were dealing with but
it is certainly very very interesting
yes thank you very much for that and i i
do agree with you joe and
also uh randall nickerson's film the
aerial phenomenon
should be coming out i keep trying to
reach out to him to try to figure out
when that date but when it comes out
it's going to be fantastic i will tell
you that
uh julie is next from alabama welcome to
the show julie
hi hello how are you martin
i'm doing well thank you for calling in
you have a question for our guest
i do lou this is jewels of the wood from
ufo twitter first off
and i'm wondering
what kind of data might noah have
considering their broad collection
abilities
and are they foiable yeah noah is is
intriguing
that's exactly what what we're trying to
do in creating a construct where we
bring everybody under the tent
you know noaa has some of the most
sophisticated doppler weather radar
available
uh they are they it is extremely precise
and this
and it's very pervasive uh across the
country um
you know they have a very good
comprehensive integrated network
of of radar capability um and and noaa
has
capabilities everything from space-based
platforms all the way to ground space
platforms to to uh
water-based platforms so they they
really do have an incredible
array or if you will suite of technology
that that can be applied towards this
topic and that is absolutely one of the
areas that we're trying to
to to engage it's getting noah and
others um
faa as well uh under under the under the
tent
um in this in this greater construct so
i i've made no secret that i
i don't i don't agree with the with the
permanent solution being a task force
uh i think we need a more enduring
capability long-term capability to look
at this topic and it needs to include
more than just dod and intelligence
equities
it needs to be a whole of government
approach i would include the national
science foundation i would include noaa
and faa and department of energy and
everybody everybody that we can we can
put under there uh even osha
uh so i would there's a lot of a lot of
folks there that i think that could be
can be part of that um effort and uh
those efforts you know i think the more
eyes you have looking at a problem
the more likely you are to to find some
solutions joules
in um in that data i'm trying to move
everyone along thank you very much
for the question uh i really appreciate
it julie we have joanie
from pennsylvania on the line welcome to
the show joni
hi hi i have a question what do you
think about the 1965
pittsburgh incident
well i'm gonna say something that is
probably gonna
offend you ma'am but i i'm not familiar
with that incident now
i may be familiar anecdotally with it
but i'm not
i'm not at all familiar with the details
of it i certainly wouldn't want to speak
about something
that i that i have no idea about uh i'm
not
i wouldn't even know where to begin i'm
not qualified uh do you want to be more
specific perhaps maybe i can
maybe i can address something specific
regarding that it's
it's complicated um i think we're gonna
have to move on i'm sorry we're just
gonna have to move on just because we're
we're really running short on on time
and he's not familiar with it but i do
appreciate the call i'm sorry
but we're gonna move on to uh the next
one which is john
in los angeles welcome to the show john
thank you martin and uh thank you for
having
mr elizondo on i just wanted to thank uh
thank you lou for your hard work in this
field i've been
following this field since the 60s and
uh
it's so refreshing to see somebody with
your motivation
skills intelligence and and also with
your with your partner chris mellon
uh fight to have this uh issue john i
hate to argue with you but if you were
to ask my wife and kids i would probably
argue
about my intelligence and my my
skill in this but i do appreciate the
compliment thank you even though it's
undeserving but thank you for the
compliment
no well no seriously but thanks to you
my wife doesn't look at me like i'm
crazy when i say these things are real
flying around our uh
navy uh jets and everything but uh
uh i wanted to ask you and if you can't
say i understand but um
you know the navy's been pretty
forthright in coming forward with videos
and pilot testimony
and i always wonder why the air force is
so silent on this issue i
i you've probably probably been asked
this before but it seems like the air
force
is pretty quiet about everything that's
going on out there and they're
they're in charge of our skies and our
national security do you have any
you know opinion or that you can share
without you know obviously
breaking your nba yeah i mean the air
force is a fantastic
service uh they do an incredible job
protecting and guarding our skies
let's not forget though that they were
in charge of project blue book
uh and there was a lot of pressure there
to to
to close that effort out uh and and to
move on you know nothing to see here
folks
and item not even sure that came from
air force brass i think that probably
came
from from much higher up there was
probably a lot of political pressure to
to uh to close that close out that
effort
and in doing so when you make a public
statement that says hey
these things aren't aren't a concern uh
they're not really a real issue it's
hard to go back
on that statement like that and come
back and say uh actually
we were wrong uh now i will tell you
that that
you know this is not your father's
oldsmobile today today's air force is
not yesterday's air force uh they are
highly competent and they've always been
competent
but they they are true true experts and
professionals and i've had the honor and
privilege to work with them many of them
side by side
both in operations and investigations uh
and i think there is a recognition that
this is an important topic and issue
the problem is right now is that that oh
it's not a problem that the
the fact is that the navy's is in charge
of this
is running the task force right now and
this is again where chris mellon and i
believe that this task force shouldn't
be under a navy construct they're very
competent they're very good but
this isn't necessarily only a navy issue
um and and this is why we think there
needs to be a more enduring construct
that includes the whole of government uh
to
to participate and yes that includes air
force and yes that includes space force
and yes that includes coast guard
and navy and army because army's seeing
these things as well
uh we know that for a fact you know so
why aren't they part of this
so i think i think you're going to see
that shift
beginning to occur you're going to see a
a
an evolution from being just a navy
centric task force to something maybe a
little bit more
comprehensive and robust
thank you sir i really appreciate your
time and thank you for uh for
fighting to do for for what you're doing
well i
i i appreciate you thank you
thanks for the call very much so i'm not
going to take any more calls and i'm
sorry uh uh joe we couldn't take your
call
about we're right right at the end of
the show so
i guess i want to ask you one last
question what is the
the strongest message that you would
like to get
out to people that are watching the show
wow martin uh and you only have one
minute
yeah i wish i'd prepared uh for that um
have the courage to ask the questions be
fearless in asking the questions in the
pursuit of the truth
don't let anybody tell you that the
questions you're asking are dumb or
stupid or irrelevant
you have the courage and the commitment
to ask those questions
um have the courage to to put your
government
uh on the spot have the courage to put
me on the spot have the courage to
to ask the hard questions uh to anybody
who says are committed to this effort be
mindful
of of those of those uh individuals
that are are charlatans or selling you a
narrative
um they probably don't have your best
interest at heart uh
and you know what have have the courage
to
to think for yourself and have your own
opinions uh it's okay uh
it's it because none of us have yet all
the answers
this is exactly why we're having this
conversation so
with that uh i guess my my final
recommendation would be just
overall have have the courage to pursue
this topic in in any way you think you
need to pursue it
excellent um i thank you for all you do
for your service and everything you've
done for the ufo community you've helped
us
move forward and i really appreciate it
thank you so much for giving us the time
tonight
martin my honor and privilege thank you
to you and your audience it's really
been a pleasure of mine thank you so
much
excellent all right you take care yes
sir we'll talk muskets again sometime
anytime all right take care yeah all
right everyone so that's it for the show
this evening thank you thank you so much
uh next week
we have damian knott on um on our
regular scheduled show
so again i want to thank everyone for uh
tuning in watching on youtube and
whichever way you watch
and remember everyone to keep your eyes
to the sky
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