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“We Are Not Alone” – Luis Elizondo on Real UFO Encounters, Government Secrets, and Underwater Aliens
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Patrick Bet-David interviews Luis Elizondo a former U.S. military intelligence official who led the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). With a background in national security and counterintelligence, Elizondo has become a central figure in UFO/UAP research, advocating for transparency on unidentified aerial phenomena and their potential impact on global security.

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvqUFdVicSE

Transcript:

there's a real national security issue
here so they made it very clear to me
that I have to be very careful not to
talk about something that I'm not
allowed to talk about you know let me
give you a little piece of advice here
don't let your analytic bias get the
best of you because what you're going to
learn May challenge any preconceived
notions or narratives that you have the
American population absolutely cannot
have this discussion they cannot handle
the truth it will cause people to to
lose faith in their religions their
faith and confidence in government
it was basically a definitive no but I
left the Pentagon after that I left I
resigned I believe Americans can handle
the truth because we're having a
conversation now you and me some of
these vehicles have come so close to a
combat formation that they've actually
split the air formation right down the
middle you've personally witnessed it
you've seen it right in front of you
I've held it in my hand material Steven
G what are your thoughts on Steven G
When anybody gets up there and says
believe only me that's a problem this is
the true life from that's been on this
planet all along and we just discovered
it 120 years ago so is it possible that
these friends from out of town these
these UAP are just as natural to Earth
as we are we know more about the surface
of the Moon than we know about our own
oceans is it possible these things could
be coming from underneath the oceans yes
that's possible too former president
Donald Trump saying for the record if he
were to get elected he would actually
consider releasing the UFO files but I
had people come to me and beg me not to
do it but I'll be doing doing that very
early on who doesn't want this
conversation to be had oh wow um there's
a few would you consider yourself a
whistleblower well if you're asking me
um now I'm a
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have a simple Mission every time like
what's my number one outcome and I kind
of go into the podcast today's outcome
is very simple we're not make it
complicated all I want to know by the
time we're done with the podcast is what
the government is hiding from us if we
can figure that out Luis with you and
not not a big deal we just want to know
what's going on with these aliens and
uaps and you know you've been all over
the place the last few years every time
you turn it on you're on CNN you're on
Fox you're on this you're on news Nation
you're on Rogan recently you're all over
the place so we have a simple Mission
that's what the mission is you got a
book that just came out inside the
pentagon's hunt for UFOs eminent and uh
for the audience that doesn't know you
first of all I appreciate you for coming
out and spending some time together my
pray thank I I have consumed so much of
your content that I feel like I know you
at this point from watching these
interviews I'm so sorry but for the
audience that doesn't know you if you
don't mind taking a minute or two and
just kind of give your background how
you went about and then what all of a
sudden in 2008 when you got that call
walk us through that yeah sure um so
long story short I I grew up uh as a uh
bluecolor kid uh in South Florida um I
uh After High School I attended the
University of Miami uh I studied of
microbiology immunology and parasitology
not not parasitology the study of
parasites so
microorganisms and um after that I
joined the army and uh went into
military intelligence and um did some
support to Special Operations and uh
from there I was recruited into a very
specialized program within uh within the
government uh it was a civilian program
that still basically like a civilian
Soldier uh where I was a special agent
and um basically focused on uh National
National Security crimes so terrorism
Espionage um things like that spent
early part of my year my years uh in
Latin America doing um
counterinsurgencies and counternarcotics
and and things like that and supporting
some other three-letter agencies down
there counter counter Gilla operations
and then after 911 um found myself over
on the other side of the of the globe um
focused a lot of my my efforts in places
like Afghanistan and the Middle East um
this time focusing on things like hez
Bala and um other organizations Al-Qaeda
Isis and things like that how much
experience do you have with them with
Hezbollah with Al-Qaeda how much
interaction experience like closeup that
was our job I mean we recruited we
recruited sources we we were you
know using them as spies okay we'll come
back to that we'll come back to that's
good to know so
um then uh probably after four or five
of these trips over there my wife
finally said look you know I'm concerned
you're not going to come back um you're
you're really you're really rolling the
dice here and you're taking a lot of
chances and so I came back took a a
supervisory position um started running
um investigations back in Washington DC
and uh from there spent some time with
other three-letter agencies and the
Director of National Intelligence and in
2008 um I was asked to come back to the
Pentagon at the time I was working uh
over by the dni the Director of National
Intelligence U which is somewhat close
to cia's headquarters
but the commute was killing me and we
raised our two daughters and our family
on a little island called Kent Island in
the middle of the Chesapeake Bay because
I didn't want to raise them in a in a
big urban area like like DC so my
commute was 3 hours each way um
sometimes it was it was not uncommon for
me to spend more time in the car than I
was at the office so in 2008 I was asked
to come back to the Pentagon and start a
program to help integrate National level
intelligence excuse me with um with
local law enforcement after 9/11 we
realized iiz that we as a as a national
security apparatus we weren't sharing
threat related information very well
with local law enforcement so my job was
to fix that and it was shortly
thereafter um that some people visited
me in my office and uh after several
meetings asked me to be part of their
organization now what that organization
was at the time I had no idea um but
they they were cleared they had the blue
IC badge like I had and they had all the
clearances and finally one day I met I
met their boss and that's when I learned
about the US government's UFO
investigation and by the way we weren't
the only show in town there there was a
long history of the US government being
involved in investigating we call them
now UAP but in the vernacular it's UFOs
now at the time is that a publicly known
organization or it's underground that no
one knows it was not publicly known at
all so you're talking about the the uh
um uh the advanced Aeros space threat
identification program is that the one
correct a tip and in fact there was a
larger umbrella called ASAP and then
there was some an evolution over time
where the focus went from oap to really
kind of more pinpoint focused which was
atip so atip was looking pretty much at
the nuts and bolts of UAP interactions
with US Government assets so think of
military aircraft um military
installations uh other type of research
centers that are that belong to the US
government and how UAP were interacting
in and around those areas okay so is
this the one that Harry Reid raised $22
million to start this is the one that's
correct that's correct so what prompted
him to want to do this like normally
somebody doesn't just wake up and say
guys we have to start this thing and I
want to start recruiting certain people
let's go raise 22 million bucks to
investigate what what prompted his
motive right so um it wasn't just Harry
a lot of people think this was some sort
of wild goose chase by Senator Harry
Reid it wasn't this was a bipartisan
effort it was also Senator Ted Stevens
uh and from Alaska who was a Republican
and senator inway from Hawaii and on top
of that you had also uh John Glenn as
well astronaut former Astronaut John
Glenn and uh they had all had their own
experiences with UAP so for example
Stevens actually during war had uh had
seen a UAP and also um Harry Reed had
indicated that he had several if you
will run-ins with with UAP himself when
he was younger so oh when he got younger
when he was younger you're not talking
about the time he got a black eye that
wasn't a UAP that's a different story
that's well probably felt like a UAP
crashing I'm trying to make sure we want
we don't want stories to be go ahead
when he was younger yeah and so uh
there's always been an interest by these
individuals in in Congress to get to the
bottom of this there was also a report
which I heard directly from
from from the uh former Senator where he
was accidentally read on to the program
at one point uh to the to the ongoing
government's UFO program and he was so
incensed that when they tried to read
him off and say oh there was a mistake
we shouldn't have told you about this uh
he got very mad and this was one of the
one of the many reasons why he got
involved there was also some several
individuals in the Pentagon at the time
who were also very concerned about UAP
um one of them was actually the original
director for oap uh Dr James latky um
James laty was probably in my opinion
anyways the world's Premier rocket
scientist um this is an individual who
uh epitomizes what it means to be a
rocket scientist for the US government
he he could tell you the burn rate of a
first aid solid rocket booster motor he
could tell you the trajectory and
re-entry velocity of let's say a MV
multiple re-entry vehicle coming in from
low earth orbit the guy was just a
wealth of information Skin Walkers at
the Pentagon that's who you're talking
okay yeah yeah and so that's that's
James laty and there were several others
um that were part of this effort and you
know I can happy happy to talk to you
about them but what was Harry Reid's
interaction when he was a kid I don't
know he he never shared that with me but
he did say that he did have something he
he shared that with me and a couple
others yeah got it so their motive is is
it almost personal like look I think
some's going on let's find out let's put
a program here or is it because Harry is
in Nevada right and Area 51 is in Nevada
now the other fellow you're talking
about from Hawaii right and then Glenn
so it's not like everything is Nevada
based did did any of his motives of
wanting to do this because there was
Area 51 in Nevada or no well I think
that the real impetus was the fact that
he was aware there were US military
encounters going on with with these UAP
there's a real national security issue
here right you have these you have these
vehicles let's call them vehicles that
have the ability to to fly unimpeded
unchallenged into controlled us airspace
over sensitive military installations um
and potentially even even interfere with
our nuclear equities our nuclear
capabilities um so there was a there was
a there was a big concern on behalf of
of the government both in the
intelligence community and the
Department of Defense and some cases we
had almost near near air collisions with
these things in fact if you talk to some
of the fighter pilots they'll they'll
relay to you they'll tell you where some
of these vehicles have come so close to
a combat formation that they've actually
split the air formation right down the
middle um so that's close right you're
talking what 15 ft maybe so there was a
air safety issue as well uh um and it
became almost like the worst kept secret
in the Pentagon it was it was H
happening so often uh with especially
with a lot of our nuclear carrier strike
groups that people on the ship were were
literally using their phones to take
pictures and videos of these things so
um something had to be done and I think
from that perspective I can't really
talk much about the Skinwalker Ranch
because my focus was more on the on the
ATP the military piece of aspect of this
um but there was significant amount of
data to suggest that yeah that there's
something there because it's not just
look it's not just eyewitness testimony
right it's not like Grandma seeing some
lights in the backyard we're talking
about trained observers that are trained
to recognize a silhouette at 10 miles
away and determine is it an Su 22 is it
a MIG 25 is it an F-16 and identify
Friend or Foe do I kill it or do I save
it right within a second these this is
how good these Pilots are and they're
top gunt trained like literally people
watch the movie Top Gun well these are
the real Top Gun pilots and not only are
they seeing these these craft that out
out outperform anything that they have
in their inventory but it's also being
further substantiated by gun camera
footage and Fleer footage from a pod
forward looking infrared footage and oh
by the way it's also being cooperated by
radar signature and radar returns from
Airborne radar Seaborn and groundbased
radar system so so you have this this
managerie if you will or this this
collection of sensor capabilities all
reporting the same incident at the same
time at the same location under the same
circumstances right so now put that on
the backdrop of where I come from being
a former special agent in counter intell
in Counter Intelligence if I was
providing this information to a jury for
example we're well beyond Reasonable
Doubt at this point I mean this is the
jury would have to convict because the
information is so compelling I mean
these are the
same collection sensor systems that we
use to prosecute and win Wars and when
you see these these techn technologies
that are coming into our controlled us
airspace and there's really not a darn
thing we can do about it that's a
problem that's a real national security
issue forget about tinf foil hats and
Elvis on the mother ship and all that
other nonsense we're talking a real
National Security imagine if one of
these things had a Russian star on the
tail or a North Korean tail number right
it would be on the front page of every
newspaper but because these things
didn't even have a tail no Rudder no
wings no lons no control surfaces not
even a cockpit it was crickets nobody
wanted to say anything so you can think
about this from a national security
perspective right you go to an airport
today or to a train station you always
hear over the announcements if you see
see something suspicious say something
and yet it was the exact opposite for
our own men and women in uniform in the
military when these things were coming
up close and personal to to their
aircraft or over our facilities nobody
wanted to say anything it was crickets
and so I think there was a recognition
by the Senators at the time that
something had to be done and in fact
it's the same reason now it's the same
impetus why Congress now is involved in
this topic because they're concerned
they've heard from the whistleblowers
they've heard from the pilots they they
they have received some of the briefings
it's real whatever it is it's real that
that that part of the conversation is
already over so you get recruited to
this Advanced Aerospace threat
identification program uh 070 I think o
07 is when it started I think you get
recruit in 08 it was actually early part
of ' 09 okay so I came to the Pentagon
in ' 08 late 08 and it was really right
after that on the so they you came to
Pentagon and then they recruited you and
assigned you to this uh uh they give you
this assignment after recruiting you
from the Pentagon that's kind of how
they met you yeah there was there was a
vetting process nomination and the
vetting process yeah so that I don't I
don't know what their their selection
criteria was I've always thought it was
because early on in my career I did a
lot of advanced Aerospace protection uh
technology protection um I recently
learned that was not the reason why they
just wanted the hard hardcore Counter
Intelligence background and security
background
to make sure that I guess the bad guys
are Russians which strength do you want
more right you need somebody that's
going to be investigating or instead of
just a level of curiosity but okay let's
stay on this so now you're in there okay
you're in you're going through it at
first are you the guy that's always you
know I I heard you say you're not a Star
Wars guys you're not a Star Trek guy you
weren't that guy you weren't the guy
that was a person that thought aliens
and all these guys existed but when
you're going in when was the first
moment where you said oh things
just got real
yeah so it was a conversation with uh
with the director of ASAP uh Dr James
laty this rocket scientist and um I
remember at the end of the conversation
we had we I still didn't tell me what
the program was about and he says so let
me ask you something okay so what do you
think about
UFOs and I waited for a second I thought
said I don't I answered him truthfully I
don't think about him and he's like well
what do you mean you you don't believe
in them and I said well you no you
didn't ask me that you asked me what do
I think about them and I don't think
about them cuz I really don't have the
luxury to think about them I'm too busy
doing you know my my my daily job and
and paying the mortgage and whatnot and
he said well that's fair but you know
let me give you a little piece of advice
here don't let your analytic bias get
the best of you because what you're
going to learn May challenge any
preconceived notions or narratives that
you have and that was my first I mean at
that moment I wasn't sure if he was
trying to like maybe test me to see if I
was like maybe psychologically unstable
um I didn't really respond to it but
that was probably my first real
introduction that hey there there's
there there's something going on here
that they're they're taking very serious
how much longer after you got hired did
they did you have that conversation with
the doc well they threw me into the deep
end of the pool um so it was very
quickly I realized that what he was
saying was absolutely legit now you know
people have always asked me just like
you did what was it like when you first
realized what was actually going on
there's two ways I've noticed people
absorbing this information in my
experience just being part of the
program some have this revelatory aha
moment this this Epiphany oh my gosh you
mean they're real where others it's more
of a slow and steady gradual realization
and acceptance for me I was probably the
the Lotter category um I it got to the
point where it was obvious this wasn't
our technology and we were pretty darn
sure this wasn't adversarial technology
and at that point you're forced to
reconcile
you know any narrative you may have had
before um the the the information was
very very compelling and by the way it
wasn't just me our colleagues as well
and some of these folks are are are what
I would consider intelligence Community
greats the old gray beards you know we
had people for example like Dr kit green
we had people like Hal pudol um Dr Hal
pudol was The Godfather if you will of
the cia's remote viewing program psychic
Espionage he he that was his program um
Dr kit green was in charge of the weird
desk at the CIA all these individuals uh
these Legends in the IC were actually
part of ASAP and ATP it was just Inc
like I said this incredible incredible
group of people I I often joke uh but
not really that when I entered the room
I think the IQ probably dropped about 20
points um these folks were really really
really intelligent some of the best
astrophysicists that we had in the
government were working this topic as
well and um for me it was uh we had a
dinner at the time uh early on with a a
four-star general in Brazil named uchoa
General
uchoa and uh he came to Washington DC
and um provided some very very
compelling information about a Brazilian
investigation Brazilian government
investigation into an incident in a in a
region of Brazil called
kadis uh where he yeah yeah and so uh
very very interesting it it was an
official investigation ation by by the
Brazilian government and what conclusion
did they come up with well the things
were not uh they were not manmade and
they had the ability and capability to
to harm people if if they wanted to and
some of their own people even in the
Brazilian military were injured now for
you uh so you have UAP right and you
have UFOs because we used to hear UFOs
now it's like unidentified okay you know
so
aliens and and you have
uh you know the the separating the two
yourself with your own eyes have you
seen anything where you're a
100% proof for your own self like are
you here's Jesus here's the 12 disciples
they walk with them right and then they
go and tell everybody else look I hung
out with Jesus trust me I saw the stuff
right or I saw the resurrection right oh
my God I was there right so it's still
witness you're not the main source Bo
it's the witness are you at 100% that
both aliens and uaps exist so great
question and I think we need to we need
to for your audience sake pull that
question apart a little bit because it's
not so simple uh it may seem like a
simple answer but it's not and then let
me expl mean it's simple but I want to
hear how you explain it yeah and then
and then if and then let me try to
explain and then and then at the end
I'll I'll give you the simple
explanation So when you say aliens
people think something from out there
okay so I've always told people uh when
they say oh they from outer space they
could be they could be from from outer
space Inner Space or frankly the space
in between so what do we what do we what
do we mean by that this is a wonderfully
complex Universe we live in and we are
realizing new paradigms almost every day
in the world of science so let me give
you a case and point I told you I went
to University of Miami I studied
microbiology and
Immunology there is there are people
scientists right now anthropologists who
believe that modern humans homo sapien
sapien has been around for the last 100
to 200,000 years it wasn't until the
Greeks 2,000 years ago that we actually
recognized the two major life forms on
this planet and you were either a plant
or you were an animal and human beings
fell into that animal category and we
were very proud of ourselves and it
wasn't until the Renaissance or the uh
days of Enlightenment about 300
something years ago where we discovered
a whole new life form on this planet
that we've been sharing all along and
that was the world of fungus and so
again po our cells on the shoulder
you're either plant an animal or your
fungus now it wasn't until the last one
think about this out of 200,000 years of
modern human history uh of being
actually modern humans not human history
uh that it was the last 120 years that
we actually discovered the true the true
dominant life form on this planet in
fact if you add up all the biomass of
every plant and all the biomass of every
animal and all the biomass of every
fungus and add it all up together it
still will not equal the biomass of the
true dominant life form on this planet
and it wasn't until we could curve glass
and look through a little steel tube and
famously shout little beasties little
beasties did we discover the world of
microorganisms that are inside every
single human being that makes us up as
individuals that can survive on the skin
of the ISS space station and can survive
the crushing depths of miles of Ice uh
underneath the Arctic so so plan animal
fungus microorganism right so my point
being is that this is the true dominant
life form that's been on this planet all
along and we just discovered it 120
years ago so is it possible that these
friends from out of town these these UAP
are just as natural to Earth as we are
maybe we're at the point now where
technologically we can start tracking
them maybe they're from under the ocean
look we we've only mapped less than 10%
of the ocean floor we know more about
the surface of the Moon than we know
about our own oceans is it possible
these things could be coming from
underneath the oceans yes that's
possible too so there's a whole so when
we say the word aliens we have to be
careful because people automatically
presume we're talking about things from
out there and we're not really sure if
they really are from out there they
could be from right here there's so many
different possibilities and this is why
in ATP we've always said that all
options have to be on the table until
they're no longer on the table and so
back to your question you know aliens
UFOs have I had seen hard evidence I
have seen hard evidence that there that
there is technology out there that's not
made by us but whether to say that
they're aliens from out there okay let's
start on that though let's start with
that one and then I'll I'll go a little
bit deeper so technology you've seen
that is not made by us okay you've
personally witnessed it you've seen it
right in front of you I've held it in my
hand material okay what was unique about
this technology sure well let's let's
start with Material Science right so
let's take this pen for example I'm in
the desert and I find this pen on the
ground and so I'm going to look at this
I'm going to do a physical analysis
right at the macro level I'm going to
look at it it's hard it's plastic uh
it's kind of cylindrical do some
measurements how much does it way and
then what I'll probably do is go and do
a chemical or molecular analysis where
I'm now going to go and I'm going to see
the actual relationships of the of the
of the molecules themselves and I can
see that there's some stainless steel
maybe some rubber and how it interact
how how they are arranged those
molecules and then what I'm going to do
is say you know this is really unique
enough um I'm going to do a an atomic
analysis I want to look at things like
isotopic ratios which are there's a a
varying degree of isotopic ratios that
are found in nature when you find
that are outside that Spectrum then
they're not natural meaning they've e
been engineered or they're from
somewhere else so case in point uh there
was a little dagger that was found back
when we found toon common um his his
tomb back in the 20s and it was a little
dagger nobody paid much attention to it
until they did did analysis on it and
they realized that the nickel content in
that dagger was not found on Earth it
actually came from an asteroid and
that's why that dagger was so important
why they bared it with King Tut because
it was made from an asteroid so that's
how we can tell if something is made
naturally here on Earth or if it's not
and then you're going to look at the
arrangements of the atoms themselves in
in basically a a lattice type metrix
Matrix how how were the atoms arranged
now keep in mind to arrange atoms very
specifically is a very costly and B
takes a lot of technology and
sophistication to do we only recently
have had that technology to arrange
atoms that accurately right so when you
find a piece of
something and it does not have it's it's
clearly engineered it's got a beveled
Edge it's been manufactured and it's
been put away in it together in a way
that we cannot replicate still right and
then turns out oh by the way this
material comes it was found decades ago
you are then forced to ask the questions
logical questions okay well if we can't
make it we didn't make it who did who
has the technology right so the further
back in time you go the more you realize
no one had that technology so if you
found let's say a garage door opener and
you were mic Da Vinci and you walking in
the dire you find a garage door opener
back in the 1600s um you've never didn't
discover plastic and certainly the
electromagnetic spectrum wasn't even
discovered right so who built it it
doesn't make sense that you're going to
find this material that is so precisely
engineered and you're going to be able
to and by the way some country built it
three decades ago four decades AG five
decades ago um and so that's that's how
that scientific analysis is so important
now let me caveat I did not do the
analysis I am not a trained material
scientist and I'm not a material
engineer but we had people in the
government who were and we had
organizations very reputable
organizations for example let's say
NASA's jet propulsion laboratory right
the best of the best conduct analysis
and when they come back with a big goose
egg and say look man I I can't tell you
where this came from I have no idea but
we we cannot manufacture what's it
capable of doing well that's that's a
great question apparently it can do all
sorts of interesting stuff but we're not
sure yet because it's it's it's part of
something else part of a bigger system
right it's like this pen if I find just
a pen cap of it well it's interesting
and I think I know what it does but
maybe it can do a whole lot of other
things so so we don't know yet
everything it can do we we have some
theories some of the folks that I worked
with at ASAP and a have some very
interesting theories so one is U is
multiple waveform capabilities another
one is um potentially some sort of
anti-g gravitic meaning the ability to
defy the natural effects of Earth's
gravity without the associated
Technologies right there's these are
purely assumptions or is there a reason
based on a certain formula they saw to
say that's capable of doing XY actually
tests so it wasn't it wasn't either it
wasn't it was actually tests that they
did and they said hm this is a very
interesting property if you take this
material and you bombard it with x
terahertz uh of uh of radiation uh
interesting things start to happen which
we didn't do because we don't know what
it's capable of it could even be
explosive right so did we test it out or
um so I cuz you're playing with fire a
little bit no yeah sure any time you
have something that you of Unknown
Origin you have to be careful um just
like this conversation believe it or not
because I I I was cleared by the
Pentagon to talk about uh whatever is in
there is cleared I'm I'm good to talk
about I have to be very careful though
about going beyond that because I don't
have clearance to talk about that I have
not been cleared by the Pentagon I still
just full disclosure I still maintain my
security clearance with the government
uh I still consult from time to time so
they made it very clear to me that I
have to be very careful not to talk
about something that I'm not allowed to
talk about um so again I'm being a
little bit vague on purpose but yes if
you have material let's say this pen you
find in the middle of the desert and you
start finding interesting properties
associated with this pen and by the way
it was made at a time where we couldn't
manufacture pens we didn't have the
technology now you have something very
interesting okay so so now let me ask
this question about So when you say the
the atomic we test it out this way we
test it out that way to see the nuclear
this to see the atomic this and all and
we're like nobody's done it is is this
where the world is aligned where you
ship it out or somebody flies out with
it to Russia to see if the Russian
Engineers know or we fly them in do we
test it out with other allies to say hey
China comeing hey Russia coming cuz this
is the one area everybody around the
world is Unified on absolutely not and
we we should this is the problem this is
why this is the other part of so so then
then then if then if you say it's it's
unidentified object then we don't 100%
know because it may have come from
Russia or China or anywhere else that
maybe out some point their Engineers
figured something out that we just don't
know about that's a great point so let's
let's go down that rabbit for that's
that's wonderful logic and you're you're
absolutely correct to to presume that so
let's let's take that argument for a
second and deconstruct just a little bit
um let's look at where some of this
material its Origins came from so it
came right at at the end of 1940s okay
this is material that to this day we
cannot we cannot replicate so that would
assume that some country out there has
since in the late 1940s early 1950s
which by the way where was China it was
in the middle of a famine where was
Russia well they were barely trying to
develop an atomic bomb we had barely
broken the the speed of sound mach one
and we hadn't been to space yet right so
that means some country had the
technology to build something in total
secret and then deploy that capability
over controlled us airspace and over
censored military installations and has
been doing so for at least 75 years now
if that is the case then this would be
the greatest intelligence failure this
country has ever experienced eclipsing
that of even 9/11 and I don't say that
lightly because 9/11 just happened right
I mean this is we're we're
celebrating yeah we're not celebrating
anything we're unfortunately
memorializing um 23 years you know it
was horrible event um but this would be
even worse than that because that means
despite the billions of dollars that we
invest each year into our intelligence
community and our national security
apparatus and all 17 intelligence
organizations out there someone has
managed to fly under the radar no pun in
intended uh with this technology create
it and deploy it without zero uh
accountability meaning no one knows zero
sponsorship no one knows who's behind
this technology and and so that means
our our country is totally fa we've been
leapfrogged technologically by an
adversary and oh by the way have been
for the last 75 years so that's not a
really good scenario to be in right and
so we invest a lot of money to always
keep a Competitive Edge on our
adversaries we're looking very very
carefully at their new emerging
Technologies whether it's Russian
hypersonics or you know other
Technologies they're working on we know
what they have where do we find this
piece
um I guess I can talk about it so the
material that I have personally held in
my hand uh was acquired by some folks in
the assap program allegedly from a crash
that occurred at Roswell at Roswell y
okay got it so okay so we know where it
came from it's here so here's the other
question for you do you remember when
you know the stories we read about that
Hitler was fascinated with Antarctica so
he's goes out there and then is
investigating what is going on what's
out there we're curious about it then us
sends a bunch of people like wait a
minute we can't get German to figure
something out before we do and then all
of a sudden everybody gets on the same
page when it comes down to anarctica
there's representation that they have
bunch of these countries are
representing what's going on there and
they're very unified for that top right
little bit weird but I can understand it
what do they know that they don't want
the rest of the world to know I don't
know right is the idea of UFOs currently
like that as well like is there a board
where people from around like a world
economic forum is there a board like
that where representative from different
countries that if if a if if aliens from
another country want to attack us it
becomes Earth against everyone else it
doesn't become you know a us or or China
or Russia you're borderless now because
your borders is the space right it does
anything like that exist so you know Rd
Reagan once famously said a very
interesting quote where he talked about
imagine if we all all of a sudden face
with the reality of an of a let's say an
alien threat right right and all of a
sudden how our our petty differences
that we have with one another and our
other countries would probably
completely evaporate overnight all be
solidarity and sing Kumbaya and you know
work together the reality is is that
there were very specific reasons why the
US government did not want to engage on
a convers in a conversation about the
UAP topic and and it makes sense so let
me go into that a little bit and uh see
if this maybe scratches your itch on on
your question so let's look at when the
US government was really interested in
uaps well it really goes all the way
back to the 1950s and all the way
through the 60s and the 70s we had a
Project Blue Book and there are reports
you can see online right now highly
classified documents very classified
that were classified that have since
been Declassified and released through
the Freedom of Information Act process
so now anybody can get online and pull
some of these documents up and you will
see that there have been UAP encounters
over our sensitive military
installations like for example uh a
research center like Oakridge National
Laboratory or Savannah River facility
where we were doing certain things
technologically speaking these UAP have
been seen a lot and have been
investigated continuously by the US
government so
back to back to the issue here uh
regarding regarding UAP and regarding
historical and you asked if there's like
this International group of people at
the height of the Cold War we had this
real threat with the then Soviet Union
right they had nukes we had nukes and we
were playing this this winter takes all
chess game that we called the Cold War
which by the way in reality was pretty
hot there was a lot of proxy wars right
it wasn't cold at all um and so the
generals say to themselves look we've
got this real threat over here yeah
we've got these other things but they're
not really doing anything overly
provocative and there's not a whole lot
we can do about him right now let's just
focus on the Russia threat and then
later on when we have time we can worry
about this other stuff right and then
you have the other mindset in the
government which is our job in the
government is to be solution oriented
it's not a great conversation to have
any government with their people to say
oh look by the way there's something
over here that's you know doing stuff
that we can't replicate and there's
nothing we can do about it right um
that's not a great conversation to have
until you have a solution um so the
Department of Defense and the
intelligence Community being solution
focused don't want to admit there's a
problem until you have a solution case
in point here's a perfect example for
you when we started flying the U2 spy
airplane which was built by locked
Martin skunkworks and commission by the
Central Intelligence Agency we were
flying it over Mainland Russia and uh in
contravention that's right uh in
contravention of the of the treaty that
we had with Russians that we weren't
going to fly reconnaissance missions
over their country now they didn't react
so we thought this plane flew so high
and so fast that the Russians couldn't
see us right cuz Russians didn't do
anything it wasn't until the Russians
were able to develop an sa2 surface tiir
missile and successfully shoot one down
did they ever admit to their people and
the world that they've been watching us
right why admit a problem for there's no
solution it wasn't until the Russians
could actually shoot one down they you
look weak that's right so they've been
saying hey we've been track every one of
your flights but now we can shoot them
down right so that is also part of that
mindset right why and there was some
studies done back in the 60s and 70s
actual real studies for the government
where the government asked the question
look if we're truthful about uaps and we
decide to disclose the truth about UFOs
what would the net result be on the
population and they came back with the
unanimous no don't do it that that the
American population absolutely cannot
have this discussion they cannot handle
the truth it will cause uh who said this
who was a president so it wasn't a
president actually it was a it was a
study done I think it was a ran
corporation that did the study it's a
very famous study and basically said
that the the American people this would
cause um people to to lose faith in
their religions their faith and
confidence in government and it was it
was a um it was basically a definitive
no now there was also what your is this
uh gosh you know there were two studies
so I believe one was in the one for sure
was in the 70s I think one was in the
60s but you can look them up online
they're there and I think Rand
Corporation was one and there was
another one um by the when we're done
with this I I'll get you the actual
details because I don't want to you know
give you incorrect information um so
that's there there's there's that
problem too right so why admit an issue
for which there is no solution which
makes sense especially when you are a
world superpower right you don't want to
look weak exactly like you said and it's
really not that uncommon there are other
examples throughout history where
governments have kept things quiet until
they had a solution for it right now it
turns out that I believe Americans can
handle the truth because we're having a
conversation now you and me and your
audience right and no one's making a run
on the bank and we all realize we have
mortgages to pay and we have to go to
PTA meetings and take the kids to soccer
um and you know if you talk to the
younger generation now they kind of look
at and go me right they have this
reaction where our old generation was
like oh you can't tell anybody and you
know we want to have this active
campaign to actually suppress this
information and make people look like
idiots the newer generation I think is a
lot more open to this topic they have a
I think because of probably because the
the pervasiveness of information now and
the cell phone technology they can
pretty much pull up any information
anywhere in the world instantly and uh
have it translated in whatever language
they want and so I think they're a
little more maybe a little more
accepting and and wise to this would you
consider yourself a whistle L wow
um well I guess it depends who you ask
um if you're asking me
um no I'm a patriot um you know there's
whistleblowers uh come forward when
there is some sort of malfeasance or
problem in the government which I I did
do but I'm not really looking for a
protection like a whistleblower um
reason why I asked that because
everywhere when I saw you being painted
of
uh on the Articles right if I go online
and I type in your name and I type in
whistleblower Rob if you could do that
so Guardian whistleblower who spoke out
on UFO claims Pentagon try
to uh discredit him Lis alandro lodges
complained with defense Inspector
General defense department accused of
disinformation campaign right okay then
I go to the next one Fox News Fox uh
this is 2024 June 2 24 if you want to
pull that up us whistleblower says he's
being threatened as Congressman Warren's
prot protections are a joke yeah Lou
alzando former head of advanced
Aerospace again a tip said he's faced
threats as he pushes for UFO
transparency right and continuously that
those two are linked you're saying
you're not a whistleblower well
whistleblow whistleblowers there's a
legal definition of whistleblower then
there's a vacular so if you want to
actually be a government whistleblower
right it's usually involving fraud waste
and abuse so if you look at the legal
definition of whistleblower it's very
narrowly defined the problem is that in
the vernacular we whistleblower the term
whistleblower is being is used for other
things Beyond just fraud waste and abuse
but from a governmental perspective that
term is very specific for the most part
to relate to some sort of malfeasance or
or fraud waste and abuse and that's why
people are very narrowly defined for
legal protections as a whistleblower now
we as a society consider anybody who's
willing to step forward and and
basically draw attention to something
that's wrong as a whistleblower so
that's why I'm I'm I'm I'm hesitant to
call myself a whistleblower if I don't
fall under the legal definition of a
whistleblower according the US
government but at the same time I'm
doing what a lot of whistleblowers do
does the US government think you're a
whistleblower oh my gosh well I think
some do and I think probably some think
I'm the devil but the US government do
they think you're a whistleblower
because and the reason why I'm asking
this question is I if they think you're
the Whistleblower and you're being uh uh
everywhere Wikipedia whistleblow Fox
whistleblow Guardian whistleblow
everywhere you're painted and written
about if the average person looked you
up they would say this guy's a
whistleblower but if that's the case how
do you still hold on to a secret uh uh
you know clearance how does that happen
um well because I haven't done anything
wrong I haven't broken the law I haven't
leaked information I'm not like Edward
Snowden or anything like that yeah but I
would I find the US government I I if
you truly are somebody that's going out
there and the government's not happy for
you I would cut your secret clearance
overnight I'd be like guys this guy's
going out there talking what makes you
think one day he's not going to get
drunk or have a beer with somebody and
maybe he's sitting with a celebrity and
wants to brag about how much he knows we
got to cut this guy's secret clearance
off why are we keeping them on that why
are they still keeping giving you secret
clearance well first of all if they did
that it's called ret retribution which
is illegal right so so they can't do
that no they can't well they they tried
but you they failed and and there are by
the way I will also say in the
government's defense yeah there's also a
large group of people in the government
that want this conversation to occur
they they look at this topic I agree you
know secrecy has a shelf life some
people think secrecy is like a fine
bottle of wine and the longer you keep a
cork on it the better it gets when in
reality I've told people that secrets
are like vegetables in your refrigerator
and if you keep them there too long they
start to and they stink and now you got
a real big mess on your hands and so
this is very much the same way um I
believe now that there is a there is a
group of individuals in the government
that are are actively wanting this
conversation to occur we certainly know
that's the case in Congress right now so
and this is by the way I think I think
almost historic because it's one of the
few bipartisan issues whether you're a
liberal or conservative that's actually
being championed in Congress by both
sides who doesn't want this conversation
to be had oh wow U there's a few um most
particularly are those who've been
involved in any Legacy efforts regarding
this this this program there's there's
some very specific reasons why you would
not want to have this conversation so
let's let's perfect example your company
a I'm Company B Aerospace company and
the government comes in and says Hey
listen I want you to analyze this piece
of material right now there's supposed
to be fair competition amongst companies
but they give it to you mhm 10 years
later you're not a multi-billion dollar
Aerospace Corporation my company goes
bankrupt 200 people lose their jobs and
oh by the way my shareholders lose their
investment right so now you've got SEC
violations you've got you know unfair
business practices being pushed by the
government certain individuals to
certain companies so there's real
liability real liability there and then
you've got the fact that people in the
government simply didn't do what they
were supposed to do and inform certain
members of Congress this goes back to
your question about what made Harry Reid
so angry because he knew that there were
these secret deals going back and forth
and of all the people in the Senate who
should have known he should have known
and he was deliberately being kept out
of the loop and furthermore you even
have some presidents that were never
briefed into this topic such as well
most of them recently I mean that some
of them now are learning about it after
the fact um some presidents were briefed
into it some presidents were not briefed
into it and so think about that for
example right so let's look at this on
the context of what it means to be an
American right we believe in the
principles of the Constitution because
this is a government for the people and
by the people right and we all agree
that and the government is here to serve
the interests of the people not the
other way around and the government is
comprised of people well imagine a
scenario where you have somebody in the
government making a unilateral decision
not to inform their chain of command not
to inform the president and not to
inform certain people in in Congress why
well because for whatever reason they
look at them as tempor hires so that is
that is what drives me to do what I'm
doing UFOs UAP aside to me it's a matter
of accountability and transparency I
personally believe that Americans can
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in government to make a unilateral
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we're talking about protecting sources
and methods we're talking about
protecting military operations I got it
there's a reason to have things
classified but the mere fact that these
things are real the mere fact that we
may not be alone in the universe no one
no organization institution religion
government has the right to keep that
from people right and where I come from
my father was a revolutionary in Cuba he
was part of the Bay of Pigs invasion
came here with not a dime in his pocket
and my family is in Exile from Cuba
because of that participation and he
told me uh about about two years ago
right before he died I'll share share
something with you um and maybe this
kind of gives you some insight of why I
do what I do um about a month before my
father passed away I had a chance to go
on a nice long road trip with him and I
knew he was dying he didn't tell me he
was but I I could see the signs it was
coming and so about halfway through the
trip I I asked him and I asked him
actually flippantly and I feel kind of
guilty about it I said dad what do you
think is the greatest threat to humanity
and I'm thinking to myself you know
disease pandemic terrorism and he looked
to me and he says son corruption and I
said corruption like like Financial
corruption says no son any corruption
corruption is a mere Act of trading away
one of your core values in exchange for
something else and so whether it's
Financial corruption religious
corruption governmental corruption moral
corruption doesn't matter
and when you do that in government when
you're in a government official and you
are corrupt you begin to Chisel away the
very Foundation of what democracy is and
from there it's a very slippery slope
down to tyranny so my beef with this is
people in the government that have
historically kept this knowledge out of
the channels that it was supposed to be
in in the first place not letting
Congress know what's going on spending
billions of dollars of taxpayer money
and never informing Congress about what
what's going on same thing with the
president and their chain of
command you can't have you're not going
to get rid of corruption until you have
transparency and accountability and you
only have accountability through
transparency so it all starts with
transparency if you want all this to be
fixed you got to be transparent and you
know the government doesn't always like
to do that now I also want to be clear
I'm not villainizing the whole
government I love my country I love my
government and it does a lot of things
really really good I I think this is the
best country in the world but with that
said because of like you I took an oath
to this country to defend it from all
enemies foreign and domestic full stop
and by the way you and I have never been
relieved of that oath I don't know maybe
you have i' they never told me I don't
have to do that anymore so for me it
turns out that part of the enemy was the
bureaucracy itself it wasn't working in
a way that allowed even my my own
secretary defense a guy I was in
Afghanistan with right this guy was
incredible Jim
Mattis the elements in the Pentagon
wouldn't even let me brief him talk
about a need to know right this is a guy
who who who who thrives on more
information not less this is you know
the the warrior monk this is mad dog
this is call sign chaos and even him
they wouldn't be they wouldn't brief on
this topic so that that's a failure of
the system and by the way I don't want
to villainize anyone person because
their reasoning for it I understand I
don't agree with it but but I can
respect it because it makes sense there
were several reasons why they didn't
want the boss to be informed it wasn't
that they were making unilateral
decision saying n you know he doesn't
deserve
it they there were there were some very
specific reasons which again if at some
point you want I'm happy to talk about
those but um who who are they these are
senior officials I I don't want to name
them by name um I'm very careful not to
do because I I don't want first of all
their privacy I want to maintain their
privacy too I've been harassed I've been
threatened on on a regular basis I don't
want that to happen to them so they have
more power than Mattis does well they
don't have more power but they can ex
they are the the proverbial petorian
guards let me let me the question they
have more Intel than Mattis does yes
they have more Intel than Mattis does
when's the last time you and Mattis
spoke oh my gosh uh I bumped him bumped
into him in the hallways of the Pentagon
when he was secretary defense uh I uh
yeah I think I might have injured his
leg at one point by mistake it's a it's
embarrassing story don't know go there
it's
um what happened I was brief God I don't
think I've ever told the story um I was
briefing one of the seniors there um at
in the secretary Suite on believe it or
not on ATP we were having another one of
our weekly briefings on it and uh I said
okay great see you Lou great you know
see you next week fine and as I open up
the door um something hits me like a
brick wall um and I actually get my my
reaction was to be angry like who the
hell has the audacity to be running down
the hall hway of the secretary Suite
like seriously who who's got the who the
hell are you who do you think you are
and the guy just did a face plant and
papers went everywhere and I look down
I'm thinking to myself God you know the
only guy who has even an excuse to do
that would be like the secretary himself
wouldn't that be something and as I look
down it's mtis you're kidding me no and
he looks up at me and you could hear a
pin drop and everybody in the suite was
like I'm like oh my God and he looks at
me he's like
Lou I think I said something think I
said Greenland or Alaska and he's like
huh and I said yes sir if you're
thinking about reassigning me I prefer
Greenland over Alaska um and for like a
week later he would he was there was
these you know he'd be on on CNN and Fox
News and he's going to meet the Chinese
and he's walking with a limp and I'm
like oh my God so he gives me the Vibes
he gives me interesting Vibes of a a
man's man who is you know some of the
greatest quotes about him you know
things he said in war super intellectual
by the way also one of the smartest
absolutely we had him at our event we
had him speak at one of our events
annual convention he is one of five
people on this planet that if they said
put your boots on call me at 4 in the
morning said put your boots on we're
going to war I would do it he is at
barnon he's an incredible human being
I've seen what he can do in the Middle
East I saw what he could do in
Afghanistan the guy is absolutely
everything they say he is and more
what's his level of interest in UFOs and
unidentified objects couldn't tell you
remember I didn't brief him I didn't get
to brief him his his his his tear below
him was briefed on a regular basis but I
left the Pentagon after that I left I
resigned okay so um why is it that the
last few years it's it's almost as if
they want this information to be leak
they want us to talk more about it they
you know you're hearing you know people
getting up there doing hearings uh who
was that one fellow that did the hearing
and you never saw him again and he saw
him and you didn't see him again Dave
grush Dave grush yeah what are your
thoughts on Dave crush he's absolutely
an American hero I I know him personally
I worked with him I had the privilege of
working with him uh he was part of the
UAP task force um Stellar individual and
he is everything he says he is and by
the way he knows a hell of a lot more
but he he can't talk about it um people
were giving him Flack for saying oh you
know it's all secondhand thirdhand
information nope he's got some firsthand
information but he's not allowed to talk
about it the guy really and they you
know they ran this guy through the
ringer within 24 hours of him coming out
and and having this conversation with
the American people and testifying
before Congress uh they tried to do what
they did tried to do to me they tried to
ruin his career and try to ruin his
reputation by saying someone leaked some
medical records about him and just
really nasty stuff um and this is that
part of the retribution that makes a lot
of whistleblowers now that want to come
forward not want to come forward and
this is why Congress is pushing so hard
now for new legislation to protect
people so they can come forward and have
these protected conversations without
worrying about somebody and uncle say
I'm doing something nasty to them what's
the worst thing they can do to you oh
you probably don't want to go there they
can do a lot well aside from the
ultimate but what's the worst thing they
can do to you well that's pretty bad
right I mean that's that's uh you know I
can tell you for Point Blank that I was
I was explained that some of the tactics
and techniques to keep people quiet is
to remind them what happened to the
rosenbergs you know under National
people say oh well the government not
can't can't kill you to protect secret
oh absolutely it can I mean go go to
Area 51 and look at the signs on the on
the uh on the on the chaining fence that
says lethal Force authorized if you
cross over this this line um so yeah
they they can they do have that
authority to do things like that and
people need to be aware of that and when
you're talking National Security
interests and issues you know you got to
pay attention to that that's why I'm
very very careful with with what I say
um you know what happened with the
rosenbergs especially that his wife was
a was a tragedy he was working for the
Russians and and selling Secrets but the
wife was pretty much innocent and
there's a whole story behind that I
won't get into here but look we haven't
if you want to know when people say well
the government's always honest you know
all I got to say is uh Pentagon Papers
Afghanistan withdrawal who says
government's always honest you know well
a lot of people think oh the
government's not going to lie to you and
it's like you know who who actually says
that I think the government has a lowest
trust
score since 1963
two they're the lowest the American
people do not trust the government today
right there it's the lowest score since
uh yeah pre pre Kennedy yeah and there's
a reason for that right because you know
we we tell the American people one thing
and then we find out later on that the
government's lying to you and it was the
same thing with this UAP topic and I
think you know we've we've as a
government we've backed ourselves into a
corner over the
decades and now we're trying to find a
way out and I I I I am for that I I want
constructive dialogue it was up to me I
know there's a lot of people that want
their pound of Flesh and say well we
should you know pitchforks and torches
and whoever was keeping this secret we
need to put him in jail I think the
opposite I think you give him an award
you Pat him on the back say thank you
for your support to National Security
but the time has come for us to change
the conversation and and have disclosure
do you think do you think there's such a
thing as globalists oh sure I do so do
you think uh uh the new world or the
globalist or what CL Schwab is doing do
you think those motives are there well
when you say globalist you know there's
different interpretations of that there
are people who have a global view and
they they they conduct business as such
there's there are no borders so to speak
in in their business model um is there a
secret cabal of people that are trying
to control World governments I don't
know you know that to me is you just say
I don't think so you said I don't know
no I don't know I don't know is it
possible look the problem is i'
this topic already has a lot of stigma
associated with it I've already been
called a conspiracy theorist even though
I'm not you know I'm I'm a scientist my
background to science and I was an
investigator parasite right you said bio
what did you study microbiology
immunology and parasitology the study of
parasites right that's when you were
talking about plant you know man fungus
right uh interesting okay so the reason
why I asked that is because for me when
I call around and I talk to friends I
said so let me ask you what do you think
about grush okay what do you think about
you know Lou alzando what do you think
about this what do you think about
Steven gri what do you think about that
guy what do you think about this guy you
you're doing you're doing your regular
thing to want to do an interview and be
a little bit more prep prepped for
it here's here's what conclusion I come
up with nobody knows what the real
answer is on one end it's like okay when
you when you started talking about this
and your wife I think is you guys being
interviewed by news Nation if I'm not
mistaken and your wife was talking about
the fact that she had to work at Target
at one point oh you guys were living in
a trailer home at one point you know you
got two girls you're trying to do your
thing with your family and kind of have
your life afterwards and you're trying
to do your part as a patriot okay so
that's tough to kind of listen to that
right when your wife is talking about
what happened between the two of you
guys with your life so two you know one
hears this and says no this is real this
is what's going on this is actually
accurate what they're talking about this
is exactly what they you know experience
and witness and they're doing their best
to be great Patriots so we know about it
great three is you know is there a part
of this which is kind of like the you
know forget about the
military-industrial complex forget about
the climate change you know industrial
complex or there's so many industrial
complexes how about the space force
industrial complex this is the one thing
that people don't know a lot about right
so if the government wanted to Gaslight
and find a way to create fear porn for
people to be controlled for the Next
Generation that would be willing to give
permission to the government to come up
with new laws and new ways to control
people this is a great fear porn to use
this is how much how much do people know
about climate change well they're
getting a little bit more and more and
more educated about it where the $30
trillion request by you know uh AOC and
some of our peers I don't know if we're
going to do that you're going to for
what for this much of a temperature it
is what it is right even people on the
left are like no we're not going to do
something like this this is ridiculous
but this one here this is a unique one
because if you really play up the
fantasy of men wanting to believe that
aliens exist they're watching us they're
doing what they're doing you
know you know it's so easy to do cuz
like look the planet is so big here's
what we found there's another living you
know such and such and here's what's
going on and they're watching us and
this is why we need real money and we
need to get us and everybody else to
come together this is becoming a world
issue because if they attack us so then
one will be like that's right we have to
become globalists and we have to make
this a you know borderless society and
all this other stuff if that 5% chance
that that's the case oh my God this is
one of the best fear porns it can use
because the ultimate last one is what
it's real there's aliens and by the way
I come from the school of thought of you
know the math we had David uh uh uh
David
Kipling on Rob how long ago was that
three weeks three weeks ago right and
he's built you know he's going to see
this uh you know telescope that he's
going to you know they're doing what
they're doing I ask him hey what do you
think exists out there you think there's
something out there I believe we have
the math to say we don't know so 95 98
99 99% of the stuff we don't know what's
out there what makes you think you know
that it doesn't exist you have to put
the percentage of saying there's very
high likelihood that maybe some does
exist maybe there is life out there
maybe there is aliens out there maybe
there is all of that stuff out there
right okay great but my God this will be
the ultimate fear B porn space force you
know industrial complex to get funding
to give more money more taxes because
God forbid if something happens I think
many of the big governments with social
media need the next big thing that they
can control people with this is
definitely qualifies as a pretty good
candidate well Russia and China have
already admitted they have their own UAP
program um and countries in South
America for decades um their governments
have already acknowledged government
sponsored UAP UFO programs so I I it it
would be really hard for me because when
we say fear porn I I think of well what
scares me more than that is you know
Russian space capabilities I'm not going
to get into them here but that to me is
going to bring a lot more money than a
UAP program the UAP program we have
right now is is wul unfunded
compared to other capabilities that we
have and also let's look at it this way
you have former Director of National
Intelligence Ratcliffe you have former
director of CIA Brennan and even a
former president of the United States
all coming out and saying yeah there's
something to this yep we got to take
this seriously right um and it's on both
sides it's both Democrat and Republican
so I I I don't think you're ever going
to get a
consensus on both sides to manipulate or
deceive the American people I I I think
that is just I think it's a bridge too
far you would have to be you would have
to exercise such control and hope that
nothing nothing goes wrong to execute a
disinformation campaign like that it
would almost be mind-boggling the amount
of
coordination uh and and and conspiracy
um I and when you look at historically
that we have the reports going back to
the 50s of these things doing 13,000
milph we had just broken the the the
Mach 1 speed of sound and the things
doing 13,000 milph in low earth
atmosphere on radar multiple Radars
tracks we see it um that means we we
started this campaign what 60 70 years
ago that doesn't make sense plus you
have people that that see we have them
on gun camera footage it's not it's not
fake foot is just real right so um I I
just I I I can't subscribe to that now
is it possible look anything's possible
absolutely it's certainly possible you
can't say it is impossible but the
likelihood is I think
is so so unlikely I think it's um
preposterously unlikely that that would
be the case um I just I just don't see
it I don't see how you could coordinate
something like that yeah I just think
like you know
again the government many of them the
people that don't even have the ones
that have more Intel than Mattis and
don't want to tell Mattis
everything they they look at the people
as kids right it's like it's kids they
don't know what they're doing like even
parents in a in a household you got two
kids age got four kids kind of like
listen hey
my nanny she's pretty much the kid's
Grandma cuz she's been in our house for
15 years but uh she would say you better
eat this food or else coyot is coming
coyot is coming there is no coyot coming
we live on an island there is no coyotes
coming right so coyot is coming coyotes
come oh my God coyotes are coming right
and like um but it works but it doesn't
doesn't work at 12 doesn't work at 10
but at 10: or 12 daddy's coming still
works right right but it doesn't work at
18 cuz you're out you're in college who
gives a right so then you have to
come up with you know hey you better do
this or else you know Armenians would
say if you don't finish your plate and
clean it up your wife's going to be ugly
who the hell says something like that
but it's so effective what man wants
their wife to be ugly so guess what you
eat and clean up your entire plate what
an effective way to do it so I know this
is funny but the government looks at
people and says you guys are idiots you
guys are so dumb and naive it's so easy
to control you guys so so this is the
problem I have exactly what you're
saying this is the issue with this not
just this topic anything else where
somebody in government is making a
unilateral decision not to inform the
American people because they can't be
trusted or because they can't handle the
truth or any nonsense like that that's
you that's the nail on the head that is
what drives me to do what I'm doing
because of that type of behavior by
certain people in our government and by
the way it's not everybody there's a lot
of really good Patriots in there men and
women in uniform that that have
literally in some cases died for this
nation so I don't want to you know with
a broad stroke paint
everybody the same color on the pallet
but we've got a problem and we can see
it all the time look there was this one
Congress person there who had what half
a billion dollars in gold from
corruption that he's been sucking away
for how many years and they've been
trying to go after him over and over and
over again I mean we've got a problem
and and the pro and and for me is is
this the reason why they get away with
it because a government is our
government is so successful our country
and it's so rich that a couple corrupt
people can be corrupt and the system
doesn't get affected that much because
it's there's so much wealth the problem
is when more and more and more people do
it you reach a critical mass and then
now the plane is too heavy to fly then
you start coming down an altitude and
eventually you hit the ground so your
point that you're making right now is
exactly what drives me this is exactly
my why I do what I do yeah but but you
know there's a part of it you have to
ask both questions are the people naive
are they dumb can they handle it can
they not handle you got to ask both
sides right because sometimes with kids
can the kids handle everything should
they know everything you know my dad
used to say don't argue in front the
kids because kids shouldn't worry about
the future at 8 years old 6 years old
and you know my mom and dad would argue
and like no we have to argue privately
not publicly right some of the things I
can see that they need to be doing their
day-to-day stuff because if they worry
too much they may not go in and get
things done but I also don't think that
keeping stuff away from a Mur president
and all that stuff by the way do you
think we landed on the moon I do you do
I'm pretty sure of it you're not 100% of
it well again there's always room for
error right but but what I've seen um I
so I I have an unfair Advantage I have
family that were actually part of of the
development and early development of the
Apollo missions and there's you know I
I've I've got original photographs from
NASA uh back from the 19 early 70s that
were taken from those missions
so I'm a little bit unfair to ask me
simply because you know I've seen the
compelling evidence that suggests yes we
were absolutely on the moon but can I
say conclusive no I wasn't on the moon
have you watched a movie Fly Me to the
Moon I have not but I am aware I am
aware of it and I know that there's some
pretty interesting stuff in there
conclusions that show that maybe you
know some folks think some of that stuff
was fake I mean do you think the
government funds movies of course they
do okay so this qualifies for a movie
that the government would fund because
whatever you do do you have a
flight are you flying back home or you
you okay can you make this the movie to
watch on your phone or the iPad sure I
just want to get your thoughts on this
because can you just go to the Wikipedia
I don't even know sure what they say I
just want to know how they paint this
movie as okay let's I want to read the
plot okay go up a little bit just to
read the plot okay in the 1968
advertising executive Kelly Jones is
offered a high stakes job by Mo burkus a
covert government operating working for
president Richard Nixon he tasks her
with the revitalizing NASA's Public
Image amidst wanting interest in the
Space Race under threat of being exposed
for a deceptive pass Kelly reluctantly
agrees and moves to Coco Beach Florida
with her loyal assistant Ruby upon
arriving Kelly encounters Cole Davis the
series and principal launch director at
Kennedy Space Center they immediately
Clash over Kelly's unconventional
methods to boost NASA's a public appeal
including corporate sponsorships and
hireing actors to portray scientists
despite their differences they begin to
develop a mutual respect and attraction
as NASA prepares for his historic Apollo
11 Mission Kelly suggests broadcasting a
moon landing using a television camera
on the Lun lunar Excursion model a
proposal cold dismisses as impractical
however most secret endorses the IDE and
reveals an additional shadowy directive
to Kelly she must prepare a fake moon
landing to be aired if the real Mission
fails a project condemn code named uh
emis Mo pressures Kelly into creating
this uh falsification by threatening to
expose her less than honest past as she
has skillfully reinvented herself being
skilled at her job she arranges that a
very talented but virtually unknown
director come on board finding the most
isolated airplane hanger on the base if
it is heavily guarded everyone involved
is sworn into secrecy it's a fre it's a
true story so you mean they make a
movie to say the fact that the real
Mission made it and if it didn't the one
right next to it because a cat walked to
the the you know
moonlanding and God forbid if they would
have used it it would have shown that
there's a cat on the moon okay this the
story what they're pitching I walked out
of this movie we watched this in the
Hampton with like 20 of us family
friends we were there for Christmas we
were there for summer and I said hey man
if this was the government's job of
trying to convince us that the con you
know theory that they would the moon
landing was fake you just screwed
everybody up this is not a movie the
government wants people to watch okay
and they it's like it's Scarlett
Johansson and chanik Tatum aren't it so
I don't know man I was I was 6040 we
landed after this I was like I don't
know this is 3070 I don't think we did
well look there is a history of our
intelligence Community yeah using
Hollywood to do certain things um you
know there was a there was a a movie not
too long ago about the Iranian hostage
situation where television crew went in
which was actually I guess co-sponsored
by real CIA operatives you talking about
Argo that's right yeah that's right and
so um you know we we do have a history
of of using the media
um in fact we're still doing it it was
part of the campaign initially when I
first came out to try to discredit me
there were there are people in the media
right now that uh are are being used by
certain elements in the government and
in the Pentagon to put out
disinformation and that is a fact that
is absolutely true and unfortunately you
even see it with you know your own
Wikipedia right now but look Wikipedia
is just a bunch of editors and some of
these folks can put all sorts of stuff
up there and um you know it's it's not
always accurate it's interesting you
bring this up because my dad's sister
Ellen was at the embassy when this
happened when the revolution happened
she was at the embassy trying to escape
and my Dad pulled up with the so when we
watch Argo some of the people that play
they're playing my aunt my dad's sister
who very weird you brought this up she
passed away yesterday oh so it's my
dad's last sibling that uh uh didn't
make it yesterday God bless her soul my
dad's in a lot of pain but uh yeah Argo
was a movie we watch that uh you know it
it's uh when you watch it it's Iran the
whole yay we're going to make this movie
and we're doing this and we're doing
that I'm finding a way to get rid of
some of the people but yeah I I don't
know when I watch this movie and I watch
some of the stuff that's being said and
some of the stories and the punching in
the face will put your hand on the Bible
that we landed on the moon boom there a
lot of weird things with that part let's
yeah did you ever read that book um um
maybe if you didn't we can just move on
did you ever read the book who built the
moon I did not okay it's interesting I
thought maybe a guy like you by the way
on on another topic here I'm just
curious to know now where you're wired
and what some of your beliefs are
careful I'm want to see what you're
going to say 911 what do you think
happened with 911 well you know people
will say it it was a terrorist attack
but the real failure um was our fault we
we had information within the CIA and
information with the FBI and information
within the dod and we weren't sharing it
with one another 9/11 happened because
we didn't do our job we we we had enough
information potentially to stop those
attacks uh and and because of these
these proverbial rice bowls if you will
these little little foms within the
government um no one wanted to share
information with one another you know a
very a very good friend of mine named
Chris melon from the from the famous
melon family right so Carnegie melon and
melon Bank melon University right he uh
incredible intellect you should have him
on your show he's incredibly brilant he
worked on the senior staff for in the
Senate then became a senior intelligence
official for the Department of Defense
he said the reason why we won the Cold
War wasn't because we kept better
Secrets okay Russians did that we knew
how to move information around more
efficiently and faster so it wasn't that
we kept information more classified we
knew how to use it and get it to the
right people to do something with it and
911 happened because we forgot that we
forgot we got we we started getting back
into our ways of this is my information
and I'm going to keep it to myself and
need to know and this is why there was a
pendulum swing the opposite right after
911 from need to know with
responsibility to provide and
unfortunately that pendulum swing so far
that it allowed you know unfortunately
people like Snowden and and uh Manning
private Manning um to to Le classified
information because it made it too easy
right so then now the pendulum kind of
swings back towards the middle now it's
just need to know with responsibility to
Prov and it's kind of this you have to
balance both out but um that was right
after 911 so I think what happened with
9/11 is that we failed as a government
to to work with one
another yeah so building seven what they
say the explosive that stuff you don't
subscribe to any of that I don't I I I I
think you know I worked with the
original uh name was John Lipa the first
FBI special agent he did the I think the
original 93 investigation when the first
when they tried to blow up the tower the
first time time with a A Car Bomb in the
basement uh and uh he was um he was a
special agent in charge for the FBI and
um I met him in Denver and you know it
was clear to me that this was a symbolic
Target for a very long time it wasn't
just I mean they've been looking for a
while to to make the World Trade Center
a target a terrorist Target um and so I
I I don't really subscribe to any type
of of anything other than that this was
a successful terrorist attack
unfortunately yeah we had this guy on
the podcast a couple years ago his name
was Richard Gage and he was part of the
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth
I think it's like 3,000 of them some big
number wasn't a small number the
interview was taken down and week later
4 days later they took down the
interview not sure why but they took
down the interview and we were pushing
back and he was saying this is what
happened and they just YouTube didn't
want that to stay up it was taken down
so okay let me ask ask you another
question Steven greo what are your
thoughts on Steven greo I don't know him
so um I don't I don't ever usually have
an opinion on anybody I never talk about
anybody if I haven't had a chance to
meet them personally so I had them on
for the second time two months ago and
are you familiar with Shawn Ryan
podcaster Shan Ryan he had Greer on Rob
can you pull up that one clip because
this is this is the part where it's kind
of like you know I think I'm aware of it
I know the one you're going to show yeah
I there's a couple of them I want to
show this one here to you I want to see
what you're going to say about it go
ahead when you're talking about these
disinformation agents these KNX mhm I
have somebody that comes to mind and uh
we were talking about him at lunch Lou
alzando MH is he one of them oh of
course I mean you know as soon as he
emerged on the stage I had a very senior
guy CIA who's worked this issue since
1979 uh contact me about that problem um
but remember uh
the only way that you can control at
this point all this coming out because
of what we have and what we're pushing
forward through
media uh is to control the narrative the
spin so the people coming forward who
get an all acccess pass on to say 60
Minutes or something like that are
people cleared by the same illegal
corrupt organization because they'll
tell the public yes the uaps are real
but we don't know what they are well
this is an absolute lie we absolutely
know what they are some of them are ours
man-made and are confused quite
frequently with the others which are of
extr testal origin or etvs extr testal
vehicles and those uh operatives are are
taught very well to take an issue grab
it capture it and then spin it in the
direction that they want now the
direction they want is endless ambiguity
gee we don't know what they are we don't
know what they are it's nonsense we've
proven what they are well you know I
have 755 whistleblowers you have 755
whistleblowers I mean it's this archive
is unbelievable you you would mention
that you what do you think about what he
says because well where are the where
are the whistleblowers and I'll tell you
if isn't he the same guy they wrote an
article about for not mistaken who
apparently was accused of taking people
on a tour and then paying some dude
like 500 bucks to drop flares out of a
Cessna uh I am I is that the same guy I
I don't know that I think there was a an
article um you can uh I think it was it
was done by the debrief I think anyways
you know my my mom always told me if I
have nothing kind to say don't say it at
all so um I've never met the man um but
you know it look it's nonsense I don't
know the tell man I mean wait look where
are the whistleblowers you know when I
went to the IG you know and had my
conversation I didn't see any of them
you know I know the ones that we talk to
we go to Congress and we talk to
Congress I haven't seen
him the one you're talking about uh
that's it like to suggest that he is a
regular contact with ex can kind in
person a documented close en counters
Close Encounters of the fifth kind but
is really contact with them uh well the
uh US military I'm very confident UFOs
are unknowns not belonging to China the
us or Russia he said I'm not of these
objects uh with career scene um tuition
fee week long tuition for 2500 bucks or
3500 bucks back in January 27 when Greer
uh Expedition uh claimed to have
summoned two UFOs the video of sightings
was posted G's YouTube channel and this
was first close listed on the
photographic and the video evidence but
where's the one with the
flares um go little low Rob to see if
you find it night
Scopes just uh contr f
flers so I'm looking for night Scopes
there's no smoke there's no Trails there
are no flares he continues they're
falling they're waiting for us to arrive
few seconds later Greer employers glet
wel come and begins a join us into
meditation this a beautiful color you'll
see you'll never forget the color this
is huge yes this is major event at 3
minutes and 32 second Mark the first
light disappears ignoring the light slow
but obvious altitude declin scre states
that they've uh have stayed pretty much
the same altitude though let's invite
them to come to us close and oh that's
gone into the ocean ker includes now the
way that you know that's not like
something like a
flare so shoot up but were these UFOs or
were they something terrestrial well
keep keep reading it's pretty compelling
Flight Aware fight of flight tracking
data attained at Washington exam
suggested that later is true at 9:11
p.m. January 27 Beach 76 uh Duchess
registered n110 suu was recording flying
at 85 miles off Vero Beach this is lower
than aircraft normal cruising speed
would feasibly allow the air crew to
deploy parachute flares or some other
illumination device the aircraft took
off and returned to the airport and Fort
Pierce the screenshots below showed the
aircraft's location at the time of the
event the owner of the aircraft is
listed by Federal Aviation
Administration as re Ben Aviator
Incorporated so for Pierce when I reshet
The Aviator in phon maintenance re told
me that the college never does things
like dropping flares after sending a
spear a copy of the flight record he did
not respond to any further emails
incidentally another aircraft lari was
forced to land on Section Interstate 95
on Florida on January 30th 2017 after
running out of fuel CNN has also
reported that Ari received a loan of
between 300 $50,000 or million dollars
under the federal government's
coronavirus relief got it okay so so
what's your point with this you're
saying that some of the stuff that he's
doing by the way is that the video can
we see it Rob can you just play that I
just want to see what it looks
like can you go to the flare
part orange orange object look how Beau
oh my God W just don't don't pop too
muche Crouch down and look cuz we'll
block our
cameras those are elimination FL those
behind me may move and stand up cuz well
what is he saying they are you see that
color I don't know I don't I don't pay
attention I don't like I don't know I
don't know the gentleman so I don't
invest any okay so the so to me though
where I go with this is I had them on
twice and I listen to by I don't know if
you watched the documentary he did about
the invention secrecy Act of
1951 no I I don't I don't watches
material in your world who is Steven
greel or types like him in your world in
a military how does how do folks look at
someone like Sten we don't deal with
them atip was only focused on Military
encounters and so you know as a civilian
I I've never met him I don't know much
about him and you know I've never worked
with a guy um I'm aware of his feelings
towards me he's certainly entitled to
whatever feelings he wants but you know
proof is in the pudding you know we we
we got video released we've got Congress
involved we've got an arrow now an
organization that's been established
we've got uh whistleblowers coming out
you know I I don't know what to tell you
you know people are free in this country
to do what they want listen to who they
want it is a free country and I
encourage people to get all sides of the
narrative I will never tell anybody
don't talk to somebody go ahead you want
to be my guest yeah you see that's the
part that's the part for me where as a
viewer you sit there me or anybody else
that's watching us you're like oh
who the hell do I believe do I believe
the pre free market private somebody
doing independent work do I trust the
government that for many years theyve
lied to me and you don't believe anybody
you believe the data this is the problem
when anybody gets up there and says
believe only me that's a problem you
don't hear me saying that I agree you
that I agree what I what I think it
doesn't matter what Lou alzando thinks
what matters is what you think here's
the data my job is simple here's the
data you figure it out yourself what it
means to you I'm not going to sit here
and tell you some weave some little
narrative about you know history look
here's the bottom line you can analyze
it yourself there it is you figure it
out right so these are the facts behind
it XYZ here's the videos here's Fleer
footage here's a Telemetry here's the
studying the analysis that's been done
here's the radar returns here's the
eyewitnesses what else you want that's
up to you at that point you know that's
the problem I have with a lot of people
out there who prescribe narratives right
like oh this person's a disinformation
agent do you even know what that means
have you ever held a security clear have
you ever youve never been in any
meetings I've been in you know so this
is my my my trouble I have with people
and this is why when people ask me my
opinion I don't really like to share it
because I've learned one thing in the
intelligence Community you can be
absolutely sure of something and still
be absolutely wrong and that's important
because I know my own limitations I'm
the first person to say and say sayy Lou
what do you think about this you know
what it doesn't matter what I think what
matters what you think here here's the
data and then you figure out what this
means to you because this topic is a lot
more like you know people talking about
all the military-industrial complex and
they're trying to look I don't want it I
don't want it a general telling me how
to feel about this topic if it's
national security issue great if you're
going to tell me how we're going to stop
these things from interfering with our
nukes or how to stop them from coming
over our sensitive military
installations great but this
conversation is much bigger it's a
conversation that involves both the the
psychology and the so sociology and the
Theology and the philosophy of human
beings and maybe this conversation is
better off talking to your priest or
your imom or your your Rabbi right or
maybe your your your your family around
the table I don't want some two three or
three star general telling me what I
should think about this this is why I
think transparency is so important
because who's the two three star general
no I'm being I'm just being what I'm
doing I'm kind of giving you uh a
hypothal hypothetical right that there's
someone in in in the Pentagon in the
government say well people always say
well how should we feel about this don't
ask that question that's a s that's
sacred don't just give it away easily to
somebody
fig that you're going engage your brain
you're going that matter there but
you'll be better off trust me don't
allow don't be so quick to give up your
ability to think and that's my concern
by the way this is not directed towards
you this is this is my argument when
people ask me my opinion you know as
tempting as it is to tell you my opinion
of course I have an opinion but at the
end of the day it doesn't really matter
does it what matters is what does the
facts say and then follow the facts
follow the data that's how you get to a
conclusion well you know the challenge
is also when when you have people from
the government who let's just say they
have Intel and uh um I remember one time
I was part of a group called vistage I
don't know if you're familiar with
vistage vistage is like the biggest CEO
networking group they got 15,000 members
and there's a chair and each vistage
group has like eight people in a group
from eight different Industries anyways
and I was part of one and every month
you're supposed to host it at your
office so one day I'm hosting it at my
office at Warner Senator Marriott
keynote speaker was one of the former
directors of CIA or Deputy directors of
CIA um we're talking
2012 11 timeline like that I'm not even
creating content out of time I'm just a
business guy so he comes in like hey you
know today's guest is such and such
we're like so what happened with
this well I can tell you this but I
can't tell you all because it's
classified how about this it's
classified how about this it's
classified how about this hour was gone
I'm like the what was the purpose
of dision everything I didn't learn
nothing so part sometimes when you're
dealing with the guys from from who are
working for the government everything
eventually hits the wall because they
say well that's classified well that's
classified that's classified great point
but you know here here's here's the
problem people don't realize there's
laws out there right you classify
something to protect sources and methods
it is illegal to classify information to
cover up malfeasant or or to save
embarrassment to the United States
government it's illegal it's un writing
and yet that's what happens and most
people don't even is it really it is ex
absolutely in fact what is it what is it
called by the way the bra did you know
that so type in type in this uh DOD
directive type in DOD
directive and then type in um classify
classification probably classification
system or classification guidelines
classification
guidelines yep now pull up that DOD
directive the instruction on developing
security that might be it uh What's the
title of that I have that terrible eyes
security there you go guys so if you
scroll down a bit you will see in there
where it says you cannot classify
information for the reasons of so keep
going keep going keep going let's see
here procedures okay demonstrating
change above keep going uh keep going
there we go so let's see here consider
related determine the state of the St
when to declassify classification
decisions there you go so go to page
nine sorry guys in the infinite W I'm
actually so interested in this I can't
even tell okay so class decisions either
originally deriv blah blah blah keep
going scrolling
down uh okay keep going down these are
the things that we classify keep going
down uh getting close
um a little bit too far uh let me see
determ the specifics there is a
paragraph in here that says uh type in
in the search word embarrassment and
it'll probably pull up right to it to
the one of the
prohibitions well my eyes are
terrible what it's not allowing you to
search yeah not in the actual document
because it's a PDF oh shoot okay so if
you find you do word search Rob send
that link to me if you can do me what is
the what is the search called and
there's also a dodci o uh directive as
well that talks about uh you can't
classify information spe you know I
actually had a link on my phone dog on
it embarrass me all right let me see if
I find oh there you go I found it
excellent there it is so in no case
shall information be classified in order
to conceal violations of law
inefficiency or administrative error to
prevent embarrassment to person
organization or agency to restrain
competition or to prevent or delay the
release information that does not
require protection
in the interest of there you go so then
let me ask you though how many times do
they do it okay welcome to my world this
is exactly my point right so American
American people have no idea this goes
on all the time this is why I'm doing
what I'm doing this is exactly the
reason why because people are making a
unilateral decision to abuse that
process simply for covering up something
that they don't want the American people
to know Rob can you search EX actly
those words I just that's it right there
right can you zoom in a little bit so
the audience can see it zoom in that
that's it right there so section 16
limitations on classifications okay so
so then this is what this does to me L
it makes me
think a lot of the stuff that the
government how many of these things that
the government is hiding like for
example do you think the government
isn't embarrassed on the fact that they
know who assassinated johnf k so if
that's the case doesn't this qualify on
that same guideline that because of the
lack of the embarrassing uh job that was
done to protect and them being involved
they're so embarrassed that they don't
want to leak with it doesn't that
qualify under this well it depends if if
that is the real reason yes it
absolutely does qualify now if there's a
reason because maybe there was a foreign
asset that we were using as a spy to
collect certain information we're trying
to protect that source that is
protection of sources and methods which
one outweighs which one well you always
have to protect sources and method
National Security always
outweighs anything else so they can
always use that card yes that's the
problem right so you can always say
something like well we're protecting
sources and methods right so for example
a lot of the videos people want to see
because there's some really good videos
that the government has the government
says well we're not going to release
those because we're trying to protect
sources of methods because the way the
camera was and where we were flying over
that's the part where that's the part
where civilians I'm a civilian now I
since 1999 right I'm I'm not in the
service this is why civilians get so
annoyed with these types of methods
where eventually you're like look man am
I going to ever find out about what
happened here well no we can't you know
expose our source that gave us this
information and because of that da da da
da and so where guys like Steven Greer
and all the other ones on the private
free market that go and try to do it on
their own and they bring all these other
whistleblowers and whatever they want to
call it that they find
they're they do it independently because
these guys are not telling us
anyways every time they're going to be
like I can't tell you I can't tell you I
can't tell you well at least on this
side these guys are trying to recruit
whistleblowers that are going to come
out and say certain things yeah no doubt
that that there's there's like
organizations like muon they do a good
job there's organizations out there
private organizations uh Mutual UFO
Network um independent independent
they're civilian organization highly
credible well some are some you know an
organization is only as good as the
people in it right just like a
government or anything else or a company
so you've got some people that are
really good they have some really good
investigators and they collect a lot of
information from average private
citizens right and that can be
cooperated and you can look at law
enforcement date and say actually you
know what there were three reports of
people calling in at 11:00 at night of a
UFO you know and so that they do a
really good job with that and I do think
you're absolutely right there's there's
always a need for the private Community
to be part of this this
conversation um there are you there's
also give you a perect perfect Cas point
right now I'm working with some
attorneys um some of their names I can
say um some of them are still a little
bit sensitive about it but these are
private citizens working to try to
protect whistleblowers so there's an
organization right now Danny shean has
one organization uh called the new
paradigm Institute um I have several
attorneys with me one uh is named uh I
they call the bull Ivan Ivan hanel uh
he's got a team of lawyers working with
him um trying to figure out how do we
how do we protect people who want to
come out of the Shadows that may have
been working these Legacy programs and
get them the protection they need so
they can have the conversation with
Congress so they can have the
conversation with the American people
maybe through uh like we saw with David
grush right maybe a public hearing or
something like that he's your lawyer So
Daniel shean is do you know do you know
his background let me give you isn't he
also Steven Greer's lawyer he is Ste he
was Steven Greer's lawyer um he he he is
very much involved in this topic he has
a a program called uh new paradigm
Institute where they are looking to uh
create a Grassroots effort and U there's
another one called uh uh UAP disclosure
fund which uh I'm on the board which I
which I help um give them some advice
and assistance once in a while to help
try to give people the protections they
need to come out another one like I said
is the U yep that's so that's an
organization very interesting also
bipartisan so you have uh independent
private non-governmental correct okay
correct so so look who does a better job
by the way there's no such thing as
better they're different they're
different Focus areas right it's like to
say what tastes better wine or beer well
depends what mood you're in well the
reason why I asked the question is
because like you know
um who does a better job pmc's are
actual US Government right military okay
would I rather have private military
contractors or would I rather have army
marines Air Force Navy you know where
the government taxes are being used to
train the next level there are certain
things that you may say or make an
argument of they do better okay UPS uh
private not even close right I'd much
rather do private FedEx DHL then go
trust the other way right in this
specific topic when it comes on to the
level of curiosity with uaps so who's
historically done better so let me great
again great question and there's it's
it's not either or okay it's not a
binary solution it's not like they do
better or they do better it's not it's
two different Focus areas let me give
you an example you muon for example that
organization they are across the country
in every state they've got investigators
and they can go out if there is some
sort of UFO sighting and they can be
boots on the ground within usually about
an hour or two right so they can canvas
a huge wide area the US
military we're around military bases
they're not going to go ahead and just
cut off some folks from you know Air
Force Special police or you know Army C
or MPS to go into the middle of downtown
Detroit and start interviewing civilians
they don't even have the authority to do
that right they're title 10 authorities
so they don't have those authorities to
even do that they can only focus on the
military equities military contractors
military civilians Etc so it's not that
one is better than the other in fact
some of the people for example in muant
are former military investigators
themselves so they have all the same
training as guys like me have right but
they're civilians now the problem is
they don't have security clearances
necessarily so they're not going to get
the super classified sensor data off a
certain collection platform that we may
be flying in a denied territory right
where we happen to see a UAP in full for
you know 4 HD you know 4K HD they're not
going to have that because that
organization doesn't have the
capabilities they don't have the ability
to task platforms they don't have the
authorities and they don't have the
security clearance so it's apples and
oranges you can't say one is better than
the other what you can say is some have
the ability to do some things where
others have the ability to do something
else it's not really a a one forone is
it competitive or no no actually I think
it's pretty symbi now especially with
with the way the organization's going
it's starting to get collaborative I
like that which is great yeah which is
great not you have the National Archives
now there's a law that was passed just
recently last year that requires all
agencies federal agencies that have UAP
information to submit it to National
Archives Nara now think about that now
we've got a single belly button right
unlike 911 where CIA and FBI and DOD all
had their little pockets of information
and nobody was sharing now you've got a
central repository in law that says you
will CIA FBI DOD and everybody else Dia
NGA nro you name it if you've got UAP
information you will eventually submit
it to Nara to the National Archives
right and there it shall stay and so and
there's also downgrading instructions
for classif classified information so
the American people will eventually be
able to get access to it right so it's
beginning to work I know it's
frustrating for a lot of people you know
that they they they want their they want
their disclosure now damn it and I get
it but I've told people look disclosure
is a process it's not an event this is
this is a marathon it's not a Sprint and
we have come farther I think in the last
seven years than we have in the last 70
years so it's working and guess what no
one had to go to jail I didn't have to
go to to jail for breaking my security
oath Congress is now engaged you now
have an organization executive branch
you now have for example uh former
president Donald Trump saying for the
record if he were to get elected he
would actually consider releasing the
UFO files right that Holy Smokes you
have a president saying that for the
record just last week so we've come so
far in this conversation and you know I
I hate this conversation to be about
personalities you know there's an old
saying that that I'll say it in reverse
but you know
great minds think about ideas good Minds
strong minds think about things and weak
Minds you know think or talk about
people
um I think this topic is more important
than any personality way more important
than me I'm I am just a mechanism to
have the conversation I always tell
people what do you think don't ask me
that doesn't matter what I think what
matters is what you think the people
that's what matters our job here is the
data you figured out what this means to
you and if it means nothing great you
know but at least you've had the
opportunity to see it for yourself um
the problem with this community that
people call the UAP or UFO Community
it's full of personalities that
desperately seek attention whether they
want to tear somebody down or they want
to pretend that you know they're the
next Messiah and that's dangerous to the
conversation because that stigmatizes
that's the very that is the very reason
why people in the past didn't really
take this topic very seriously because
you had this weird collection of egos
all vying for attention trying to to
somehow stake their claim to being you
know the one who has the answer when no
one has the answer nobody has the answer
I don't have the answer all we have is
the data and that's why this topic is so
important because we need more data get
that data in front of the right people
take it out of the dod bring it to
Academia bring it to the science
community and let those people figure
this out who's holding back and what
what will it take what decision what one
person can say let's let's do that well
I don't think one person can you have
you have to have the legislative branch
create laws requiring things like
they're doing now with Nara they have a
new law that's that's hopefully going to
pass uh for this year part of the
National Defense authorization act the
ndaa um so you know it's kind of a
string of laws that have to be passed
you have to have an executive branch
that's willing to have the conversation
and set up the organizations and give
them the authorities they need to
actually do the job they were set up to
do right and then you need people that
are willing to have the conversation
with the American people right and and
hold those organizations accountable to
ensure that they are only classifying
information that really needs to be
classified right not abusing your
authorities to classify information so
all those things are necessary you also
need your allies International partners
and allies to be part of this you need
the media engaged and you need the
public you need the general public
engaged so they can then contact their
elected officials and say yes we want
this topic covered we want you to
Champion this right the media needs the
the public engagement so they know it's
okay to report on this so they don't
this isn't professional suicide right
they're like oh my gosh we're going to
report on a UFO no one will ever watch
our show again so mainstream media needs
to feel secure in the fact that they can
actually report on real UAP type issues
without being discredited or being
considered you know put in that corner
of stigma and Taboo in other words we
got a lot of work to do heck yeah we got
a lot of work to do lot we absolutely
this is hey this is only the beginning
yeah this is not the end this is the
beginning of the conversation last thing
about the book if you want to say a
couple things about the book for the
audience to place the order that'd be
great oh listen I appreciate I'm I'm not
here to actually plug the book but I
appreciate it uh they can buy it
anywhere books are sold um my purpose
for being here is to have the
conversation it that's that's always my
motivation I really enjoyed it brother I
got to tell you I really enjoy talking
to thank you for your service you've
thank you for your you g yeah yes but
you've given more than half your life to
public service and I have a lot of
respect for that yeah but you're doing
it right now too this is a public
service you're doing exactly I mean you
are you are a voice that many many
people listen to the same conversation I
had with with Joe Rogan look you guys
are in a very unique position I mean you
have for the first time in the history
of our species your voice can be heard
by millions of people simultaneously
right and everything you say words have
meaning and they have influence and that
is a huge burden to carry that's an
enormous responsibility that even
leaders of of countries in the past
never
had that ability to reach out to people
and so that is you know you can either
make or break a society that way and
it's a huge responsibility so thank you
and of course ultimately the biggest
Thanks goes to your audience right
because they're the ones tuning in
they're the ones that want to listen to
your opinion and want to listen to your
material so um you know this only works
because your audience is interested and
this only works because you are actually
communicating information that your
audience finds interesting so you know I
could say the same to you thank you for
your service am man thank you brother
thanks for coming out appreciate you
take care everybody byebye byebye
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