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Luis Elizondo CONFRONTED with Lockheed Alien Experiments & UFO Crash Retrievals
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This Full Podcast (Luiz Elizondo - Ep. 237)

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Transcript: 

with this topic because of the nature of
its relation to meaning of life if you
will you know you you ran into a problem
in the Pentagon that I mean you
described it as like mind-blowing to you
that this would ever happen and it's
mind-blowing to me too which is like
with the quote unquote colins Elite so
you at some point within a tip growing
as a hub within there you started to run
into people where you you didn't the way
you described in your book is that you
you didn't necessarily know who they
were they almost operated silently where
there was a large contingent in this
22,000 person [ __ ] place the Pentagon
that had their biblical beliefs dictate
how they wanted to handle something like
this which was really in a lot of ways
to say don't handle it and I believe
there was there was one guy who you had
previously respected who at some point
and still respect by the way I still
respect that person okay so he pulled
you aside at one point and said you're
getting into demonic [ __ ] here have you
read your Bible lately and you're
looking at him as an Intel guy whose job
is National Security going I'm sorry my
Bible right like do you understand why
at home this seems wild to someone like
me or a lot of people listening that
like a religious belief is going brother
don't look now but when's the last time
you pulled the dollar out of your pocket
what's it say in there in God we trust
yeah I mean look I hate to break it to
you but you know a lot of a lot of our
country was based on certain moral
principles and and even religious values
um that's a fact you know there's a
reason why we have a National Cathedral
right and things like that doesn't
that's not a bad thing you know this
country is it it's okay to have faith in
this country in fact I I am a man of
Faith um I don't wear my religion on my
sleeve and I'm very personal about it
but people know when you read my book I
was I was raised Jewish that's that's
that's the way I was raised I went to
Hebrew school and War yamaka um and on
my father's side they were they were
catholic um so my mother's side that she
chose to raise me Jewish um I don't have
a problem with faith in fact I think
faith is important it gets people
through a lot of things what I have a
problem with is when
people overlay their faith on a national
level security issue now is it that
strange that that happens no we have we
have National prayers all the time that
our presidents lead right so faith is
important in our country and I'm not
blaming anybody if they believe that
these things are demonic or they're
anti-christian and by the way I don't
want to villainize the Christians either
because it's not a Christian issue yeah
neither am I by the way yeah yeah yeah
no I got it but but I guess I want to
make clear that look extremism by any
other word is still extremism whether
it's Muslim extremism Christian
extremism Judaism extremism extremism is
extremism we can all agree on that my
and that's my concern it's when people
that are in the government are are
exercising their views in a way that's
unilateral without allowing other people
to be part of that conversation that is
a problem for me now you I've have
believe faith is great to have and if it
if it's a moral compass for you
fantastic but I don't think that we have
the right to impose our religious views
in a decision process over other people
who may not share that look there's two
this is i' I I often try to explain to
people there's really two types of
truths in the world because people say
oh there's only one truth no that's not
true there's actually two types of
truths in the world there is a universal
truth like gravity right affects us all
the same and there's a personal truth
the personal truth is like religion or
politics right it can be just as
truthful to you as gravity but it might
not be to him it's a personal truth and
it may not be backed by the evidence and
it might not might or might not be
backed by the evidence and so we have to
understand what we can't do is apply a
personal
truth in a universal decision a
universal truth like gravity yes but you
cannot this why whether it's political
or religious or anything else a personal
truth should never be be used in a
decision that affects affects more than
yourself and this it's hard to do it's
hard to do because you think you're
doing the right thing you think
everybody feels that way and everybody's
like you but they're not and that's what
we have to avoid this is part of that
Human Experience again right we we're
we're looking through a lens that say
well this is my personal truth and it's
a universal truth well is it really
though it's a personal truth but is it
really a universal truth and if it's not
then maybe you should try try to remove
that personal truth out of the equation
and just stick to the universal truths
and but that's hard to do because a lot
of people don't even know the difference
I look I don't care if you're liberal or
conservative or anywhere in between
people have their opinions and man there
are people that are really believe in
their opinions they're willing to do
extreme stuff because their personal
truth they think is a universal truth
man and they do things
that um don't think for one second
somebody who who hate to be crude here
but Burns himself alive in protest
that's that's a universal truth for them
even though for us it may be a personal
truth I mean they are willing to give
their lives for it right right um so we
have to understand that um and in and in
government so different religion so
different you know where where personal
truth becomes a universal truth it's the
reason why Isis felt the way they did
because you know they think well the
whole world needs to be the way this is
universal truth and I'm not I'm not
bashing on anybody who's Muslim most of
my friends were Muslim in college but
extremism again is extremism whether
it's Muslim Christian extremism Jud you
know extremism that's right doesn't
matter what it is and then you have
governmental extremism and that's also a
problem how much did they impact how
much was that a a constant thorn in your
side with as it pertains to actions that
could or could not be taken by a tip you
know what there was some people I won't
say the person's name there was another
individual that was part of the uh under
secretary of defense for intelligence
who's very well known very vocal about
his personal views religious views and
he made decisions based off of it
um you know I again it's one of the
things it it didn't it didn't affect us
other than maybe for funding um but I
did not I did not feel dayto day that
there was this pressure by them it was
we got up to a certain point they kind
of said stop here yeah like whoa okay
and we didn't we didn't stop so um you
know other than a curiosity of saying
wow that's interesting I actually came
face to face with it one of these guys
um it did not I don't think it really
impacted uh now there's other people in
aspt that will probably violently
disagree like oh man these are the ones
these are the guys that created such a
headache for us and they did they did I
mean I I think that story will probably
come out at some point they they did
make our life hell for a while
ironically enough
right but um it uh it it didn't it
didn't affect me that much personally
well one of the arguments a lot of
people who maybe purely on the religious
side make is that you know they'll point
to the fact that we have no physical
evidence of this stuff it just leaves a
mark so it's a demonic creature and you
know look at Leviticus 10:15 it'll tell
you that's why that hole is right there
in in in the wheat field or whatever but
you isn't religion
itself what what facts are they basing
in it other than scripture I mean
religion itself takes Faith exactly
right religion itself is belief in the
Supernatural whether you like it or not
now and and it's not a bad thing it's
just it is and so there's no evidence
that you have right now it's a story
that someone written down and you decide
to accept it as truth but and by the way
that's a personal truth right that you
feel is a universal truth but at the end
of the day you don't have evidence you
weren't there you didn't see The Parting
of the waters you didn't see the
Miracles and the and the and the water
and wine you weren't there agreed
entirely and to your point that you
brought up earlier in the conversation
it can exist on the other side of this
with a religion and UFOs or something
saying like oh were you there in
Virginia in '96 that's right you know
what I mean that's right which by the
way can I you make a really good point
here which is I think something I've
never really
addressed if we're not careful with this
UAP topic if it hasn't already started
to it could become a religion and we
need to avoid that oh it has started
hope not because that is that that is
not the intent of these conversations
and it should not be it should not be a
religion and I am concerned that in 20
30 40 years 100 years 200 years from now
it could very well be a religion and it
should not be a religion yeah Lou I I I
I think it I think it already has become
that way and I think you're actually a I
guess like unwitting guinea pig with
that unfortunately because again you
talked about being the messenger with
you know just delivering a message here
and there's people who view that as
prophetic on the other end of it there's
people that also view that as whatever
the opposite is you know like the devil
so when I when I look at you this this
is a good time to go into this to to
Really address like headon where you're
coming from in the past episode episode
151 I had Ron James in here who's talked
with you before for his documentary and
then episode 179 I had a Nick Pope I
think like three hours into Nick popes
we talked about yours Nick is another
guy who comes from government or
whatever and in in these conversations
and in some others a point where I've
been critical of you is based on the
words that you've said yourself in the
past and actually said to me before we
we were on air today which is that you
know this this is a fact like you are an
Intel guy so I always joke and go all
right am I'm I'm like all right fed like
what do we got right here but online you
see two things you either see people who
are like no he's been sent by God you
know not literally God himself to
deliver the great word of UAP
that and then you have people on the
other side who are going who are like
you know abolish every three-letter
agency this is a scumbag fed coming out
here and doing whatever I was more in
the middle in the sense that I'm like
okay maybe he just really is a part of
an op and he's read in on things that
I'm not so maybe there's a good reason
for that but I don't [ __ ] know so my
job is not to sit here therefore and
believe what he says because again he's
worked in the government and you know it
could be like if this is a topic I'm
interested in like I am and UFOs uaps he
may be saying things that are not true
maybe for a good reason maybe for a bad
reason too maybe you're a bad guy Lou
but like I don't know this now I see
three doors with you I'm going to maybe
there's like five but we're going to put
it down to three number one is you know
let's call it like the Steven green
Green Street door he's completely full
of [ __ ] he's making it all up there's no
record of anything and I disagree with
stepen on on some of the evidence that
he's on that he's uncovered there but
he's like kind of the the heel to it
right he's the opposite the second door
is you're either mostly telling the
truth or like almost all the truth maybe
there's some things that you know you
reviewed the evidence and you got it
wrong but like you're out here and
you're actually giving all the
information and it's in a purely kind of
benevolent way like you've said where
you feel like you have a moral duty to
tell people things that they have a
right to know that Humanity has a right
to know to say nothing of the United
States of America citizens the third
door is it's a mix and the third door
could be that it's like you know and
this is a strong word to use but it
could be like some sort of scop where
let me just paint a picture here you
guys on the back end you know a 22-year
intelligence veteran if you're still in
a 29-year intelligence veteran you have
access to such crazy information that
you have been able to simulate how
Society may handle this information if
it was given to them to the point that
you are able to see using all your great
tools back there they're like o this
could cause ontological shock or an
existential crisis if we just dump this
on people therefore someone like Alou
alzando someone like a Chris melon
someone like a David grush could be sent
out there to reveal some truths in the
midst of other stuff that might not be
true or more more likely revealing
truths to make it sound really important
when when in reality the crazier [ __ ] is
over here and you want to I don't know
limited hangout get people away to focus
on this so when you look at these three
doors obviously the first one you're
going to disagree with which is that you
know oh Lose full of [ __ ] his career
wasn't real yeah but when you look at
the other two doors could you see why
people might make the argument on door
three there I can see why people see all
three
doors that's that's and there's more
doors than that I I can I can tell you
the door that I that I that I think I'm
in okay you know but it's it's it's a
little different um first of all let me
put cards on the table if you ask me to
choose between National Security and
disclosure like real National Security I
will always choose National Security
I've never made any bones about it I
love my country and I will protect and
defend this country period full stop um
secondly
um I want government
accountability that's what I want
whether it's with this topic or another
topic there is a right way and a wrong
way to do things
I am very concerned and it's probably
because of my old generation based upon
the previous studies that some people
can find this information disruptive
okay what we call catastrophic
disclosure I don't want
that I want constructive disclosure I
want to tell the American people let
them have whatever they can have legally
up to that point that they can't have it
anymore but that's not my decision to
make all I can do is continue to try to
push for It ultimately reles to the
government government's decision to do
that and I won't override the government
I won't do it I won't I've made it very
very clear I am not trying to hurt or
disrupt our government I'm trying to
help it it backed itself into a corner
for 70 years plus potentially for
decades and now we're at a point that
people have the lowest level of faith
and confidence in our government and our
institutions why because we haven't been
honest with the American people people
oh the the Pentagon never lies right
unless you talk about the Pentagon
papers unless you talk about you know
Iran contract unless you talk about the
Afghanistan withdrawal I mean we we
haven't been and our government has done
some terrible things to people in the
past look look at the syphilis
experiments we let people die man I mean
that's die government killing people
would never happen yeah right so you
know my my point being is
that the government hasn't always been
necessarily looking at the best interest
of the American people but this is a
topic I think where
I always believe that that that America
can handle the truth I think America
deserves the truth and I think there's a
right and wrong way to have the
conversation and I I I want us to have a
conversation like I said both from a
national security perspective but then
there's the other part of the
conversation that affects
everybody differently and yet equally
right whether it's philosophically or
psychologically or sociologically or
even
theologically my hope is that the
American people can have the
conversation for themselves and that
that that point make the decision what
it means to you and then if at the end
of the day you guys say yeah great going
get a Big Mac fine but at least you had
the opportunity to have that
conversation right you can then you make
that decision for yourself and at that
day I go I'll go work at Walmart I'm
cool no sweat done but at least be able
to have the conversation that's what I
want to see happen that is the door I am
in and yes I am still very loyal yes I
will still defend my country and work
for my government if asked to and when
asked to but it's not either or it's
like oh well since he does that he must
be not for the people that's [ __ ]
man that's that's that's that's a that
is a that is a you we are creating a a
fake narrative we're creating a binary
Solution that's this is not a binary
thing it's not either or either you
you're loyal to the government you're
loyal to the American people it
shouldn't be that way you should be able
to be loyal to both that's what you
should be and you can be that way and
that's what it used to be and that's
what it should be again because remember
government for the People by the people
it's not this big monolithic thing there
that's oh there's government then
there's a people CU if that's a case and
man we're lost we're done this is then
you know what forget Society we'll go
move to Canada or something because
that's not the way our government was
supposed to be people died in wars we
fought revolutions so we could have that
power so the people made the decisions
and you have a representative government
that are interested in in the in the in
the interest and the will of the people
this is my we are going to lose the
whole thing if we don't recognize that
it's it'll be gone and then everything
that everybody's doing is going to be a
waste this is my concern and I know what
Revolution is because my family came
from it and people don't realize that
and all these little nit noids out there
in the Twitter sphere who armchair
quarterbacks whove never served their
country never served a day in their life
doing anything other than being selfish
and doing something for themselves have
no freaking clue what's actually going
on and they create drama they they're
not they're not interested in the drama
they manufacture the drama they're
actually out there wanting the drama
then they watch how it goes down oh look
look I made an impact someone made a
comment you know that is that is not my
focus that's why I don't deal with it I
don't care about it my focus is on this
type of conversation this is a national
level conversation and by the way it's
not just with UAP you can see it right
now look at the two people we have that
are that are that are vying for
president
okay yeah now I'm not going to say bad
or good about either one but let me ask
you this is there anybody else probably
maybe kind of sort literally everybody
qualified yeah right is that really
really really America's best no you know
or are we
just uh well you know what I'll go ahead
and compromise with you know that person
because that one over there I hate just
a little bit more right you know and so
and and we see this all the time and
then we see the AC of pitting against
each other there are people out there
that are these agent provocators that
thrive off of it you know wouldn't it be
great like online you're saying
everywhere even the media mainstream
media wouldn't it be great if a
president C candidate came out and said
you know what I'm not going to say
anything bad about my my uh opponent in
fact May opponent probably make a damn
good president but let me tell you where
we differ this is my perspective on how
we should fix things and then the other
person well this is how I think we
should fix it imagine that that'd be
nice instead of just throwing he said
she said he said said which is all it is
which is all it is that's all it is and
it's to the point where we think it's
normal now it's like a Super Bowl my
team versus your team it's not it's not
a Super Bowl man this is life this is
our country it's not US versus you we're
all in this [ __ ] together man and so
forgive me for being emotional about
this but but this is this is what drives
me and when people try to put in a a
false narrative or try to you know well
Lu must think this or Lou must think
that you know what think for yourself
don't don't worry about what Lu thinks
it doesn't matter what L thinks what
matters is the facts and the details and
then make your decision for yourself
don't be lazy do your research right
understand what's actually happening
here and and don't expect some person to
give you a sound bite because now we
watch the media not only do we want to
know the news but we want we want to
know even what to feel about it right so
what do we do we turn into our little
Echo chamber depending on what side of
the aisle we're on politically and we
watch our shows and we're not willing to
watch oh I don't like them they're
biased hey don't look now dummy so are
you you know how about expand your
horizons and look at other sources of
information and start thinking for
yourself that is what this country used
to be there used to be a point where you
could get on the news you had no idea
the political affiliation of any of the
reporters because it was just the facts
that was a nicer world I got Walter
kronite up in the corner up there
because absolutely that was a better
world to live in and well that was an
honest world to live in even when we
were doing dishonest things right and
this is my concern this is my concern
with with where we are now as a country
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and this is why it frustrates me so bad
because ultimately at the end of the day
my focus is not the UFO Community it
never has been it's on the other 99.9%
of the population that's never even
considered this topic seriously that's
my focus and through this we maybe we
can have a bigger conversation about
what accountability transparency and
anti-corruption that's really what I'm
I'm I'm hoping to pursue here this is
why this topic this is just one example
it's a big one a really big one but this
is just one example of things we got to
fix in this country but if if if you can
recognize and I agree with you that
we're living in a country now where
people it's devolved to such a point of
he said she said and [ __ ] that like
these are the presidential candidates we
have to choose from and it's a giant
reality show just at a high level one
example right there to say nothing of
the rest of the internet that we can all
see I can see how
psychologically people that you've spent
your career around sitting in serious
rooms like Skiffs that have seen all the
worst [ __ ] that this world has to offer
and know things through the literal job
description of your jobs that you know
we'll never know or you know maybe we'll
find out 100 years from now when it gets
declass ified I can see how
psychologically there is this boundary
that forms where suddenly you guys in
your group thinking this scenario or
like look we actually know what's going
on here and we're going to save the
people from themselves cuz they have no
[ __ ] idea 100% there are PE and this
is this is one of the things I explored
because there are people this is why
people I'm so glad you brought this up
you could not be more
accurate there are people now who want
disclosure and they want their pound of
Flesh all these people that are part of
Legacy efforts put them in front of a
court and put them all in jail for lying
to the American
people I don't think that's the way to
do it I think what we do is we
incentivize them we give them an award
give them a promotion say Hey listen
great thank you for your interest in
National Security good job Now's the
Time to have the conversation I think
that most of these people that kept this
so secret for so long actually believed
in their heart they were doing it for
the right reason I think there were
people out there who actually felt look
we already had studies done we know that
the American population can't take this
right now that they they cannot process
this information they're too worried
about Russians and nukes and all this
other stuff um we're not going to put
that as a priority right now and by the
way no use having this conversation with
the American people because we still
have no idea where they're from or what
they want or how it works or anything
like that right we're just now
scratching the surface so it's just like
when we were flying the U2 over Russia
and Russia never ever ever made an issue
you know we flew it in contravention of
an actual treaty with them that we would
not fly man reconnaissance missions over
Mainland Russia and what did we do we
built the U2 With the CIA and locking
Martin Skunk Works and we start flying
them and the Russians never reacted so
we thought hey the plane flies too high
and too fast they can't detect it the
Russians were were were were tracking
every single flight from day one the
only reason why they didn't make an
issue of it is why because they didn't
have a capability to neutralize it and
it wasn't until they were able to
actually successfully shoot one down
with an sa2 surface ter missile did they
tell the world the reality hey look what
America is doing right so why admit a
problem for which there is no solution
solution I can understand from a
national security perspective people in
our own government having that same
mindset why are we going to acknowledge
a problem which we don't even understand
yet I get that I don't agree with it but
I can respect that understanding I can I
can respect that mindset and in their
hearts they feel like they really are
doing their patriotic Duty so from that
perspective I get it and back to what
you just said to me a bunch of guys
sitting around in skiff and saying hey
you know these morons can't handle it
I'm not saying that's their attit I'm
saying it comes it like it's like a
passive feeling that comes in like oh my
God if only these people knew you know
what I mean but that's every day in the
intelligence World brother I mean that's
listen there's I don't sleep all at
night because of crap I've learned and
it has nothing to do with the UAP
Community I mean I'm telling you there's
that's the cost of information people
say I want to know but you know you go
to the doctor doctor says Hey listen um
uh before we talk you want me to be
truthful with you everything right on
your your yeah I want my to tell me
about my medical Jim um you sure you
want to be truthful with you yeah I want
you to be truthful with me you have
stage four cancer oh [ __ ] I wish you
would have been truthful with me you
know ibean I would have been better off
not knowing that or going to uh a friend
and saying hey um listen um this fiance
you have um yeah yeah great guy great
gal do do you want to I've got some
information you want me to share with
you yeah yeah let me know you sure yeah
of course I want to know they've been
cheating on you the entire time oh I
didn't want to know right
so in intelligence is like that you
learn things all the time that that you
know probably would be better off not
knowing but it's your job and so that's
not just with the the UFO stuff that's
with a lot of things National Security
there's a lot of things that would keep
people up at night fortunately we have
really good people in the intelligence
community that are professionals and
they can do their job and their job is
to stop the worst thing from happening
and most of the time they're very
successful with that so you know if
there was any type of consolation prize
in this is that there are very very good
people very patriotic people who are who
who lose sleep every night so we don't
have to yeah um and that's why it's
important that we don't villainize
everybody into government you know the
moment you say I worked into oh you're
one of those all right look it was a job
okay but we didn't do it to deceive
anybody else we were deceiving the enemy
not you not the American people weren't
the enemy you know um denial and
deception and information operations and
all those things um you know you do it
to fight and win Wars you don't do it
because you're bored you don't because
you know you're just oh let's let's go
figure something out to go and be
disruptive that's not the way it works
um and I think that's that's part of the
problem we have in this conversation
because not our conversation but in a
bigger conversation because there's such
a lack of trust in the government now
this is why it's important now more than
ever we need to show good faith in the
government we have to do it and because
right now I thought you said okay yeah
yeah yeah so you see in the context I'm
trying to say here right so this is
again why this accountability and
transparency is so important now at the
end of the day is there a better way to
do it could be could be could I be wrong
in this approach yeah sure absolutely
yeah I think people are always going to
be skeptical because of the fact that
we've seen such as you laid out yourself
with some examples we've seen such a
breakdown in the trust of Institutions
through some things that they have done
wrong which again and this is this is
unfortunate but my friend Jared dillian
who I had on the podcast for episode
182 or
183 he is a former Leman Brothers guy
and he had this line in in a memoir he
wrote about Leman Brothers is that he he
put it like this he said there were
approximately 20,000 people who worked
at Leman brothers and I can tell you
19,994 of them were really good at their
jobs and tried very hard that's right
now I always amend it to probably 19,90
but you get the point it takes very
small turd in the punch bowl to ruin
that punch bowl right and that's why in
government especially it's so important
this is my anti-corruption issue here
because it just takes a few people in
government to do bad things and the
entire government looks like crap and
this is this is another concern because
it's easy to blame the government oh
this government is Big you know huge
monolithic thing no government's just
made of people and there are some good
people really good people in government
and there's a couple that you know not
so good not not so good right and
unfortunately it kind of paints with a
broad stroke the entire government and
so it's important we don't villainize a
government don't you know we it's like
it's like a police officer yeah there's
a couple dirty cops out there but most
of them are putting their life on the
line to save your ass you know and you
know they're they're good people they go
home they pay their bills they and
they're putting their life on the line
every day for you same with our military
same with our intelligence professionals
but it just takes one or two and now
you've got a corrupt Police Department
that's right now look if we're going to
be fair and we're going to be assessing
the morality and the actions of the
government we also have to look at the
other side of this which is something
you outlin in your book pretty well
which is the the contract side the the
private side so you learned through this
program that companies and I'm just
going to name a couple here like
Lockheed and Northrup had been in I'll
just use my own term like in lockstep
with previous UFO related things with
the government to the point that you
alleg you you had you saw evidence the
files you had access to to show that
companies like a locked like a Northrup
had been in charge of UFO crash
retrievals and given so much Authority
by the government in this case as like a
hand inhand military-industrial complex
I guess in a way such that the evidence
recovered from these were in places that
you had no idea about in the government
and couldn't ever access yourself
therefore it's pretty much all on the
private side for them to potentially
reverse engineer things that you the
government wouldn't even know about
correct that was kind of an issue no
yeah it was uh let's let's look at a
real real case scenario here um let's
look
at let's look at the uh the Apollo
missions okay and the early days of the
US government's Space Race and Race To
The
Moon um it was about 10 years it's when
Kennedy said we're going to put a person
on the moon and not because it's easy
but because it's hard etc etc and that
was in 1969 we successfully landed
somebody on the moon that was a 10-year
Endeavor now
we had to invent everything from scratch
to do that no one had been to really
space before no one had ever been
certainly to another Celestial body and
nobody knew what it was even like and
how to do it and how to get there and
what was involved the
Technologies uh and so we had about nine
to 10 years to figure it out maybe a
little
less as a result of that over and think
about this
6,000 200 Industries and
products have were invented and created
to do that so for example things like
the LED light bulb velcro right the CAT
scan these are Technologies in some
cases that have changed Humanity forever
have benefited our well-being all
because of a space race and this a
competition for for a little less than a
decade with a foreign adversary right um
these technologies have long outlive the
initial purpose for which they were
created right imagine
a company that has access to material or
technology and without Fair
competition able to do things and make
money based upon that now I'm not
against capitalism at all capitalism
works it's fantastic as long as we all
play by the same rules right capitalism
doesn't work when one company gets a
unfair advantage over another and
they're in life part of the problem
because if you have material that was in
the possession of the government and
says okay you can use this to analyze it
for us that doesn't mean you can just
turn around and start making profit off
of it and creating stuff that we don't
agree for you to to make that prop that
property belongs to the American people
that belongs to the government not you
let's let's let's make make that clear
up front you don't own that property
unless we sell it to you right um and so
there in lies part of the problem also
you have legal consequences so let's for
example
say here we go company oh that's I won't
do that uh all right go we got this and
we got this company a and Company B on
the government right and I find
something interesting in the desert and
I say hey
uh company a I want you to go ahead and
analyze that for me okay Company B don't
worry about that you just just go over
here and do your thing 10 years later
what happens company a becomes a
multi-billion dollar Aerospace company
company B what happens well they went
bankrupt 200 jobs were lost and the
investors who had that money in there
gone right what just happened well the
US government gave an unfair advantage
to company a instead of Company B right
they make the money they make the profit
now there are actual rules and laws and
regulations like SEC violations that if
if I do that and this company goes
bankrupt now there's a real legal
liability on my part because I broke the
law I did something that I wasn't
allowed to do because as the government
as a government yeah because I gave an
unfair advantage to one company over
another right there's rules and
mechanisms to do stuff I want to give
company a material there's rules and
procedur to do that I can't just go and
give it to them there there are unless
they are a prime contractor and I have
these avenues that are taken care of and
blah blah blah blah blah blah there are
laws against being able to give these
unfair advantages because why there is
money behind it they're in a capitalist
world people invested in Company B
because they thought they were going to
be a company that had the same type of
Pop potential as company a but we didn't
know that there was an unfair
relationship between couple people in
the government and Company a so here
we're going to slide that to you right
it's like all these sweetheart deals
where you're paying $22,000 for a toilet
seat for an airplane yeah right I mean
what well how does that happen well it
happens happens because someone in a
government has a sweetheart deal with
somebody here and they get away with it
right so we gave are you saying and
maybe I'm taking this a little too far
but are you saying we gave sweetheart
deals to certain companies as it
pertains to say UFO crash retrievals and
we had now created a beast that we
cannot tame it appears that may very
well be the case that may be one of the
issues that we're dealing with and if
that's the case okay well there's real
legal consequences how do we fix this
without you do you give them amnesty I
think you do people are going to say oh
you can't do that well listen do you
want the truth or not what's the cost of
it you know there's there's examples
where we do this Truth and
Reconciliation we did it in Rwanda we've
done it with other countes where we we
say look a lot of bad things were done
on both sides we're willing to forgive
all of it if we can if we can reconcile
and we can we can move forward together
towards the truth and I think that's the
way we do it this is why I said we don't
villainize those who are part of these
efforts I know it's easy people want to
do that and they want their pound of
Flesh and I say no I yeah but but but
the company on that end I want to stick
with your example here company a if they
became a multi-billion dollar whatever
the government making that mistake is
not their fault they just reap the
benefit of it so what incentive do they
have to come to the table like what can
the government legally say to them you
you allowed them to do it well this is
part of the eminent domain conversation
isn't it ah yeah it is which is by the
way I'm not going to get into it's very
controversial but look the government
has the right through a domain to do
whatever the hell it wants if you got
some and it's better and it's in in the
interest of national security or
national interest we'll buy your house
we'll put a highway right through it
we'll do whatever we need to do make no
mistake we will absolutely do it right
same holds true with this the problem is
the government's been saying no for so
long it doesn't exist they don't want it
back they're I don't want it you you
keep it you you figure out I don't want
nothing to do with that you know um so
it's it's a double sword um this is you
know this is a very it's actually a
great conversation because it kind of
highlights some of the complexities
we're dealing with you know people say
well I just want the truth well but it's
not that simple it's not it's not just
okay here's the truth because the
consequences of that how you get the
truth can make or break something and
there are people there that don't want
that to happen well a huge problem with
the truth that people have with anything
involving the phenomenon is that as meuk
Kaku says we have no physical evidence
Ence you know steal a pen for God's sake
steal and like I hear him because you
know like I I had Jesse I just recorded
with Jesse Michaels that's to be G to be
coming out one or two episodes after you
but like he talked about like the B that
he saw and showed it with Gary Nolan The
Jock fet had brought to him so like
maybe there's something physical there
but like it's not like we have when
David grush came out who was able to
like remove the remove the curtains and
say Here's the UFO we recovered in 1933
and it's the same thing with you you're
you're out here saying I've seen the the
evidence written up in papers and I
think you're also saying like maybe
you've seen some physical evidence too
but like C can you understand why
Skeptics out there are saying well this
is religious as well if we don't have
physical evidence yeah my responsible
first of all we do have physical
evidence it's just you don't see it
because it's with the government and
it's or with the private companies with
the or the private companies right who
work for the government by the way right
so allegedly yeah or should anyways
right uh and and you're right you should
don't I'm not asking you to believe me
your government's already told you that
you you had a former Director of
National Intelligence radli former
director of the CIA Brennan you had a
former president of the United States
you had a president just now a week and
a half ago the former president that
said hey if I get elected I'm going to
release the UFO files because the guy
asked him would you do it he said yeah
I'll do it and by the way I tried to do
it before but I got a lot of flack for
doing it I mean do it did well no but
did you hear that what he says he says I
tried to do it before but I got a lot of
resistance wait a
minute you know what that means that's
ackn that's saying yes I've been brief
to it I want to do it but someone is
telling me no so you know don't don't
believe Lando don't listen to L I don't
give a [ __ ] do say do your research man
don't be lazy get out there and and be
proactive read what's out there read
what people are saying people in
Authority who are telling you this not
forget L alzando you know it's there
yeah it's there you you don't you don't
need it from me all you need from me is
maybe a little bit of my background and
you know XYZ but there's already data
there there's already data there you've
already had an acknowledgement by the US
government in many ways of the reality
of this topic you've already had these
reports to Congress they said look every
time we go and try to figure these
things out we have more not less right
government said oh we have complete air
domain awareness over our country what
happens when we start recalibrating our
Radars to look for UAP boom
surveillance satellite from China are
just wafting over Northern continental
United States right
so if you if you look at the data what
the data is suggesting that is all I'm
asking people to do I'm not and this is
why I don't give my opinion what do you
think L it doesn't matter what L thinks
what matters what you think stop asking
me that don't make me think for you
because that is a your ability to look
at information objectively is sacred no
one should be thinking for you you
should be thinking for you and so my job
is easy here's the facts and the data
you decide what you want to do with it
that is that is really what this boils
down to have you stood in front of a
recovered
UFO I am uh boy I can talk about what's
in the book because I got cleared for it
so let me say this I have had in my
possession material that was allegedly
recovered from a UFO and it was very
cannot say okay it was but I I don't I
have been told I was warned very very
clearly this I'll share with you I was
told several years ago that I could
never talk about crash retrievals or
material ever and I signed a paperwork
for it right so that in itself is should
be evidence for you but more importantly
than that it's only been recently I'm
allowed to talk about the one piece of
material because it's in my book and I
got cleared for okay let's talk about
that's I have to be I have to honor that
so it just so you understand I'm not
trying to be evasive I just I don't want
to go to jail I hear you so uh there is
material that I've had um access to that
was clearly
engineered uh it was we had one of the
very best I can't say which one one of
the very best aerospace companies and
government contractors okay so you can
try to figure out who that was Lu try to
replicate try to replicate I'm not
saying say one way or the other tried to
replicate that material and at a cost of
a million dollars and it broke the
machine they able to create this
material at a macro level a sandwich
between one piece and another
piece this material um up to three years
ago I don't know about now but 3 years
ago we could not replicate we could not
we did not have the technology to
manufacture
it when you look at this material and
you found that when we know for sure we
we we we found it and where it was found
temporally there's a problem because
this material has obviously been
engineered with a technology that at
least we're pretty sure we don't have
maybe the Russians maybe the Chinese
sure back in the
1990s 1940s definitely
not that is equivalent to us as if you
have a piece of material that says hey
this from 1940 whatever and you look at
you say oh wow that's pretty interesting
because we didn't have that
technology that's like going into as
I've said before going into into King
tutt's tomb for the very first time as
we've discovered it and as you chisel
away the plaster wall and you peek
inside you see a fully assembled 747 jet
it doesn't make sense right they did not
have the technology to do that back then
I don't care what you think but there it
is right so how to get in there um it's
the same thing it's it's the same same
issue we have here if we don't even have
the technology
now someone did it came I mean it's it's
same from somewhere and when you look at
at the atomic so we're going there's
there's three levels of of of analysis
and maybe that might be helpful if I
explain it real Qui so um I find this
okay um that makes noise by the way if
you want to do it no on the bottom on
the bottom see the one button now hit it
okay what the he you've got to be
kidding okay little known trick so
imagine being Da Vinci and walking in a
desert in the 1600s and finding this
right yeah it'd be trippy yeah so made
of plastic uh and it talks It's Magic
right it's magic so um so my point being
it's kind of in the same way um you know
you D Vin you would never expect
something like this and would have no
idea its use right and understand what a
battery is and and how this speaker
works and the pl It's Magic um there are
three types of analysis you would do
first of all if I find this in the
desert and um I was let's say I was Da
Vinci and I had the technology first I'm
going to do is I'm probably going to
weigh
and I'm going to do a physical analysis
I'm going to say okay it's hard it's
solid it's made of some sort of plastic
material it weighs half a kilogram
roughly this Dimension um it's uh not
electric it doesn't conduct electricity
but something inside does blah blah blah
blah if that's interesting enough
that'll warrant a chemical molecular
analysis now I want to see I know it's
some Hard Solid Surface but I want to
see the relationship between the
molecules themselves how are they
arranged what what is their relationship
with the other molecules in there well I
analy this it's got some copper in it uh
it's got some lithium um it's got some
plastic uh polymer it's got some uh
aluminum in it right and if that's
interesting enough then I say okay I'm
going to spend the extra money I'm going
to do a a I'm going to do a atomic
analysis at the Nano level I want to see
how the not the molecules but how the
atoms are actually arranged because
within the natural environment there's a
variation of isotopes that we find here
on this planet and it turns out that
they're natural they're are some that
are not natural and that's the reason
why speaking of King tutch tomb this is
why it's kind of important because for
decades there was a little dagger that
we found in King tutt's tomb that we
just thought was a neat little dagger it
wasn't until we did the analysis on it
that we realized it wasn't from Earth
the metal came from a meteorite and we
know that and that's when all of a
sudden became important like oh my gosh
that's is why they buried him with the
dagger because this is made from
meteorite it's not from Earth right it's
magical or whatever there was
significance behind it you know that by
doing looking at isotopic ratios at the
atomic level and how they are arranged
and when you find that atoms are
arranged with such a level of precision
that takes a lot of Technology it's
really really expensive right and the
uses for that are are fairly finite at
least from our own technological
perspective there's only so many reasons
you would want to invest and making
something with that level of accuracy
remember at a cost of a million bucks we
were able to put put two pieces together
this is much much more complicated than
that so that is why material analysis is
so important that's why when you come
across a piece of material that's been
engineered and then you find out when it
was recovered right that kind of changes
you know you could say yeah maybe Russia
China has that ability now or has in the
last five or 10 years not decades ago
and so that is part of the compelling
evidence and now I'm not a material
scientist but we had people that looked
at it right there's people that that
even to this day and age in the
government are analyzing stuff can't say
who can't say where but they are
interested in in analyzing this type of
material and it's happening
so I know I'm not I'm not scratching
your itch specifically but I'm trying to
have a conversation while getting around
any issues that might get me in trouble
I can't be specific but I'm giving you
an example of how you do analysis why
it's important what makes a piece of
material so compelling that's what makes
that material compelling yeah it always
[ __ ] with my head thinking about this
because you're assuming you have some
whether it be a crazy Advanced
civilization or future humans whatever
it is it's like these beings would have
so much more understanding of whatever
the physical world is than we do to the
point that I've always said like
wouldn't they be able to simulate
everything ahead of time like wouldn't
they be able to simulate a crash
happening or something like that so that
it wouldn't happen I mean you talk in
your book about your conversations with
how put off for example on Roswell where
he's he's got some fascinating thoughts
there but he's like hey it was probably
some sort of EMP interference from our
universe that [ __ ] with the craft
falling to Earth and boom now well there
were two of them and one of them we were
then able to recover and then the
Government tried to cover it up and say
it was a balloon so you know when you
see things like that it's like our way
less Advanced squirrel species is able
to have some capabilities that [ __ ] up
these civilizations so much that we're
able to even get evidence like that
allegedly yeah so your argument is that
you know we're the the monkeys on the
ground it couldn't these things if
they're though so Advanced how are they
allowed to be so vulnerable and
susceptible right yeah okay so uh we are
in a beautiful place here in Hoboken and
again I'll I'll be respectful of privacy
but I noticed this morning when I was
getting up and walking outside the hotel
yeah had this beautiful view of the of
of the Hudson I mean it's just gorgeous
just beautiful beautiful and um you know
it was only a few years ago that um you
had a uh you had a a what some call a
miracle here you had a commercial jet
yep Sully Sully and and and crashed what
you want to remind your audience what
happened so this was it was a Tom Hanks
movie later but they took off from
LaGuardia went up into the sky as they
were coming up suly solenberger the
captain realized there were Birds the
birds came into the
engine suddenly the plane failed and
Sully used unbelievable skills that he
had acquired over 40 some years or
something of flying was able to pull it
back around right out here correctly as
you point out on the Hudson in between
Manhattan and Hoboken and basically land
the plane perfectly such that it didn't
crash on impact and split apart and
saved everyone on the plane yeah yeah
amazing huh if you're a
bird wouldn't you be asking the same
question these humans are so Advanced
how can a dumb bird bring down a jet
full of people and almost kill every
single human being a
bird that's a good parallel you just
gave don't forget to uh tip your
bartenders in your
waitresses so so you think that that
some of this is just straight up a
mistake that because again maybe we but
let me counter argue that maybe we are
the the separation and advancement of us
to Birds which is quite large let's be
honest maybe it's not nearly as large as
it is with these civilizations how can
we even know that like you talk about
you talk about in your book you talk
about in your book not knowing whether
or not this is a threat but treating it
as it could be and like maybe they're on
the on the battlefield getting ready for
battle right here and they've just been
doing it for the last I don't know 80
years specifically or something like
that because time is you know 1 second
to them what is is 80 80 years to us
like you see where it gets a little
convoluted and it gets beyond what we
can even like have a scope of
intelligence I do and this is why I
think this type of conversation is so
important because we you know we we are
always we're putting ourselves always in
that box of well you know
anthropomorphic if there's so much
advantage and how mistake remember we
may be dealing something that is
uniquely potentially not human at all
right so um it and it's hard it's hard
to do that because we are innately human
how do you how do you not think like a
human if that's all we do right so it is
I can see how it gets fuzzy I can see
how people get frustrated and they kind
of go through these mental gymnastics of
okay well you know there are millions of
years ahead of us well maybe not maybe
they're not 10 years 50 years ahead of
us you know we we we have evolved more
in the last 100 years technologically
than we have in the last 100 thousand
yeah so so it's it's a logarithmic yeah
it's a curve that's right and so so is
it possible that 100 years from now that
we're going to have the exact same
ability that they have it maybe possible
possible right they may not be million
they may just be 100 years ahead of us
or they could be from right here they're
just like I said little beasties we're
at the point now where we're beginning
to interact with them they've been here
all along baby we don't know
so we have to keep this is why I always
tell people in my opinion which I don't
like to do very often we should keep all
options on the table until they're not
on the table and are there people out
there in the government that know more
probably probably yeah and that they
should come out they should be able to
talk to Congress you know that's that's
that's what I'm trying to do is create
an environment where where ultimately
the conversation can be had and people
have the truth whatever that truth is
whatever whatever that truth looks like
give the people the opportunity to have
the truth and have the conversation for
themselves and then I'm done I'm out
well you're you're a veteran of this
game having been in it for the last 16
17 years whatever it is when you were
first read in and yet when you come into
it you're joining a guy like Hal put off
who's been read in for at that point
like 45 years oh brother let don't think
that that that fact didn't uh weigh on
me every single person there had more
experience than me by a lot um but
you're also you're you're there with
like Michael Jordan like how do you even
concept or conceive like you don't you
don't compete with Michael Jordan you
help Michael Jordan when you're on the
team and you come into the new team and
you're with Michael Jordan Scotty Pippen
you don't compete with them you support
them that's what you do you're Steve
Kerr uh not even that I'm I'm I'm the
guy who's in the sidelines you know
giving them
towels I'm the I'm the towel boy and the
water boy um no you don't you know and
and everybody has I think and God I
don't want to say everybody's a tool
because people a tool but the reality is
that I look at I look at all of us as as
Tools in toolbox and some of us are
hammers some of us are are wrenches some
of us are are screwdrivers and and you
don't use a hammer to do a screwdriver
work yeah and you don't use a
screwdriver to do a Hammer's work right
so we all have our own skills just like
you have yours you know with your
audience I could never do your job I'd
fail
miserably there are people in the
government have very specific Niche
capabilities and when you can bring them
all together that's what makes a
successful team that's why you s you got
a great producer you doing what you're
doing here and you've got the right
people in the Right audience and it's a
team effort it's the same thing with ATP
it's the same thing with anything in the
government whether it's Special
Operations or anything else
it is a team effort it's a team that
succeeds and there is no I in team in
fact I used to make a a point when I
talk to people about leadership because
everybody in government for some reason
thinks they're a leader and they think
rank means something no know I would
never believe that it's insane yeah um
and you know I usually tell people
anybody who says that they're a leader
probably isn't um because a real leader
never says it What's Understood doesn't
need to be explained 100% And you know I
I in in government a leader should never
say the words me mine or I it's always
us we and ours right this is this is our
team and and and we succeed together and
this is my staff you know get the hell
out of here it ain't your staff
government people are paying for it
[ __ ] you know you're a manager you're
not a leader big difference you manage
people and by the way there was a saying
by somebody a quote that I used to like
where they um they say a a manager will
always say go a leader says
let's go and I would take that even a
step further a great leader says I'll go
first I'm through the door first um and
those are the signs of leadership and
and that is that is how you succeed um
whether it's Chasing UFOs or it's
chasing bad guys or or being a
politician um you know we are just so
used to people in these positions of
authority saying me mine and I you know
yeah and I'm the director and my staff
and my Administration well hold on there
Cowboy ain't your Administration it's my
Administration it's our Administration
we're paying for it right you just
you're just doing the job we ask you to
do that ain't your Administration that's
the people's Administration but we're so
accustomed to it we're so used to it
that we just accept it now yeah and I I
I reject it man I I think this is part
of our problem and it's not
just in the Department of Defense it's
not just in the CIA or in the
intelligence Community it's it's the
whole government now man and we are okay
with it why
why have we got so used to so accustomed
to to that mindset that we just not only
do do we not do anything about it we
agree with it well yeah and I understand
what you're saying and and also like
you're a humble guy but I don't think
there's from the
outside based on the story we've been
given which is what we can go off of I
don't think there's any evidence to not
say you haven't had a clear leadership
role whether you like it or not in in
whatever this is the disclosure movement
or something like that I mean you're
you're one of the guys this was a little
hazy for me just to so correct me if I
don't want to bead this in this in this
convers we I shouldn't be there should
be no one more important than anybody
else but you're one of the guys that's
responsible or I think the leader that's
responsible for like releasing the gimal
video getting getting getting those
things out sure I was one of the first
guys out of the plane door but you know
I'm not I'm not the invasion Force
brother I'm I'm not this is where again
well it shouldn't be anybody it
shouldn't be a who that's that's my
point to all this we there shouldn't be
any one person in charge and I think
that's part of why we're succeeding now
because this has been such a Grassroots
movement it has really been something
amazing this is global man there are
people all over the world man that are
rallying for for full disclosure and
that's not because of me I mean they see
you know me on a TV show or something
like that but but I didn't make this
happen this is I I think this is a
coalescing of of people really if I had
to if I had to really give anybody
credit it's you guys it's it's your
generation My Generation spent the last
70 years screwing this topic up you know
it's your generation that are saying you
know what we want the truth you know
what we got the internet you know so I
think I think you guys you know my
generation has done a good job of
blaming you guys like it's oh you guys
in social media why do you always
unstuck on social media and YouTube look
we in my generation invented it right so
who we who's at fault here ain't you us
um I I think we are where we are today
in this conversation because your
generation has decided not to allow the
the stigma and taboo that my generation
impose on this conversation and you're
just having dialogue and that's really
why we're having the conversation now
well and it's also the tools that are at
our disposal to be able to spread things
around the internet such that when we
get evidence like the 2004 fraver videos
the Fleer video or the 2009 gimbal video
which involves some of our carrier ships
and everything like we can at least look
at something physical on the screen and
say oh [ __ ] right now you now you saw
the 2004 video for the first time in
2009 I believe right yeah that was
actually by Chad Underwood it wasn't by
frer frer was there as an eyewitness but
the video was actually taken by another
aircraft afterward by Chad Underwood
okay and that one again showed the Tic
Tac that was moving in ways that would
match some of the five observables
correct correct correct what what was
the first time you saw that did you I
mean you talk about being one of these
gradual guys like where you gradually
start other videos that's just one I I
mean that's it was there were some that
were I mean there's one I really wish I
could talk about it it was in 4k ultra
high definition
video anybody sees that video and
there's people in the Intel community
that have seen it and they're just like
okay yeah that that's a game changer I
mean that there's no doubt we're looking
at that that point that is not ours um
that's what frustrates me because those
videos are there there are people uh
that are aware of it a lot of people
it's kind of a bad kept secret at this
point the problem is how that video was
taken where it was taken under the
circumstances is very classified so I
probably won't ever see the light of day
convenient yeah no I got tell you look
honestly where where was I mean I
looking at it I can say yeah that
probably shouldn't come out um you know
as as compelling as it is
because it is there's reasons to keep
that that type that those there's a
couple videos there well more than a
couple that that really are sensitive um
because of the circumstances of of of
the collection uh that we were doing um
but there's other videos that I think
should come out I think you can scrub
the metadata out of it so you don't have
locational data um you know there's ways
where you can um depixelate if you need
to to allow something to be released and
I'm for that as long as we don't give
away sources and methods I think we
should be as open as possible the more
videos we can release the better and
look some of them might have prosaic
explanations which would be great right
okay case Clos on that one what about
these other 10 what about these other 50
what about these other 100 right every
time Arrow comes out with a report and
they try to you know good on them at
least they're being honest with that
they're like yeah we had 144 incidents
that that we couldn't figure out and
then it became 300 then it became 600
then it became 800 right and the numbers
keep going up why because the more we
look the more we realize [ __ ] they're
out there man there's there things that
are going on that yeah that's that's not
our technology we know that because we
had no assets in the area at the time
and you know you know if that's
adversarial technology then we got a
real problem because God forbid God
forbid that this turns out to be
adversarial technology because what
would that mean that would mean for the
last 70 plus years some foreign
adversary has managed to engineer and
deploy this capability over our
sensitive military installation of
control airspace and has done so with
complete anonymity now where was China
back in the 1950s in the middle of a
famine yeah where with Russia I mean
yeah right it there's there's no way and
so this goes back to that question what
would that mean well this would be the
greatest intelligence failure this
country has ever experienced eclipsing
that of even 911 because despite the
billions of dollars that we spend trying
to keep an competitive technological
advantage over our adversaries has been
eclipsed by by again order of magnitude
by some s some sort of adversary so you
know it that in itself is a is a problem
people bring that up as a
counterargument well what if it's for an
adversarial okay well if it is now we're
in big trouble if it's from back then we
even bigger trouble but there's a third
door here and I got to play Devil's
Advocate on this and it doesn't by the
way I know what you say I don't I don't
think it ex there's so many different
possible sightings of UFOs and
capabilities I don't think this can
explain everything to be clear and I
think mathematic just to put my opinion
out there so people know where I stand I
think mathematically from what we even
know about the Galaxy there has to be
intelligence life out there somewhere
whether or not it's been here we can
have that debate but you know I agree
with you I don't think it could be an
adversary cuz they would have already
[ __ ] taking us at this point that
said just in your program in the
Pentagon you had a situation where guys
like you were on such a small team that
people above you and Below you didn't
even know it existed that's correct okay
so who's to say that the same thing
doesn't exists with oh I don't know
DARPA you know where there's such a
limited number of people who read in on
the fact that that physical world that
we have as our current laws of physics
yeah we we had that figured out after we
paper clipped everyone in 45 you know
what I mean let me just say I hope
that's the case I would love that to be
the case because then I can sleep a lot
better at night Lely better at night the
Nazis helped
us my point being is that we have the
technological advantage right I that
that this would be some sort of Blue
Force technology um unfortunately I
would not be able to discuss at all what
capabilities we might or might not have
uh regarding any type of exotic
Technologies look we got a lot of cool
toys if you even knew about it though
even if I if whether I knew about it or
not I I I cannot confirm or deny
anything regarding any type of Blue
Force capability what I can simply say
is what we don't have but I can't say
what we have I mean let me see if I can
be more Express explicit with this I
cannot tell you what we might
have and again and I'll take that a step
further for you I'll say probably
mathematically statistically you also as
much as you may know there's a lot of
stuff that you and anyone else on your
team and on other secret teams in the
government don't know about each other
too that's how it's set ups we we we ran
into that all the time yeah absolutely
absolutely but the problem is someone
needs to be the belly button that's why
what 911 happened remember because the
CIA had information FBI had information
DD had information well it's useless if
you don't have somebody coordinating it
that's right that's a problem so yes if
these other organizations existed which
looks like some did then there needed to
be a single belly button and there
wasn't and what does that mean that
means that leads to to to waste of money
it uncoordinated effort you know which
is again what is it that's a that's a
dysfunction of the government so that
needs to be fixed that's the bureaucracy
I was telling you about the issue with
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