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Video Title: "Joe Rogan Experience #2194 - Luis Elizondo"

Joe Rogan Experience #2194 - Luis Elizondo
2,487,707 views  Aug 23, 2024

Luis "Lue" Elizondo is the former head of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which investigated UFOs, now referred to as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). A veteran of the U.S. Army, he has worked in counterintelligence and counterterrorism worldwide. His new book, "Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs," is available now.

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLPtRwXgCM

Transcript:

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe
Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan
podcast by night all
day what's up Luke how are you hey sir
I'm doing better than I deserve yeah
well that's a good statement you know
there's an old uh old military saying
any any day above grounds a good day
there you go um so tell everybody what
your official job was wow um I had a lot
of official jobs government in regards
to you know you know you know you know
those things sure one of these things
that's a allegedly uh that's a replica
of um the one that Bob Lazar worked on
the sport
model I uh I've heard that before yeah
designs by Perry uh the E with in Perry
is a a three and he's a dude on
Instagram and sent me that very cool
pretty dope right yeah we have another
one that looks just like it at the
Mothership at the comedy club when you
walk in you walk right through like a a
giant suspended UFO very cool so
obviously I have issues well you know
you know what this is a neat Town um I I
I was strolling the streets yesterday
and um I came across the uh the Texas
Toy Museum now I'm not one for museums
usually but something I saw was a
automatically transported me back to
when I was a kid I'm an old guy so I
grew up 70s and early 80s how old are
you 52 I'm 57 you are yeah man well I
look 10 years older than you I had a lot
of lot of long hard miles on me
unfortunately I do too believe it or not
well you'll have to share with me your
secret um because unfortunately I tell
people this is as good as it get I'm
about as attractive as a cement truck
you know so um so uh I I after the Army
um I went into the federal service and
had a lot of jobs mostly in Counter
Intelligence and which is looking
basically what the guys know about us
from an intelligence perspective and in
2008 I changed my job one of my jobs I
was working at the Director of National
Intelligence which for most people may
or may not know it's um kind of outside
of DC and where I lived I was on the
other side of DC living on a little
island in the Chesapeake Bay and so my
my commute was terrible I mean it really
really frankly sucks have to take a
ferry every day no uh but it was about a
three-hour commute each way because you
have to go right past langly yeah it's
why didn't you move closer well you know
I wanted to I wanted to give my kids a
really good quality of life and I did
not want to work in the city and then
kind of expose them to kind of the
craziness if that makes sense especially
DC DC is crazy especially with kids
right so any kind of nuts that they
don't clean up the capital of the
[ __ ] country it seems like you know
brother it's kind of indicative of the
rot the whole country is involved such a
disgrace because you bring these foreign
dignitaries and the first thing they see
is is just the the dereliction of it and
it's a very poor reflection on really
what the American Spirit is about but
you know that's that's for another
conversation gu yeah it seems like they
could fix
that yep especially in that place yeah
one would hope right um yeah I mean
Jesus Christ it's the nation's capital
yeah um so uh I was offered a job to go
back to the Pentagon in 2008 for a
little while and basically run the the
integration between National level
intelligence information and local and
state and Tribal Law Enforcement so
after 9/11 the country realized that we
had a significant problem getting
National level information down to to
the cops on the ground that could
actually do something about it why
because he didn't have security
clearances so they couldn't they weren't
allowed to be provided that information
so one of my jobs was to try to help fix
that and shortly thereafter uh I got
there in 2008 uh it was probably early
2009 is when I was approached by two
individuals who came to me and they said
look um we'd like to consider you for
for for a program that we're we're part
of um it's a very nuanced program very
secretive program now when you're into
government you hear that all the time
it's not you know people look at they
they oh you have a secret clearance or a
top secret clearance millions of people
have have some sort of security
clearance in the government and a lot a
lot of people have a top secret
clearance so it's really not that
uncommon it's really not that sexy it
just so you didn't really know what you
getting involved in I didn't at all not
at all in fact um so yeah great question
so no I didn't know what I was getting
involved in and after several
conversations it occurred to me that
their interest in me was some of my
background I had in my early career as a
special agent in Counter Intelligence I
was protecting Technologies critical
Technologies critical avionic
Technologies um for
example and some Aerospace technology so
think of first stage solid rocket motor
booster
technology um tomaha cruise missiles
stuff like that Apache Longbow so
Advanced avionics was something I was
kind of already formal kind of famili
with and at the same time um I had the
Counter Intelligence background so I was
asked to come in and run The Counter
Intelligence and security aspect for a
particular program at which time I had
no idea what the program even was so
what does Counter Intelligence and
security mean it just simply means
making sure that our adversaries like
Russia and China can't penetrate our our
organization and steal our secrets
that's all that is it's kind of a fancy
word for just saying security
information security and operational
security so uh I remember I had a a
meeting they brought me to go see their
director and uh it was in a uh in I
would tell you the location but I was
told by the Pentagon not to say the
specific location of this office but it
was somewhere in the DC area uh it was a
facility that wasn't known publicly to
be a uh an intelligence to have an
intelligence office in there so I can't
say the the the specific location um but
I went there and I went up to the to the
top floor uh I think it was the top
floor almost the top floor and I met for
the first time a gentleman named James
latky Dr James latsky PhD and this guy
was the epitome of a rocket scientist um
and when I say the epitome I mean he was
probably and there's no exaggeration the
number one rocket scientist in the US
government now he's a humble guy so I'll
probably tell you he wasn't but he he
really was he's an amazing human being
and very smart um and after a very brief
conversation he looked at me and he said
um I want to ask you a question said
okay sir and he said what do you think
about
UFOs and I said uh well I answered
truthfully I said I don't and he said
well what do you mean you don't believe
in him and I said no that that's not
what I said you asked me if I think you
know what do I think about UFOs and
frankly I don't think about UFOs um I
really don't have the luxury to think
about them I'm too busy you know working
intelligence operations and
whatnot and I remember him looking over
his glass say and um very seriously
staring me straight in the eye and says
well um don't let your personal bias get
the best of you because what you may
learn may surprise you and May challenge
any preconceived notion of what you
think something is or is not and so let
me backtrack for a minute I've never
been a UFO guy you know people come up
like oh you're that UFO guy I'm really
not I I was never really into science
fiction as a kid um I wasn't into the
Star Trek or the Star Wars like like a
lot of people were um so that was not my
disposition you know I I grew up I guess
playing GI Joe and stuff like that so um
that wasn't that wasn't my background
and certainly in college um I I studied
uh microbiology and Immunology with a
focus on parasitology not
parasytes parasitology so the scientific
method has always been something that
has been near and dear to me and then of
course later on as a as a special agent
um you know that when you're when you're
conducting
investigations for me I was always very
fact- driven um kind of the old gum Sho
if you will just the fact m' sort of guy
so I was never really prone to any type
of if you will uh Affinity towards
science fiction or even the UFO topic I
just I just never really considered
it so he says this to you and then how
so we're talking about like what 16
years ago uh 15 16 years ago yeah do the
math right so it's uh 2024 200 early
2009 so this is the beginning of your
journey towards this sort of bizarre
subject of whatever these things are
yeah so you don't have any real previous
interest he says this to you and and
then what's the steps after that like
how do you get introduced to this idea
that these things are alien crafts yeah
so um great question
so for some people uh there's there's
kind of two ways people process this
information at least in my experience
and there may be others this is just
been my my observation some people have
this kind of revelatory moment this
Epiphany where it's this aha moment
where oh my gosh this is real right for
other people it's kind of more of a slow
gradual realization and I think for me I
was probably in the second category more
of a slow gradual realization that this
isn't you know cover for something else
this is really about about UFOs about so
how do you first get introduced to these
things well it so it wasn't I didn't get
introduced to these things it was first
of all I was introduced to the reporting
right so there was these these official
reports that we were getting from the
field there's official videos and and
whatnot um that describe Vehicles doing
things maneuvering in ways that frankly
outperform anything we have in our
inventory now keep in mind my background
was at some point in Aerospace so I I
knew all the capabilities of an F-16 or
for example a an F22 or the F35 um and
at the end of the day as advanced as
they are they they're still conventional
aircraft you know they still have the
old um there's a there's a an adage they
use for jet engines uh it it makes may
seem a little uh awkward here but uh
it's uh suck squeeze bang and blow uh
that's what a jet engine does forgive me
that's what it does you know so uh it's
a convention conventional type engine of
course you have a propeller too that can
can displace air and whatnot these
vehicles were different these vehicles
for the most part didn't have any type
of associated characteristic that you or
I or any normal person would associate
with with a plane with an airplane
aircraft right that but and yet it's
flying so how does an airplane work well
let's say this cigar for example is is
an airplane uh and there's four
fundamental forces and so you have
thrust lift drag and weight and if you
understand those you can create you can
build wings and you create lift and you
can fly then you have to have an engine
for that thrust and whatnot the things
that our our military Pilots were
encountering um didn't have that they
didn't have wings they didn't have
Rudders and ailerons and control
surfaces they didn't have cockpits they
they didn't have engin no obvious signs
of propulsion they were they were doing
things and maneuvering in ways that
frankly defied anything that that we had
in our inventory and we were pretty
certain the enemies didn't have either
our adversary didn't have these
Technologies either and even more
perplexing is that they were being
encountered over controlled us airspace
and over sensitive military
installations so you know from from that
perspective you've got a real you've got
a real National Security concern on your
hands so you said video MH what was the
do you remember the first thing that you
saw um boy there's so many you know I
think part of the the challenge is that
most people here in this country they're
familiar with the three videos right uh
that have been famously released by The
Pentagon go fast go fast gimbal Fleer
correct but those are those are the
least compelling of all the videos that
the government has those were
unclassified and so those were the ones
those were kind of the low hanging fruit
that could be released to the general
public there's stuff out there that's
like 4K ultra high definition right so
when you see something like that from a
a certain military platform or a certain
military Equity or an intelligence
collection platform um you have to look
at that and say well what what is that
what the hell is that more importantly
that data is being backed up by radar
data right so you've got you've got
Electro Optical data like gun camera
footage or pod or fle Fleer video and
then you've got radar data that's that's
that is actually confirming what the
video is picking up and then you've got
eyewitnesses that are also watching it
right so you've got trained trained
observers Pilots that that can recognize
the silhouette between an Su 22 and a
MIG 25 from 20 mil away and make a
split-second decision is it friend or
fro do I kill it or is it do I let it
live
and they're reporting it so you have now
you know three separate if you will
collection platforms that the human eye
being one of them you've got gun camera
footage and you've got radar footage all
describing the same event at the same
place at the same time under the same
circumstances right and so keep in mind
with my background as a former special
agent in Counter Intelligence if this
was in front of a jury you know I as
I've said before I think we're well
beyond reasonable doubt that's that is
something there I mean that is real
that's not an atmospheric aberration
it's not a you know anomaly that is that
is something there it's tangible so was
there an aha moment for you like the
first thing that you saw that you looked
at and you go what the
[ __ ] no like I said for me it was more
slow and gradual um I didn't what was
the first thing that you saw that made
you realize that there's something going
on here that defies conventional wisdom
or conventional understanding of
propulsion systems um I think for me one
of the most compelling moments was when
I
attended boy let me go back in memory
banks I attended a dinner uh with some
individuals who were already associated
with the the larger umbrella program
called assap um and I attended dinner at
a Washington DC hotel and a Brazilian
General attended uh this this dinner and
the dinner was um sponsored by a
gentleman named Robert Bigalow uh the
famous billionaire Hotel yeah I've met
him on the podcast yeah and and by the
way he's he's an American hero he's a
patriot uh he funed a lot he is
brilliant and he's and people don't
realize that he funded self-funded a lot
of this stuff on behalf of the US
government for by himself like he he
paid it to do it himself um he he really
is a you know an American Patriot in my
opinion but anyways he um flew in this
guy named General uchoa General Ucho was
a Brazilian General uh very very senior
in Brazilian government who led an
investigation uh about a um an event
that occurred over several days is this
the Virginia incident no it's actually
called Garis another in Brazil yeah and
the colaris incident and uh they had
overwhelming number of ey Witnesses and
there was even some some video and
photographs that they had produced
internally there to Brazil uh and um it
was overwhelming the evidence and for me
that was it was more listening to him
and explain the concern they had and
some of the interactions the their the
Brazilian government officials had with
these UAP that really I I left there
that that dinner scratching my head and
really at that point beginning to absorb
the profoundness that we're we're
dealing with something that like is real
this is not a cover plan for some other
technology we're trying to protect did
he show you this video evidence so he
was it was I was sitting at the kind of
like a table like this there was a whole
lot of people at the table he was
sitting at the head I was kind of
weighed down over here and he brought a
a manila envelope and he was showing
photographs to everybody right and and
some reporting as well I think he
brought if I recall correctly his
daughter to translate um because I don't
think English was his his you know very
good it wasn't his language um but for
me that was and I think for one of my
colleagues too which I probably can't
say his name right now because he hasn't
come out publicly yet but um we both
left that
dinner I think scratching our heads and
saying wow this is so this is legit this
is real the US government is interested
in this and there is interest by our
government um as after that dinner um
attending more meetings and beginning to
read the reports the field reports and
and speaking to the scientists it became
evident to me that this was a very
serious issue we had near misses uh over
some of our our our areas of operation
in some cases literally these these UAP
splitting a a combat formation now if
you know how planes fly they fly very
close in the combat situation um these
things were splitting the formation
right um that that there were reports
being being provided through the air
force mostly through the Navy uh about
air safety issues where where Pilots
literally could could run into these
things right they were they're they're
pervasive it wasn't like a onesie and
Tuesday was there ever an incident where
a pilot or a jet did run into something
not that I'm aware of what I can tell
you that there has been incidents where
there's appears to be some sort of
provocation where uh one of these things
seems to be coming deliberately close to
an aircraft not necessarily trying to
hit it but maybe trying to demonstrate
performance capabilities there was one
video in
particular um I haven't been cleared by
the Pentagon so let me see if I can
speak about it in gen general terms um
there's a pilot flying and a a a you can
hear on the radio this chatter back and
forth do you see it you have eyes down
on it pilot nope negative no eyes down
uh okay you should have on radar yeah I
got something on radar but no eyes I
can't see see it and then all of a
sudden um a a a craft an object goes
whizzing right by the cockpit and I mean
probably like 15t away uh and um you can
hear the pilot the expletives of the
pilot you know I won't see it here on
air but you can imagine right uh what
what a pilot would say when they're very
very surprised um that was one there's
there's can you describe what he saw I
think I can I want to be careful that I
don't because again I haven't had a what
I what I have appr to talk about I've
I've spoken about um let me preface by
saying I still have my security
clearance and on occasion I still will
consult for the US government and so I
want to be very mindful I I have no
problem going up all the way to the line
right understood but if I put up you
know a pinky toe over that line they're
they're going to get me um but it was a
wedge shaped craft wedge shaped wedg
shaped um like triangular but um um yeah
like a wedge like uh I don't know how to
describe it draw it for you if you want
um draw it sure you can yeah give me a
sec so just like a wedge that you would
like split wood with like that kind of a
wedge um yeah but it was it was silver
metallic and uh like a like a diamond
maybe that's a better way to describe it
like a diamond almost um and it looked
kind of like it look look kind of like
that really it's just a just a little
and that that kind of shape is something
that's been reported multiple times um
so that was the first time I ever saw
something like that to me it was keep in
mind I I never followed this topic so
every time I'm seeing one of these
videos I'm kind of seeing something for
the very first time so lenticular
whether it's a disc shaped craft or it's
it's a wedge shaped craft or a diamond
shaped craft or triangle shaped craft
boomerang in some cases um these were
all new to me so it was very very
perplexing and and obviously to our
military Pilots it was very concerning
and I think when you when you look at
some of the gold standard cases we had
like the nits for example that that that
case um you know you you have this
overwhelming number of sensors looking
at the same thing going on that the
pilots are reporting and for for me that
was most compelling like I said more
than I witness testimony is important
but at the end of the day you know
Grandma seeing some lights in her
backyard doesn't really do it for me you
know i' I'm I'm a fact oriented kind of
guy I've I've got to see the data let
the
data provide us the information we need
so then we can make a conclusion right
I'm not you know if you start seeing
UFOs in the sky everywhere well chances
are they're probably not you know
there's a quad copter it's a balloon
it's an aircraft it could be all sorts
of things um that's why I think from our
perspective having the the fundamental
categories the observables we call them
was so important because they are so
beyond what what a normal aircraft to
traditional conventional aircraft can do
at that point you realize you're you're
dealing with some some sort of Beyond
Next Generation technology and that's
when it gets compelling for for guys
like me right when you're when you're
seeing when you're seeing performance
capabilities that far exceed far surpass
anything we have and I'm talking even
the very very best technology we have we
don't come close to that and no visible
means of propulsion no or obvious signs
of lift right and not even a cockpit I
just you have to scratch your head and
say what's going on interestingly sh so
no windows no windows well in some cases
no windows other cases people will
report what they think are windows they
say I saw windows but at the end of the
day you know we're we're we're looking
that in terms of what we think a window
is right so you see a car you see
Windows oh or a plane those are
windows I didn't see any information to
suggest that there were actually Windows
even though an eyewitness might describe
a window because we are describing in
something of of something that we
recognize right and so we say oh that
might be a window or what not but it
might not be a window and so I I want to
very careful to to say there were no
windows there could have been but the
ones that I was privy to that I saw I
didn't see any obvious signs of like a
windshield or a window I didn't see
anything like that um I saw vehicles
that were doing things that were were
just left you scratching your head and
and they were real like I said because
you're you're you're backing it up with
all this other sensor data and some of
the best sophisticated sensor data by
the way at the time on the planet that
we had right like the Spy 1 radar and
the E2 Hawkeye and and some of the other
radar capabilities and Technical
capabilities that other intelligence
agencies have that I can't discuss here
you know that this this is the stuff
that that helps us put forgive the
analogy here but Warheads on foreheads
we when we're going to take a strike
against a terrorist these are the same
sensor systems we use to to to to
prosecute that war that that that act
um both in combat and not in combat so
yeah that's um that for me was was was
very compelling and it's lots and lots
of videos people think that there's only
three videos there there's those are
those those don't even scratch the
surface there're are hundreds and
hundreds of videos that that the
intelligence community and the
Department of Defense have on on these
things has there ever been any
discussion about releasing any of
these I don't want to speak on behalf of
the government I
I colleagues of mine like Chris melon
who have been very very very active in
this topic have actually been
responsible for a lot of what we see now
happening in Congress um has been
championing that he is the one who says
look we need more videos to come out so
the American people can see for
themselves what we've been dealing with
when I had Chris melon in the Pentagon
he saw those videos and up to that point
he you know he had been when he was a
senior person at the Pentagon like very
senior one of his jobs as the senior
intelligence official he asked hey do we
have any UAP UFO videos investigations
anything like that and they told him no
so when he came to the Pentagon and saw
what we actually did have you can
imagine someone like Chris melon right
he wasn't very happy um he was he was
actually pretty pretty disappointed
saying why why was I told no I can I can
see these videos clearly I see the
reports there clearly this is something
that we're interested in as a Department
of Defense And yet when I was one of the
senior guys he got the Heisman right he
was he was being being told no and so
that's that was I think a point for him
that really that's probably the SP and I
don't want to speak for my friend Chris
but I I I suspect that was probably the
spark that got him to the point where he
said okay we have to do something about
this this is this is this is BS yeah
when I was talking to him it seemed like
that was his perspective that this was
something that really should be in at
least in some way shape or form released
to the general public just to solidify
the conversation just to let people know
like these are real this is a real thing
these are not have you seen the one that
the people were filming uh just a couple
of days ago in Palmdale California yeah
I think they said those were drones
though if I'm not mistaken I think the
jury came out if I'm not mistaken I
could be wrong that it was a uh it was
somebody using drones with some LED
lights which by the way you do wild
things with drones now you seen the on
create images in the sky 100% dragons
and stuff with drones absolutely so you
know we have to be careful as our own
technology begins to advance there's
going to be pranksters out there you
know and that's one of the things that
for me in in in ATP I always went into
an investigation or a case assuming that
it was man-made right and until I saw
the compelling data that said otherwise
we were always going to assume or
presume that this was something that was
conventional it was probably
misidentified but it wasn't it wasn't
exotic um and then once the data
suggests otherwise then you kind of go
into that that that other mode of okay
now what what are we dealing with again
especially on the backdrop of the five
performance
observables that's when you start to say
okay yeah this is this is not a this is
not an F-16 you know this is not a this
is not a Chinese aircraft this is this
is something different right what is the
oldest video footage or film footage
that you have ever seen or heard
civilian or military doesn't matter like
what is the oldest where you it's like
okay what the [ __ ] is this what's the
oldest stuff that's
compelling the point is what I'm trying
to get at is a lot of people uh point to
the possibility that there's some sort
of a secret program some sort of secret
propulsion gravity based whatever it is
that's completely different than
conventional propulsion systems that the
US government has and that they're
operating these drones and the problem
with that is always the like the Kenneth
Arnold sightings the the Roswell the
sightings from a time where that
technology just wasn't available at all
Joe I'm so glad you asked me that
question it just so happens I brought
you something oh uh glasses come out you
know it's getting serious no just means
it means I'm old um me too yeah um I'm
going to provide you a document here um
it's a it's a short document but uh the
portions I think are highlighted that
you're going to want to pay attention
to and uh let's see here okay so if uh
this is just for you and if your
audience is interested um it's this
paragraph here you're going to want to
read and then it's the last one that's
highlighted and then take a look at the
date in the subject line This is it
right here Jamie brought it up here oh
great yeah so which one I paragraph six
right now so if you want to scroll down
to paragraph six go uh this summary of
observations of aerial phenomenon has
been prepared for the purpose of
re-emphasizing and reiterating the fact
that the phenomena have continuously
occurred in the New Mexico Skies during
the past 18 months and are continuing to
occur and secondly that these phenomena
are occurring in the vicinity of
sensitive military and government
installations and if you want to go back
to like paragraph two there you go the
highlighted part yeah The Observers of
The Observers of those phenomenon
include scientists Special Agents of the
office of special investigations the US
Air Force airline pilots military Pilots
Los Alamo security inspectors military
personnel and many other persons of
various occupations whose reliability is
not questioned and now scroll to the top
of the very top of that document and
that was it says that it was determined
above that the summary of observations
of aerial phenomenon in the New Mexico
area December 1948 to May 1950 and the
date of that document if you scroll a
little bit higher you are going to see
the date of that
memo 19 1950 yes sir May 25th 1950 it
says that the it was determined that the
frequency of unexplained eror phenomena
in the New Mexico area was such that an
organized plan of rep reporting these
observations should be undertaken right
so this is the beginning of Project Blue
Book so this is the the recognition that
we have a serious problem over our
sensitive military installations this is
nothing new this is not 1970s reverse
engineered technology or some sort of
special technology 1950 they're talking
about this we had just broken the sound
barrier and we had not yet entered into
space and we have these things that are
performing in ways that frankly we can't
replicate i' I brought a few more of
these later on to emphasize that point
you just brought up at some point if
you're interested yeah U but it
highlights that these are official
government documents uh Through official
government Personnel uh raising the
alarm Bells just like we did in in in
ASAP and atps and so this is nothing new
now let's if you want to look at this
from an adversarial perspective let's
our government has already said that's
not ours right if you look at a 1950
saber jet for example um
it wasn't even Supersonic and yet these
things that we are observing in some
cases are doing I brought some more
documents here multiples of of mock um
at at at and doing velocities and doing
things that we frankly could not do back
then and frankly we still can't do in
some cases but temporally speaking the
only two countries in the world may may
have a chance of doing something like
that would be Russia and China and now
in 1950 where was China was in the
middle of a famine at the time and where
was Russia Russia was uh trying to
develop the atomic bomb and still was
using H drawn carts uh for a lot of
their military operations So temporally
speaking it doesn't make sense this is
this is the analogy I've used before Joe
that it would be like uh sort of the
Carter going into King Tutt tomb for the
very first time in the 1920s discovering
King tutt's tomb and when he goes in he
finds a fully assembled 747 jet it it
doesn't make sense temporally speaking
they did not have that technology so is
it possible and I'll be very careful
what I say that the US government has
some sort of exotic technology well my
answer is I sure hope so because uh you
know we want to have an advantage over
our adversaries but in
1950 that wasn't the case right and do
they have any film of these crafts from
New Mexico there is film of many craft
and not just New Mexico per se but over
many military installation here I got
another one for you I'll provide you um
you don't want have to waste your time
reading it but the uh I think you'll
appreciate this um take a look at the
date of this and who it's to and who
it's from and I think you'll find the
subject line very
interesting okay which one um what part
of my reading here just to highlight a
portion so you can see the top of the
document who it's from who it's to in
the date and what the subject line is uh
director of
special investigate what does it say
it's it's hard because it's all scratchy
yeah it's an old reprod uction of
official government document bottom line
it's a it's a document uh from J edar
Hoover oh I see from the director of the
FBI Department of the Air Force the
Pentagon yeah Jed Kover director of
Federal Bureau of
Investigations and the subject read the
subject line of that
memo flying it's God it's God it's hard
to read because it's all screwy flying
discs I should say flying discs over the
Savannah it's a there's a
sensitive facility that we had where we
were doing uh Atomic uh development and
yeah flying disc reportedly seen the
vicinity of the something River plant
Savannah River plant yes sir okay that's
correct and so that's atomic energy yeah
and the date of that being you know 1952
right so so so this is an this is
verified this is that was released by
the government that is a those are all
official all these are official US
Government documentation
that anybody can pull up anytime they
want did they let you see any of these
ancient films these films from the 1950s
of these things so great question our
Focus was really more modern time it was
more like taking a picture of where we
are now I mean but wouldn't you want to
just like if you if you really think
this thing is from somewhere else the
best example of it definitely not being
ours is something from the 1950s right
sure and anecdotally that that's that's
great but keep in mind on the backdrop
of National Security when you go to a
general and clean this up the way crazy
it's like half the things are blotted
out and Scratchy um yeah that's Uncle
Sam for you um you know it when you go
to a general or you know it makes me
suspicious no you can find it I know I
know I know but it's just like yeah the
government released that I mean they
they they admit [ __ ] shitty old 1920
fact machine look at that remember they
were using typewriters back then too
right and they ink smears yeah blotchy
uh and I'm sure the original is probably
much much cleaner um but that's what the
government put out online for people to
review um so when you're going back to
to your qu answer your question when you
are going to a general or you're going
to a military leader about this topic if
you go back to anecdotal stuff like oh
this is something from 1950s they're not
interested they're like look what is
going on now what is what is the threat
now I've got a carrier strike group out
in the water I'm getting reports these
things are are are coming in and
interrogating the ship you know what I
want to see that I want to see the
videos I want to see the reporting I
want to see the what the the deck logs
and what the Commander says and I want
to know the pilots I want to talk to the
pilots the radar operators right that's
their focus they're not interested by
the way we've tried a few times and the
further back in time we go the less
interested they were so it was really
current yeah it was really the current
information what's going on now I'm not
interested in what happened they're just
taking a pragmatic approach yeah yeah
and it's you know it's understandable
from a military perspective a national
security perspective the other stuff is
interesting and from the general
Public's perspective you know they're
they're interested but from a national
security perspective they're like hey
man that was three decades ago you know
I need I need now so it's it is
understandable a little frustrating
because you want to you want to
demonstrate look boss this is this is
nothing new right this is this is a
repeated pattern that we're seeing here
um but they're more interested in the
here and now so do they have repeated
footage because you're saying three
decades but obviously we're talking
about 1950 do they have stuff from the
1980s stuff from the 1990s there was
reporting yeah and again I got to be
careful because some of that stuff I
haven't been cleared to talk about but
there there are report reports uh we
call foreign intelligence fi foreign
intelligence reports I can't say where
or who or anything like that but on
classified systems where we know without
a shadow of a doubt uaps were
encountered in other countries
adversarial countries why because we spy
on them and we know um again I can't say
how we know and and whatnot get in
trouble but just so we know this is not
a a United States phenomenon precisely
it is not a us only phenomen phen on and
in fact in other countries whether it's
in Latin America South America or in
Europe or Russia and China there is an
extreme interest in this topic in fact
that Chinese it was in the newspaper I
think it was the China Morning Sun they
have something called the five
continents initiative where allegedly
they were trying to broker a deal with
the United Nations that would allow
China to run all the UFO investigations
for the United Nations right so we also
know that Russia they've come out and
said yeah we're interested in this topic
there were some released old KGB footage
that showed Mig interactions with these
UAP and there's also in Latin America
you have the same thing if you go to
Latin America now they don't have the
same level of stigma and taboo
associated with this topic like we do
and so they talk freely about it they
they have no problem talking in fact
when I was in in the Patagonia area of
Argentina uh there is a near town called
B and Las lahas one of the chief of
police was telling me they have there's
an area there called called La Miranda
La Miranda means to see to view and they
call it that the town and because UAP
are so frequent there that local law
enforcement actually built an
observatory an observation post to look
at these things because they were so
frequent so this is not a new phenomenon
this is something that's been around for
quite a long time the problem is in my
opinion and I could be wrong but this is
my assessment the reason why it's so
difficult to have the conversation here
is because our government had placed so
much EMP empasis and interest trying to
stigmatize this topic that it almost
worked too well now we're at the point
where we should be having this
conversation and people still don't want
to because they think it's crazy you
think of tinfoil hats and you Elvis on
the mothership when in reality we're
talking about a real national security
issue I mean these things are here you
you have Joe you have a former Director
of National Intelligence Ratcliffe a
former director of CIA Brandon you have
former presidents all coming out and
saying yeah there's something to it it's
real right now what it is where it's
from and all that stuff I'm not sure
we're quite ready to go there yet but
the acknowledgement is hey man yeah this
is real it's not ours and we probably
should do something about it so if we go
back to the history of the debunking of
it you know like the Project Blue Book
stuff Jay Allen hinck after he had left
Project Blue Book he became a proponent
of UFO disclosure during Project Blue
Book he it was his job to essentially
dismiss everything and to come up with
some sort of a reason swamp gas Mass
hallucinations whatever it was to
attribute all these sightings to
something that was very easy to explain
did they ever is there any documentation
or any discussion of why they did that
why they chose to debunk everything yeah
my my understanding is you have to look
at where America was at the time they
were doing these investigations it was
at the height of the Cold War right and
you know despite what some people think
it the Cold War wasn't very cold at all
it was pretty hot and we had Russia and
the United States engaging in these
proxy wars neither side wanted to let
the other side know what we had and what
we didn't know right so if you have
these UAP coming in and out the last
thing you want to do is tell the other
side broadcast this is what we've
learned from it and more importantly
this is what we don't know about it
right and so both sides were keeping
this very quiet but there was an
interesting agreement at the classified
level uh believe in the late 60s where
there was this relationship with the
United States we were putting up our
Northern Tier radar system to detect uh
then Soviet Union icbms and they were
doing the same thing right because none
of us really trusted each other but we
trusted each other enough to say look
before you hit that button if you see
something coming over the horizon before
you hit that button and launch give us a
call because it might be a UFO right and
we don't want to start World War III
because either side mistakes a UFO for
for an ICBM and that's how serious they
took the topic I mean that's real that's
that's a real memo that that that
existed between the United States and
Russia so that's that is an indicator
how much both sides took this topic
seriously Jesus and so when Philip Corso
was dismissing all these different
things did they have anything any film
footage any any stuff from that time
from Project Blue Book that was like
definitively not
ours I'm not privy well I'm I'm aware of
the fact that people say it does exist
and people have been briefed on it I
wasn't privy to that I was again more
focused on the here and now I was aware
of people who had attended certain
meetings very senior level meetings
where that was discussed where they saw
certain footage but that's I'm hearing
that secondhand I I did not see the old
footage my my focus was more on the on
the current what's going on now but back
to your point why was this effort to try
to create so much stigma and taboo I
think it was because of that I think
because you had Russia and us had this
weird stalemate where neither one wanted
to tell the other side what we know and
what we didn't know about UAP and and
the Really the I think the focus from a
national security perspective let's say
you're a general and I'm a general look
we've got a real cold war going on here
right now as long as these things aren't
coming in and zapping my people that's
going to be my focus right now that's
that's a real Potential Threat that I
have to deal with now I've got Russia
pointing nukes at me and I'm pointing
nukes at them at any time we could
launch let's focus on that more so than
the other stuff and that was that is
that has been my observation on why they
didn't want to address the the the the
problem the challenge openly with the
general public back and they also were
worried there was a there was several
studies that suggested that most people
would be very uncomfortable with that
idea that there's something else in the
cosmos potentially or even right here on
Earth and that it would create some sort
of societal disruption right they didn't
want to cause Panic they were afraid
that people would kind of like think of
a run on Wall Street right when people
get panicked they do kind of strange
things sometimes and I think the
government was very worried about that
what's the most compelling modern thing
that you've seen oh my God I can't talk
about it unfortunately that's what's
that's this is my frustration Joe
because I know what I've seen I know
what my colleagues have seen right and
to this day there's there's video that's
coming in on a regular routine basis
that is very very compelling and if if
how do they hide this stuff from the
general public well we have classified
systems we hide a lot but how is it how
is it getting filmed is any of it
getting filmed by the general public or
is all this military stuff so let me
backtrack a little bit this there is
there there's a general public that is
filming stuff but from a Department of
Defense perspective our Focus Now Arrow
is a different story but when I was in
the government we had to be very very
careful of something we called
intelligence oversight back in the 60s
and 70s the us intelligence apparatus
particularly in the Department of
Defense was kind of naughty they were
doing things they shouldn't do they were
spying on students and they were spying
on American citizens and doing things
yeah Say It Isn't So um so Congress
passed some laws and said okay you you
can no longer do this kind of stuff on
on on on American citizens right you
can't conduct intelligence operations on
American citizens you can't do it it's
illegal right so you have executive
order 123 and all these other rules and
laws and DOD 52401 that all come out and
say no Moss um so Department of Defense
is supposed to focus on Military that's
it you don't you don't bring in US
persons information and ingest them into
a Department of Defense database
especially a Department of Defense
intelligence database that's a super no
no that's called us persons information
and it's pretty much for boten so uh our
Focus was looking specifically at
military sourced information I was not
focusing at all on what the private
citizens were seeing because at the end
of the day we couldn't use it you can't
you can't do anything with and it seems
like you got plenty of compelling
footage from the military overwhelming
overwhelming it's it there's absolutely
no doubt that we didn't have to look at
civilian data because we had better
collection sensor systems from the
military that was looking at stuff and
giving us better Insight if you you
can't tell us about can you give us some
sort of an understanding of like what
you're talking about yeah sure
um without being specific yeah let me
see um
okay yeah um there is a uh a video high
resolution
video of uh I can't say what platform it
was taken from I can't say where it was
taken from but um an object that you
know do you know how large a u an
offshore shore oil Derek is they're huge
right they're like almost like a small
city right they're like one city block
they're huge they're enormous things um
there is a video that shows one of these
objects under
water that goes by uh the speed was
calculated between 450 and 550 knots
underwater and it was bigger than the
offshore Derek that it was passing
because you could see in the video the
offshore Derek and you could see this
thing zip right by
it Jesus yeah so that's a lot of them
right A lot of them are reported as
being trans medium right so that exactly
why why do we use the term UAP right now
it's Uniden ified anomalous phenomenon
because it's all domain initially was
UFO unidentified flying object and for
several reasons they changed the name
one of them not just because of stigma
like people think but because the word
flying object means flight and you have
to have wings to fly that's flight and
these things don't have wings so that
term we're not even sure is even
accurate anymore because they're not
necess just flying we see them
underwater we see them super high
altitude uh so the term was changed to
unidentified aerial phenomenon on but
again that did not Encompass all the
observations we were seeing so now the
term UAP I think the latest description
of it as unidentified anomalous
phenomenon to help describe this
multi-domain or trans medium
characteristic that we are beginning to
see and record that these things can do
and that's that is I'm going to if I can
digress for a second because that's
super important Joe we have trans medium
Vehicles right we have things like C
planes and it's a plane and it can float
on water but let's face it a SE plane is
neither a really good plane or a really
good boat because it's a compromise it's
a design compromise between an object
that you want to perform in the air and
in the sea and that's why it's neither
really good at both um same thing with
for example the space shuttle goes out
into space and it can glide down but
it's not a very good airplane comes down
like a brick you know right cuz there's
design compromises and performance
compromises but what we are seeing
doesn't have any of that attributable
compromise it's not these objects aren't
slowing down they're not changing their
their their their performance
capabilities they can do the same thing
that we're seeing in the air and and and
possibly in space and and even
underwater so that is a that is a
fundamentally different type of
Technology than we are used to dealing
with is the assumption that they are
doing something with space time and
gravity around
them rather than using something like a
a jet propulsion engine that blasts fire
out the back and it makes it go fast
forward right that they're doing
something that alters the gravity around
them yeah and that's why they can go
through everything yeah so we had had
some of the best scientists on the team
uh folks like Dr halud off and some
other folks that I'm not allowed to say
their names uh Dr AR Davis and some
others that were doing the calculations
um mathematical calculations on on how
this is possible and
the consensus was by by the scientists
not me because you I'm not a I'm not a
physics expert I'm not a astrop
physicist um they were saying that so
let me back up here initially the
government for years was trying to
identify the different exotic
technologies that could explain the
different performance
characteristics and it was during the
eight appears that the scientists had
this consensus that if you had one type
of Technology if you could do one thing
all these other observables now become
possible kind of think of like a
unifying Theory and so if you had the
ability to to create this bubble around
you in a localized area that insulated
you from the effects of Earth's gravity
now what is gravity people think that
you know when I drop my glasses that's
gravity that's not gravity that's an
effect of gravity gravity is the warping
of space time and that's important
because people don't you hear the thrown
around a lot but they don't realize that
space and time are actually connected
they are they are they are one and the
same they're opposite sides if you will
of the same coin and so you can't have
one without the other and so you have
this ability to create a bubble around
you that insulates you from the warping
of SpaceTime let's say in this case
Earth's gravity or something like that
then the way you experience time inside
that bubble is perhaps fundamentally
different than the way you might
experience space was time outside that
bubble because you're not you're not
subject to the effects of gravity which
would explain potentially potentially
why things don't need wings and why they
don't need propulsion systems like that
right so it's it's a completely
different way of looking at at how we
understand physics and how we as humans
move about everything we do is
fundamentally Force equals mass time
acceleration f equals ma right mass
times acceleration get Force um this may
be something a little bit different this
is this is not using a again
conventional thrust or if I you know
neonian right if I if I push this way I
have an equal and opposite reaction that
way right that's how are there any
theories as to how it's accomplishing
this there is actually Dr halud off
about three years ago gave a speech on
this uh a very uh interesting talk
lecture about this technology and if you
ever have the chance you really should
have him on because he's a he's a he's
incredible being he's also the one who
helped start the government's remote
viewing program and a bunch of other
stuff for the government um he's been
involved in a lot of our nation's
probably most most classified efforts
but he was working with us on on ATP he
as one of our scientists and he gave a
lecture about three years ago to some
other scientists about the specifics on
how this is possible I am not a
scientist so I definitely not going to
speak on behalf of Hal pudol because I'm
sure I will muck it up but I do recall a
time when he came into our skiff and
gave us about a three-hour like
on this unifying Theory and at that
moment it was very much for us the
Epiphany that a lot of us had been been
searching for he's like look at the end
of the day this is how it's possible and
that was kind of this wow so it's really
not can you give us a morons view of How
It's Possible like explain it to someone
like me yeah well I'm in that category
Joe
so we speaking the same language sir
yeah single syllable grunts right um
yeah so you have uh you have an object
like this cup on your table and you want
it to um be insulated from the effects
of Earth's gravity so you you create
this bubble artificially using a uh a
certain energetic Source at a certain
frequency and it interacts with certain
material certain meta material and I
have again I got to be careful exactly
what I say but uh certain skin of The
Craft This aluminum V cup here and all
of a sudden you have this bubble around
you where what you see on the outside is
not necessarily what you see on the
inside in fact may may do little more
drawing for you okay forgive me I'm I'm
not an artist so I'm going to do this
upside down for you and then I'm G to
kind of scoot this just a little here
all right um let's do
this
so unfortunately I know your audience
can't see this but actually it's
probably that's okay some people can
there's a video form of it I'm sure this
will get on it'll be on YouTube as well
it's probably good that they don't cuz
I'm not an artist but let's say say this
is a um two-dimensional
representation of a three-dimensional
space okay and in
essence so what you've done is
essentially you created a
threedimensional looking grid stacked it
look like stacked boxes on top of each
other yeah right and so you have this
you have location a and location B and
let's say go from Los Angeles to
Baltimore and it takes me five hours to
fly at 500 mph that's a function of
distance over time and in essence you
can mark that linearly like this so I
fly takes me five hours there I am okay
if you had the ability to compress
SpaceTime and not a lot just a little
bit and you were able to allow these
points to be a little closer
together now in essence what took you
let's say 5 hours and 500 mil an hour to
do it um you can do it in one hour and
you can do it uh in much less time but
to The Observer outside because we're
still in the same universe we would see
something like that we would see this
incredible hopscotching ability uh to to
if you will um take a shortcut through
space time and so what would appear to
be instantaneous acceleration Hypersonic
velocity and other things um now becomes
a reality and so that is that is
fundamentally um what what the
scientists had discovered and so it
seems like science fiction but when you
understand the mathematics and some of
the theorem that theyve proposed a lot
of these other observables become
possible so these are essentially just
uh theoretical explanations of how these
things are moving yeah and I'm again I'm
not I'm not not a scientist I want to be
very careful you know I don't want to
misrepresent anything there's a whole
lot of other stuff that if you can do
that all of a sudden now makes sense and
may describe the observations that
people are are are seeing and why
they're kind of hard to see and they
seem obscure right um and so I think
from from a from a governmental
perspective that it was kind of a
revelatory moment uh for for for the
folks in our in our program so they
realize the one of the reasons why these
things are weird looking is because
they're literally they're creating want
to light do you mind I'm sorry take this
thank
you
so the back thing uh the other side ah
push that down there you go
Bam
um thank you very much no problem so how
how much of this is theoretical and how
much of this is observed from recovered
vehicles I am not allowed to talk about
what the government may or may to have
in its possession other than that um I
have I I so I went through a very
lengthy pen pagon review process
recently I I I wrote I won't talk about
it here but I wrote something and um I
had to go through Pentagon to have a
review process and it took almost a year
um in this this thing I wrote um I I I
talk about up to the leg up to the part
I can talk about and they approved for
me to talk about up to that point when
it comes to what the government may or
may not have in his possession all I can
simply say is that um there is very
compelling evidence to suggest that the
US government is in abs abolute
possession of exotic material that is
not made by humans now beyond
that I can't really expound upon I
haven't been given permission to talk
about it but what I can say is what I've
already said for the record which is
been approved by the
Pentagon well get in trouble by saying
it m is that that that we are there's
very
compelling data to suggest that we are
in possession of why is the Pentagon
teasing us why do they tell you why are
they allowing you to say we are in
possession of something that was not
made by human beings but not allowed to
elaborate not allowed to show these very
compelling videos that you're talking
about that you've seen I don't well two
reasons I don't think they have a choice
I think with now the introduction of
cell phones and ring cameras the cat's
out of the B it's it's the wars kept
secret at this point two there is a
faction unlike before in the Cold War I
believe there is a faction of people
inside the government that do want this
conversation to occur but equally
there's still a faction of people that
are very mad with me they do not want me
having this conversation and mark my
words just by me being on your show it
is going to cause an absolute storm
inside the Pentagon and I am sure uh the
other shoe is going to drop I promise
you it's G to you're going to hear all
sorts of stuff people make stuff up
about me trying to discredit this topic
because as many people are in the
government that want this topic to be
discussed now there's still some people
that do not want this convers could you
Steelman their
position say say again Steelman their
position meaning could you argue it from
their perspective like why what would be
a good reason to keep this stuff quiet
sure um and I want to preface here I'm
not I'm not fearmongering no I don't
think you are but um look if I was if I
was a military person right I would look
at this from the perspective of there's
three
options they're good they're neutral or
they're bad so let's go down this road
for a second let's say they're good
right well we got nothing to worry about
the problem is there's no nothing to
suggest that they truly are benevolent
people say well you know they're like
they don't want us to Nuke ourselves
well you know I discuss it in and and
what I wrote that there's no there's no
there's no data to suggest that they
they didn't stop us from dropping atomic
bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and
vaporizing 500,000 living Souls they
didn't stop us when we started
developing nuclear weapons from the
atomic age they didn't stop the
proliferation of nuclear weapons they
didn't stop the de the testing in the
Nevada range of of of atomic and nuclear
weapons and now how many countries have
Atomic weapons and nuclear weapons a lot
right um they didn't stop Chernobyl they
didn't stop Fukushima they didn't stop
Three Mile Island so to say that they're
here to help us I'm not sure there's
there's data people say well you know in
in in Min not and and in North Dakota
and Montana they the UFOs came in and
they stopped they they interfered with
our nuclear weapons and they brought the
entire Echo flight offline which by the
way I have the government report on that
if you want it um but in Russia a lot of
people don't know they turned them on
right so that's equally scary they're
interfering with our nuclear capability
whether to attack or to defend ourselves
so when you say they turned to man in
Russia this is a a Russian report yeah
so this is a I don't know if you
remember
the hearing Congressional hearing that
occurred last year where the DAV grush
nope the other one with under secretary
defense for intelligence Ronald mtry and
some people from the Navy and I think it
was Congressman Gallagher that asked the
very specific question and he said are
you aware of uh UFOs interfering with
our nuclear capabilities and the
response was something like no I'm not
really familiar with it never heard of
it and then the question was I think re
asked specifically at these locations
and the government's response was no not
familiar with it well here's the actual
report report from the Department of
Defense this is the actual intelligence
report that was released through Foya
there's a there's a gentleman out there
uh who runs a site called The Black
Vault his name is John Greenwald he's
probably the world Authority on Freedom
of Information Act and he has a wealth
of data that is out available to the
public that he has received from the
government this is one of those
documents this is the document that our
own government has no idea apparently
exists I like how they write it in all
caps yeah yeah that's the the old
reporting so obviously there's some
people that don't want this to be
released and obviously there's some
people that think that the the general
public has a right to know I believe so
that's that's my that's been my
observations and my experience well that
makes sense you know I mean like when
everybody says the CIA does this like
okay who who in the CIA I didn't finish
though the other part right so if
they're not here for friend if they're
not it's not friendly right that leaves
them neutral like us right or or
benevolent benevolent now from military
perspective and I just want to caveat I
don't agree with this but I can respect
the understanding you sir are a general
and I say to you and I
say we cannot prove that they're not
here to do something bad but what we do
know is that they can interfere they
they're very interested in our on our
military capabilities and they have
interfered with our nuclear capabilities
right from a military perspective that
looks an awful lot like something we
call ipb Initial preparations of the
battle space or perhaps even ISR
intelligence surveillance and
reconnaissance whenever we're going to
go into a foreign country and invade we
do long range surveillance we want to
know how the enemy operates how they
react so even if there's a 2% chance 5%
chance that these things are are here to
do something malevolent right then we
probably should not tip our hands to the
fact that we are aware of it publicly
because what happens the moment that the
bad guys in a foreign country find our
surveillance team over the Border we've
got 12 hours we got we got to invade
because the element of surprise is now
over so some may feel on the government
the mere fact of acknowledging this if
there is some sort of Mal intent may
push up artificially a clock that exist
somewhere for these things to say uhoh
okay the the the the foolish humans are
now the the cat's out of the bag they
know where where we're here we need to
go in now for whatever reason they may
have so that is the military mindset
potentially of some of these individuals
who want to keep this secret because so
they're worried about an actual Invasion
well but but they have to be that is
that is the role of of our national
security apparatus right even if there's
a 1% chance right they have to consider
that in their planning and in their
decision M making Matrix so again going
back to what I said I respect that I
don't agree with it but I can respect
that if that is the reason why then I
would say okay look in your heart you
really do have the best interests of the
American people you are a patriot I can
accept that again I don't think it's
your decision to make I think it needs
to go to Congress I think it needs to go
to the president let the American people
decide I think I I think America can
handle the truth I think America
deserves the truth and let the American
people decide if if it's in their best
interest to know I AG with you but I
also can see it from their perspective
like they're probably insanely busy
already and the last thing they want to
do is get involved in this thing where
now they have a PR campaign when they're
trying to let people know about this
thing and not cause mass panic that's
right that's right but you know what
though I'm also very optimistic Joe
because you and I are having this
conversation and people aren't making a
run on Wall Street people are still
paying their mortgages going to PTA
meetings and and after the 2017 New York
Times report which was uh probably one
of the the biggest moments in UFO
disclosure because it was in the New
York Times and then you see something
like that in the New York especially New
York Times in 2017 people really
respected it it's like this is right
this is a real story well and this is
this is a political I mean how many
topics can you go to to Congress and
have that's not polarizing right this is
one of the only ones where you can have
literally have congressman bersett and
and and congresswoman AOC side by side
agreeing that this this is important
right this is this is it's a very rare
opportunity and so you know my concern
I'm doing this because I I believe it's
the right thing to do and my concern is
that we're at a point now where I've
said before you know Secrets aren't like
a fine wine where the long longer you
keep a cork on it the better it gets I
think secrets are perishable I think
they have a shelf life I think they're
like vegetables in your refrigerator and
there comes a point where if you leave
them there too long they start to rot
and they start to stink and it becomes a
big mess to clean up right and so that's
my perspective and what I'm trying to do
is give the government an ability to
work its way out of a corner that it's
put itself into for the last several
decades and with no seeming way out
right they look around like how do we
get ourselves out of this trick is there
an issue of legality like of of spending
and like 100% 100% there's people that
would be liable for not being
straightforward with Congress and I know
people want their pound of Flesh I know
there's people out there you we've been
lied to for decades and I want and then
they make it a political issue and they
go after someone for yeah and I think
that's the wrong approach I think you
know there was a time where we needed to
keep this secret and I think what you do
is you you you give those guys Awards
give those guys and gals Awards who who
did it don't don't make them enem
make them friends and say okay look but
those were different times now is the
time to to to come clean talk to the
members of Congress talk for all the
past sins make prosecution 100% and
let's just get clear with all this and
understand that it was all in good faith
that you did it in the first place 100%
now all in the interest of the United
States security you talk about legal
issues the problem is there are the real
legal issues so let's say you have again
these cups forgive my analogies um you
have two aerospace companies company a
company B and let's say I am in the
Department of Defense back in the 50s
60s and I come across this interesting
technology I have no idea what the hell
it is it just came out of the sky and I
go to company a and I said tell me what
you can figure out about that right
right 10 years later company a becomes a
multi-billion dollar Aerospace company
company B goes bankrupt 200 people lose
their jobs and now people who have stock
investors in that company lose their
money right Fair Advantage keep in mind
you're supposed to have Fair competition
in the US government so if you give an
unfair advantage to company A to B
you're talking a serious liability
there's SEC violations there there's all
sorts of concerns one has to pay
attention to because someone somewhere
gave an unfair advantage to one company
over another so there there's there are
legal liabilities that we have to we
have to recognize it's not just
clear-cut okay forgive and forget you
know there's going to have to be some
some additional protection uh and and
understanding for if if that occurred we
need to figure out how we deal with that
as well so that would be an impediment
to release that makes a lot of sense
yeah these are big companies right with
really deep pockets and a lot of lawyers
well I mean also this is a discussion
that we've had on here before if you did
find something who would you bring it to
you bring it to the people that build
your [ __ ] Jets like hey guys what the
hell is this like you know you make some
sort of a top secret agreement you you
bring it to them and some sort of uh
undisclosed facility secured best and
bright bring the guys in and go what the
[ __ ] is this thing yep yeah you kind of
have to otherwise like how what else
would you do you know I mean how else do
you find out how these things work and
if you were going to do it in a
secretive ma manner you would have to
bring it to defense contractors because
those are the only people that are
capable of making things they make your
jets they make they make the you know
every stealth bomber every whatever the
[ __ ] it is they make all that [ __ ] going
back to you know a colleague of mine
made the comparison he said look Lou
imagine being uh during the days of Da
Vinci and all of a sudden bringing Da
Vinci a garage door opener you have no
idea what it's used for right you never
seen plastic before and you don't even
understand electromagnetic radiation
right and and and infrared you know
where do you start on the analysis and
exploitation of a technology that the
physics hasn't even been discovered yet
right I mean garage door openers seem
like magic right it really does you know
I press a button and a door opens like
magic wait where's the horse where's the
strings where right yeah it's kind of
bananas you press a button on your car
and all a sudden your door opens right
and you drive in and you press another
button and it closes and it's all done
through the air right which is bananas
magic but we're just accustomed to it
that's right yeah so this kind of
Technology um I'm sure you're aware of
the Bob Lazar story I'm aware I I don't
know I've never met him so you never got
into that I've I did not how could you
not with your line of work because you
know I I always wanted to be insulated
from prejudicing the jury and I know it
sounds kind of strange but I didn't ever
you know it's it it's it's kind of
something I impose on myself because I
didn't want to have any preconceived
notions of going in most people kind of
I suspect would be tempted to say well
I'm going learn everything I can about
you know UFO lore I wanted the opposite
you're a better man than me I well all
of them [ __ ] chasing that [ __ ] down you
know I think um I just I I just wanted
to be very very careful to preserve the
investigative Integrity right and we're
look we're all humans we're all biased
that's there's no way around it we all
have some degree of bias let's let's be
honest and truthful here it doesn't
matter what type of bias it is we all
have some sort of bias somewhere whether
it's food or it's the people you like to
date or whatever um I wanted to avoid
that as much as possible and so I I
always kept it very very focused on here
and now and you know what what can we
see today right you're aware of the
story though right the basic
tangentially I that that he worked at a
particular facility and at that facility
he was exposed to some sort of uh UAP
technology that thing right that thing
that thing right there the sport model
and that he was brought in um as a
propulsions expert and to try to they
didn't know how it exactly worked but
they they sort of just said tell me what
this is Roger and then along the way he
realized oh this isn't even ours yeah
I'm I'm aware of again the the
overarching story I I don't know any of
the details and I've I've never met him
personally so I'm he a very very
interesting guy I had dinner with him
with my friend Andrew Schultz and Jeremy
Corbell we uh we went to dinner and you
know informally talked and had a
fascinating conversation and Jeremy's a
great guy he's a great guy yeah he's
he's really you know he's done a lot to
he said to say hi
hi he's pumped that we're talking yeah
he's done a lot he's a UFO nut and he
got me really way back in with his
documentary um Bob Lazar flying saucers
whatever whatever the actual title of it
is but that that documentary is
fantastic and it's essentially going
over Bob lazar's story from the 1980s to
today which he's told the exact same
story which is nuts that you have one
giant lie your whole life like come on
there's a lot of weirdness to the story
obviously um like there is with
everything there's a lot of people that
want to discredit his um his background
and all sorts of other things but the
reality of what he's saying is
essentially what we're seeing in these
crafts which is very strange so he
described how these things worked and
how they moved and how they would turn
sideways and sort of like project this
whatever
this reactor that they have inside of
them and he he talked about this element
Element
115 they have a stable version of it
that was uh essentially is theoretical
at the time in 1980 no one no one really
knew whether or not that thing actually
even exists ' 89 whatever it was and
that they would douse this thing project
radiation upon it and it would create
this warp this gravity warp this this
thing that allowed this this craft to
move in ways that defied our
understanding hell a hell of a lucky
guess hell of a lucky guess hell of a
lucky guess in 1989 wow and he drew it
he his diagrams of what this thing
looked like and you know how it worked
and and it essentially looked exactly
like that little model that's on the
desk there and that he felt like the
whole it didn't make any sense he said
the whole thing it didn't have any seams
which now we understand 3D printing
right so now we know that we can
actually given but only now not back
then right I mean everything had rivets
you know the skin of a craft was the
skin of an aircraft had rivets and had
nuts and bolts and exactly you know but
now you know obviously now we have
carbon fire we have a bunch of different
ways of constructing things but back
then he didn't know what the [ __ ] that
thing was he said it looked like it had
all been melted like into place like
that it been like almost like Smooth
like Wax like melted wax and that it had
no instrumentation inside of it and it
was designed for very small things like
something that was like 3 feet tall and
that all these things seemed to operate
through the the being itself had some
sort of connection to the craft some
sort of strange way of interfacing with
the craft that didn't have anything to
do with pulling levers and moving things
but Joe is that really that much of a of
a of a stretch let's let's look at this
you know we have we've done experiments
where we've had Pilots be able to
control aircraft thousands of miles away
with a helmet that interprets thought
right right so it's you know again how
do the helmet inter is it similar to
like a neuralink setup have you seen the
new video of the second neuralink
patient I I have not this's video of him
playing Counterstrike
is it counter- strike or is it uh is
that it so counter- strike which is a
very popular online 3D game and this guy
who does not have use of his body has
this neuralink implant he's the second
neuralink patient and apparently with
each iteration it gets more and more
sophisticated and and better so this is
a from this person's point of view he's
playing this video game entirely with
his mind better than I can with my my
well better than anybody can can was the
first guy who the first neuralink
patient we had him on and he said
essentially is like having an Aimbot
because you you don't miss you look at
the thing you're trying to shoot at and
instantaneously your crosshairs go there
wow yeah so he's all this stuff is
taking place
entirely this is all him doing this
entirely with his mind but is is that
right so if we can do that now right
right is it really that far of a stretch
to think that you know someone who's a
little more advanced than us right
friends from out of town realize that's
the way to do it that's more efficient
right the the speed of the processing of
the brain the processes of the brain is
much F takes us longer to then have to
mechanically use our hands and
manipulate and do things this is almost
not quite but almost instantaneous uh
you don't have that lag right right of
course and so that would certainly make
sense um you know Modern Warfare not the
game but actual Modern Warfare is
beginning to turn to that and we're
using Ai and all these other
augmentation to enhance performance and
so I I don't think that's out of the
realm of of possibility no certainly not
I mean just go from garage door openers
to you know 500 600 years ago to today
and then cell phones the ability to send
video across the world instantaneously
all all the sophisticated stuff that we
just completely take for granted because
it's become a normal part of our
everyday life that that's you know I
used to I used to give a briefing to
some folks
um I'm so glad you mentioned this
because it's this goes back to the whole
stigma taboo issue I used to have a
slideshow and still have it somewhere
and I would I would discuss the word the
the Latin word prefix of par p a r a and
it means above or beside and so what I
would do is show I would say the word
parachute and I'd ask people what do you
think of when you hear the word
parachute and people would describe
obviously something that deploys over
your head and hopefully hit the ground
with a with a thump and not a thud right
uh but something that's normal we use
every day and then I say what about the
word paramedic and then people people
would look at it and say well I think of
a first responder someone good some you
know some sort of medical Lifesaver
that's going to going to be there for
your benefit and then I say the word
when I say the word paranormal what do
you think and people will stop for a
second maybe they kind of give you a
little Sly smile and they say what do
you mean I said what do you mean I mean
that paranormal the the only reason why
you're reacting the way you are because
you've been conditioned that the word
paranormal is is cookie stuff when in
reality in science by definition
everything is paranor normal until it
becomes normal the cell phone that I use
every day 50 years ago absolutely
paranormal and so I would go through
this exercise of things that were once
considered paranormal for example when
the Inca first saw the Spaniards the
conistor coming from the the
reconquering they saw them on the shores
of the beach and they saw these these
humans in armor riding on a horse and
they assumed because they never seen a
horse before they assumed it was a
single entity it was a single Monster
and that for them was paranormal they
didn't understand it is actually human
riding on a horse with you know metal
skin same thing with acupuncture I
remember a time when I was growing up as
a kid people thought Eastern medicine
acupuncture was nonsense well now at the
Veterans Administration the VA for some
of my guys in combat they actually
prescribe acupuncture as therapy it's
not paranormal right and so there's all
these examples in history where we think
something is kooky and weird when in
reality it's not it's just we don't
understand it yet and we have done such
a good job of stigmatizing this
conversation that the moment you even
say the word paranormal or you say the
word UFO or anything like that people
are conditioned without even thinking
about it's reflexive to react a certain
way and we have to first deprogram
ourselves first a little bit before we
can start moving forward okay let's how
do we destigmatize this conversation
well first of
all what's cooki you know what what what
do you think is cooky about something
that's in our airspace that's performing
in ways that we can't replicate you know
that people say well you know we wait a
minute we spend Millions if not billions
of dollars putting a probe on Mars to
try to find microbial life and by the
way it looks like that might happen it
looks like they're actually may be some
evidence that suggest that we spend lots
of money trying to find techno
signatures of intelligent life radio
signatures in our own Milky Way right
well is it possible within the 4 and a
half billion years our planet's been
here that maybe intelligent life maybe
found us first is it possible could be
you know we we we have to stop putting
these these limitations Joe when I was
when I was in the medical program uh
when I was learning to be microbi
microbiology and Immunology in college
um we learned from our professor that
homo sapiens sapien as a modern species
has been around roughly between 100,000
to 200,000 years now I'm not an expert
but that's that's what they say it was
only the Greeks 2,000 years ago that
introduced the idea that there's only
two types of life forms on this planet
and either you are either a a plant or B
you're an animal and it wasn't the last
300 years so if you look at a 24-hour
clock roughly the last 5 minutes in the
24 hours towards midnight we discovered
another form of life that is neither
plant nor animal that's been here with
us on this planet and that is the world
of fungus during the Renaissance uh and
the days of Newton we discovered that
there was this other life form we've
been sharing all along and we so we Pat
ourselves on the shoulder and it wasn't
the last 120 years think about it the
last 10 seconds of our existence on this
planet so to speak in a 24-hour clock as
a modern species we actually discovered
the true dominant life form on this
planet and in fact if you take all the
biomass of every plant and the biomass
of every animal and the biomass of every
fungus and add it all up together it
still will not equal the biomass of this
hidden Kingdom of life that's actually
the life form on this planet and that
wasn't until we were able to curve glass
and look through a little steel tube and
famously shout little beasties little
beasties did we discover the world of
microorganisms that yes live inside of
you and yes live on the skin of the ISS
space station yes live miles underneath
the arctic ice right that is the true
dominant life form on this planet and it
always has been and it wasn't in the LA
until the last 120 years we discovered
that so is it possible that there's
something else that is just as normal to
this world is it possible well the
answer is a resounding yes of course
it's possible because we're always
discovering new new new new ways life
can exist when I was growing up as a kid
I was told absolutely as a matter of
fact all life form is derived from
photosynthesis ultimately when you go
all the way down it turns out that's not
true it wasn't until we discovered the
in the deepest deepest depths of our
oceans where these things called black
smokers we discovered there are
creatures that thrive with no light and
they Thrive off of something called
chemosynthesis a completely different
way to metabolize energy to sustain life
right so every time we put mother nature
in a little box she always finds a way
to wiggle her way out and I think that's
important when having this conversation
because if there's one thing we know as
human beings we're usually wrong at
first well we exist and we do send
things to other planets we do send
things into space it only makes sense
that's something far more intelligent
than us that would be doing that and if
they did they'd probably watch an
emerging civilization which is
essentially what we are right in in like
you said 200,000 years which is nothing
the existence of homo homo sapiens
they've gone from things that use stones
and Flint map to things that can fly
things through the air I mean if you
look at Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright
when they flew the first airplane you go
from that to the Apollo 11 launch that's
only like what 50 years that's right
something crazy like that that's right
that's nuts right and you just take that
and everything moves exponentially you
take that and you would imagine a
civilization that's been around 10,000
years longer than us 100,000 years
longer a million years longer than us
something that doesn't exist how about a
100 years we have evolved more in the
last 150 years than we have in the last
150,000 years I so you know and then you
have the other other from me I find when
people say well the space is so huge and
and you know is it possible that things
are coming from outer space my my
response has always been the same look I
I don't know where they're from I I just
know that they're here and and could
they be from outer space sure they can
be from Inner Space or even the space in
between and and I say that because the
universe is far more complex than than
we give it credit for every time you
know there was a time we had Newtonian
physics we thought that was a solution
then all all of a sudden Einstein comes
along and we realize that weight space
and time are actually connected and then
Everything's Relative and all of a
sudden now you have quantum mechanics
which is you know this spooky action at
a distance right where the whole
universe is behaving in a way that it
shouldn't and yet that looks like the
real way the universe works um I I often
tell people we are as humans we we have
five only five fundamental senses that
we can base our reality upon and if you
can't touch it taste it hear it smell it
Etc we can't interact with it and so
where I live in Wyoming we have these
beautiful night skies kind of kind of
like you have here uh in your in your
studio here uh 300 days of unoccluded
night skies and as beautiful as those
night skies are if you were to look at
that same portion of the night sky
through a radio telescope you would see
a whole different reality around you
you'd see nebula and you'd see things in
different Spectra that we can't pick up
you pick an UltraViolet and infrared so
you would see a whole different reality
just like our cell phones right if you
could see in cell phone vision and see
in Wi-Fi and 5G and GPS you would
interact with your environment
completely different because you would
see reality so we can only interact with
a very small sliver of the reality that
we can perceive because we're humans but
most of reality is actually beyond that
and then of course you have scalability
issues the universe is is is immensely
huge and what scientists are now saying
if you look in any direction you can see
roughly within the visible let me
emphasize visible Horizon of our
universe is about 13.9 billion light
years plus or minus so that means in any
direction I can see 13.9 billion Lighty
years with the right equipment what's a
lightyear well it's as fastest light can
travel in a year Well light travels
pretty fast in fact it travels at
186,000 miles per second so 7 and a half
times around our planet in 1 second so
imagine how far you can go in a year now
multiply that by 13.9 billion and that
by scientists estimation so if if the
universe end to end of our visible we're
stuck in the middle is roughly 27
billion light years scien are now saying
that's only possibly only 10% of the
known universe because the universe is
so big and so vast and so far light will
never have time to reach Earth so that's
that's aund at a minimum 100 billion
light years right and so we are this
little speck in the middle and as as as
crazy as that is to to even try to
conceive if you compare one atom inside
the one hydrogen atom avagadro's number
right 1 time 10 the negative all the way
down uh it is roughly the same level of
scale as we are to the universe meaning
that atom is the size of a human as we
are the size of the universe as we are a
human to the size of the universe so
there is this and we as humans can only
interact plus or minus with one order of
magnitude up or down otherwise the
universe is simply too big or too small
meaning most of the universe and reality
lies in those scales we we live in this
little tiny tiny sliver and
so you hurt my
head yeah we live in a tiny sliver and
the idea that we're alone I think is
preposterous I really do and I know
people they constantly chime in with
this so where's the evidence if you know
Elon famously said if they aliens are
real they're very
subtle I don't know why he says that
though I think I think he probably says
that because he doesn't want to sound
like a c while he's working with NASA
and SpaceX you know I'd probably say
some stuff like that too well let me ask
you this H as human beings right how
many times do we fly over the serengetti
in a in a helicopter right and let's say
we want to monitor the health of a
particular you know uh herd of elephants
right and so what happens or wilder
beast we fly over we pick one we we
shoot it with a tranquilizer it falls
asleep we go down we do some tests pull
its blood now think about it from the
perspective of the wilderbeast right it
wakes up kind of meanders over to the
watering ho and says Bill you're not
going to believe this man but something
out of the came down and all of a sudden
they were touching me and you know I
woke up and my butt hurt right what the
hell was that um to this day even in
China when we go into a zoo right and we
have the panda bear exhibits what do we
do we put to so we don't disrupt the
pandas we wear Panda Suits now it sounds
silly but you can actually get online
and see zookeepers wearing Panda suits
because they don't want to SC they want
to interfere as least as possible with
the natural flora and fauna they're
inside the exhibit right PL animals
could you was was it reasonable to
theorize that there's aliens amongst
us when you say um well two things so I
I don't want to be evasive let me but I
also want to be very specific when we
say aliens and then we also are we are
we saying something from another planet
or are we simply saying non nonhuman
intelligence that looks like us that
moves around with us so is it possible
well we're doing it already with the
panda bear so you know I don't it's not
that we a strategy that'd be very simple
sure uh and especially if you have the
technology now as far Asar yeah there
you go right carrying little baby pandas
exactly right that's boy those are
shitty panda bear outfits
too they're [ __ ] terrible looking
they're pretty terrifying aren't they
actually put that in front of my dog
he's going to bark if like a dude in a
dog costume he like uhh that ain't a
[ __ ] dog yeah well how a wild panda
bear not no that dude's not a panda bear
that's crazy see that he's a panda
terrorist looks like a [ __ ] alien
like if it was really dark out and that
guy grabbed you and and Zapped you with
a tranquilizer he'd have an alien story
but yeah my point is that we we always
you know use camouflage uh for obvious
reason we do it in military right
camouflage camouflage uniform I stealth
aircraft you know for camouflage sure
you do it when you go hunting absolutely
I do absolutely so so it's not it's not
a stretch of the imagination to suggest
anything coming here that doesn't want
to provoke us probably wants to blend in
now of course do I have any type of
empirical evidence to suggest that they
are living among us I don't what I can
say definitively that whatever it is
it's here and and by the way you already
have very senior people in our
government that have said it it's here
whatever it is but these things could
also be from under the water these
things could be something that is as
natural to Earth as the little beasties
were right when we first discovered them
maybe maybe they've been here all along
right right so the the the ocean is
largely undiscovered one of the things
that people need to understand is that
most of the exploration of the ocean is
really essentially around the outside
side edges that's right it's around the
shores less than 10% so which is nuts
buddy of my 90% of the ocean like what
we know more about the moon then the
bottom of our own ocean um and so that's
so crazy yeah that's fact and these
underwater crafts like this enormous one
that apparently was uh near this oil rig
how many of them have been has there
been more than one of those videos so
let me tell you what I can say from open
source okay um and then I'll tell you
about a conversation I had without
attribution because I don't want don't
want to get in trouble
um everybody's well I say everybody a
lot of people are familiar with the Air
Force program called the fast Walker
program which is a program that was uh
started by the Air Force among other
things was to detect UFOs that's a fact
actually that's that was part of their
mission okay uh to detect a lot of
things adversarial technology but UFOs
was one of them it's called the fast
Walker
program there was uh some information
that was released publicly uh about a
similar program the Navy has I I I can't
talk about it because I I don't have
approval to talk about it uh but
obviously they're interested because
they have equities underwater they're
interested if there's anything
underwater that can perform beyond
anything we have and I remember speaking
to one individual uh who pulled me aside
very privately and he said Lou uh we
were tracking this thing doing and I
won't say the exact speed but hundreds
and hundreds of knots underwater
and it was bigger than our own submarine
right now you know how big our
submarines are right they're huge and I
asked them naively I just kind of came
out what do you do when you encounter
that and he just said very honestly he
said we go around just like that we go
around have there been interactions with
these things I I we're not at Liberty to
discuss any details about that that's
not for me to discuss um you know I uh
you and I got to get
drunk I'm a lightweight you know I got
to get you
drunk um let's go have some whiskey find
out what the [ __ ] is up um so this thing
is bigger than the sub and they they
followed it for hundreds of miles uh let
me give you another great great um event
that occurred and I'll talk about this
because it's not classified um the
portions that might be I don't know
about so I should be fine um there's an
individual who I'm aware of who was a
Hilo pilot a helicopter pilot back in
the late '90s uh in the Caribbean
and they were doing missile recovery so
what happened is that the Navy would
test fire missiles and then they kind of
run out of fuel they hit the water and
they sink at a predetermined time they
they pop to the surface we grab it with
a helicopter bring it back to Shore and
we we test it for Telemetry and make
sure that you know this cruise missile
was doing it supposed to do so they're
out there in the
helicopter um Frogman hanging down the
line uh you got the Helo pilot you got
the crew chief and and other P co-pilot
looking all down at the bubble and as
they're about to grab this this cruise
missile out of the ocean something huge
and round and what was described to me
as black as a devil starts to rise to
the surface the water begins to churn
very much like David fr's description of
the Tic Tac incident and the roing water
the Frogman is so freaked out he's
literally trying to climb the line back
up he's like total panic at the Disco
right and and the helicopter is like do
we do like an emergency a s what the
hell's going on here and right as this
thing is about and by the way it's the
size of a small island and round right
as this thing is about to break the
surface it sucks the missile down and
disappears Jesus and that was yeah and
uh Dave fraver could probably tell you
that story a little better than I can uh
but when you compare that to other
things you got to say imagine being that
guy hanging from that line no no thank
you we call that bait yeah but it didn't
do anything to him no I would have loved
that experience yeah so that was uh that
was one of the anecdotes that was
revealed to us by one of theine
helic pilot who's that guy that was
hanging from that FR I I I don't know I
only even know the pilot come come talk
to me please sir I only know the pilot
we'll put you in a [ __ ] Panda
outfit we'll disguise your voice tell me
what the [ __ ] you saw I want to hear
that story oh my God small island yep
black as the devil in a small island and
round yeah submarines look like this
right they're not round right so yeah so
that was uh that was one of the
anecdotes that was shared with us um you
know obviously Puerto Rico with the uh
other there's been some uaps that have
been recorded off there everybody knows
about agadia the agadia incident I don't
know about it oh I'm sure you do you
don't know tell me wow trust me so you
can look it up online there's a video
taken by a DHS helicopter of a very
interesting object at first it appears
to be like a perhaps a balloon but then
it does all sorts of weird stuff and as
they're tracking it it enters the water
with without making a splash you can
track it underwat then it comes up and
splits into two and it's called and it's
been analyzed over and over again by a
lot of experts it's called the agadia
incident maybe I have seen this is a
kind of blurry looking night vision
that's it oh wow and so keep watching
that and I'll tell you a little story
about this uh this is a Customs and
Border Protection release this how fast
is this thing going uh well so if you
look here they're looking at this
through a a form of night vision I don't
know the exact velocity all that is
available but if you keep watching this
something interesting happens so here it
goes you're going to see this thing
enter the water here there he goes
underwater and then it pops back up and
splits into two keep they they're
tracking it see no waves no wake and
then it surfaces and then uh does
something pretty pretty interesting here
so keep watching so it's going high
speed through the water underwater
that's underwater then it breaks the
surface of the water again you keep
watching boom underwater overw waterer
boom underwater
out of water and then you'll see it
split into
two so I didn't see it split into two
did you see it if you watch the rest of
the video the there it is there is yeah
the video is actually really long but
that's just one example um you know this
is uh these are you can see all these
videos they're they're prevalent they're
everywhere you see that the eight the
aircraft on the bottom right you see the
UAP on top that's tracking it yeah yeah
no wings no control surfaces uh and it
it keeps up with the A10 and does all
sorts of interesting Maneuvers right so
that's an A10
warthog and this thing is just following
it yep like it's nothing do you think
they're trying to let people see them
like if you had a guess you know I I
don't know I mean could it be a
demonstration of capabilities we do that
right every time a Russian surveillance
aircraft comes by we launch two f-22s
and we get real close to it and say Hey
you know right be careful but not even
from a military perspective like if a
civilization was trying to alert another
civilization about its presence wouldn't
it like go towards whatever military
vehicles it has and and show itself and
then I would imagine that if they
understand human beings they understand
our psychology and they understand that
some giant size of an island black as
the devil circular craft that lands next
to the Pentagon would [ __ ] end the
world we would freak out no one would
know what to do it would that would be
St stock market crash mass chaos no one
would know what to
do the way to introduce yourself I would
imagine would be gradual over a long
period of time to allow this this
civilization to accept the fact these
things exist and then slowly but surely
show versions of themselves yeah we call
that Sensi sensitization you sensitize
the population or environment but you
know the counterargument to that is
that's a very human thing right we have
as hum we we always it's it's almost
innate we look at everything through
anthropomorphic eyes we we look at you
know our our pet dogs and and we give
them human names and we do things like
that because we assign human value to
things and because we have intentions
and motivations but most of nature isn't
that way like for example when a shark
bites a surfer he's not wanting to hurt
the surfer he's just hungry the shark's
hungry I don't care if you're a seal or
whatever you know I don't want to I'm
not trying to inflict pain I'm just want
to feed my belly and inent and
motivation is a very human thing and we
have to we have to I don't want to say
resist the urge because it's almost
impossible to do it but we have to
recognize that there are there are
things that may exist that aren't don't
have human motivation meaning right
maybe they don't care about sensitizing
us maybe they do but maybe it's like a
like a computer right maybe it's binary
maybe there's some sort of binary
thought process just information in and
and information out so that's the one
one of the aspects I've always been very
careful with is to assign human traits
to something that is very likely not
human right but would you have to assign
human traits to it or would you have if
you you could look at it from the
perspective of these things are aware of
our psychology they're aware of how we
function and they aware of the fragility
of our
worldview you don't have to have human
intention to have a strategy for doing
the least amount of harm to this
emerging civilization in fact there's
examples of that let me reinforce your
point because there's examples of that
my background being science in nature
you know when lionesses stalk the zebras
you know they get very low into the
grass they don't want to be seen right
they're not motivated necessarily
because they don't want to Spook the HD
but they they do it it's it's it's a
it's almost instinctual right it's it's
part of their DNA part of their wiring
to have a lowprofile low observability
and to get closer to their target
whether it's cray or anything else so
you're right that mean there is there
are examples in nature that also can
suggest that so it's a very good point
yeah I mean it just makes sense that if
it understands us if it's obser look we
understand the behavior characteristics
of sloths right right we we study them
we know what they do and it would just
make sense that if they're studying us
they would understand our Behavior
characteristics like I mean the tiger
recognizes the behavior characteristics
of the zebra doesn't it right it studies
it and so it knows what it has to do to
get close to the zebra so there no way
they would come here with ignorance and
I think also it's very likely that what
we are exists in many many places in the
universe and that what we are is what
they used to be so they probably
understand what we are well we do that
in the Amazon don't we and in in afcan
tribes lost tribes that are remote right
separated by outside human contact we
study them we study them from afar but
we do the same thing yes yeah no no
question and obviously if they are the
super intelligent creatures they evolve
to become super intelligent creatures so
there's probably some sort of universal
process that takes place amongst all
intelligent creative life that has a
Lust For Innovation they consistently
make better and better versions of these
flying crafts until they figure out how
to make this warp drive thing that these
things apparently have another thing
that's odd is that you see the same kind
of things that Kenneth Arnold saw in
1950 you see the same kind of today it's
almost like you know going somewhere in
the 1950s and seeing a 55 Chevy and then
in 2024 seeing another 55 they're still
driving around 55 Chevys like what the
[ __ ] well they do do that in Cuba right
but that's just because they don't have
access to other cars really good
mechanics that's your people it is my
I'm really resisting the urge of Contin
to smoke this thing right now okay I
feel terrible up don't feel terrible I
feel terrible my wife is going to give
me hell for this I don't think there's
anything wrong with cigars man like I
was saying before I never heard of a
single person dying from cigars you
don't inhale them take a little bit of
smoke in your
mouth it's pleasurable it's
nice um I would just think that that's
what they would do because that's what
we would do and I think that's what
intelligent life would do we it
recognize something that wasn't quite as
intelligent as us we don't rush into
these you know remote tribes and
vaccinate them what what do we do we
don't give them but you know the thing
is like they have done some things like
they gave starlink to this one tribe and
the kids all started watching porn you
heard about that I heard yeah became a
real problem they're all lazy hanging
out on their phones all day which makes
sense like that's what we do yeah tribal
leaders are not happy you bring up
another very interesting point is there
a natural Glide slope or a Natural
Evolution to Evolution meaning any
species that reaches a certain point is
there a natural progression of any
intelligent species to progress to the
point like because all life is expansive
right life doesn't contract life expands
whether it's bacterial life whether it's
animal life or human life it is there
are certain biological functions to
procreate multiply and continue to
expand right so is that a is that a
universal Norm that is is is that part
of like fractals in Geometry throughout
the universe is that part of the
blueprint of all life or or is it only
specific to life here on Earth and
that's a great question because there's
probably arguments to suggest that yeah
there probably is a natural if there's a
natural blueprint for physics in the
universe there probably since life has
to abide by physics probably a natural
potentially natural blueprint for the
evolution of all life whether again
bacterial or or animal or human or
anything else nonhuman it makes sense it
makes sense that everything moves into
greater levels of complexity from
single- cell organisms to human beings
that pilot drones I mean it just keeps
going in in the same general direction
observably here and if the universe is
infinite that means there's infinite
versions of what we're seeing here with
us that exists throughout the cosmos and
probably in infinite steps along the way
right a hundred years from now a
thousand years from now yeah well not to
make light of it but I'll tell you
recently so I've I've learned over the
years it's it's there's nothing more
expensive than a than a cheap lawyer U
so I've got a couple good lawyers that I
that I work with on just contractual
stuff and one of them is named uh Ivan
hanel I call him the bull and I've
learned to appreciate shout out to Ivan
the in shout out to Ivan the infinite
complexity of Law and legal right so
right so if if there is this natural
progression as we're talking about life
I mean we even see it in our in our own
human interactions right this this this
intricate complexity of how things work
and how even in in the way we behave
with each other socially know you look
at a when I was in the um in the
government you could look at a terrorist
link analysis and that link analysis
still follows those fractal patterns
that the patterns in our our lungs the
patterns of lightning the patterns of
super medanic clouds and Galaxy
superclusters of galaxies all have that
same pattern and it's not just a
physical pattern it's a social pattern
right and so again um I not to make joke
of it but you know I'm learning that
it's it's beyond these patterns are
Beyond just physical patterns you know
even in something as as as as silly but
fundamental as law there are these
patterns that continue to spin off and
and whatnot so um yeah I can appreciate
that I think I think we're at a point
now as a species where we probably
should be having these conversations and
I'll also say this Joe there are parts
of this conversation I don't feel the
government has any place there is
definitely a national security
conversation here but the conversation
we're having as as can tell is far
beyond National Security right we're
talking philosophical psychological
sociological theological implications
that I'm not sure I want my government
necessarily dictating for me what I
should think about this well the
government's supposed to be working for
us ultimately and they are supposed to
be us you know the problem is when you
have access to information that's above
and beyond the normal person's realm
that could affect everyone on this
planet this understanding that we are
not alone but not only that we're
probably not even alone here it's not
even that something is visiting us
something's probably here all the time
you know and this is the main thought
about these underwater Vehicles well
life is abundant on this planet isn't it
and it and it thrives in places that we
thought life could never Thrive before
it's it's everywhere it almost seems
like a natural function if you have
certain situations and circumstances on
a on a rock somewhere then life pops up
it seems like if we can actually find it
on Mars and they're like you were saying
before they may have found some sort of
an Evidence of microbiological life if
we find it on Mars and we find it
somewhere they think maybe Europa
underneath the surface that's right
that's right and Europa probably is
powered by volcanic vents the same way
the bottom of our ocean is that there
might be some sort of life form
chemosynthesis not photosynthesis so and
this is just what we know about here you
know imagine all the different potential
realities in terms of what a planet's
atmosphere could be like you know you're
dealing with larger planets that have
more gravity you're dealing with
different kinds of temperature
variations look at Titan it's got a meth
it's methane and by the way that's
organic chemistry right it's it's got
methane clouds right so there are things
that thrive in these types of
environment maybe they have cow farts up
there too yeah too many but yeah I mean
you're you're you're absolutely correct
I think we have again this goes back to
the original point of
every time we try to put mother nature
in a box she always finds a way to
wiggle her way out of it and prove us
wrong if the one thing we're right about
is that we're always wrong right um how
much what I don't know if you could talk
about this but how much of an effort is
there to try to detect things under the
surface of the ocean I would defer that
to the United States Navy and maybe Noah
naal
oceanographic yeah no not no yeah not
the biblical Noah oh Jesus yeah no no I
mean Noah go that far back National
oceanographic and uh and Atmospheric
speaking of going that far back I mean
how much of I got to think that when
people are delving into this stuff they
they look at ancient scriptures and
ancient these different depictions of
things whether it's the
vimanas uh in the Hindu texts and
whether it's in the bhabat Gita there's
all these different stories of in
Ezekiel in the Bible there's things yeah
that seem to if I was a person living
thousands of years ago and I encountered
a flying saucer or encountered some
spaceship from another planet I would
probably describe it in the way that
they're describing it yeah I mean I mean
like just like sort of the azex Des is
tomorrow's technology right um so I can
tell you when I went to Italy I spoke to
one of the senior I think it was a month
Senor one of the senior um Vatican
academics and he said to me he says look
the Vatican doesn't have problem with
this topic
this is something in fact in the six up
until the 1600s it was heretical to
presume or assume that mankind was the
only if you will uh incarnation of God
representation of God it was actually
because but in essence you're putting
limitations on the Dominion of what God
can and can't do right and uh there are
these the Scrolls in fact that are in
the Vatican archives that discuss it's a
conversation between a Roman soldier and
a Roman general where they describe uh
there's something called ecus ecus in
Latin means um like sun eclipse right
it's the shape of the Roman shield and
they talked about these flaming Roman
shields in the sky that would follow
them from battles space to battle space
and and and Mr jacqu valet could
probably expound much more upon that
than I can but this was just a brief
conversation I had with with someone
there is very slippery he is he very
slippery he don't he don't commit to
anything he looks at you sideways
and yeah he uh you know he he did a lot
of lot of good stuff uh
and he's an incredibly smart guy great
great researcher just phenomenal you
know big bra he's the reason that guy
Close Encounters of the Third Kind the
guy he's the inspiration for the French
guy I heard that yeah I never had the
guts to ask him I figure he gets tired
of being heard I'm sure see when you're
talking to him you're like go that's the
guy but um you know there's there's
there's a lot of and when you look at
what the Vatican is I mean really it's
probably the world's oldest most capable
intelligence organization because they
have priests around the world that
people will report miracles to right and
or in confessions to and eventually that
gets filtered up to the Vatican so you
know talk about you know the world's
first CIA and KGB it was it was Vatican
baby those guys had it had it going on
and so no wonder they have all this
archival excuse me archival
information and some of it relates to
UAP
wow yeah it only makes sense that these
things if they're here now they've
probably been visiting us since back
when we're on horseback yeah and
probably quite a bit before then and
maybe that's the scariest thing for
people they might be responsible for us
being humans in the first place well you
remember the stories right of even
Christopher Columbus coming over to the
new world there were some interesting
accounts when they're on the water of
potentially some sort of UAP interaction
I did not know that yeah you can look it
up online this is all open source but
you can look type it up and there there
were some very interesting accounts and
even you know old old old sailor
accounts you know of of you know people
say well you know old sailor also talked
about you know big giant Kraken and
stuff like that but there was always an
element of truth to it now we realize
there are giant squid of the Pacific
right well not only that Krakens they
think likely did exist yeah well they
because octopus when they rot they don't
leave anything but they did find
fossilized suction cups from they still
do it's called the Great squid of the
Pacific we find it yeah that that for
sure but they think maybe perhaps even
an enormous octopus that probably
actually did go after boats you know we
call we we called them sea monsters back
then but really
you know we we laugh about it now but it
turns out there are sea monsters there's
just called great white sharks and you
know that's a [ __ ] sea monster right
you that was a real thing a great white
shark is now I mean absolutely go
swimming with a great white shark and
tell me that's not a monster right
exactly so um you know it's we just
realize though it's just part of nature
it's part of our existing Paradigm
tigers are monsters right absolutely you
know especially at night when you don't
have a flashlight that thing behind the
bush that's a monster right you
know um did you find anything on the
Columbus stuff one thing I'm seeing is
from an ancient aliens episode you know
it's legit I saw a crash something
crashed into the water but I I can't
find yeah there were some reports of
some interesting lights um that the crew
had reported and it was actually he put
it down in his log book something about
uh some now some folks will come back
and say well that's St elma's fire which
absolutely could be you know what is St
elma's fire exactly St elma's fire is a
static charge it it occurs on the wing
tips of aircraft even the old Sailors
would report it in certain uh
environmental conditions um there is
this weird greenish blue plasma glow
that will often sometimes be seen on the
tips of wing tips on aircraft you could
it's actually there's some really good
pictures of it online and even on the
old Mariners ships uh up towards the
sails and the masts and they believe
it's it's um it has to do with static
charge and under certain environments um
it creates this this energized plasma
and you can see it and so is that
similar to like ball lightning well it
could be here you go so um and they call
it St elma's fire that's [ __ ] badass
yeah and so that's yeah see around the
cockpit of the aircraft W and by the way
you see the patterns it's fractal right
look at that ship so very very
interesting uh how uh St Elmo's Fire you
know can cause some people to you know
perhaps see things and say it's well
also they might be seeing that yeah they
might right but there there are some
accounts of of ancient Mariners who who
report uh strange bizarre things M yeah
again it makes sense um that was one of
the more weird parts of Bob lazar's uh
story was that uh they've always been
here and that they they view us as
containers containers interesting yeah
there and he he said there's a very
thick document that relats to
the the implications that it has on
religion and like what what they the way
they talk about us well religion calls
us vessels right religious scripture and
a lot of different religions refer to
humans as as vessels you know I'm
certainly not a religious expert so I
you know I don't want to pontificate
here and say something that's inaccurate
but you know that that doesn't surprise
me well I think the the term was I think
they were saying vessels for Souls but
if you imagine that a being transcends
its physical limitations of biological
reality right so the biological
evolution that led us to be become Homo
sapiens over the course of you know x
amount of millions of years that's a
very slow process but technological
innovation and
technological progress is very quick
very quick especially when you add in
artificial intelligence exponential
that's right yeah so if something comes
along that is a life form that exists
outside of biology like something that
we create which it seems like we're
doing right now like AI right when does
that become sentient now is that a life
form you know not biological
thing in order for it to ever occur
maybe that thing
needs a thing with a soul that has a
creative desire that has a a Lust For
Innovation and continues to make better
and better things and maybe that thing
only exists in biology and maybe the
problem with artificial life is it has
no
motivation and that we have especially
if it's self-programmable right so one
of very bizarre things um that was
recently discovered about uh artificial
intelligence they gave artificial
intelligence a certain amount of time to
uh to code something to figure something
out and when it didn't have enough time
it changed its code to give itself more
time fascinating yeah like what
fascinating what the [ __ ] you talking
about it it's deciding that it doesn't
like its limitations so it won't have
any of the biological motivation we have
right it won't have ego it won't have
materialism it won't have a desire for
status it won't have all the things that
lead us to do some of the horrible
things that human beings do I could not
agree more and also some of the great
things that human beings do but maybe it
also doesn't have any desire to create
and maybe the only way for its kind of
life to exist is for a human being a
biological thing that's super
intelligent in comparison to the rest of
the animals on this planet that
innovates to the point where it creates
this artificial life I'm I'm going to
share something very very personal with
you and I know when I say with you I
know it's with everybody else but you
know
I part of my struggle is I can't I can't
urge the government to be transparent
and I'm not transparent myself right
it's it's hypocritical so let me share
with you a very personal story because
you bring something up that I think
is
fascinating
um I'm a human being but if for whatever
reason I get into a car accident I lose
an arm I'm I'm still Lou Alando right in
fact if I lose my legs and all my arms
I'm still
Lou so my body doesn't Define who I am
and my intellect right um if I suffer a
traumatic brain injury let's say I'm in
Afghanistan and a
TBI and my my my brain is compromis I'm
still Lou and so so what makes Lou or
what makes Joe Joe well it's not not
your physical self and and probably not
not even your intellectual self my my
mother I was very close to my mother my
mother was was was incredible human
being and I'll share this story with you
and take away with it what you
want I was very young maybe two two and
a half three years old and I remember
watching a show with my mother one of my
very first memories and in this TV show
I don't remember what show it was but I
remember that a shark had eaten a dog
and I was shocked my first understanding
that what death was and I looked to my
mom I said Mom what just happened and
she said well son the shark ate the dog
said 'what does that mean she said well
the dog's not coming back the dog died I
said well does everything die she said
well yes son everything dies I said well
Mom you're not you're not going to die
you're a mom right gave me life she said
no son one day I'm going to die and I
remember
spending from that day forward as God as
my witness I spent every single day of
my life knowing one day my mother was
going to die and it terrified me I was
very very close with her and
um one day that day came uh my mother
was diagnosed with cancer um and she
started uh her body started failing and
despite the best efforts she
um we knew she wasn't going to make it
and um you know when you love somebody
sometimes doesn't sound right but
sometimes you deceive them you know they
want to know they're in a in a bad State
physically and mentally to say you know
am I going to make it and you say yeah
of course you're going to make it right
knowing full well that there's probably
not good chance they going to make
it and um so we're in the hospital and
uh my mother had at this point been in
probably state of coma for about a week
and uh it was just me my wife and a
couple members of the
family uh very very sad moment
and my mother began this process of
death called you know when someone's
going to die there's something called a
death rattle and it's when the mucus
begins in the back of the throat to to
congeal and it makes breathing it can be
very unnerving for the people who have
to Witnesses it's very very common it's
called a death
rattle um it's the body beginning to
shut down and I knew something told me
my mom my mom was going to go very
quickly within the next 30 seconds to a
minute so long story short
um my mother's body was at that point it
was a husk an empty husk it was broken
um her brain had shut down and
yet the very moment she passed away
within 5 seconds I knew it there was
just something weird something reached
and said this is it she's
going and I reached over the bed and I
looked at my mom her eyes all of a
sudden opened up and she looked right at
me and even though her brain had been
compromised and what wasn't working her
body was was was nothing anymore and she
was a beautiful woman she was she was
she was a she worked for Playboy she was
a beautiful lady at one time a model she
was her body resembled nothing of what
she
did she looked at
me and she passed but we
communicated and I knew there was
something else at that moment more to a
human being more than just a body more
than just a brain there is something
that is
that is beyond the physical and even
intellectual part of what it means to be
human and I felt it and everybody in the
room felt that it was
undeniable you can call it a soul an ID
a cheat whatever I you know you can put
a label on it I don't know what it's
called I don't know what it is but I do
know that was the essence of my mother
and the moment she
passed it was as weird feeling
because as my mother laid there dead in
the bed
it wasn't my mother anymore that Essence
whatever made my mother my mother and
and you could see the light in her eyes
it was it's like someone turning off a
light switch is very and I've been
around death a lot never you know it's a
terrible horrible thing especially in
Warfare but but this was something
something visceral this was something
far more intimate this
was this cut to my soul and I could
recognize it and she recognized me and I
recognized her even though that the
brain functions were gone so so I guess
my point is I absolutely believe there's
something more to the human experience
than simply a tangible body and and a
brain um and I and I witnessed this
firstand now people can say all sorts of
stuff they want to you know I don't care
you know I got enough haters out there
anyways you know if they want to think
that I'm trying to you
know hope that my mother has a soul and
she goes somewhere I'm just telling you
what I experienced and other people
experience too and it was um it was
proof for me at that moment that there's
much more to to us as as as human beings
I had a very similar feeling when I went
to my grandfather's funeral and I saw
him in the
casket um cuz it was it was an open
casket and I knew he's gone I'm like
that's not him that's right it's just a
shelf you and you can sense it you feel
it yeah it it was a very strange feeling
yeah you know and obviously he's wearing
makeup because they've got him in a suit
and the whole deal but I was like that
is not my grandfather he's not there
anymore and it's not like you're trying
to override this acknowledgement that
they're dead you know they're dead it's
just that whatever made that person that
person it's not in the body anymore it's
gone there's a bizarre feeling that we
have that you don't I don't think
there's words for it yeah no I I it's a
feeling it is and you can't and it's
again it's not an intellectual or even a
physical thing
yeah
um that the idea that we're containers
for souls are just so goddamn creepy
this is a farm of
souls I'm not familiar with that
hypothesis but it sounds interesting
also scary perhaps well it's scary for
us you know
but like you you got to wonder why we
are so different than every other
creature in that we have this insane
insatiable desire to change our
environment constantly build bigger sky
scrapers and to move the Earth
and we we're constantly inventing new
technology I mean it seems to be an
instinct that's a part of us and this
gradual progression of Life Is Life goes
from intelligent biological life to
super
intelligent whatever it is whatever
whatever kind of Technology creates it
that life is not as simple
as uh
this H natural selection model that we
have here that we think applies to life
that like this is a type of life and
then there's a life that this thing
creates well you know Evolution isn't
just a physical thing is it evolution is
is the ability to change with within
one's environment over over time and
that's a that's a that's a fascinating
concept you bring up because some
speculate that it is inevitable that
human beings will eventually evolve into
something we're just a link in a much
longer chain right and that all
intelligent life potentially goes
through this process and that this is a
natural process where eventually we
actually make ourselves extinct not not
in the way where we kill ourselves but
we wind up creating a life form whether
it's AI or we start enhancing ourselves
with more and more machine interface and
and and you know life doesn't have to
necessarily be organic right you could
have potent I me silicon is very very
close to carbon in some cases so you
know is it possible that that life it is
it is Destiny for all life eventually to
evolve itself out of existence and bring
in or Usher in a new type of life form
right is it possible I I mean certainly
from a technological perspective I mean
ask Elon Musk it seems that we're you
know we're we're making a lot of
advancements right now to augment The
Human Experience and given as you said
how technology progresses exponentially
very quickly in the next 200 years I
mean we might be there is this sort of
conversation being had in the government
about what these things potentially are
I not to my knowledge and I sure hope
not because I don't think the government
this is a conversation this is where I
go back to this is a
conversation that involves a lot of
people you know whether it's your your
priest or your Rabbi or your Imam or it
is a your philosophy teacher at the
University I think I think we're getting
into an area now that is beyond National
Security and I'm honestly Joe I'm not
comfortable with my government taking
that aspect on because frankly I don't
trust my government to manage what I
should think about something tell me
what is I'm okay with but don't tell me
how to think about it don't tell me how
to process that you know because now
you're now you're overstepping your
bounds it's also other human beings the
government is just human beings right
and human beings shouldn't have this
insane knowledge and keep it from other
human beings well in fact it's it's not
it's illegal especially in our democracy
they're this type of stuff is supposed
to be discussed with certain members of
Congress and certain elements of the
executive branch and when somebody I
don't care if you're in the government
or in a religion or anything like that
this goes to the to the fundamental
pillar of of something that that agrees
me which is corruption now when I say
corruption uh let me let me backtrack a
little bit my father recently died this
this uh last Father's Day not this one
but the one before and um I had the
privilege of of knowing he was sick and
so we took a road trip down to Miami um
about a month and a half before he died
and he never told me he was sick but but
I knew something was wasn't right I knew
my father for a long time and something
wasn't right he started losing weight
and I could see he wasn't eating as much
and there were telltale signs and he
didn't want to tell me and I asked my
father almost almost flippantly I said
Dad I think we're probably somewhere by
St Louis and I said dad what is the
greatest threat to humanity to humans
what is greatest threat now I say
flippantly because I'm thinking you know
terrorism right and this and that my
father thought for a second he looks at
me he sayson it's corruption and I said
what do you mean corruption like like
like Financial corruption governmental
corruption he says
no corruption at its heart is when you
are willing
to bypass your own moral code your own
ethics for something else and whether
it's it's Financial corruption religious
corruption governmental corruption or
even moral corruption what when you
start to compromise on your own values
it's a very quick downward spiral to to
utter chaos and I he knowed that Firs
hand because my father was in the Bay of
Pigs invasion he was a a political
prisoner of Castro he actually fought
with Castro against Batista and then
when Castro went communist my father
joined with the folks here and the
friendly Folks at the CIA and was part
of the invasion of the Bay of Pigs he
spent two years in Castro's prisons
being tortured um so when he came to
this country
this country offered us opportunities
that no other country could or would and
the reason why Cuba failed was because
of corruption and he said look
corruption will be the end of all and
and if if it's a very quick downward
spiral with democracy that if democracy
becomes corrupt you now have tyranny
right and so every time someone in the
government is willing to compromise a
little bit on the value of what it means
to serve the American people and they
forget that they become corrupt and that
actually erodes the very essence of what
democracy is and what this country is
about and that is why it is so important
that the individuals in our government
that don't want to have this
conversation and don't want to talk to
Congress and are making the unilateral
decision on your behalf and the American
taxpayer in my behalf that's wrong they
don't have the right to do that there is
a process of rules and laws we have in
this country that we've all agreed to
we're going to abide by and that
includes them and they don't have the
right to bypass that even if they think
they're doing it for the right reason I
disagree with that I think I think this
democracy only works because we all
agree it works right and the moment you
begin to compromise on that all of
democracy is at risk and I mean that
sincerely it it it's not a it's not a a
slow downward spiral it's quick and you
can hit rock bottom very very quickly
and the only reason why this government
works is because we all have faith and
and a commitment to what we consider are
the American values and and serving the
American people and you know for the
People by the people so I think it's
very dangerous when when elements in the
government and I want I don't want to
villainize the whole government because
government's full of great people they
do great things they keep us safe so I'm
talking about the minority few some of
these people who have actually gone
after me and will probably continue to
come after me to try to discredit me and
everything else despite the volumes of
documentation that I have in my
possession and others um because they
don't want to have the conversation and
they they they are happy with the status
quo and to me that is a greater threat
than any UAP could ever have on Humanity
it's it's the greatest threat is how we
perceive ourselves and what we are
willing to do to keep this a secret in
violation of the commitment and and and
what we have done to we've sworn in some
cases to uphold the values of this
country and I think um that's a concern
for me and that's why I don't want
certain elements having this
conversation of what this means you know
the big macro level conversation because
I don't think they're qualified I'm not
qualified I know that I'm damn sure
they're not qualified either so this is
why I think this type of national level
conversation is so important at the end
of the day it's not up to me people say
Lou what do you think you know the hell
what I think doesn't matter what I think
what matters what you think here's the
information here's the data you figure
it out don't ask me for what this means
because I'm not entitled to that I
didn't I didn't earn that privilege and
I would definitely never take it away
because that is that is that is sacred
that's you that's up to you to decide
for yourself and this is this is part of
my frustration with this overall
conversation because there are elements
that don't want you to have this
conversation well said Lou thank you
very much man thanks for being here I
really enjoyed it really enjoyed our
conversation Joe this has been fantastic
and truly truly an honor and privilege
you have one hell of a responsibility
you are you are look I got to tell you I
don't ever get nervous doing an
interview you were the first one and
probably the only one I will ever have
been nervous coming in just simply
because not because of me because of you
the responsibilities you have on your
shoulders to have a communicate you
reach a global audience people are
listening to this conversation right now
and by the way they're part of this
conversation very much so right that is
an enormous responsibility you have a
voice in some cases that exceeds
presidence the technology you now have
it available to your fingertips and and
this wonderful staff you have
you are influencing the world and I
can't
imagine that type of responsibility I
mean there are world leaders that don't
have the voice you have and so for me it
is a profound profound honor and
privilege to be with you here today and
your your your wonderful audience um you
know if I never see you again I I wish
you the best of luck you are you're
doing America a great service be honest
be candid speak your mind that's all I
can say as a you know little chicken
here in in in uh in the United States um
you you've got big shoulders man you got
a big weight on a lot of responsibility
on your back and I mean that sinc
freaking me out man telling you but
thank you very much thanks again I I
really appreciate everything you've said
and I appreciate your everything you
said about disclosure and how important
it is I I couldn't agree more Joe it's
been my honor and privilege sincerely my
honor too thank you very much thank you
all right bye everybody
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