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Video Title: "Imminent: The Lue Elizondo Documentary"

Imminent: The Lue Elizondo Documentary
412,790 views  Oct 10, 2024

Lue Elizondo is a former U.S. intelligence officer and former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), known for his efforts to investigate and bring attention to the existence of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP).

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f16VvXaSSE&t=3451s

Transcript:

look here's the bottom line guys it's
it's very simple either a the reality is
that UAP are here God or B this is some
form of mass hysteria and if it is
Masseria that means you have Admirals
generals trained pilots with top secret
clearances weapons officers Air Force
nuclear technicians literally with their
fingers on the nuclear button y right
that are all B crazy Lu Alando L Alando
aland L
aland what is going on this aliens we
call them uaps nonhuman NH Tic Tac Black
Cube jellyfish flowing red triangular
craft better than our airplane that's
nuts you can't stop a United pilot from
posting a Tik Tok the white lettering
under interference syndrome injuries
what's going on there I have to be
careful to treat that question okay no
wor are we ready to tell the American
people the truth about
UFOs Livingston I
presume how's it going
hey brother how are you good man got the
back in Action let's do it guys I see
you hey jent by the way you're not going
to believe this this gentleman here Mr
Hill was living here in Washington DC in
1952 during the famous UFO incident here
over Washington and he was us no way we
just picked it up right now him and his
father were sitting on the front porch
and he actually witnessed the UFO event
here over the capito building one of the
last few people that I knew that
actually can tell this story we got to
interview you I literally just met him
right now what about 10 minutes ago yeah
you know who this guy is yeah I knew the
face when he came to the door I said no
no know he
said I told him he should have just
turned me
away absolutely
not first off I want to give a huge
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today's video today's guest is The Man
Behind modern UFO disclosure hey him or
love him there's a high chance you
wouldn't even be thinking or talking
about UFOs right now if it weren't for
this man and his work over the last
eight years what's it like to be me I
wouldn't want anybody to have to be me I
don't want to be me um in this
particular case because it's very tough
you're right half of the government
hates What I've Done um they they
consider it talking out of school and of
course you're right half the public
doesn't know what to think right am I
disinformation agent I go all these
things around here from various
intelligence agencies right I can't be
trusted no way what how you doing sir
nice to meet you oh my God I'm L
actually geeking out for like the first
time ever sir your name Nate Nate nice
to meet you
sir sure if you want no sweat you like
make videos or something no that's this
guy who Mak videos he's a famous
YouTuber not me let me get this behind
too here come on guys the devil's to and
runs into this guy Luis elzando is a
pentagon whistleblower whose Fame has
reached New Heights with his
autobiography imminent in which he
discusses the existence of American
Legacy UFO reverse engineering programs
and of non-human intelligence the fact
that we are not alone I don't think the
fact that we are not alone in this
universe is necessarily A something that
needs to be classified he was the
director of atip or the advanced aerial
threat identification program which was
an offshoot of assab or the advanced
Aerospace Weapons Systems application
program I know a lot of acronyms we'll
help you understand these programs and
what they were actually intended for
later in the episode because there are a
lot of popular misconceptions about
both
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baby this is great
yeah this interview took place across
two locations L's home in Wyoming we f
this 2 years ago in a certain special
Naval Lodge in Washington DC this August
wow Masonic temple a lot of our founding
fathers were freem and uh a lot of these
buildings were built by and inspired by
freem you have the pyramid and the eye
on the dollar and oh yeah yeah a lot of
symbol even the Pentagon itself the
shape of the Pentagon and the way all
the
lefant basically the architect who built
DC yeah if you look at the street from
the Aira you see the Square Encompass so
inter I didn't know that
yep I brought along AAR candel one of my
best friends in onethird of the
incredible YouTube channel yes Theory to
help here and we had an absolute blast
the dissemination of information is now
exists in a way that it cannot be
controlled you know until recently I'd
never seen close encounters with Third
Kind I found it really interesting that
Spielberg got a lot of it right I was
like
Wow before a lose pivot role in UFO
investigations he had an extremely
intense history in American Special
Operations Warfare and intelligence I've
seen both the best of man and the worst
of
man all within seconds of each
other his father Lou senior was a Cuban
Exile who originally fought
shoulder-to-shoulder with Castro
after falling out with the Cuban
Communists and coming to America he
became part of the cia's Bay of Pigs
invasion to toppel castra finally he
joined a hardcore militant group of
Cuban Exiles called Alpha 66 that
engaged in all sorts of very interesting
Rogue operations for three-letter
agencies Alpha 66's explicit mission was
to eventually invade Cuba and toel
castra this was the environment elzando
grew up in little L knew how to work
every gun under the
sun here's how you this pull it
back let it
go bang bang bang bang bang bang bang
bang great that's
insane he went on to fulfill a pretty
badass career in American defense and
intelligence protecting the US's most
Advanced Technologies running
intelligence efforts against Isis
Al-Qaeda Hezbollah the Taliban and farc
he's been deployed across the world and
he even held a leadership position at
the notorious Guantanamo Bay perhaps
most importantly he was a liazon to the
special access oversight committee why
does that even matter because this
committee deals with the most sensitive
unacknowledged programs in our military
finally according to Future guest of
this show Matthew Pines blou even was a
member of the US Army intelligence
support activity group otherwise known
as gray fox this was a tiny Elite of the
elite special missions unit that goes
into hostile territory before Delta
Force and jok and if you know anything
about jok they might have a thing or two
to do with UFO crash retrievals does the
Dey currently work with jck we uh work
with all of the security entities around
the federal government do you guys work
with J yes or no uh yes we do okay
everybody say I want to know the truth
okay but but how much of the truth do
you want to know and how much should we
know in 2017 after trying to brief
General madg Mattis on UFOs and having
the door shut in his face by some
bureaucratic intermediaries elzando
along with his friend former deputy
assistant secretary for defense
intelligence Chris melon decided to go
off script they took matters into their
own hands and they got three UFO videos
cleared for release by the Pentagon they
took those videos to the New York Times
for a bombshell article that was
released in 2017
since that fateful day UFOs have been
all the rage movies media press it is
now passade to say that you believe in
UFOs it's a cottage industry and yet
simultaneously very few people can tell
you anything about them who their
occupants are where they're from and why
they're here this is a a raging Wildfire
now and it's not because of me I can't
take credit for that that's because of
what your generation has done with
it when we're off camera I'm going to
show you guys something we we'll see how
you react okay wow Lou cannot violate
any security clearances and so sometimes
conversations with him can be
frustratingly high level is there some
spectrum that spots the UFOs more
frequently uh H I have to be careful
answering that question okay no worries
there's um it's a good question okay but
if you suspend your cynicism for a
moment and actually take some of his
highlevel analogies as very important
puzzles to decode core truths underneath
layers that need to be peeled off
carefully this interview has a startling
amount of information okay I'm saying
this not you but I think uh I think
infrared is interesting look it is yeah
infrared can tell you a whole lot of
stuff yeah specific band of
yeah we know that UAP are interested in
nuclear capabilities and our military
capabilities it's no different than we
go to the sereniti and we watch the
Cheetahs praying upon the analou you
know it's it's interesting to watch what
are their hunting techniques what are
their
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capabilities there's a lot of occult
history occult history in
NASA from the catastrophic implications
of weaponizing UFO technology to the
esoteric roots of the American Space
Program to alien chips implanted in
human bodies one of which Lou actually
handled firsthand it was moving under
the microscope under its own metabolism
to regularly seeing green orbs in his
house to him astrop projecting himself
next to a terrorist as a part of a CIA
operation to his formerly undisclosed
work with David grush we both worked in
a ski together I am telling you straight
up that guy he knows a lot more even
than he was allowed to say the amount of
reality altering claims Lou makes in
this episode could warrant a hundred
other episodes they seem to be
interested in nuclear stuff there is an
absolute connection to nuclear yeah
absolutely and and is it that's
unequivocal do you think it's the power
unlock more than the destructive
force I
think so without further Ado sit back
and enjoy this well- Blended multi-year
and multilocation interview cocktail and
astral tour of esoteric knowledge with
this week's American Alchemist Luis
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elzando different parts of the rain have
different activities but you know that
don't you
you maybe you should interview
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job yes so my father and I were sitting
on the back porch and uh you happened to
look up and see it looks like four pleas
or playes or something were likes four
of them they tra about four behind me
and I asked my father what was it he did
little me say I know did which direction
did your house face your porch my porch
was like the 13th and E 12 blocks from
here from the from the capital right off
half a block off of Pennsylvania Avenue
and my back porch uh from my back porch
you could see the
capital this show contained a lot of
bizarre synchronicities that I have
trouble explaining in fact the grounds
keeper of this Lodge an 82-year-old man
named Maurice Hill recognized Lou before
we even got there and started to open up
about his own UFO encounters soon we
learned that he was one of the last
living Witnesses of the famous DC
flyover a slew of UFO sightings in July
of 1952 in the capital prompting
headlines like this newspaper article
and a call between Truman and then
American Chief UFO investigator Edward J
Rupel it also sent the CIA into a frenzy
about how to manage the UFO problem we
can say that the recent sightings are in
no way connected with any secret
development by any Department of the
United States there's been a lot of
discussion that actually there were some
I think it was an f105 fighter jet that
was actually scrambled to intercept
those lights those luminous objects and
there's even one reported account where
perhaps uh they were asked to fire upon
and may have actually hit one of them um
that has not been verified yet but there
are some allegations about that me and
uh two of my friends were standing uh on
the sidewalk talking down on Wally
Street
Northeast and while we were talking just
happened to look up to see this thing
going up in the air look like a huge
jellyfish I'm saying what the hell is a
jellyfish going up going and it just was
going up and up and like a jellyfish was
in the water or whatever at the bottom
of it looking at it it looks like
looking into a volcano when you see uh
redish and black lav bubbling yeah lava
bubbling or whatever that's what it look
like under the bottom of it first of all
when when did this occur what what year
that was in the 70s uh around
7374 somewhere along early to mid '70s
yeah okay and was that here in
Washington DC yeah do you remember what
direction you were looking at in the
sky yeah
um that wait Southeast how far away and
how big was was the object if you had to
guess that thing was big it was about
the size of a maybe a car like a round
but was round about the size of a car
and it was about when I first saw it it
was like like looking at
that and then it looked like it was just
going up and up and up almost like a
parachute is that a yeah like a
parachute like but it was just going
interesting well how high is this
about 30 ft yeah we're roughly about 30
ft well that was about 45 or 50 ft just
a little higher wow when UFO researcher
Jeremy Corbell released a video that was
caught in Iraq in 2018 of a jellyfish
shaped UFO I have to admit I was a bit
skeptical it just felt like the object
looked like none of the other discs Tic
Tacs saucers that get reported it was
extremely high strangeness and so
hearing this groundskeeper Maurice Hills
saying that he himself had had an up
close in personal encounter with a
jellyfish shaped UFO was actually pretty
mind-blowing and was fairly confirming
for me well thank you for your time sir
it's been an honor and privilege thank
you very much Mr Hill oh you will thank
you thank you for telling that story for
us so that's amazing both the DC flyover
and a jellyfish right and by the way
there's other accounts of jellyfish a l
I didn't know that's fascinating oh yeah
there's actually a DVD on it I actually
too yeah are they dropping anything
because I know there's some cases where
there's molten lava
yeah well some there's a there's a
reference to something called angel hair
uh which refers to a slewing off or
sloughing off of of the outer layer of
the vehicle and it drips down onto onto
almost like a like a residue or like a
like molten metal on the ground um and
that that is referred to as angel hair I
talk about in my book that the external
part of the craft may be ablative
sacrificial um that's why there's a lot
of layers potentially what happens is
that when it's Juiced up um there is an
interaction between the energy source
and the outside of the craft which is
actually the engine there not actually
an engine inside and that is what
creates that bubble but every time you
Juice It Up you lose a layer I that's
disposable correct
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when you talk to people that that quote
unquote call themselves experiencers or
quote unquote abductees they'll say the
same thing there's this recurrent
pattern where it's almost as if an
individual is chosen and what you saw in
the movie last night was was a a kind of
a I think a hat tip to that uh DOA that
that it's not random that that there is
definitely some sort of deliberateness
if you will or purposeful selection
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you you handled a an implant uh and it
was it was uh the department of of of V
Affairs uh gave you this implant that's
you describe it as these fibers these
spindly fibers and then you sort of you
you you get those away from the thing
it's this like microchip is that right
or so it's let me give you the best
explanation I can imagine a little
square piece of metal MH that was
iridescent meaning different colors
purples and Silvers and different color
that was inomed in a soft gelatinous
what appeared to be human soft tissue if
you were to remove a tissue sample from
somebody maybe about this big and inside
there was a a foreign object that was
metallic appeared to be metallic and and
multicolor and on the biological
material this encapsulation these fibers
multicolored fibers yellows greens blues
that came off of that that Central piece
of
gooey Mass um and according to the
pathologist it was moving under the
microscope under its own metabolism wow
yeah and it was removed by a surgeon
from the Department of Veterans Affairs
from a US veteran who claimed to have a
up close and personal contact with the
UAP occupants or just UAP uh I don't
know about that particular case and I
have to be very careful if there's an
implant Hippa and patient conf idity um
where do we have any sense of where that
implant is or we have an idea okay are
you familiar with Whitley striber story
I am not well so Whitley has has an
implant in his ear that has been
documented under like an x-ray and and
in an attempt for him to to extract it
it had the same behavior it evaded the
surgeon so we have someone right now
there's a a person at uh one of the
Aerospace corporations I cannot say
their name cuz I don't want to get them
any kind of trouble but they've had
something moving in their body now for
several years and they keep locating in
different parts of the body wow yeah and
and I I I've asked whitle about it
because he was at Soul conference and uh
I asked him like why he never why he
never removed it and if I remember
correctly it was something around like
he just he he felt like maybe there was
maybe this was the Ani's way of
communicating with him and he didn't
want to he didn't want to interrupt that
and I it was also his his his late wife
he she had recommended that he doesn't
he doesn't take it
out I know that there's a story about
Edgar Mitchell who was a naval astronaut
who said that in a in a training Mission
over Germany he saw over multiple days
saw a squadron of like nine UFOs that
that flew in all these different
formations and he had footage off them
they said that when he got back to the
US in Washington as soon as he landed a
military plane landed took the footage
never heard about it again yeah I mean
look it's it's not uncommon let's let's
talk about one of the the founders of my
program a tip Senator Stevens from
Alaska this was a World War II pilot he
who he himself admitted he had
encounters with Foo Fighters during the
war okay and this is a senator Foo
Fighters yeah so the Foo Fighter is a um
it's a term that was used by the Allies
for UFOs huh that would chase the
aircraft and follow them from during
their uh during their operations M
operations over occupi Germany and other
places as well it was um so where does
all
this where do all these videos and and
reportings end
up uh that's a great question
um one I probably can't answer right now
but hopefully soon for the Foo Fighters
they seemed like
uh more like flare style or like like
ball ball lightning sort of things some
were some were actual technical crafts a
lot were described as as as you know
glowing balls if you will of light
luminous luminous objects yeah um but
there's actually pictures of them so why
did so many because the food Fighters
were famous 1944 and 1945 in a specific
kind of triangle of Southern Germany so
why why do you think those things kind
of popped up there specifically well
military operations right we know that
UAP are interested in nuclear
capabilities and our military
capabilities so um what was going on at
the height of World War II well winter
takes all both countries are trying to
be the first to develop the atomic bomb
right and a lot of new technology was
being fielded by both sides MH in a
winner takes all scenario MH so you know
if you wanted to see how it's no
different than we go to the sereniti and
we watch the Cheetahs praying upon the
analou you know it's it's interesting to
watch what are their hunting techniques
what are their capabilities
is Edgar Mitchell sort of uh pattern
match to a specific type of abductee who
almost has an a conversion experience
post experience so they have some sort
of close encounter maybe maybe of you
know with a craft or of the Third Kind
and then afterwards they start to
believe more in Mind Over Matter more in
sort of uh parasym
strange sort of biological features that
they never had prior well you know a lot
of people who
experience life-changing events no
different than PTSD right and soldiers
who who suffer some sort of trauma or
drama uh you that changes you yeah it
will change you it can change the way
you think the way you perceive um I
don't think it's that really far of a
leap to suggest that if you have a
extraordinary experience that it's going
to change your life in an extraordinary
way MH well yeah like you're Gall says
that he had an ET experience as a young
kid Mitchell tells me one day Edgar
Mitchell the six man Paul of 14 who
walked on the moon URI there's somebody
very important in NASA secret base that
wants to meet you I say fine who is he
and he says to me it's Dr verer V Brown
I say what Dr verer V Brown wants to
meet me grandfather of the Space Program
he was a Nazi well yeah I mean but he
was a rocket genius my curiosity killed
me I said let's go verer pulls out a
piece of metal and he says to me URI
touch this tell me what you feel I put
my fingers on it and I say wow it
doesn't feel like it's from here then he
says come with me do you see this door
behind him Veron Brown takes me into his
personal office there's a safe in the
office he opens a safe I see a piece of
metal I've never seen such a color pulls
it out it's not heavy says URI touch
this tell me what you feel now I put my
hand on it and I say verer this is not
from here he says you're right this is a
piece of a UFO that crashed on our
planet you know I'm mind blown because
as a child I used to sneak into movie
theaters in Tel Aviv to see films on
extraterrestrial life and this is coming
from the mouth of verer V Brown I think
he was part of the starting of Stargate
right originally the
uh tangentially he he met Russell tar he
was the really the guy who brought the
V2 rocket yeah uh in which is really
just like a scud missile well what I
find so crazy the rocket he and Arthur
Rudolph and created the the N Saturn
program corre that was 129 people it was
a transplant of the Nazi program
absolutely and haven't worked secretly
with us yeah it's pretty nuts yeah and
you had a bunch of other Auto scores you
had a bunch of people we took over yep
from uh watch your Germany is there
anything more kind of uh mystical or
strange then meet to the eye when it
comes to the history of US rocketry sure
look at Launchpad 33 I mean everything
is Masonic look at the Apollo missions
these are all the the zodiac signs right
you have Apollo and you have the Juno
missions and you have all these you know
Mercury missions and there's a lot of
ult history mhm occult history in
NASA as Lou mentions here even the
conventional American Space Program NASA
the Saturn and Apollo programs have far
more esoteric Roots then meet the eye
some of the top American astronauts were
Freemasons Buzz Aldren Gordon Cooper Don
F Isel Gus grup James Irwin and Edgar
Mitchell were all Freemasons another
famed astronaut of the highest 33rd
Masonic rank was the famous John
Glenn who urged Harry Reid to
investigate UFOs as part of
assap Buzz Aldren even established a
Masonic Lodge on the Moon called
Tranquility Lodge 2000 chartered by the
Grand Lodge of Texas and brought a
freemasonic Scottish rap flag to the
Moon to consecrate the whole
thing do you think that somehow made the
program more effective or well I mean
look whether it did or not I mean if
people have a belief in something you
know there's like there's that old
saying there's no such thing as an
atheist in a foxhole the idea or notion
that people that the supernatural can
assist you is no different than than
back the Romans carrying talismans into
combat or or conferring with the Oracles
of Deli before a a major battle a
significant event right and what about
the start of the American Space Program
Jack Parsons The Godfather of American
rocketry and founder of jet propulsion
Laboratories would often recite a
cultist Alistair Crowley's version of
the him toan before every rocket test
two where L waves
are he also claimed to have encountered
a blond-haired alien falling a ritual in
the Mojave Desert in 1948 hi there are
you interested in the white house so
Jack Parsons was in the the Otto you
know this uh crazy cult uh yeah with
Alistair Crowley and all that and they
would do past life regressions Jack
Parson if you go all the way to the Past
in terms of what his his life was blood
it's called Sex Magic it was some of the
the the the occult aspects of ooto yeah
the sex magic rituals yeah they did that
and but his his past life regression was
Simon the Sorcerer And you you know
Simon the Sorcerer was so Simon the
Sorcerer that how the word simony came
into existence is he was using sort of
black magic to levitate and then he saw
I think it was like Peter and Paul uh
they were levitating because of God and
he was like the disciples yeah the
disciples and he was like okay like you
guys are somehow levitating higher than
me I'd love to pay for that power so
that's where the word simony comes from
and so he could fly using the sort of
black magic sort of thing Jack parsons's
uh was sort of a known occultist who
would do all sorts of weird sex magic
rituals and uh also was very interested
in kind of levitation when they did a
past life regression on him apparently
that was what they wow yeah and just
listen to what religious studies
Professor Diana Pula had to say in our
interview about just how religious and
interested in Latin and Greek rituals
people in the space program are yes they
were doing some extraordinary types of
rituals and they definitely believed
that they were in touch with these
beings they presented them differently
so the Parsons crew yeah they were way
out there and they were doing this in
the La desert right and stuff and they
were doing ritual magic and they
believed that they were in contact with
you know extraterrestrials and things
like that all right um in the on the
Russian side though they were doing the
same thing but it was under a Christian
veneer ah so chosi believed that he was
actually in touch with Angelic beings
and he talks about it and writes about
it and that these beings are in constant
contact with us if we if we're able to
receive their
knowledge and there's been this weird
progress split in science from like if
you look at any of the most interesting
scientists back in the day who've
contributed most to science whether it
was Newton or bacon or you know Jack
Parsons was more of an industry man but
like all of these
people dabbled in some weird beliefs and
practices and now it's this weird
Citadel where like you have to be this
very straightedge materialist
reductionist in the kind of Ivory Tower
and then there's like woow woo you know
people that write about how quantum
physics is is the law of attraction but
there's no real scientific Bas and it's
this bizarre bifurcation that I think
has caused real stagnation you have
religion you have science right think of
it as think of it you're Egyptian right
think of a pyramid right on one side of
the pyramid you have these wonderful
Stones making the pyramid right and on
the other side you have this thing
called signs right and when you're
standing at the base of the pyramid and
you're looking up okay when I'm on this
side I'm on science religion could not
be any further they are they almost
diametric right cool yeah but as you
begin to climb the pyramid what happens
Point religion and science get closer
and closer together and in fact they
lean on each other they need each other
and in fact there comes a point of
Singularity here where the difference
between science and religion is
indistinguishable they are the same yeah
and the point being is that the problem
where religion and science run into the
problem is that they're fundamentally
asking two different questions one is
asking how one is asking why and that is
why the two don't meet at the bottom you
read the Torah and the there's the
stories that we grew up learning and
then there's you know cabala which was
kind of that part that most people were
like hey you know you don't want to
spend too much time reading that let let
the let the experts you know focus on
that um but there's a lot of this both
science and mysticism we were talking
about the Quran here and and some of
the the numerology that is in there when
I say numerology I don't mean in a
classic sense numerology what I mean is
the ratios the way words are spoken how
they're spoken and how they relate to
real Day science and you have to say
wait a minute there is some insight here
that goes Way Beyond I mean there is
true hard science of the development of
the fetus it's another example that that
you you have this beautiful marriage
this beautiful merger of of religion and
Science and this understanding that you
have to have both that the spiritual
world the physical world are all part of
the the the bigger plane do you know
where the word Angel comes from no comes
from the Latin word ANH Helios uhhuh
Angel anhelos sun or light or fire uhhuh
Purity it's a term to
describe the
supernatural properties of these
supernatural beings
do you think the you know rumors that
the Nazis had a flying saucer you know
do you think that's Sher Maita uh well
they I think they certainly tried I mean
there's you know the experiments DEA
which were which
were now known and other ones and they
are Foo Fighters over
Bavaria but in reality they they did not
have the
technology that we're seeing today M
they just didn't
do you do you think there's all the
stuff around you you know what operation
high jump is of course you think that's
a story where Admiral Richard
Bird Goes Down the coast of Argentina
towards Antarctica and he and his Fleet
encounter laser shooting discs the
problem is they also said a lot of other
things right they found green spaces in
Antarctica and other things and the
problem with it is you can get on Google
Now you can see for yourself you know
that's yeah do you think so you
think there's nothing to the Nazi or
Hitler Fascination they were they were
fascinated anartica they had several
missions down there yeah I mean it was a
it was a hidden continent yeah you know
I
mean no there there was absolute truth
to that yeah question is were they
successful in exploiting it yeah and the
answer is probably no
yeah it feels like in if you're talking
about science we've gotten to there
we're reaching kind of a Heisenberg
limit of Science in terms of scale and
so it feels like the next Frontier is
within is is looking at Consciousness
and all science goes through you know
the mindbody problem it goes through a
fundamental epistemology yeah of of
Consciousness so do you do you think
that that's somehow super important for
the next scientific Paradigm or
breakthrough well yeah I mean
look when you ask a computer to do a
calculation
right the computer is has basic
programming is it dos right is it
windows-based is it and that will tell
you the limitations of its processing
capability yeah we're no different we're
just biological computer systems yeah
and we have our limitations we also have
our strengths so this is an interface
it's an interface yeah correct and do
you think the ability to uh move outside
of the interface in certain cases allows
certain people to see UFO
possibly possibly maybe some of the
computers can work both windows and Doss
and because of that you know UFOs versus
not is there something cuz so we see
generally between 400 and 700 nanometers
in the electromagnetic wave spectrum is
there some spectrum that spots the UFOs
more
frequently uh huh I have to be careful
answering that question okay no worries
there's um it's a good question okay
okay I'm saying this not you but I think
uh I think infrared is interesting look
it is yeah infrared can tell you a whole
lot of stuff yeah specific band of it
yeah I was contacted by a CEO of a think
tank in Washington DC see he says I want
you to come and participate in a
conference here in in Washington I said
well frankly too busy what's it about
this conference is about disclosing
something to the American
public as a startup position let's
assume that there have been crash revals
by Russia China and the United
States and the question is can we bring
this out to the public how put off was
at the soul conference last year and he
told a very interesting story of
actually the George W Bush
Administration where they're doing this
kind of net assessment is oh he told
that he told that story publicly really
yeah in front of an audience never
thought that conversation would come out
and it's tele it's you know on YouTube
now so that actually occurred that was a
real conversation I'll bet you you know
what probably not a whole lot of people
know that that YouTube is out there
because when I knew about it it was very
very very very sensitive yeah so he says
some pretty crazy stuff he says that
George delb Bush was very interested in
disclosure and he and Cheney and they
were thinking about you know disclosure
and they did this sort of net assessment
study on it with their National Security
well Bush's father was aware he was
briefed into the UAP director of the CIA
for a very long time correct correct and
there's a backstory there too I'm
probably not at Liberty to discuss but
but George Bush Senior was was griefed
into the UAP reality and so so junior is
interested in possible disclosure they
come out of that study under Steven
Hadley National Security adviser at the
time basically saying that we actually
don't think full disclosure is good for
Humanity the fact that George W bush
contemplated UFO disclosure is fairly
mindblowing it's especially interesting
in light of the Revelation my friend
Walter Kern broke after his conversation
with David grush and I said to him who
among all the people in society is
keeping this secret who sits a top the
Pyramid of classified information he
said Dick
Cheney if Dick Cheney was in fact a
gatekeeper for the Legacy UFO programs
then it leads me to believe that either
the program was trying to out itself
with Cheney's tasset approval or if UFO
disclosure was presented by Outsiders
Cheney probably helped squash the idea
even either way this is certainly a
loose thread worthy of followup because
we know George Bush's father George HW
Bush was fully read into UFO Legacy
programs just listen to this anecdote
from Lou's lawyer Daniel shean President
Carter remember had seen a UFO yeah in
1969 I believe it was and so that when
he was elected in the first week of
November of
19 uh
76 you know the first thing he did was
he sent for the head of the Central
Intelligence Agency to come down to
Plains Georgia to brief him on the UFO
issue and it turns out that person was
George H W
bush do do you agree with that net
assessment do you think that that full
disclosure is too kind of cataclysmic
for the average person well there's
difference between full disclosure and
disclosure you uh full disclosure is
perhaps you know letting the world know
if we've gleaned any technological
advance from it you know towards our
adversaries I do think there's a need to
keep things classified um I do think
that there are reasons we don't want to
tip our hands to our technological
advantage over a particular adversary
right we don't want to start another
race you know weapons race um but at the
same time disclosure itself the fact
that we're we are not alone no I I think
I think America can handle the truth in
fact I think America deserves the truth
I think we have to do a better job I
think um we as a people need to stop
being spoonfed information from what
certain elements in our government tell
us and again let me let me just clarify
here because this is important I'm not
against my government if I have to ever
choose between real National Security
and disclosure I will always choose
National Security make no mistake and
people might oh you're terrible D hey I
am I am a patriot I am loyal to my
nation I am loyal to the American people
I mean like it's it's it's kind of a
two-pronged issue it's sort of criminal
to keep the nature of reality from you
know the American population that's sort
of really unethical the fact that stem
students are growing up maybe with the
wrong Frameworks I spoke to Al put off
he said that topological physics could
be being held within you know the
government you know that there's physics
knowledge held by aerospace companies
that is not know there certainly is
materials knowledge materials well okay
Material Science which involves
topological physics or
whatever that seems a little you know
off to me but then on another level even
from a national security perspective if
we have these programs you take Carl
Nell's you know he set up Army Futures
command you take his statements in the
debrief uh a face value which is that
we're in this arms race to reverse
engineer these crafts Visa Russia and
China if we have this balkanized
corporatized system where these with
these foms to avoid foyer requests that
was set up in the 50s and you have all
these Aerospace corporations many of
which you've named in your book locki
Northrup you know Bae all these sorts of
you know companies and
were sort of doing out you know you you
take care of this system you take care
of this system you take care of this
system and then in the Russian Chinese
side they have these centralized
nationalized systems with their best and
brightest working on it how are we not
and call this Manhattan Project 2.0 how
are we not going to lose Manhattan
Project 2.0 correct let me let me share
something with you and you I go back to
the whole corruption thing when when
people in the government are making
unilateral decisions not to inform
congress not to inform the executive
branch and making a decision to keep
this information away from the American
people uh without going through the
proper proper processes you know to make
that decision that's a problem I have
and look we when I ask how did I'm going
to ask you a very simple question both
of you and it's it's not political very
simple how did 911 happen do we know the
how 911 actually happened I mean not
conspiracy I mean honestly and it we
could say because some terrorists
hijacked an
aircraft but what really happened is
that we didn't share information we had
the CIA the FBI the Department of
Defense all had pieces and bits and
pieces of information and they didn't
share it with each other and that's what
caused 911 okay and that's important
because we won the Cold War against
Russia not because we kept better
secrets and by the way this is a line
that I learned from Christopher melon
who who knows his Chris said um we
didn't win the Cold War because we kept
better secrets in Russia we won the Cold
War because we knew how to move
information more efficiently within our
system right the problem is we haven't
learned our lesson with 911 and we're
continuing to do say the same thing with
UAP we haven't learned to move that
information appr appropriately and it's
staying in these silos and what's
happening it's it's becoming necrotic
it's the information and and insight is
dying there it's not getting out out um
and I think especially when you're
looking at a competitive situation
Global situation like we have now with
with adversaries out there Russia and
China have no problem talking about this
yeah at all in fact China had a couple
years ago in the China Morning Sun an
article about the five continents
initiative I mean they're full still
Boogie we they're like hey we know these
things are real we're moving forward
yeah countries in South America same
thing Japan just begged the United
States enter into a bilateral
information sharing agreement with the
United States solely for the purposes of
sharing UAP information it's crazy I I
recently a couple weeks ago I spoke with
uh head of revolutionary former head of
revolutionary technology at locki Skunk
Works and he said I could say high level
that we that we spoke really nice guy
cool guy he's a good dude I brought up
there you go I brought up uh couple of
Frameworks that if you were to talk to
an average you know um professor in any
Science Program across the country they
would call me crazy Paris psychology
this idea of Mind Over Matter you sort
of talk a little bit about this in your
book imminent with kind of remote
viewing and then I also brought up this
sort of you know different version of
electrodynamics you know sort of a
little change in Maxwell's equations and
he was very like there was a lot of
resonance there he agreed with me on a
lot of this stuff and I'm having this
conversation thinking how the hell does
this like
Renegade Scrappy kid who like it's like
I have a I have a history degree I don't
know and this Aeros Bas guy we're
agreeing on stuff and then like you have
Shan Carol Neil degrass Tyson like our
best and brightest scientists have no
idea what either of us would be talking
about it's
crazy sometimes knowing history is one
of the most important things you can
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know hear that
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Mom they seem to be interested in
nuclear stuff there is an absolute
connection to nulear yeah absolutely and
and is it that's unequivocal do you
think think it's the power unlock more
than the destructive
force I
think I'll shve that when I'm not when
I'm not like them yeah no worries so
let's look at this real quick you have
you have the fundamental understanding
of space you have points a yeah and
points B okay now you and I if I want to
drive from let's say here in Wyoming
down to Denver Colorado that's expressed
as a function of distance over time and
I could have gone 400 miles and it took
me 8 hours and I express that linearly
right so here I am near on it takes me 8
hours and if I had the ability to warp
space time not even that much you don't
have to fold it all you have to do watch
this if you have the ability to just
compress space time a little bit yeah
just a little bit now watch this right
I'm going to show you
this so
now my trip from Wyoming to Denver
instead of taking
you know 400 miles in 8 hours I can do
it in 100 miles and I can do it in one
hour right y but I'm still in the same
universe as you what do I see you doing
I see that you see that I see this
incredible hop scotch I see you so that
explains the observable crazy speeds
it's just temporal Dimension hacking but
it seems you're just a walk in the park
I'm going in slow motion but me watching
you whoa and this whole Space because
this is like this yeah the object inside
that bubble might actually be much
bigger than what we're seeing yeah so so
if uh E equals MC squared then the only
way to get this sort of SpaceTime metric
effect is if you have enough energy you
got it because if you do it the only two
ways to warp space time is with mass or
a lot of energy think of mass and energy
as the same thing mass is ice energy as
Steam okay but they're both water okay
so same thing kind of here energy and
have this relationship so you need to
get plank scale energy or something I
cannot if I use Mass to do this I'm
going I need I need Mass more than the
earth I'm going to perturb everything on
the planet so what's probably happening
it's it's a whole lot of that that is
that is doing that's allowing you to
create a bubble and then do that and
some material that's able to harness
that sort of energy which wow how conf
what would be your confidence level of
that theory being true I would not have
shared that with you if I wasn't highly
confident but that but how you can't
ultimately now right or you or can you
um you know there's some a lot of smart
people out there certainly a lot smarter
than me that have come up with some
interesting scientific models and uh
mathematical formulas that say that
could very well be the
case ASAP stands for the advanced
Aerospace weapons system systems
application program a pentagon program
that ran from 2007 to 2012 Harry Reid
the Senate Majority Leader from Nevada
with a deep personal interest in UFOs
Daniel Inu from Hawaii and Ted Stevens
senator from Alaska who had seen a UFO
as a fighter pilot in World War II all
provided a $22 million contract to
Bigalow Aerospace to basically study
UFOs and paranormal phenomena at
Skinwalker Ranch but as we've heard from
UFO whistleblower David grush the
original intent of the program was
actually far more ambitious the locky
Martin wanted to divest itself from this
material at a specific facility that's
known to me that I provided to the
Inspector General and the idea was if
they made a catcher mitt a security
catcher mitt for this at you know
most serious sa possible the contractor
and the other government customer which
was the Central Intelligence Agency um
for that specific
locked material and it was that
they recovered from like the 50s and
stuff and it was like bits and pieces of
of of of like Hall structure like
that so they were going to Tech transfer
it and the 21 or $22 million was
actually for Bigalow Aerospace to build
out you know facilities in Las Vegas and
material analysis equipment but going
back to that transfer with locki
basically the
CIA uh said you to DIA and locked
and it was totally killed so Harry
Reid's request to get the material
transferred to the assap program was
totally killed because of bureaucracy
and kind of fom stuff so ASAP was
actually set up to transfer a UFO held
by locking Martin to a special Access
program to get some Outsider civilian
scientist eyes on it the program was not
initially just set up to study orbs
cattle mutilations and electromagnetic
anomal on Skinwalker Ranch that's what
it got turned into when the craft never
got successfully transferred this would
explain the program lead rocket
scientist James latsky telling Jeremy
Corbell on his podcast weaponized that
he actually stepped inside the hull of a
craft that was probably the craft that
was going to be transferred to Assa the
United States government has in its
possession a craft of Unknown Origin and
you were able to access the inside is
that correct yes
it's very important to note that a lot
of people in the general public
implicitly accept assap as the most
secret core UFO program there is they
just released I think by accident how's
that happened it's kona blue you
familiar with this no this is like a UAP
program of some
sort just think about it locked spends
roughly $85 million on a single new F35
fighter jet do do you really think that
the same company that builds the F-35
would only spend $22 million on
investigating an off-world craft they
discovered no absolutely not but say you
have an incredibly secretive UFO program
involving only people who've signed the
most hardcore of ndas as time went on
maybe it would become harder and harder
to get Talent from the outside world
maybe you'd find yourself competing with
Chinese and Russian equivalents that are
far more centrally coordinated and maybe
what you do is set up a limited hangout
whereby you transfer some of that
technology without saying too much about
it to get some outside eyes on it so
that some new physics biology and
Aerospace Talent could look at these
mysterious vehicles and contribute their
input you'd probably learn a few things
this way number one who is worthy of
being initiated into the program number
two how much money would allow
adversaries to successfully understand
or attempt to reverse engineer a UFO
that they found number three what are
effective ways to throw people off the
trail and number four what are the most
effective but limited information sets
you can give out so that only the most
qualified initiates can discover core
truths the person involved in
transferring this UFO to assap was VP of
locky Martin Space Systems Advanced
Technology Center a guy named Jim Ryder
AAP was originally intended to skip out
Bigalow Aerospace facilities in Las
Vegas due to a UAP material divestment
plan proposal to assap leadership by
locked Martin Space Systems vice
president Dr James Ryder now deceased I
urge everyone to listen to this talk Jim
Ryder gave called the Garment of
God if you wanted to study certain kinds
of things related to what's called ESP
in the United States you had to hide it
very carefully because you were crazy
and then the government didn't want you
people to think they're supporting crazy
stuff but if you wanted to do the work
in Russia go right ahead fine here's
your money because they're not caught in
the religion that says it's not possible
I have to say I found myself agreeing
with just about all of his philosophical
and scientific Frameworks but he says
things you would never expect a prime
defense contractor executive to say he
speaks about love as a physical force
and divine love being the the highest
example of that Force he talks about the
law of attraction of extra sensory
perception and psychic abilities of an
electrically polarizable vacuum even of
the relationship of electromagnetism the
human body and healing he even
speculates that gravity is an electric
dipole I highly recommend you listen to
this talk I'm linking it in the
description of this
video one of the stories in imminent
which is May maybe the most mindblowing
is that um you and and some CIA
colleagues you guys have there's a
terrorist in custody and you guys are
engaging in remote viewing protocols and
you're testing out how effective they
are do you want to say what happens here
it's absolutely wild yeah
um Hal POF is kind of the The Godfather
of the cia's remote viewing program but
basically it is a fact that the US
government the intelligence Community
were were taking um spies and soldiers
and teaching them to conduct what in the
vernacular you call psychic Espionage um
and by the way the Russians had a
program too so it wasn't just us trying
to you know pull something out of thin
air you know again no pun intended but
um so were the so were the Russians and
other countries and there were some very
effective um cases where I mean it was
very very compelling the data I mean
there was no way you could repeat it
without the getting getting those
conclusions without remote viewers um so
uh I was at the Pentagon um I also
managed when I was running the UFO
program I was running um portions of
Guantanamo Bay involving high value
detainees and um we decided to conduct
an experiment where a few of us would
get into a skiff we had a brown black
lunch and we uh maybe thought we could
try to remove you um and uh I had been
to uh the Detention Facility
before uh I got really careful what I
say here I I can get a hell of a lot of
trouble
um not
realizing if we were effective or not
and then um lo and behold not too long
later a major news media article came
out I'm not going to say which one um
that detailed this detainee
experience with uh what apparently the
daine perceived as
as five white figures over his bed
shaking his bed and uh so I called a pal
PUD off and I I I told him I said hey
boss I you know um I think we I think we
need to stop because it's now on the
front page of the newspaper I might not
been the front page but one of the front
pages of the the sections there and uh
he kind of chuckled and he says yeah you
know there was another time where um I
had told Hal I said I have a really bad
feeling there's something going to
happen with the DC Metro uh within 90
days and I I can smell fire ir and smoke
and I'm I'm very concerned and he said
okay we'll log it and on the 89th day U
talk to Hal about it on the 89th day um
there was a fire fatal fire on the red
line of the metro and DC now with that
said listen that doesn't do as
hell woo woo mumbo jumbo look guys I
think there's a very scientific
explanation I think most people can do
it I think probably it's a vestigal
capability uh that we've had for a long
time as a species before we had you know
the the sophistication of verbal
communication um look when two dogs come
into a room there's this non-verbal
communication it's probably something
very similar I think it's probably based
in quantum physics if I had to guess uh
it's we don't quite understand it yet
but it's really not that special you
know a lot of people when you get to a
hotel and you pick up the phone you call
a loved one they like oh my gosh I was
just thinking of you right um probably
something very similar yeah it's but
it's it's wild and it's wild how much
corroboration there actually is for this
working there was you know this name
Jessica UTS who's this famous
statistician came in skeptical looking
at all of the kind of Foyd uh Stargate
or Declassified Stargate documents and
she came out of this study saying you
know I think there's something here Ray
Ray Heyman is a skeptic you know like
friends with like James Randy back in
the day was at University of Oregon also
went through everything and did we ever
do it the when we were at the uh we did
that yeah okay so you know again can't
be explained yeah but it's real I have a
I have a possible crazy explanation for
it okay maybe this is wrong but whatever
has to be going on has to not attenuate
over space time and you know certain
materials like put off as famous stories
of putting people at the bottom of the
ocean a submarine and they can sort of
remote view stuff from far away and so
what if there is you know this extended
version of electrodynamics like you know
there's this sort of other field where
uh you get certain wave types that
aren't kind of your traditional
transverse herzan wave sure quite possi
Poss yeah I don't know but that that
might be one possible inroad into this
yeah I mean a lot of people believe it's
it's you know based in in Quantum
quantum entanglement yes uh and that
human consciousness may be an actual
Quantum process I'm I'm not a
neuroscience scientist but but some have
speculated that that may be where human
consciousness lies it's an actual
Quantum process which would explain kind
of the understanding of how we interpret
time and what it means in the present
versus the past versus the future and
and how we can potentially perceive
elements of the future in the past as if
it's occurring now so yeah in fact like
you know Roger Penrose thought that the
brain was maybe a a Quantum system room
temperature Quantum system right and so
in Quantum Computing you can reverse
Cubit positions uh across Quantum
computations right and so uh even people
building quantum computers think that
maybe you can send information back in
time in a working quantum computer well
even you know the holographic Theory too
you know I'm not saying I I believe it
necessarily or I don't but you know
there's interesting elements there where
you have you know in holographic Theory
you have threedimensional
representation um of of of of an
existence a reflection that is actually
something else on the opposite end of
the universe and all information there
is there for all time and that um you
know we are living in a in what they
consider some scientists has called a
holographic World um it's called
holographic Theory very interesting um
but you know as we study black holes and
the Event Horizon more we begin to learn
about Hawking radiation and information
being lost versus stored um yeah there
there's some interesting theories out
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there so you talk about the Collins
Elite this Evangelical Christian group
actually being one of the primary kind
of blockers around U research and then
you even cite a story in imminent where
this guy says you know
Lucifer is you know is the his realm is
the skies and you know this stuff is
demonic and we should not study it at
all I believe there was a program at
right Airfield called stack five
st5 and they were doing these kind of
bizarre magical protocol ceremonial
magic and a lot of these people were
CIA people from the colins elite and
they came out of that being like this
stuff is demonic and we shouldn't touch
it and maybe the the thing that
you've experienced more of is the
Skinwalker Ranch stuff where people come
come out of you know exper being at
Skinwalker Ranch studying stuff there
and they say stuff follows me around in
my home and I have to rid myself of it I
I told you I went to Skinwalker Ranch
right after I saw you a couple years ago
I smelled sulfur and I was like I got to
get the hell out of here yeah and I and
I had a kind of not the best couple of
weeks after that and
so again yeah maybe it's the same thing
that we've looked at in the past when it
comes to Angels and Demons and then the
question is what is that I don't know
you know those are just different no but
well look if if you're going to go to
the scene of a fire don't be surprised
when you come home and your your your
shirt smells like smoke right same thing
but it may not be necessarily tangible
but you know perhaps there's there's
leftover residue call it that um you
know I think the problem is that we have
done such a good job in taking the
things that we don't understand and
because we don't understand them putting
them tucking them in a corner and saying
it's weird it's bad it's it's paranormal
but when you really look at
what what the word is we we we have
stigmatized that word the reality is a
the word parah is Latin it means above
or beside that's it and so when I say
parachute what do you think of you think
of a device that deploys over your head
and you float down and hopefully hit the
ground more with a thump instead of a
thud right right um if I say paramedic
we think of a first responder somebody
who's good who's in an ambulance there
to save your life but when I say
paranormal people tend to spooked up
yeah yeah they kind of look at you say
what do you mean they kind of look and
my point is that the word paranormal is
no different than any other word with
paree prefix um we have made it weird
but the truth is everything in science
by definition everything is Paranormal
until it becomes normal right whether
it's cell phone or or a Wi-Fi or
electromagnetic spectrum and things like
that um and so we have to we have to
really do a better job of policing
ourselves and avoiding this unnecessary
stigma this is why I said before you
know tomorrow's technology seems like
magic today you know imagine being Da
Vinci walking in the desert and coming
across a uh a garage door opener right
we hadn't invented plastic back then we
don't even understand what the
electromagnetic spectrum is right what a
battery is um that's pretty magical yeah
look I I'll tell you right now true
story a lot of us that are involved in
this you know people scientists right
have been now accused on social media as
being um conspiracy theorists right they
they label you as like a weapon they say
you're a conspiracy theorist no actually
I'm a scientist now the people that are
labeling you the conspiracy theorist
that they follow the scientific methods
aren't even scientists right I actually
went to school to be to be SCI and I I
became a special agent and following the
you know following the leads where they
where they go um but some people have a
really hard time pushing their
boundaries of understanding they allow
other people to formulate their opinions
for them and then they get stuck in and
this is why I always say the True
Believer and the true skeptic are
exactly the same person just opposite
ends of the spectrum because no matter
what no matter the face of what evidence
the True Believer and the true skeptic
are never going to change right right
this the same person and then and the
skeptic say oh you go crazy Believers
and the believer say oh you're crazy
Skeptics it's the same person it's just
you know depending on on who you ask
right because the true skeptic is
actually a True Believer just in their
own narrative and when people say this
stuff is not repeatable that's just
false there to me there are two patterns
that I think are interesting and I'd
love to get your take on this one is the
nuclear
connection according to Robert Hastings
a mutual friend of ours uh who wrote a
great book called UFOs and nukes 100%
he's right he is legit he is his
observations and and his conclusions are
spoton I couldn't talk about it at the
time when I was in the government uh but
we everything he was reporting we saw
yep it was absolutely correct and you
have These Guys these radar operators
you know ICBM missile security Personnel
who they couldn't be the the you know
the last thing from the people who want
15 seconds of Fame they don't get into
that line of work because they have some
history onic attention seeking you know
desire no you don't look you don't you
don't get involved in in in the UFO
topic to to seek fame um you want
ridicule and uh
you know right isolation then then
choose UFO topic look here's the bottom
line guys it's it's very simple it's
it's really a binary
choice either a the reality is that UAP
are here and they're doing what they're
doing or B this is some form of mass
hysteria and if it is mass hysteria that
means you have trained pilots with top
secret clearances flying live Munitions
over populated cities you have weapons
officers uh and you have Air Force
nuclear technicians literally with their
fingers on the nuclear button yeah right
you have Admirals and Generals you have
directors of CIA and directors of
National Intelligence that are all
batshit crazy right so choose your
poison yeah yeah yeah yeah it's and
which which is a bigger problem well
first of all what's even more scary if
it is a mass delirium yeah then we've
got bigger problems on our hands that's
what I tell people I say if your null
hypothesis is that there's some cabal
that is controlling all of this that's
crazier than just admitting that there's
some sort of intelligence Beyond
Humanity David grush July 26 2023
testified before Congress American hero
American hero amazing guy and he said
and a friend of ours and he said some
pretty crazy things and one thing that I
think is not often spoken enough about
well let let me just interrupt he may
say what people thinking are crazy
things but he's not crazy I'm telling
you right now I worked with the guy I
can't say where I've been asked not to
say where we both worked in a ski
together and he had every access that
you needed to have and he saw the same
information I did so I am telling you
straight up that guy he knows a lot more
even than he was allowed to say um you
know anybody out there who wants to go
ahead and poo poo Dave and say well you
know this anecdotal no it's not it was
oh well he he talked to 40 some
witnesses it's all secondhand no it's
not that's what that's the only thing he
can tell you but I'm telling you there's
a hell of a lot more that if he was
allowed to say um people wouldn't say
that about him I've gotten to know him
pretty well he's just incredibly smart
and hard it's a tragedy what they did to
him you know I'm not surprised they try
to do the same crap to me um you know
they try to dig up anything and
everything fortunately I've had a very
very clean background um but it you know
had to stop them from trying yeah you
know and and grush said very interesting
stuff around uh the atomic
classification system basically
overlaying UFO
secrecy the guy that were involved in
Manhattan were overlaying the same
ecosystem of secrecy and some of the
same ways to uh protect stuff that they
were protecting our nuclear secrets the
Manhattan Project would have custody of
it and then it would go into the atomic
energy commission and then it would go
into the department of energy which has
its own line of clearances and so it's
not only that UFOs are showing up at
nuclear sites all across the us but
actually you have an entirely different
clearance system the npq brother there's
reports right now online anybody can see
them the government released a bunch of
UFO related documents not too long ago a
few years ago thinking nobody would pay
attention I think like 10,000 reports
yeah and when you look in there you see
actual verbatim UFO incidents back in
the 50s and 60s over the F Savannah
River facility y over what Oakridge
National Laboratory over what LO Alamos
and by the way it's still happening
today right so um this isn't like oh
this is kind of a new revelation uhuh
James McDonald famous physicist who was
kind of very marginalized over this
topic he was at I think Arizona State I
believe he saw his sighting I think was
at Savannah riversite it was around them
I mean look at look at the that that
poor Harvard Professor right and and
they they tried to tried to get rid of
him and he won a law case John John Mack
that's right John Mack who had to go to
court yeah because um the system didn't
want him talking yeah
from my point of view when I got
involved the CIA came to my office and
then they showed me MRIs of some of
these people and most of those people
had interactions with UFOs and these
were Department of Defense and
intelligence people so supposedly and
reasonably credible individuals so in
looking at the MRIs of some of these
people we noticed a area of the brain
that seemed to be disturbed let's say or
different in many of these individuals
this is a part of brain known as the
quate pamin and it is a very specific
part of the brain it's responsible for
all sorts of stuff and and some of even
speculated precognition uh may but
certainly intuition intuition for sure
you did a great piece with with uh Ross
colart oh thank you he's a good man he's
awesome he's a very good man and he
really knows his stuff he does I'm very
impressed a lot more than he says that's
for D Stanford immunologist Dr Gary
Nolan has been researching this topic
and while his conclusions are not
definitive there are two working
theories one that people with naturally
large cord paman might attract uaps like
an antenna another that UAP encounters
with normal people cause that same part
of the brain to get bigger okay so this
is a slide from that news Nation piece
and it's you're you're showing this kind
of white matter syndrome
put put yeah so the the kodate and yeah
MRIs and and Nolan talks about this but
if you look at this look at the white
lettering under interference syndrome
injury CEO executive and then you
have what is that like doe gravity
propulsion what what's going on there I
wasn't really sure how to approach this
and don't want to dwell on it I'm merely
the messenger not the original publisher
of this it was th a up on news
nation's sources part or an intentional
breadcrumb but it answers my old
colleague Eric Weinstein's questions
around UFOs number one where are the
scientists well they might be employed
by the doe and number two is string
theory or quantum gravity really the
only acceptable approach to gravity
these days well my guess is whoever this
propulsion expert is is not using string
theory finally this corroborates Mark
inre and Ben Horwitz saying that a
National Security Council staffer told
them that elements of physics were
classified in the past we classified a
whole entire areas of physics uh with in
the nuclear era and and made them State
Secrets like of the of the like
theoretical physics yeah science of
physics uh we we classified them and
made them State Secrets um and that
research vanished again I wrestled
whether amplifying this slide was the
right thing to do or not but to me it is
obviously not adaptive from an American
National Security standpoint for the
broader American po
to have no idea that there is a more
true science being practiced within the
confines of three-letter government
agencies especially with where the world
is headed now and then there's that part
yeah that seems important too but I'll
let you speculate there either way a
more full understanding of the story
here and how it relates to UFOs seems
warranted I am only allowed by the
Pentagon to talk about what's in my book
I have not been given clearance to talk
about
anything beyond that um and because that
involves a patient that also crosses the
patient confidentiality which I would
also not be able to no words to
elaborate on yep because I was I was I
was thinking keep asking your questions
well yeah I know well don't don't ask
anything you don't have to say anything
but I I was thinking when I saw that
slide it's almost like the three body
problem or something where it's like we
were just talking about possible like
like the nhi have counter Intel or
something or scientists working on the
most interesting stuff maybe they get
retaliation or backlash because I was
like what's the connection with UAP I
mean he's just working on very Advanced
science did he also encounter a UAP and
then is that correlated with the science
we know that you know it said PRC visit
CEO of uh of of locki had his own UFO
experience didn't he yeah oh that's
fascinating are you you're talking about
um Kelly Johnson that's right yeah at
approximately 5:00 p.m. uh Mr Johnson
was looking out of a large window facing
the west and just watching the sunset he
watched this black thing he was
convinced at this point that it was a
UFO he said it was moving so fast he was
unable to make out any additional
features Kelly Johnson wasn't just your
average guy looking at a cloud going oh
that's a UFO no this guy knows what he's
talking about you know I go to Congress
and and members of Congress will pull me
aside and said look I had my own UFO
sighting with my son literally fishing
in in in a lake and the thing came out
of the
water in your book imnet which is
fantastic and everybody should go by and
read uh you talk about green orbs and
that you see them both with your family
and that they're kind of around your
place in Wyoming we visited you a couple
years ago I don't know if you remember
this do you remember what we're about to
say yeah do you know what we're about to
say I don't but but you know it's um
I've had a pretty uh interesting life
and a lot of things have happened so I'm
bracing myself all fairness by the way
that whole thing with a poodle in the
lampshade there were no pictures it
wasn't me so if that's what you're
getting at no no no yeah well this this
is probably a Tuesday for Lou but we saw
a green orb with you I don't know if you
remember that it was it was night time
it was a and it was kind of a peak I
remember as it being a peak moment in in
like a very genuine conversation about
the phenomenon cuz it was off he was
describing how uh the sun is a nuclear
fusion reactor and you were going deep
into the science it was fascinating and
then all of a sudden boom right over the
we by the shed yeah and it was like we
had NE I had never I think Jesse had
seen stuff before but I had never see
anything and I always because it was
only happened in my my peripheral vision
I I always call it half a sighting but
when I read up when I when I read about
your experiences in the book it really
it came back very strongly because I was
like holy I have experienced what
what he's talking about with him at his
house uh a lot a lot of folks have um
look I I at the end of the day I I can
only give you my observations uh again
my opinion doesn't matter because people
say could it be ball lightning sure say
ELO fire sure could it be uh weird
Electrical uh circuitry in the house
that's causing I atmospheric ionization
in a localized area and ionizing the
atmosphere of Gap sure could be uh what
I do know are the facts that it was
witnessed not only by me and my wife and
my kids but also our neighbors uh but it
occurred when I got into atip and it
also was happening to other individuals
that were part of that program that
again definitively same description in
some different colors U their stories
will probably be coming out here in the
near term wow what was the closest
you've experienced an orb right here oh
wow wow with because with you like the
experience that we're talking about was
probably maybe 10000 met away it was
like even further than that yeah yeah it
very very very close um some are far
away in the sky as you describe some are
right there close and personal wow um I
never felt anything never felt any
static charge I was never afraid more
just kind of curious kind of like wow
that's interesting you know but then
again my the whole portfolio was so
weird it's like there's got to be a
freak out like I don't think maybe this
and again obviously you've had experienc
in some crazy situations worked some
crazy places but I I can't imagine a
human experiencing something that can
only be described as out of this world
this close and for it to be like ah I
guess I'm just observing like when we're
off camera I'm going to show you guys
something okay and and we we'll we'll
I'll show you something that
and we we'll see how you react wow okay
wait okay um Lou so uh Dave said that
Dave grush said that uh Oppenheimer was
part of setting up the original UFO
secrecy protocols with the atomic energy
commission uh can you confirm or deny
that I'm I it wouldn't surprise me I I
that was before my time I don't know I
didn't know Oppenheimer I met teller
once you met teller yeah when I was a
kid I was about 7even years old on a air
Florida uh flight my father uh had some
friends in the government and he uh put
me on a plane with him and we went from
Sarasota to Miami on a air Florida
flight and there was uh he was eating
very old at the time I remember sitting
next to him and he eating chicken soup
no way yeah and I had no idea at the
time his significant only later my
father was like you know he had to have
to me been involved in this stuff if
this stuff exist he was the smartest guy
he you know um there's this 1971
Australian document actually that grush
sites a lot that is this guy I think
it's a head of their nuclear division
this guy Harry turner He's writing for
the joint intelligence organization
which is their CIA and I think they
because there's some Atomic Testing
going on in in Australia they start to
see stuff and they're like oh maybe
these UFOs are more real than meets the
eye and the US kind of official version
of this stuff around Blue Book was
actually not super real and they start
to investigate and it's this whole thing
about the cia's office of scientific
intelligence they lists the scientists
involved in anti-gravity research and
Teller and Oppenheimer are both named so
would not be at all surprised pretty
pretty crazy stuff small community small
community close the third time
mhm yeah you kind of had to see the
movie before I brought you here 100% oh
yeah I've only seen contact recently too
never seen it oh really you can watch it
I think Carl San was he was kind of
nominally skeptical of a lot of UFO
stuff but I think he uh maybe secretly
was more of a Believer than he on well
you know he was the one who helped put
that Golden Disc together that's now in
our
extra solar system right outside of our
own solar system mhm it's truly an
Interstellar space yeah you know why
would he take the time to create
something like that if he didn't expect
someone to look at it one day
right Carl Sean didn't only hold some
covert possibly UFO related meetings the
public didn't know about he also met a
lot with kit green towards the end of
his career who was CIA guy bury into
UFOs yeah you were telling me that I I
know that his early journals are filled
with p mesages about UFOs and
extraterrestrial life but you might not
know he was a secret consultant on a
project called a119 a top secret Air
Force Project based out of Kirtland Air
Force Base the Project's sole purpose
was to contemplate detonating a nuclear
blast on the moon as a show of force
against the Soviets America can should
must and will blow up the moon and we'll
be doing it during a full moon so we
make sure we get it all many people
don't know this about Carl Sean I think
it takes just reading his book watching
his videos and watching his incredible
movie contact to know that Carl Sean
knew a little bit more than he let on
when it comes to
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UFOs where do you think of past
civilization if they were trying to make
themselves known what do you think they
would do leave something in a lonian
point well that's a great question isn't
it let's look at this for example okay
55 million years old and look at the
condition it's in right mhm it's already
eventually Mother Nature washes away all
traces right the pyramids of Egypt 5,000
years old probably older but I don't
know may let's say 10 yeah sure let's
say 10 right yeah you think so you think
so yeah but what about carbon dating
have they carbon dated anything well you
can't carbon date stone unfortunately um
but it's it's a little more diff only
organic things but yeah but the there's
water damage on the line the nose of the
SP correct there two guys John Anthony
West and Robert shock that think that
these things were sort of built early
and then you were saying well my point
being is that ultimately no matter what
you put on the face of the Earth will
eventually you'll have subduction zones
and will eventually go back into the
mantle of the earth and be recycled so
Earth is not anywhere to leave anything
permanent so then would say what about
the moon how about there's no atmosphere
no erosion how about I built a some sort
of thing on the moon you think there's
monolith there well let's you know
hypothetically let's put an artifact
there right yeah that'll be there
forever but even the moon isn't forever
there's going to come a point where the
the sun will become a great giant right
red giant and will engulf and consume
the moon okay so even moons are
susceptible same with asteroid impacts
Etc so if you're going to make something
truly enduring truly enduring there's
really only two ways to do it you either
put something out in deep space where
the chances are of it coming into
contact with something or minimal or
biology genetics because genetics is a
fingerprint and that will continue as
long as a species survives and finds
other places to live so with that
message and you can put a lot and the
beauty about DNA is that it
self-replicates yeah so that message in
essence if you code it right could be
there so what's as long as the species
survives so is that I don't know do you
have any leading um candidates for
genetic
uh you know past past civilizations
leaving their genetic so again I'm
biased because my background
microbiology Immunology parasitology
yeah so you know if you were to ask me I
would say genetics is a key you know DNA
deoxy ribonucleic
acid but it's not the only key right
there was a time where we as a species
thought all life form had DNA we now
realize that's not the case there's
there's living things that don't look
like a living thing like a like a virus
M that is about as alien as anything
that we know there is no DNA only RNA
and yet it does the same things we do it
replicates it does a lot of the same
things it defends
itself um and so is you know a virus a
life form well I think some scientists
would say yeah behaves just like a life
form it also gets into the brain stem
and can cause people to act in subtle
way to promote the replication of the
virus absolutely absolutely yeah like
toxo plasmosis absolutely yeah
absolutely so you know it's uh W what do
you think
guys it's
amazing look
here and listen to
that in a weird way it's like a similar
have you you've been to Egypt yeah have
you stood it FR appear there's always a
sense that I feel like just standing up
I feel the same way about this it's like
not in reality yeah
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this is a sp1 very very rare
AR-15 um it's kind of the unicorn of
AR-15s it shoots a 223 caliber I've got
plenty of 223 ammo I'm using iron sights
and I'm doing for a reason okay iron
sights are the hardest to shoot from but
this is old school if you can shoot with
an iron sight and put bullets on a
Target you can shoot any okay so you've
gotten spoiled now with this laser site
now we're going to go back to old school
on
S so believe it or not with an iron
sight you see where those trees are in
the back there yeah 300 M 900 ft for
military she wouldn't shoot sniper I had
to shoot that every time where the
there way up
there oh yeah I sh yeah absolutely bro a
common theme Here is we keep talking
about the term National Security and I
know I know you're you're here to
interview me but let let me interview
you just for a moment if I may if I if
you'll indulge
me how do we this is a Sandbox here
right let's say there's a technology now
there's there's a toy that there's 12
kids in the sandbox but there's only one
toy right
um this toy has the ability to let
everybody play together and be nice the
problem is human nature is such
that most kids most governments in this
case using it as an analogy are going to
want that toy for
themselves how do we share the toy how
do we use this because we we know
there's countries out there that if they
had a certain type of Technology they
would probably employ it very quickly uh
to their advantage and I'm not saying we
have never done it because we have I we
dropped the bomb we did we're the only
country that's ever dropped the nuke you
know well an atom bomb um and that was
us you know so we like to say oh we're
afraid of it well don't look now but we
did we were the ones who did it um for
good or bad or indiff right that that's
a fact established fact so so countries
will use technology if they feel that
they have to in a time of conflict with
this type of Technology if we were to
come together and say look we really can
do better as Humanity we don't have to
fight each other right now this is on
the backdrop right now of Hamas and
Israel Ukraine and Russia right we have
issues in Africa we have issues right
now with China and the South China SE
and Taiwan and the US and the world is
on fire doesn't matter what side of the
argument you're on I think we can all
agree that the world is a very dangerous
and violent place right now right this
technology has the chance to either
bring us together or completely rip us
apart once and for all right like
there's no coming back
how do you solve that
problem it's a very hard problem to
solve but it's only the hardest problem
to ever you have to you have to raise
people's Consciousness in step with slow
dissemination of the thing or something
but how do you stop that Temptation
because all it takes is one selfish kid
to ruin it for the rest remember one kid
now it's my toy probably just show them
the the good ways in which this
technology could be used before you even
just tell them that it exist who who
does that who going to take the moral
high road and say I give to you this
technology and you shall use it for
peaceful
means who has that who has that moral
Authority who's trusted enough in the
world to do that and to say you will use
it for this but not for that who I think
it's probably going to be just a
collective
move and something that is like an
emergent property of a lot
of good people with good minds and good
Hearts coming together to what who is
that the United Nations I think it's is
it is it is it Society or at large well
this maybe the nhi maybe the entities
themselves I mean we were with James Fox
the other week in Austin great guy and I
was talking to him and he was like I'm
making all these documentaries and the
thing that has come up after Decades of
doing research on the UFO subject
whenever I'm about to find Smoking Gun
proof of UFOs I have you know a video
here a picture here you know an amazing
eyewitness the thing disappears there's
some like ephemeral bizarre thing about
that and then if you we're talking about
the nuclear connection as well it's
almost like there is a counter Intel on
the part of the nhi themselves where
it's like Mass surveillance and it is it
is there right when it needs to be there
and things will disappear and it's our
most precious assets it's our nuclear
assets they'll get by our most intense
encryption from the NSA and so that my
answer to that would be like there's
it's like the three body problem they
know we're going to blow ourselves up so
they clamp down on the science and
they're responsible for a lot of the
productive science would Humanity be
okay with an Overlord an nhi Babysitter
Is that freedom are you really free then
if an nhi were to come down and say okay
folks this is a reality
ha haa we've been kind of playing with
you a little bit but here's reality
you're all going to play well with each
other you're all going to be able to to
enjoy this free energy and whatnot um
but uh you're going to play by all rules
now what happens now what happens to to
Free Will at that point humanity is
faced with the reality potentially that
we're not the alpha species right and
now that we have to do what something or
someone else tells us to do is that free
manifestation is that the ability for us
to to live our lives the way we want to
live our lives or the way we are told to
live our lives but isn't isn't that
already happening in some version of
reality with people believing that you
know end of the world is upon us that
our government do all the time we told
what to do all the time by governments
and religion and institutions
organizations Social Clubs absolutely
ptas I mean I can't tell you how many
societies are out there that you know um
tell you how to live your life well I
mean look and they're not all bad but
we're in a place right now that has
specific rules on you know how one
should live their life but wouldn't
these entity I thought this is what I
thought you were going to say aren't
they already in control and it's just
about our awareness of whether they're
control or not I I once I got breakfast
with Tom dong who I know you worked with
that to the Stars Academy and he was
saying that um he thought that a lot of
these nhi are not great and that they
are like archons from the kind of
Gnostic tradition and they kind of rule
over the material world sort of thing I
you know I
I I'm always very careful not to share
my opinion because my opinion doesn't
matter at the end of the day what
matters is your opinions it's again back
to the question I had about this little
sandbox right you've got this
double-edged sword you want to be able
to give it to everybody but not
everybody's going to play not all
children are very nice to each other and
we still I mean like I said look at
today right now around the world the
world's on fire we still don't play well
with each other are we ready and I'm and
and it's not a yes or no I mean I don't
know you answer the way are we
ready truly ready for the truth to come
out will we do the right thing or will
we do what we have always done in the
past always there's not one exception
where we
didn't use it against one
another I'd like to believe that it's
that that we will make a better choice I
think can we take a chance are you
willing to take a chance on on it the
hyp the specifics matter in this
hypothetical yeah they do they do no but
you understand where I'm going with this
right so there we're talking now we're
not we're we're Beyond really the yeah
the everybody says well I want to know
the truth okay but but how much of the
truth do you want to know and how much
should we know and then what do we do
with it and can we be trusted with it
right so there's a there's a cascading
series of questions that come after that
philosophically speaking and you know it
goes back down to the point where the
original conversation that Hal POF
discussed with you about publicly I
can't believe he did that about the
White House in 2004 are we ready to tell
the American people the truth about
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UFOs yep
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y you know until recently I'd never seen
Close Encounters of Third Kind I found
it really interesting that
Spielberg got a lot of it right well I
was like Wow Alan was his consultant oh
was it HCK doing that I know in it yeah
did he actually give and Jo Val I guess
he was heik assistant for a while I mean
I found that fascinating that I was like
wow some of these observables are like
textbook right out of he has radiation
damage he's that's right yeah that's
right one piece of that movie outside of
there being crates that say TRW and
Skunk Works uh that I think are pretty
pretty fascinating around this topic is
um out of the craft not only are these
gray aliens but World War II soldiers
come out of the craft and there's
actually a conversation that stepen
Spielberg who probably knew a lot about
this topic you know grew up writing
about this stuff so clearly very into
UFOs he had a conversation with this guy
Robert leafield I think the the um
creator of Deadpool and he says what do
you think is more likely is it future
versions of ourselves guarding Us in the
present or is it you know
random you know aliens from Zeta
reticuli or whatever and so that was
that was his View and if you look at a
lot of the databases like the Edgar
Mitchell database over 50% of the cases
uh report homid like creatures sure and
so the likelihood of evolutionary
convergence on random XYZ planet with
totally different conditions feels very
low compared to you know you're seeing a
thing that looks like us in fact you're
seeing a thing in a gray alien that
looks like what we are evolving into our
ears and nose are The Stig our heads are
becoming selected for so I guess unless
they're trying to just give us a form
that can be closer to our understanding
of what a living being is if a jellyfish
why not like that but why not just look
like us that's fair that's fair do you
think that we'll ever have time travel
in our lifetime and the reason I ask is
because there's a guy named Mike Masters
I don't know if you're familiar with him
he's a an evolutionary biologist at
Montana Tech uh University and he's
written a couple of interesting books
one called identified flying objects
another one called EXT tempests and it's
about this idea that actually if you use
basic inductive logic around the UFO
phenomena it's more likely us from the
future uh or us time traveling versions
of us than it is
extraterrestrials so the problem with
time travel is that in our current
understanding of physics in the universe
you can only have the the
the the mass in the universe is
definitive matter there's only so much
matter um or energy there's there's
there's a there's a limit it is it is
what it is from the beginning to the end
that doesn't change you convert
ultimately matter into energy but
there's only so much of it and if I were
to go back in time even just me uh go
back even five minutes ago I'd be going
into a universe where the mass was X and
now it's X Plus Lou
even though there's because there's
already a Lube back there technically so
you would have to figure out a way to
overcome that two two possible ways to
overcome that issue one is if the
universe is information theoretic or
something that would be one so it's sort
of computational correct especially like
in a
holographic the correct correct and then
number two would be if we are sort of
our own universes unto ourselves and we
have consistent lifelines but we can t
time travel the whole thing sort of
updates back around us sure as we are
sort of the universe viewing itself is
time travel possible I don't know you
know in quantum physics when you get
down to space time at the very very
small level the notion of space time
breaks down entirely same thing in let's
say a black hole right once you get past
that events when you get towards a
singularity space and time is Twisted so
much and and and that the very notion of
SpaceTime breaks down it doesn't make s
it's
nonsensical well first of all what is
time let's let's look at in reality what
is time what is matter even right time
is a
measurement that it takes to travel from
point A to point B yeah that is the
definition of time yeah okay what is
matter matter is in essence something
that occupies space yeah then you have
to ask a question but you can not travel
distance and time will still persist
biology will still Decay actually that
depends no if you have to the total the
universe you have total static Universe
time does not exist the only way time
exists is if you have a comparison of
motion so once the universe one of the
theories that the universe will
eventually expand expand expand and then
eventually every thing in even the atoms
the electrons will stop spinning and
when that occurs on the last atom in the
farthest reach of the universe time
stops because there's no way to measure
time anymore so let's start with a a
fundamental basic question
of matter because you met time can only
be measured with the motion of matter to
some degree so what is matter and what
is space well matter occupies space can
you have space without matter yes can
you have matter without space no there
must be something for matter to exist
within now let's say
hypothetically Amar pops into the
universe nothing around him
here I am universe but I don't know what
the universe is because there's nothing
else to compare it to it's just empty
space right reference all of a sudden
now you pop into the universe and you
see a r right now you have no idea the
notion of distance or scale with just
two things in the universe because you
both could be the size of an atom or you
both could be the size of galaxies
there's no way to compare right and same
with distance you know that he's there
but is there 10 light years or is it 10t
or is it 10 in right only when a Mars
starts to move from you mhm you can
start saying there's motion but you
still don't know speed yeah or distance
you just see motion now all of a sudden
I pop into the reality now there's three
of us yeah right and now you can start
for the first time looking at
scalability he Amar can compare me to
you and say Lou is oneir denser than you
you you are 1/3 taller than I am right
and in comparison then Amar can look at
himself okay and I'm kind of somewhere
in the middle there's some baseline and
that becomes a unit of measurement
exactly exactly but the question I have
is if you just leave biology sort of in
existence it will Decay like T there's
no yes enop entropy but but that doesn't
mean necessarily when when that decay is
complete meaning all motion stops mhm
that's what decay is the movement of of
of separation of of of matter atoms from
each other right that's Decay or
decomposition but when that stops and I
mean stops even at the at the atomic
level electrons cease to spin around the
nucleus of an atom MH time stops there's
no reference for time there's no way to
measure it time doesn't keep going
because there's no reference to measure
it it it now becomes nonsensical yeah
and so that and and there is part of the
problem about time because time to some
degree is is a invention of human beings
it is that fourth dimension you have
three-dimensional space time being a
function of the fourth dimension but
time is relative and we now know that
through Einstein observations relativity
looking at for example geosynchronous
satellites that are orbiting the Earth
the atomic cesium clock that is on that
spacecraft runs distinctly different
than the than the ground station clock
even though it's the exact same atomic
cesium clock and that's because the the
mass of Earth is a affecting the ground
station clock more than yeah more than
the spacecraft up there Che it what
you're movings right that's right we'll
move in as well so so we really need to
understand what is matter what is space
and what is time those are the
fundamental real elements of the
universe forget about particles yeah
just just the notion of space matter or
mass time how put off thinks that maybe
uh the way these crafts UFOs move is by
manipulating the SpaceTime metric
through promoting gravity uh basically
from a constant to a field variable
correct correct do you think that that's
possible that's that's what we were
looking at a tip uhhuh that's absolutely
the fundamental Theory that's not a
possibility that's that's exactly what
the mathematical formulas are are are
are
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suggesting do you think in some ways
that you know like the the idea of
signature management like there's some
way in which the what's being
recollected is sort of uh managed in
some way or mediated rather you know
some people some people have speculated
that when you look at the old UFO
pictures and compare them today there's
an evolution and that people are seeing
what is in their current construct for
them to understand yeah um others
suggest know that these technical
vehicles have been around for a very
long time um one of the photos you
showed me there I was a little bit
skeptical of the one that shows him in
like a little rocket ship because when
you look at the back and by the way
there's been a lot of hoaxes that have
come out when you look at the end of
that rocket ship M there's a a cone like
this an exhaust cone that is for rocket
propelled combustion mhm uaps don't use
that no visible prop what do you guys
think about this topic from your
perspective and and your views on how
this is now playing out on the
international scale this the
international stage of this conversation
well I see two I see two things one is
that it's just it's this cynical kind of
condescending treatment of the American
people that they just can't think for
themselves they can't handle the truth
and I actually think a lot of the world
right now you know Rel organized
religion is in Decline and to your point
Lou these this this fact this greater
ontological truth is marrying the
religion of today which is really
science with past religions because
we're looking at something that is
observable in a modern context in the
form of uaps this is studi but then it
comports with all these religious texts
and actually a more magical version of
the universe that you know is much
easier it's it's the way Skeptics the
way Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher
you know these sorts of Sam Harris write
off religion so I think this kind of
lame low energy you know early Cold War
thinking that it would just be too
destabilizing is just dumb at this point
and then there's the side of American
National Security which is equally
absurd it's equally like if in the world
in which this is real which I'm pretty
bought into this being real uh it's like
you have this cargo cult of National
Security apparatus where the left hand
can't talk to the right hand nobody has
the proper scientific Frameworks and I I
TR it's like I get deep into some of
these things and like I don't I feel
uncomfortable reporting on some of the
stuff that I learned because I'm like is
there anybody there like I'm not trying
to poke a hornet's nest
gratuitously I just want the whole thing
to shift in a way that's more
coordinated for our national security
because I'm very pro- Amer and so that
frustrates me because it's like there's
no one to talk to like who's in charge
like what's going on there H clearly
have been efforts in the past Allah ttsa
to like get this stuff out you know in a
safe way and I actually empathize with
some of these people who are involved in
in in those efforts because they're not
the president of the United States and
it's and they were tasked by
three-letter agencies to do things that
they didn't really want to do you know
years ago um but like it's it's it's too
little and and and too late or something
like we need to do it now and we need to
just kind of like reorganize all this
stuff so it's like those two things like
personal meaning and you know the way
everybody should comport themselves and
and live their lives and view religion
and metaphysics and then this other
thing is this American national security
thing which is it's a tragedy like I I
don't understand what's going on there
as someone who is Guided by the phrase
seek discomfort in my life I think this
is probably one of the greatest ways one
can seek discomfort to just like
reconsider these assumptions that we've
made about about reality and what this
could all
be there is perhaps no better
demonstration of the Folly of Human
conceits Than This distant
image to me it underscores our
responsibility to deal more kindly with
one another and to preserve and cherish
the pale blue dot the only home we've
ever
known I think we've reached the level of
maturity that that a part of the reason
of that the you know the phenomenon is
is becoming a mainstream topic and more
and more people are getting are becoming
aware of it is because
I think we have we are getting there as
like in terms of our Collective
Consciousness and more people are waking
up and I think events like Co have
accelerated that by by by a whole lot
that now you know trust in government
isn't all is it an all-time low trust in
in MA in mass media is an all-time low
and I think people are just realizing
that government lies all the time and
you know you have and you know why
because Government is made of people
yeah
Government is made of people people lie
there's something that that deceive
there's something that came to my mind
when you were asking that question it
was uh Terence McKenna talking about one
time he the mushrooms told him that we
what we're going through is uh right now
is is like the final step before we
venture into the into the Stars yeah
breakthrough and it's like it's a fire
in a mad house and just all this chaos
is happening because
you know we're in the precipice of of
just a massive paradigm shift and I
that's what it like intuitively and
inside of me it's even part of my
interest in me pursuing this topic is
because I really feel like we're at the
cusp of something really major happening
and and a part of that is you know your
efforts and you know throughout the past
two decades and you know 2017 with just
putting the the videos in a on a
platform that was you know perceived as
as a trusted one as the New York Times
and that Story coming out has definitely
was the beginning of the shift that were
that allows us to be sitting with youday
I I don't I think I think you guys are
the reasons why we're having this
conversation because it could have fell
in deaf ears and nobody would care my
generation didn't care that much yours
did you're the reason why this topic is
where it is today not me I may have you
know struck the match but this bonfire
this Wildfire that's you guys you guys
are the wind you guys have taken that
little look fire are made all the time
and they go nowhere they're extinguished
with the next rain or they're
extinguished because you don't have
enough Tinder they don't have enough
oxygen this is a a raging Wildfire now
and it's not because of me I can't take
credit for that it's because of what
your generation has done with this what
you and if if strength is if if there's
strength in numbers then I think our
numbers are pretty damn good like I
think there's way more good people that
want good things to happen with
disclosure and with more people being
aware that the reality is so much
greater than we than we ever thought and
also the dissemination of information is
now exists in a way that it cannot be
controlled and I think this is the the
new variable that that hasn't existed in
you know in the previous decades as this
topic became you know as the secrecy of
the topic became more and more uh uh
like affirmed so so I think now you
can't you can't stop a United pilot from
posting a Tik Tok saying that he just
saw something crazy in you know like and
I think if what was last week two pilots
in Saudi Arabia are flying and and they
saw some crazy or action this they're
like this is not a plane and it's and
they're like right there they upload the
video as soon as they land and I think
those are the things that just you know
the US government or any government then
could didn't have to deal with 20 years
ago I will also say too I think the you
know Society in some cases I think has
gotten I hate to say the word Dumber in
some cases but I will also tell you I
think it's also gotten a hell of a lot
smarter when I was your age to have a
conversation like this I I was too busy
chasing girls working as a bouncer you
know here we are three people in our
nation's
capital having a conversation what may
be the
quintessential topic of
humanity
and the where we go as
Society forward is in your hands um and
so for things like that and your
audience's hands um when I when I get to
meet and engage with people like you and
and your
audience it gives me Faith it restores
my faith um in in our species because
you guys and your your audience your
generation or excuse upon pun but light
years ahead of where where my generation
was um and for that it gives me a lot of
hope that maybe we can handle the truth
maybe maybe you know what maybe we can
find a way where the kids in the sandbox
can play together right if you can't
give the you can't break the toy in 12
pieces maybe you put it in the middle of
the sandbox and rather than letting
every child takes turns playing with it
you make a game where all the kids play
with it at once right so you don't have
to divide the toy so that's what I was
kind of hoping we could get to in this
conversation is you know you have 12
kids in the sandbox you've got one toy
how do you share it yeah that's be
simultaneous simult you don't share what
you do is you create the game where all
of them get to play with it at the same
time and that's how you do
it are you exhausted of just talking
about this and and and spending the last
few years of your life just being so
deep in it that probably the way you
like I would assume like the it's almost
like Connections in your life to other
human beings are probably predominantly
led by the topic like does it does it
never get to you on a personal
level
wow
uh yeah but not in the way that you
might
think I'm pretty tired I'm I'm I'm
I'm physically mentally emotionally I
don't know how much more I have U
because it's been a multif front battle
for me it's not just a esoteric
conversation it's a conversation that
that the stakes couldn't be higher and
there are elements there that don't want
me to have a conversation at all and I
working very hard to keep me quiet and
um you know there's days I wake up
honestly and say I made a mistake I
never should have did it I never should
have come out and told
people and then there's other times I
wake up and get to talk to people like
you and I say okay it's worth it it's
worth it no matter what happens to me
it's worth it uh but at the end of the
day dude I'm just human you know and I'm
not perfect and I I get tired like
everybody else I get cranky and angry
like everybody else and you know um I
think my biggest concern is a lot of
people look at me and and they
ascribe a trait to me that's first of
all
undeserving um and um and not earned you
know it's like oh lose this this guy has
got this you know super insight and and
intellect and I don't just as lost and
confused as everybody else he just
happened to have access to some
information that I think is is worth
telling because you know was given a job
and the results of that were very you
know I think very very important for for
us to communicate to our our fellow men
and women our fellow citizens but I
don't have all the answers you know I'm
on the same Journey as
you you know and people look at me as
you know almost like Moses on the
mountain right you know let's ask Lou
let's confer with a great Oracle I'm not
that guy
I'm not that guy I'm I'm I'm I'm down on
the mountain off the mountain with you
I'm I'm I'm we're shoulder Tosh shoulder
man that's you know I'm looking for
answers just like
you and um you know always being true to
yourself and being honest being able to
admit that and tell people a lot of
people think well you know the people
you have all the anwers well yes I have
all the answers you know what I am
special and dog on it I I deserve to be
treat special and that's all hor
that's the ego and and you you gota you
gotta get rid of that you know this
conversation is is far more profound far
more important and it can't be about any
single one person I'm just a messenger
man and that's it you know don't confuse
the message with the messenger because
I'm I'm I am far from perfect I I am not
I've made a lot of mistakes in my life a
lot of regrets I have um you know that's
what makes me human you know
so you
know Lou are you hopeful
I have two daughters um the greatest
accomplishment and create in and
and have the greatest accomplishment of
My Life
um I will never come close to ever doing
anything like that again um I have to be
hopeful for
them even if there's some cynicism in me
I have to you know I often tell people
um I love Humanity it's hum I don't like
because on an individual basis they tend
to be very selfish and mean and spiteful
and you
know but Humanity r large I love I love
you know a lot of my feed on on on
social media is really it's uh it sounds
silly it's embarrassing but it's it's
looking at dogs and cats and animals
doing funny things and and and and and
communicating with their owners you know
that to me is is that gives me hope you
know you can turn on the news and see
all sorts of terrible things all day
long but then there are some sites where
you can turn on to and all of a sudden
it's just it's just real Joy right and
and what is Joy well ultimately at the
end of the day it's one of the univer
it's it's it's it's tied to one of the
most important things in the universe
which is Love Without Love there's no
purpose do you
think do you think that's the reason
whoever they are interested in us do you
think it has something to do with our
capacity for love I couldn't tell you
because there's there's just always a
specific um interview that actually Dr
John Mack uh conducted with some of the
witnesses from the the aerial school and
it's uh this girl from Zimbabwe that was
recounting her experience and he goes to
kind of like try to get her perspective
for why she thinks uh the visitors were
were there that she interacted with face
to face and she had had telepathic
downloads and she goes I think in space
there's no love but down here there is
and and I remember the first time I
watched that I like completely broke
down hearing it because something in it
just felt like like truth to me love
is love is life and and the reason why
we live is to love I believe now the
problem is in the absence of Love there
is fear and fear drives many things it
drives hatred and animosity and
violence but love is the opposite love
is is for me the reason why we even
exist without it there there is no
purpose there's no reason it's it's we
are automatons we are we
are chemicals put together in a soup and
that's it um Love is what What Gives
Life
Meaning um and I say that because I've
seen both the best of man and the worst
of
man all within second of each other
um you know it's a shame because on the
one hand I I spent so much of my time
ripping apart you know people in
Conflict um I would like to spend the
rest of my life helping put people back
together love is very was it is the most
important thing out
there if you were speaking to the
average stem student science and
engineering student in America knowing
what you know how would you tell them to
navigate middle school high school
college and study the world given the
reality of
UFOs in an academic
context because they're probably given
the wrong Frameworks I would say
sometimes to see clearly you have to
close your
eyes
um study not only with your mind but
study with your
heart because that emotional part of us
is just as important if not even more
important than our
intellect um if you want to understand
what's going on out there you have to
first understand what's going on in here
there's no way around it there's no
shortcut wow the word imminent you know
you write actually in the forward of the
book you say this is not mean meant that
there's you know some sort of imminent
threat necessarily but I I'm not going
to lie when I spend time with you we've
spent a decent amount of time together I
get the sense that you're sitting on
things that feel like very hard truths
it feels like
your uh existence like you want to say
more and you feel like you are uh you're
you're holding it together and uh that's
a tough spot to be in and so to the
extent you can talk about what might be
imminent what is
imminent time is not a luxury that we
can
afford we we the time has come we need
to start having the conversation
collectively
we should should have had it a while ago
but we we really need
to we really need to start having a
conversation I can't think of a better
note to yeah end on awesome guys it's
been an honor and privilege an absolute
honor for us really appreciate L
absolutely
brother got all right man you got it
brother thank you for what you guys do
man joh thank you that was awesome you
got it thanks for tuning into this
episode let me know what you thought in
the comments and a final announcement if
you are worthy and have made it to this
point in the video I starting a Discord
the link is
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no a please join it we're going to be
talking about all sorts of crazy stuff
secret science core UFO truths and the
nature of reality we explored a lot of
themes with Lou in this interview but if
there's a particularly important one
that I'd like to emphasize it's that the
left-hand path allying oneself with
Supernatural forces without the proper
intention almost most always ends badly
it certainly did for Jack Parsons father
of the American Space Program who blew
himself up but it did for faou and it
did for Prometheus before him seeking
Forbidden Knowledge and getting burned
is perhaps the most primordial human
story seeking the grace of God on the
other hand is always available and
infinitely more powerful this recalls a
quote from the 19th century French
author Charles bodair who wrote that the
greatest trick the devil Ever Told was
convincing the world he does not exist
my favorite variation of that quote is
the Renee Gerard version the second
trick of the devil is convincing you he
does while Lou hints sometimes that the
world is surrounded by entities that we
may consider not super great or bad they
are often paper thin and only as
powerful as you make them so focus on
the right things until next week my
name's Jesse Michaels thank you for
tuning
in I'm okay with the idea that you know
in my life time I'm not going to have
all the answers and that's okay because
that's what makes life worth living