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Video Title: "Luis Elizondo - Advancing The UFO Reality & Cognitive Human Interface (ETP 009)"

Luis Elizondo - Advancing The UFO Reality & Cognitive Human Interface (ETP 009)
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It was an honor to sit down with Lue Elizondo on Engaging The Phenomenon and discuss The UFO Reality, CE-5, AATIP, Human Cognitive Interface, and more. we talked about crash retrievals, materials, the UFO Threat narrative, and more. Appreciate Lue taking the time to discuss these topics.

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYUHEC4RAkM

Transcript:

hey everybody welcome to engaging the
phenomenon
and today we have a very special guest
mr luis elizondo who is the former
director of atip
and uh you know i want to communicate uh
to my audience that you know
louis zondo has has been a controversial
character he's been right
in the center of everything that's been
going on over the last few years
and i want to communicate before you you
judge
or or kind of try to place somebody as
something
you know when i see lou elizondo i see a
human being i see a father
you know i see a war hero i see a
husband
and we would not be where we are right
now
if it wasn't for everything he did so i
you know i really want people to
understand that and
you know it's easy to see somebody on tv
and say that person's doing this or
you know anything along those lines but
uh you know
any anybody who i know who's who's known
lou over the years
has said he's a great guy and you know
i've seen him do nothing but
but good things for this community and
everything that he said
uh that you can uh back check you know
he's never said anything that was
dishonest so you know i have a huge
amount of respect for lou
so welcome loom hey thank you james this
is really my pleasure and
let me apologize to you and also maybe
some of your audience who
who are tuning in and listening to me if
for whatever reason having me on your
show
um takes away from anything that you're
doing i i apologize
my intent is not to to create
controversy
my my intent is to try to unite and heal
and move forward
uh on this great topic um and uh
my intent is not to come on here and
break a bunch of china my
my my hope is to come here so we can
have a conversation and your audience
um can can have an appreciation of why
it's so important
um we we all need to work together on
this you know no one owns the narrative
exactly and that's what i'm i'm you know
trying to communicate here is that you
know we should be working together
and um you know all the work i've seen
you do has has
pushed this subject forward and and made
a conversation
where um people can talk about this more
openly and look here i am
i'm somebody who you know would be
considered part of the ce5 community
and uh i you know i think you've done
great work
and uh you know i think working together
is the way forward
and like you said anybody who has a
narrative that's divisive in any way
um you know that should be concerning
and that's not the way of an ambassador
or anything like that that's not the
message that
that that kind of c5 work is even about
uh it's about bringing people together
and working together
you know if people want to communicate
with non-human intelligence ufos et
you have to work with humans first uh
james i'll tell you
look people say oh lou you don't believe
in ce5 look we talk to a different
species all the time i mean i've got two
german shepherds
and obviously they're not human and and
we communicate i think pretty damn
effectively you know i
they are these are sentient beings so
the fact that we can communicate with
other species
um you know that's i don't have any
issue with that and and
you know species aren't limited
necessarily to to dogs or even your
goldfish or something else if there's a
way
look i worked with with some of the most
forward-leaning scientists uh
in the u.s government folks like hal
pudov that that
did tremendous work in in the area of
remote viewing and things like that and
folks like kate green
and folks like eric davis so i've never
been against
ce5 what i'm against are people that
claim to have
the answer and are sure of it uh
and and force that on other people to
say i'm the only one that has the answer
i'm the only right way to go
uh that's that's my that's my problem i
think i think it's a perversion
of what what ce5 is all about you know
communication is two ways
it's not one it's not one way yeah and
that is my that is my issue when people
take a turn and worse is that when you
say ce5
now you're talking about a product and
by the way i saw this in the other world
of remote viewing where people will take
a concept that should be if it's valid
should be free for all
and instead people make a cottage
industry out of it they exploit and they
say well you if you want to do remote
viewing you can only do it my way
and here's a copyright i've copywritten
the entire process
here's how you do it you got to pay me
to do it that's that's what i
that's what i reject and i reject it i
reject it completely
totally i think it's it's it's
disingenuous and
it again it it perverts the very thing
that people are trying to achieve when i
talk to my dog
or or feed my goldfish i don't have to
pay somebody a royalty to do that
you know it's it's communication
shouldn't be
shouldn't be a cottage industry it
shouldn't be a commodity and
i think the only reason why we're here
where we are this conversation right now
is because we haven't made it a
commodity yet this is we've
we've opened this to floor to everybody
here's if i may just for a moment james
let me share with you my
my issue with with anything related to
ufos
there are too many people out there that
say me
mine or i okay uh it's it's
i i want to know and and and this is
important
and and if if if the evidence out there
isn't provided to me
specifically then then i'm going to
reject it this is a conversation about
we ours and us okay this is our
collective understanding is our
collective
mission this is our collective if you
will uh um
this is this is i'm trying to i want to
put this in right words because i don't
want to i don't want to say something
that's that's
you know going to be misconstrued this
is our journey this is our joint journey
together
and this isn't about me or mine or i
this is about
all of us and and this this journey is
like a big caravan
and if if one person starts getting way
ahead then it's no longer
a mutual journey and that's not what
this is about this this is about all of
us
coming to the realization that that this
universe may be far more complex than
we've ever really previously
acknowledged and so that's why i i
really
really detest when it's all about me
mine
uh and uh and i because this isn't that
this
that's not a journey then that's that's
that's uh that's a
at that point it becomes some sort of of
of personal
uh crusade
and and that's that's not that's not
that's not helpful to this
this conversation i mean i i could have
a long time ago turned to
to to you know this the way i think is
the only way to do it
um but i haven't and by the way i could
have been very successful with it
there's a lot of people that
out there probably would have followed
it but but that's not the solution
it's it doesn't matter what lou elizondo
thinks or believes what matters is what
the facts and the data suggest
and what really matters is what people
like you and your audience think and
believe
that's that's really what what's
important here and and as a collective
all of us working together you know i
think we stand a really good fighting
chance
of getting the disclosure everybody
wants but if we turn this about me
and my personal pursuits not meaning i
don't mean luis elizon i mean anybody in
your audience saying well
you know i haven't seen the videos out
there that are compelling so therefore
i don't believe it well you know it
ain't about you it's about us
and and when you talk about these
briefings being provided to
to senior members of our government you
know they're getting more compelling
data
you know recognize that and it's okay
that if you're not getting the immediate
answer you want right now because this
isn't
again burger king this doesn't have it
you're a way to have it now you know
we're
we're preparing an eight-course meal
here because this this topic deserves it
it demands it it's important enough
the last thing we want to do is do some
sort of half-baked disclosure all of a
sudden you just kind of
here it is on the table and you know now
what you got a big
mess on on your hands that's that's
that's not helpful
yeah yeah and just in short i i want to
say for people listening ce5 you know
the basic premise is you know
dr heineck and and valet have no noted
in the
in their work over the decades high
strangeness and part of the high
strangeness was
uh telepathy and conscious communication
with the phenomenon
ufos and ufo intelligence and and and
basically
all ce5 is broken down you know take
away terminologies and
semantics is just um turning that around
and utilizing you know mental
intention and you know whatever we can
say consciousness is
and being able to affect the phenomenon
or its technology in a way that's
responsive
and that's it you know and i do think
the idea of
of a public outreach to ufo intelligence
like
a citizen's diplomacy is not a bad idea
especially you know considering the idea
that nobody was able to get answers on
this for decades
you know now things are moving um
but again i really appreciate your words
on that lou
and just just in short for the audience
what like what is lou's
mission what's your mission truth man
truth that's
it truth and and let the chips fall
where they fall and let let
people make a decision and decide for
themselves what this means to them
it's true that's all it's ever been
about you know it's not about what lu
thinks like i said before
it's about what what what the data
suggests and and how
each individual is going to absorb this
information on their own
and and and determine how it's going to
to affect their their
their their own lives that's not it for
me to make that determination
it's always been about the truth even
when i was in the military when i was an
intelligence officer
it's always about finding the truth and
and and making sure that
at the end of the day that that that is
what does that's what guides our
decisions that's what guides our
decision-making process
truth and facts uh and sometimes those
truths and facts can even be
subjective people say well how can the
truth be subjective well
because sometimes we all have our own
personal truths
and and there's not necessarily always
universal truth that's why we have
democrats and we have republicans
that's why we have christians and we
have you know jews and
muslims and hindu and buddhists because
at the end of the day it it's we're
human beings
and and and defining the truth
um isn't always so hard to do now you
can find truth in mathematics
but the moment you inter inject an
emotional aspect to this which all human
beings are emotional to some degree
um then then the truth becomes a little
bit more subjective and
and it's important that that i provide
the data so people can formulate their
own truths
i don't want to give truth according to
lou elizondo i want to give truth
according to
to facts and data and then in science
and then allow
every person out there to formulate
their own truth that works for them
and that's that's what that's what
drives me you know i i don't i don't
believe
in in organizations institutions or
governments
um making that decision for us that's
that's not me i'm not that guy
for me i think i think it's up to the
people you know for the people by the
people
that's that's that's that's how i feel
yeah and you know i can respect that and
you know i'm somebody who's had uh
you can say positive contact experiences
right
um but i'm not i'm not gonna tell
everybody else that they're wrong that's
just
i don't think that's the right way
because there's been experiences that
you know have people haven't had the
best experiences and i you know i have
to be open to and respect that
so i understand what you're saying about
the subjectivity versus
the objectivity right um now
you you know you mentioned you were in
the you know you're an intelligence
officer
and you know some slack you get is oh
well you're an intelligence officer so
you're
obviously you're part of some kind of
psyop
and you know i i want to remind people
that
especially people who were you know
supporters of the disclosure project
is that all of those people were
military and intelligence officials
so i saw you as like
this you were the guy we were waiting
for you were the disclosure project
witness that we were waiting for to come
out and kind of blow the lid on this
um so that's just some uh commentary i
want to say on that well you know
and my perspective is look you know i
could easily say which i don't feel this
way but that type of thinking would say
well you're an intelligence officer
you're trying to fool the american
people and you know i could easily say
well you're not an intelligence officer
so you must be dumb as hell
you know you you know what because
you're not intelligence officer you have
no idea what's going on so therefore
your opinion doesn't count
and that's not that's not how i feel of
course but that's the type of mentality
when people automatically chuck somebody
into a bucket and say oh well
you serve your country being an
intelligence officer so now when you
come out
i can't trust you that's the same thing
as well you know
uh you were you were a fireman before so
uh you'll never be able to touch a pack
of matches because
you know you're an expert in fire well
what are you talking about yeah that
makes no sense you know
yeah i mean no my firemen put out fires
yes they have to be experts in fire but
you know doesn't mean you can't trust
them with a pack of matches
so that's that's kind of the mentality
that that i'm dealing with on a daily
basis
and you know it's it's it sucks because
you know they tend to be the most
vocal on on social media and
they're willing to to to you know say
these things
but the moment they they you know they
meet you in person
it's a totally different story and it's
like guys you know just give me a break
here
aren't you happy with where the
conversation is so far i mean
three years ago you you know everybody
was chasing their tail
and and now we have our legislative
branch engaged
our executive government engaged we've
got foreign countries engaged we've got
the media engaged
i mean what what more do you want i said
in the beginning this was going to be a
process
what what is there not to understand i
didn't even say and when you asked me
not you of course but people ask me well
where are we in the process i said we're
at the beginning of the beginning of the
process
i never lied to you told you exactly
where we were what i thought and
and where we were in this conversation
and we've come a long way
and instead people just want to
constantly back bite and snipe and say
oh well what evidence has
have you guys produced well a lot i mean
have you have you not
seen the last three years of where we
are in the conversation now of course
some people are going to say well lou
you know you've isolated portions of
this discussion like the ce5 community
well that's that's that's not my intent
the c85 community can say do whatever
they want
and they can participate as much as they
want we want you with us together we are
co
we are collective and there's more
strength and influence and power as a
group
the problem is that the ce5 community
gets mad because they think
i think a certain way well you know what
c5 community never asked me
i've got no issue with ce5 what i got to
issue with are people
who claim to own the ce5 field and and
say it's either their way or the highway
that i do have a problem with
because that's the same kind of
that i dealt with in the in you know
with with
tyranny all over the world i can't stand
that i it's it
man it makes my blood boil anybody who
tries to hijack this
and what they're doing is they're
they're they are the ones who are
actually hijacking this conversation
and and they are they are the threat to
disclosure because that's the reason why
media never wanted to cover this in the
first place
because you got a bunch of people out
there that are sitting in a lotus
position
and now charging people money to have
some sort of experience and then later
on it turns out that you know
planes are dropping flares you know out
of the sky that that
i don't understand how that helps the
conversation and yes there's a lot of
people out there that when they say that
they get all emotional and pissed off
well
you know what stop dropping flares out
of the sky then and i won't have a
problem
stop charging people for that you
know if you want to charge people to
to and have a conversation but don't
exploit people
i mean that's that's exploitation that's
that's deceptive practices
that is you know it's funny when someone
says oh you're you're trying to deceive
the
you know the people and and and um
you know if you will run away with a
conversation
i mean we in psychology you know we we
we call that
reflection it's it they're they're
accusing somebody of doing something
that they themselves are guilty of right
it's like a cheating spouse that gets
very jealous well
they're only jealous because they're the
ones cheating and that's my
that's my concern i think james c there
is nothing wrong
but the human brain is a wondrous
wondrous mechanism it is it is
it is by far one of the most
sophisticated and mysterious
uh things known to mankind because
in this tiny little package we have so
much stuff going on
and and and even just beyond intellect
and intelligence
consciousness and i don't mean
consciousness in a woo-woo sense i mean
human consciousness
scientists now almost recognize that
there's some sort of quantum processes
going on
inside the human consciousness and so
when we understand that we
recognize that that even the very notion
of time itself
and possibly even space gets gets
gets a little muddy it gets a little
confusing and
and this is why i've mentioned the the
the discussion last time about the
burning cigarette because
really at the very very small scale uh
of the universe
time and space almost becomes
nonsensical uh and and that
it's it's um it may be part of the
reasons why
humans can do what they do and frankly
it may not even be that special there
could be a lot of
sentient animals out there that that use
that part of the brain because they
don't have the the verbal speech that we
have
they haven't developed verbal speech so
they have to rely
on these if you will six senses for
survival i've i've never had a problem
with that and the fact that maybe that
can be used look
i communicate with my loved ones all the
time non-verbally okay and i know when
my daughter's gonna have some problems
i'll pick up the phone say hey
sweetheart are you okay well gee dad
it's funny you said that i just got into
a fender bender right
you know i can't explain that is it
coincidence
it could be but it could also not be
there could be some sort of quantum
process
that i have some connection with my my
family
that somehow transcends space and time
i'm not
i'm not opposed to that that's what you
know remote viewing has has has quite a
bit of
of research in that area right now
especially if you start realizing that
that
human consciousness is a is a quantum
process you know
yeah i think um i don't have a problem
with that what i have a problem with is
people saying definitively that
they have the answers and they take
their experience and they say this is
the only experience that people can have
you know that's that's that's horseshit
i can't it drives me nuts
because that's that's now that's you're
no longer
leading a conversation you're you're a
cult you're trying to to control
people's
thought processes and and behaviors and
worse
you know you're extorting money from
them that that i can't stand
and anybody who wants to do that fine
you want to you want to give your money
to somebody fine but my recommendation
is you're better off
giving it to a charity at least they'll
do something positive with it
yeah well you know um i
the way i see it is that you know the
ce5
community you know there's some great
people in there and a lot of people are
just you know
they uh you know it depends some of them
have uh only just delved into that area
so they're super into it
and they have not explored uh beyond
uh some of the work that's out there but
i find that usually once they start
exploring around
and seeing everything else out there
they come to their senses and they have
more
independent thinking you know um and and
you know the cd5 community uh one thing
i've tried to argue is
you know the ce5 community yeah it's
kind of a niche in a sense but
it doesn't need to be disconnected in
any way from all the other
research communities there's no need for
that um there's no sides you know
again we're going to accomplish this by
learning from each other
and moving the ball forward um but
speaking about the the threat narrative
that that's just you know that's a
criticism that comes up um people are
saying oh you know
lose he's he's pushing the threat
narrative
um and you know i understand that
there's legitimate situations which
if it was another you know country doing
it we'd be
we we'd be very concerned but for some
reason if it's
aliens we're going to give them the pass
and uh and
i i get it if you've had a positive
experience it leaves an impression on
you so i i
get that and i get the idea the ideology
behind oh well if they're so advanced
you know they know better they're not
going to be harmful but again that is an
ideology
um so let me just get your thoughts on
that well first of all there's
a difference between haas between a
threat
and hostile intent okay every time i go
outside
uh without sunscreen there's a threat
for me getting skin cancer
okay a threat you know you i i don't
know how else to tell people that you
know there's
the the threat spectrum is so broad and
so wide that
that it's you know i've often told
people if i go to an airport and i get
on a plane there's no threat but if i go
to that same airport and jump on the
runway
and now i'm i'm running behind jet
engines as they're running
there's there's a threat there's there's
an environmental and a biological threat
to myself right and my well-being
so so i think people need to to stop
worrying about you know
what what i mean by threat i've tried to
make it perfectly clear threat
as a potential threat and it can be
environmental it can be biological it
can be
uh a purposeful it can be from a
national security perspective
then you have hostile intent okay
there's a lot of things that are threats
out there that don't mean to be hostile
and and there's there's a difference and
so what we need to figure out
from from a governmental perspective is
are these things a threat if so in what
area is there a threat
okay and and and get over the emotional
saying oh
kumbaya look what do you care if there's
no threat there then there's no threat
exactly but but give me an opportunity
to figure that out for myself
you don't make that decision for me you
you won't you never have and you never
will
just like i don't make that decision for
you and if you want to sit there and
sing kumbaya then do it
i'm not stopping you but don't stop me
from making sure
at my own to my own self that this isn't
a threat
you know you don't have the right to
tell me that just like i don't have the
right to tell you so
i'd say get over it you know and and you
know stop
stop trying to drive the narrative not
you of course but people out there stop
trying to drive the narrative
that this is not a threat because
frankly you don't know it if it's not
you then great
okay then it's not but i still have the
ability and the right
to decide for myself you know this goes
back to that whole repeat
the whole part where people are trying
to drive the narrative you know
stop speaking for me i'm not asking you
to speak for me
don't do that okay don't speak for the
government don't speak for anybody else
but you and if you think it's not a
threat then great
but you have no right to tell me i don't
have i don't have
the right myself to investigate that for
myself
and that's that's what we're doing it's
called due diligence you know and
ultimately if people
out there are correct and there's no
threat then you know what great
you're right i'll go buy a beer who
cares i don't care you know
but yeah that's one thing i've i've
brought up like um but there's no
there's no way there's no scenario in
this where we're victimizing
the ufo phenomenon by you know
exploring the idea of the the threat
first hostility
um so we don't have to worry about them
uh because
we're we're clearly based on the
technology i don't think we
pose a threat to them um so
um i think that uh but i will tell you i
think we have to be cautious
superimposing anthropomorphic ideals
onto something we have no idea about um
it's like swimming in the ocean
and swimming in a pool of great white
sharks and thinking they're not going to
bite you because they're not hungry
right
we have to be careful ascribing human
motivations and emotions to something
that made the
end of the day may not even be human at
all we don't know and so
you know this could be something like
artificial intelligence which is
you know binary um do we get mad when
when the computer spits out a certain
search result on google no
because that's ai for you right it
doesn't have the emotional
uh motivations that we have as a human
species
and so i think uh when it comes to
to assuming or presuming something is or
is not
we have to be very careful because we
have no basis to make that judgment
other than our own
we are looking at everything through the
lens of a human being perfect example
i've said this before
flying in a helicopter over the
serengeti plane you want to go ahead and
look at the health of a particular
uh uh herd of water buffalo you fly over
the herd you scare the hell out of them
they all start scampering
you shoot one with a dart next thing it
knows it falls to the ground it's asleep
we start tagging and tracking and
putting little markers on and all sorts
of stuff we take off the helicopter and
fly away
and all of a sudden that that that that
water buffalo or that wilder beast wakes
up and goes what the hell was that
that was that was a ufo oh my god let
alone
what the intense intentions of the
occupants inside the helicopter work
right
because we don't we don't explain
ourselves to the water buffalo and say
hey do you mind if you just kind of stop
running for a second we're going to lane
this helicopter
we're going to go ahead and dart you and
we're going to go ahead and put all
sorts of stuff on in your body so we can
test you know
the the health of the herd and the
migratory patterns and the diets and the
reproductive cycles of blah blah blah
blah
no we just do it right so is are we
meaning to be uh is our intent to be
hurtful or a threat to the wilderness no
but i best bet if you were to ask the
wildebeest if they had a choice they'd
probably say
you know what i'd i'd like to pass on
that experiment why don't you go to joe
who's standing over there
yeah and and like you said before you
know i think at the end of the day that
that you know
the truth of this is going to is going
to reveal itself in time
um now i this is it's going to be a
controversial question but i i wanted to
ask you because i don't think i've heard
anybody ask you
is uh my labs are you familiar with
that term i am familiar with the term
what are your thoughts on that
well look uh it is let me let me break
this down
there is historical evidence
and facts that substantiate that our own
government has done horrible things in
the past
whether it's putting small box into
blankets and giving that to indigenous
people
or it's allowing syphilis to run its
course and decimate
a a group of a test group of individuals
or us you know spraying chemicals in the
lincoln tunnel
um us sending spies into into infiltrate
student groups
you know there have been abuses in the
past
by by elements within our government
that have been
absolutely horrific unconscionable and
and there is
absolutely no place in our society for
that now
with that said um
due to this day and i by the way please
forgive me i can't speak about things
that happened before me because i
frankly don't really know but during my
time in asia
there was zero evidence to suggest zero
that our government was conducting
certain types of experiments
on uh our own people um
and during when i was native now there
was some anecdotal information
i i've talked to some people that had
some very interesting things happen to
them when they were younger
probably in the late 60s um but i i
don't know enough to
to to to talk about that because frankly
i wasn't around
i but from when my point when i was an a
tip and at the pentagon
there's no way at least from an
intelligence perspective you know and i
can't speak from another perspective but
we have things called intelligence
oversight procedure 15 violations and
all
we've got a whole army no kidding a
whole army of lawyers out there
that are are looking for us to to make
mistakes
they want us to to to keep them employed
so the whole job is to find us doing
mistakes like this
so they catch us in a title tank
capacity uh which is the department of
defense
military you know that think of
possibilities
um doing something against civilian
population
um especially involving u.s persons
that is a huge no-no huge no-no look at
look at case and point the renditions
detentions interrogations program that
we had
for a while uh you know trying to to
find bad guys uh
after 9 11. you know that lasted for
only a little while before it came out
and the government was held accountable
and these weren't with us persons these
are with with with non-us persons
and there there was a huge
accountability
effort ongoing to make sure that never
happens again so
so the government is usually pretty good
at
at making sure the abuses don't happen
and when they do they're usually a
result of one or two people making a
unilateral decision not the institution
itself
that's not always the case but that's i
i
to answer i guess come back to your
original question about my labs or mill
labs
i i haven't seen any information to
substantiate that i know some people say
that well you know i saw some
dude in a uniform okay maybe
maybe but but you know bad guys wear
uniforms too
um there's been times where i've i've
i've
seen you know unfortunately terrorist
attacks conducted because
some bad guys stole some us army
uniforms out of out of a laundromat
you know um so just because someone's
wearing a military uniform
doesn't mean they're necessarily
military doesn't mean necessarily that
that
you know they represent the the very
thing that that that
you know that uniform signifies again
this is total speculation on my part so
let me caveat this i know people like to
hang on to every word i say
and they'll say well you know lou didn't
say that so he must meant that
yeah which is by the way true sometimes
but
in this particular case um it's not i
really i
i haven't had any information that
substantiates that but i'm certainly not
going to say
it's not in the the realm of possibility
i i but i don't think it's
at this point i don't i don't think it's
it's probable is it possible yes
sure it is is it probable i'm not
convinced
but again i can be proven wrong and i'm
happy to change my
my outlook if someone can provide me
some some substantial data
that that says yeah look what's
happening and this you know this
occurred
then i'm good with that i get no problem
changing my opinion around facts
you know that's part of the problem here
because people
as part of the human condition we we
like to when new facts come in we have a
we have a narrative preconceived
narrative right here when facts come in
what we like to do is typically uh have
the
adjust those facts to comport to our
narrative rather than
adjust our narrative now to to uh you
know
if you will uh process those facts and
accommodate the facts the new
the new data that suggests maybe
something different we don't like to do
that we don't like to change our
opinions
very much and that's that's part of the
the human condition
yeah now i would like to talk about um
crash retrievals and materials so um
i remember when you uh you you're on
tucker carlson
and you have the famous line of simply
put yes you know do it does the us
government possibly
have uh materials and uh when you when
you ask that question i went to eric
davis and i asked him
uh you know what what do you think about
lou's statement and uh eric davis said
you know any authorizer for public use
uh you know lou what lou said is a
thousand
percent correct and uh you know the us
government has crashed
and or landed uh
ufos um why do you think he said that
well um i'm not gonna answer for for for
eric davis eric davis is
an incredible human being i've had the
honor and privilege of knowing him and
and
and more importantly i've also seen uh
the work product that he's he's produced
for this nation
and at some point maybe one day it'll be
clear all the stuff he has done for his
country but he is he is a
he really is when you talk about
american heroes he he really is
is one of those uh he falls in that
category quite squarely he is uh
he's an amazing human being um so i'm
not gonna elaborate on what
uh eric davis uh thinks or or says
or knows he's his own man um i can tell
you that when he tells you something
he he tells you the truth um he has no
motivation other than the truth
um as far as my own personal perspective
i have to be
you know here i'm going to throw
something out that everybody gets pissed
off at
but i've got to be careful because i i
i'm walking a very fine line
if i say one or two words incorrectly as
it relates to this particular topic
i can find myself in a lot of trouble so
i know people say well just say it
anyways well easy for you
you know you're going to feed my family
you're going to pay my kids school
and my mortgage when i'm in jail no
you're not so you know
that's not even realistic um
so i have to be very careful the
question was posed to me
uh do i believe that the us government
is in possession uh
of of of exotic material and and whatnot
and my answer is yes
and uh until until the government
decides to be um more transparent i
i really can't elaborate on that other
than that uh
you know when you when you let me give
you a hypothetical when you when you
find a piece of something
uh you know you there's there's really
three
layers of of analysis you can conduct
you can conduct a physical analysis
you know looking at electric
conductivity the shape the size the
weight
you know then you do a chemical or
molecular analysis to look at the way
the molecules are arranged
and determine you know the the
the characteristics of something at the
molecular level
and then you have atomic or nano level
research where you're looking at the
individual
uh construct of the atoms and how they
are arranged
uh at the very very small level isotopic
ratios
and things like that and when you see
something a piece of material that's
been clearly
engineered meaning there's some sort of
intelligence to put things together
and at the nano level there are some
peculiarities
that fall outside the normal range
of of what you might consider let's say
nickel or aluminum or magnesium or
bismuth
then you have to say okay who created it
and how
and at the end of the day when you have
material that has been found
uh before supposedly we
as a species had a technology to
engineer it that way
then you've got to ask the question and
this is why i've said before you know
a 747 isn't uncommon to see at an
international airport
but imagine being the first guy to break
into king tut's tomb
and of all the things you find in there
you find an intact 747 sitting in
in the tomb doesn't make sense does it
because
747s weren't around when king tut was
around so
what the hell is a 747 you know doing in
in king tut's tomb
so that's the best analogy that i can
use uh without going into
to further detail i've tried to be very
careful
um you know i i don't want to i don't
want to be dismissive of your question
because it's an important question i
would ask the same exact question
but but i also have to be very very
careful and if you notice other folks
like hal and
eric and others they're very careful to
have this conversation too yeah okay
yeah it's not just me i'm not just being
paranoid and cagey here
um there's you're actually the most out
in the open they're
they still you know um
now what you said if if the us
government ever gets to that point
that yeah i guess you can talk more um
do do you think that we're we're likely
to reach that point
where the u.s government is going to be
forthcoming about such
materials and and if it is
in the cards like uh you know
i mean i think if the material is proven
to be
what it might be then then i think yes
all truths eventually come out
i'm not a material science expert so we
still need to test and this is why i
keep telling people you know
we we need more more more data more
analysis
and only then are we going to be able to
to make that determination is this
really exotic or not
you know all i can do is provide you
what has been made
um known to me but i also recognize that
you know we we still need more data i i
yeah right now you're asking me my
belief which i rarely like to offer but
i've made that exception in this case
uh as a regards material but i also if
it turns out
uh in 10 years that this material just
happens to be some sort of foreign
adversarial tech that was really ahead
of its time
i'll buy that too it's it we have to let
the data speak for itself
do i think that's the case no i don't
but
but like i said i'm not going to let my
my cognitive dissonance or my bias
uh interfere with with the research we
need more analysis
done before we can say you know
conclusively
this is not made here um and there's
ways to do that you know there was a
dagger found in actually talking about
king tut's
tomb there was a dagger that was found a
small dagger
and for the longest time it really it
remained kind of this
this uh it wasn't particularly
significant to anybody
uh it was uh it was just kind of this
modest little dagger and it turns out
that the entire blade was made from a
meteorite
because someone just decided to do the
testing on it and they realized that
the the the the chemical composition of
this
was not from earth and uh that's what
made this dagger so special
yeah and you know that that is
we have the science to determine if
something is from here or not i'll just
leave it at that okay cool
and uh just just one crash retrieval
case i don't hear talk about much
uh starfish prime does it sound familiar
i've heard the name i i don't know it
specifically i know there's a lot of
names for a lot of things out there
um but i i if you want to describe it a
little bit to me i may be able to to
tell you
they were doing yeah i really don't you
know yeah sure
they were doing a a a nuclear test to
explode
uh you know nuclear warhead in space and
you know allegedly some
something crashed in the ocean you know
and it was retrieved
uh let me let me
um
there may be some significance to
emps um and i'm gonna go out on a limb
here so please don't take this and
anybody run to the hills this is at this
point
pure speculation on based upon some
some potential observations made in the
past
there may be some truth that an
electromagnetic
pulse of energy can interfere with
whatever this technology
is in this propulsion and if it
interferes with it
then uh you you now
you now have a a a very
a very interesting scenario where
whatever is keeping these things up in
the sky
it no longer does that can't do it and
so now all of a sudden the fuel the
bubble pops
and so all of a sudden comes crashing
down this object that has no wings no
tail of aileron stuff
no no obvious signs of propulsion and
now it really does become a brick
and that brick falls now all of a sudden
gravity has a say
and and mother nature takes over um
and that's probably what i'll say right
now about that sure
and um you know people have thrown
around the the uh
the agency or term the department of
energy
um why is why is that the department of
energy
significant in this conversation well
because it is department of energy owns
uh
the the nuclear technology uh
for for this country um they they are
the ones who regulate
uh the classification uh systems for
for nuclear uh energy and technology
and there's a lot of department of
energy facilities uh
in and around uh the continental united
states
and uh you know they have a very
important job a very important mission
and and doe if anybody's going to
understand nuclear technology
doe is probably the best place to start
yeah yeah and christopher mellon uh you
know he was on joe rogan he mentioned
you know something along the lines of
they have even less oversight
in some of their programs i guess well
you know we have
we have uh we have reporting of of uap
activity over things like oak ridge
part of me sorry my my hearing is kind
of going off here oak ridge
uh national laboratory and some of these
other
facilities where there is a doe presence
you know this this isn't new to us um
there's there's reporting that's
actually the open public that anybody
can can look up and read if they want to
um and it's it's pretty interesting you
know
there seems to be this again some
interest in in nuclear technology where
these things are seen over
uh very sensitive u.s facilities
i mentioned oak ridge because there's
there's some reporting out there that's
available
but that's certainly not the only one
there's there's other ones that have
seen time and time again uap activity
and and for me that's problematic um
would the doe uh have information that
the public would not be able to see
well sure because they have their own
classification system and markings
um they are uh you know they are an
independent organization uh they support
the intelligence community
but they're not department of defense
they work with the department of defense
they work with the intelligence
community they work with a lot of folks
state and local tribal authorities um
you know they are
they are the the if you will the
one-stop shop for
for nuclear technology and uh not only
what we had in the past but
what we have today and what we're going
to have in the future these these folks
uh are are probably some of the best and
brightest in in that
in that enclave if you will of of of
nuclear tech
yeah and speaking of different agencies
you know what is it going to take the
the u.s air force
to weigh in on this subject you know uh
air force has gotten a bad rap and
they've gotten beaten up pretty bad
about this but i gotta tell you you know
they're
they're they're they're pretty good at
what they do and uh i think after
project blue book they really kind of
got burned
um you know they were put in a position
where they were
you know kind of kind of told to hey
let's let's wrap this up let's let's put
this baby to bed
you know we don't want to deal with this
anymore and now we're coming back and
saying air force where are you you know
so air force is probably sitting in a
corner right now
kind of nodding its head saying well you
know you know
we tried to do this last time and and we
were told that you know there was no
appetite for this so
we're going to sit this one out and sit
back and and see how this plays out
and then at some point we may get back
into the game but you know they're
probably a little bit burned by it and i
will tell you that that today's air
force is is not your father's oldsmobile
um it's it's it's uh
a whole new generation and my
my discussions with with a few folks
they seem very much
interested in this topic very much like
nasa has stepped up to the plate
um you know air force air forces of
bureaucracy like anything else
i i think they're trying to to figure
out
how best way to to to start collecting
and reporting this information
but you know you also have a new
organization called space force
which is a which is a whole nother
another branch of service
and uh is there some some play for
for them in this well yeah probably
you know so the question is is air force
or now do we ask
space force which by the way is
comprised of mostly air force anyways or
former air force
um you know these are these are all good
questions i mean we're
we're still we're still making the cake
right now this is not you know
we haven't we don't have all the answers
to solutions right now people are still
trying to determine the best way to get
this information
collected triaged processed
analyzed and produced you know and it's
not just the air force
you know now we have you know
potentially faa
and noah could be of importance uh
scientific and academic community
you know this is why we've been pushing
for a whole of government approach
because this the problems that are
involved with with this topic
require more expertise you can't just
put this on the shoulders of the air
force it's not fair or the navy right
or perhaps even the entire department of
defense this this is a multi-faceted
uh mystery we're dealing with here and
it's going to take a whole lot of folks
and
and probably even with the help of some
of our our foreign friends and allies
that that we trust maybe bring them
under the tent as well
is there ever like um an idea that maybe
public scientists and you know even u.s
public scientists what could be involved
in this kind of
study well isn't that interesting
because if you look at the videos that
were
released the original 1910 stipulates
creating some sort of
uh center of gravity if you will or
or a a capability that allows our best
and brightest in the scientific
and the academic communities and those
involved in the defense industrial base
create an open source repository
where everybody can look at it and help
analyze and crowdsource if you will or
in this case crowd analyze
this data that is that is precisely what
what we were trying to achieve in a tip
towards the end we wanted to create a
repository
uh a larger enclave so so people with
certain expertise could look at these
videos and then future videos right this
was kind of a i hate to use
excuse upon a test balloon but but
getting these videos out in the public
to see if we could crowdsource what the
heck was going on and and hopefully
it's not just the three videos my my my
hope would be that
we would see the value in that that we
would create this this
you know we have in the i won't say
specifics but we have these enclaves in
the in the analytic community
where analysts from all over the
intelligence community can look at a
problem
and and try to find a solution and they
analyze it jointly and by the way it's
very effective
so wouldn't it be great if we did the
same thing with some of these videos
uh where we create an official construct
where anybody can look at these videos
and offer their opinions
you know and if they have certain
qualifications that then those opinions
are
are weighted or valued maybe more so if
you have you know someone looking at it
says well that looks like a
glare on a camera that gets a value of
whatever x but then you've got a photo
expert who
you know has has done uh forensics
on on photographs or videos for 20 years
maybe they get a value a weighted value
of why
right and ultimately we we have this
this crowdsourcing approach to
to looking at this uh this this
incredible mystery
i i really think that's what needs to
happen i hope that happens you know
subsequently after this report and
as things continue to go um and it's uh
you know speaking of atip
was uh you know i know awesome kind of
may have utilized this but was there
ever any kind of remote viewing um
talked about
in atip and if not awesome maybe
well james uh you uh you definitely
threw me for a curve on that one uh
let me let me think about the way to
respond to this
um
i'm gonna defer to some of my colleagues
if you want to answer to that question i
would talk to
uh folks like hal pudov uh i
i don't want to answer that's that's
their area of expertise
uh and um i'll just i'll just leave it
at that
sure i talked to hal um
did you ever uh work with john alexander
i know john john's a very good man uh we
we
were separated by one generation i know
the work of john alexander
i've had the the distinct pleasure of
meeting him uh
multiple occasions we are in direct
dialogue
he has been very helpful to to this
cause
when i say cause i mean this this
endeavor to to
increase transparency and disclosure uh
he is you know he he's he's one of the
giants
that that that we stood on on his
shoulders
um with atip um john alexander has
has served his country honorably and
he's done things for this country
again very much like like
like eric davis and hal that the world
has no idea that you you've only
scratched the surface
this guy is a true warrior uh and uh
he's he's incredibly intelligent um
he's worked his way up through the
special operations community but he's
also an intellect right he's not just
all brawn and no brain he's
he's both he's a complete package and
when
uh john calls me um i listen you know he
has a tremendous amount of experience so
i uh i guess long story short is yeah i
i know i know john quite well
very cool um now i you know
the uh you know saps uh special access
programs
and and and unacknowledged special
access programs get brought up
a lot especially when talking about the
ufo subject
um so are you know there are such a
thing as
unacknowledged special access programs
or the waived saps
of course there are yeah that's that's
in law you can you can see that
you know yeah this i forget which title
it is i remember christopher mellon
actually he named the whole title
yeah and there's also a covert action
which is under title 50 but
you know that's all this is is these are
mechanisms to
the more sensitive of an effort you have
the more you want to protect it from the
enemy
and so the more you compartmentalize it
how do you connect um
oversight communities or or bodies
sure so even i'll give an example you
know with covert action you have
the gang of six and gang of 12 you know
there's always oversight
even no matter how secret something is
somebody the chain of command has to
know
period even if it's waves of bigoted sap
and when they say bigger than people say
bigoted what does that mean money
yeah it's on a big list yeah right it's
ridiculous um
you know where they're waived or
unacknowledged sapps um
someone is still in the loop someone has
to be and and that all
because you're spending taxpayer money
someone has to be held accountable
otherwise you run into issues like we
did with operation yellow fruit so
so there is always an accountability uh
lane somewhere and uh if
if if these saps are being run
without that accountability then they're
not real saps then they're rogue
operations then these are operations
that are running
uh under the radar uh and and frankly
are illegal
because they're there there are very
specific guidelines
if you want to run those type of
programs and and you can't deviate from
those
at all so um you know i i
i don't think that there's some wave or
unacknowledged sap at this point if they
are
they're they're scared shitless because
right now the gig is out they know
yeah yeah if they get found out that
they've been running these rogue
operations with no accountability
they're done they're they're going to
jail i mean like
you know today so uh
it's it's not um it definitely would not
uh i would be very surprised if if there
was some type of rogue operation now i
do think there may be some
legacy efforts that are falling under uh
authorities that were were once put down
and now forgotten
um it's not uncommon that a a memo
establishing a program
from some secretary of defense in 1978
is still being used you know we still
use for example the national security
act of 1947.
a lot of the new rules and regulations
that we have coming out of the
department and the intelligence
community
stem from the national security act of
1947 right after world war
ii it's almost been 100 years and we're
still putting that if you look at a lot
of the dod policies i put out it'll say
in accordance with
you know uh national security act of
1947. uh it'll say
eo one two triple three as amended you
know and and
that's that's the way we do things um
and and it's not
it's not impossible because i've seen it
a couple times where you run into an
organization or an effort
and they're saying we're using this as
our guiding authority and you're looking
like
whoa i mean dude i wasn't like in
kindergarten
when when that memo was signed you might
want to get that updated
so you think it as it's possible that
there are such programs in
in legacy programs and is that what
they're actually called legacy programs
legacy yeah okay so is that feasible
you know it's it's it is it is uh
unlikely but it
is certainly with well within the realm
of possibility i
i do not doubt that some of those legacy
programs still exist
whether it involves the ufo program um
remains to be seen because we've done a
lot of digging around and and
you know if they exist they're really
dug themselves deep
um which is you know which is i mean
kudos to them but you know i i know
where to dig
i i know where those you know where
those where to put the holes in the
ground to find what we want to look for
i do think that there may be some some
legacy guidance out there that people
may still be
using to to not want to have this
conversation but i think even more
importantly there may be two other
issues at hand
either the technology is so
revolutionary that
uh someone has made a decision
unilaterally to to not share this even
with their own chain of command which is
a problem
um or the other possibility
as well is that they're scared
now now they know that there's
accountability and now they know that
someone's going to have to face the
music and tell congress and
and the american people and the chain of
command that yeah we've been doing this
this whole time and we've been doing it
under your nose
yeah we lied to you we didn't tell you
um
that's that's a problem uh because
there's there's significant liability
there if you imagine some person
uh a pilot who who reports an incident
and now because of it
uh is forced to go undergo psychological
evaluation is taken off of flight status
and as a result
maybe uh is reassigned and now
loses his marriage or her marriage
because of this and furthermore now
becomes homeless and loses
everything for doing the right thing it
loses
everything is now now living on the
streets and homeless because they
reported a ufo sighting at some point in
the past
now i'm not saying that's the case but
can you imagine the liability
what we would have to owe that
individual to come back and say you know
what we destroyed your life in your
career
and at the end of the day you were right
that's that's that's
i mean that you're talking depending on
how many people that's ever happened to
if it's happened then that's that's a
hell of a liability that's that's one
hell of a lawsuit yeah
now um yeah at this point i'm sure
everybody's familiar that uh
you know you have been working with
danny sheehan
uh the pentagon i i guess i can say the
pentagon
or the public's uh spokesperson has
you know they put out some statements um
you know saying
you didn't direct a tip or you know
whatever
whatever whatever they've been saying
which we know is not true
um have are do you think there's any
other countermeasures that would ever be
taken
and other than trying to delete your
emails or at least claiming that they
did
well sure i mean obviously that the fact
you're seeing it play out the fact that
they try to come after my security
clearances and make false accusations
the fact that they're trying to rewrite
history
uh after uh the the dana white
the secretary of defense's own uh press
secretary
stated what atip was and what my role
was in it you know now you see this
this amateur effort to to try to change
course
uh and then you know last but not least
delete my emails um
that's that's that's problematic you
know that's that frankly now on the
verge of an illegal act
um but i don't think i have to help them
anymore paint themselves in a corner
um my intent was always to offer a
helping hand and help them out of this
corner
and for whatever reason every time i
extend my hand they they recoil and back
themselves further into the corner
um it's a bit like a it's a bit like a
like a an angry hungry dog that has been
um no matter how much you try to to to
help it and feed it and pet it
it just wants to bite and that is not
indicative of the entire department of
defense i want to make this clear
that the department of defense does an
amazing job 99
of the time and is full of absolute
patriots some of my very best friends
uh are are still members of of the
department of defense
and the pentagon um the problem is that
there are some elements
you know the same elements uh that
people consider are running rogue
uh regarding the uap topic there are
some rogue elements in the pentagon
that have decided to to make this an
agenda for them
and unfortunately they've dragged the
rest of the pentagon into into their
pettiness
and it's it's it's at this point it's
looking absolutely ridiculous
uh for the pentagon and i don't they
don't need my help
right now looking any more ridiculous it
actually makes me very sad i i
i wish there was a way that we could
simply just
have them stop taking themselves that
need deeper holes
they've already got a hell of a ladder
that they're going to have to climb to
get out of it
and ultimately it disparages the the the
fine men and women in uniform that work
in our national security you know my
intent i don't want to embarrass anybody
look i don't even want an apology at
this point you know i don't give a
about that
yeah it cares about them being
forthcoming and telling the truth to the
american people
and again unfortunately there's some
folks that
that have taken this personally me
breaking rank with the pentagon has
has has infuriated them and and as a
result of that
they've dragged through the mud the
pentagon with them and i think that's
that's a travesty that that's the last
thing we need to happen right now
so yeah you know for people listening
you know having you know daniel sheehan
of the disclosure project
working with you and helping you i think
that says a lot about your character
um you know that danny is willing to
help and and and help push us forward
because he sees potential in this moving
forward
you know with your help and you know
he's i think uh
an example of progress in this in this
uh well let me give you some some
some to show you not just progress i
mean proven track record right
watergate silkwood pentagon papers
colonel all over north
you know they all have one thing in
common and that's that's daniel sheehan
the people's advocate
you know people are entitled to feel and
believe what they want i'm not asking
for a bunch of yes people in fact
the the my my success in the government
has been surrounding myself with people
who tell me
the truth not what i want to hear but
what i need to hear um
danny's no exception he is he is that
800 pound gorilla in the corner
that you want um and ultimately he and i
want the same thing we want truth and
transparency
and then let the chips fall where they
fall and let the american people decide
for themselves
what we want to do with this and if the
answer is nothing then fine you know
i'll go pack my bags and go work at
walmart that's fine wouldn't have to
deal with this
you know constant barrage of of arrows
um but if they want something more then
then
then let the people make that decision i
i don't think any government or
again organization or institution has
the right
to dictate to their to to
to citizens what they should think and
feel about something that's not their
purview
in fact to me that's a very dangerous
road to take so anybody who's
artificially squelching this
conversation
you know um they're making themselves an
enemy
of the people and and that for me is the
biggest concern here is that
there are individuals now that are
outgoing operating outside
normal channels to try to disparage aid
to try to disparage me
and other people that were part of the
effort and um
you know that's the kind of stuff that
that that that gets guys like me
to to to do things that you know they're
probably politically not going to like
you know because there are mechanisms
once you you get into congress
now you've got a whole lot of leverage
to really get in deep into some of these
things and start asking the hard
questions
right and then you can relay that
information back to your back to your
constituency
because that is your that's your your
job as a legislator and so
you know if it turns out that that they
keep playing around with this then
then they might have to deal with me in
a different capacity and
uh in a in a capacity that has far more
authorities
than i have right now and i i'm really
trying my best to avoid that i don't
i don't want it to come to that but make
no mistake that if
if they continue elements continue
on this course i will do it and i will
do it to protect the pentagon
believe it or not i'll be doing it so so
we can
identify that cancer inside the the
pentagon's chain of command and then
remove it so the pentagon can
you know cure the pentagon so to speak
of of that cancer that continues to
to to paint a false narrative
and there's ways to do that when you are
when you are a legislator you know
you control the purse you can be on
committees that that force this
transparency and then you have a
conversation with the american people
yeah um i you know i almost forgot to
ask this question
uh in in the atip slides
there was something that came up um
cognitive human interface
you know what did that mean to atip well
i think you know what that means to a
tip that's kind of your uh ce5 now isn't
it
so um was was something like that
i guess observed in all the the studies
and the cases
uh james i'm gonna i'm gonna take a a
heisman pass on that
uh sure because uh again
i i um i'll let experts speak to that
um sure you know is there any
anything you can say to that at all
well i'm doing your interview aren't i
wonderfully said okay what about all
those people out there who say lou
lou doesn't give ce5 any credence you
know well
you've never asked i was going to say
this i mean
cognitive human interface that's
that's just i mean we could just call
that chi
instead of ce5 right um
what about penetration through solid
surfaces
that sounds interesting it is
interesting isn't it
would that also would that also fall
under transmedium
yeah absolutely if you if you
if you understand the mathematics like
some of our guys do there's some
some theories that that potentially
stipulate that
that uh mass
and matter and energy uh
has is is a bit relative and again i
i'll i'll allow the
the the physicists to to expound upon
that
um but yep certainly certainly something
worth working into yeah and then there
was
i guess this just relates to the other
one is unique cognitive
human interface experiences so that's
almost like a tip saying contact
experiences
there okay yeah um
yeah i found this these slides
fascinating and
i don't know why more people are not
talking about them
um it says dod has been involved in
similar experiences in the past i don't
know if you're familiar with anything
like that
okay enough of that sorry about that no
apologize just you know really
interesting slide i'll say anybody that
knows atip slide nine
uh you know read in between the lines
there's no lines there but if you read
in between them you can probably learn a
lot
in the early days atip was looking at a
lot of things
i think that's fair and accurate to say
is there i mean is there a chance
like if uap task force has made a
permanent body
is that kind of a continuation of atip
of course it is i mean i won't go to the
detail the people that are that are
a lot of the folks that are that are
involved with the uap task force were
part of aten
yeah their buddies i i call them on the
phone if i want to
uh but you know would you be able to get
re-involved at that point or you
wouldn't want to
you know uh it depends where i'm most
effective you know i i've got
a i've got a voice
that i didn't have before when i was in
the government
i have the i have a little bit more
latitude on the outside
i have less authority but perhaps a
louder voice
and so at some point it's going to
depend uh
on on what is the best way for me
to continue to have a productive
conversation
um i'm not i don't uh want this to be
some sort of uh
forgive me jerry springer event i'm not
trying to create drama
uh i just want answers uh provided to
the people that they paid for with with
their tax money
their tax taxpayer paid
uh efforts i want i want i want
solutions i want
i want that i want the data that you
paid for
provided to you oh man i wanted to
and uh i don't know if you can comment
on the spatial temporal translation what
does it what does that mean
when uh well james
you have succeeded in making me squirm
so congratulations
um i'm going to politely defer uh
that um question um
maybe at some point uh i'll be able to
discuss that a little bit more
um you know there's probably other
people that are a little bit more
qualified that can
that that can answer that question for
you yeah
and uh just a few more i'm sorry uh
you know i know it's been brought up uh
mj-12
um you know if if that was such a thing
i
i don't you know i don't understand if
it's like an official body or it's like
something that would be rogue
or or both you know
interesting um and and again that
you know there's a group that has been
brought up called zodiac
i can't comment on that okay and um
what about colin's elite i i
that i won't comment on other than that
uh
i uh you know there's a few individuals
that certainly
um fall within that description that i
that i know
yeah and um you know you were you were
seen
wearing a hat uh that said phenom
is that is there any significance in
that uh there is an
effort uh
an effort underway uh with some
colleagues of mine
that uh are involved in trying to
provide solutions
to this uh this enigma
um i uh i wore
that hat as a matter of solidarity um
they are not um it's not it's not
uh involved with any type of film
production or entertainment at all
it's uh it's part of a a no kidding
uh data collected driven effort to try
to
um add some some fidelity to
to this topic um i don't want to speak
more than that because
i although i i work with the individuals
i'm not an employee i don't get paid by
them
i don't i don't want to endorse anything
um but you know at some point in the
future my hope is that maybe that
people will now will know what that is
and see and say oh wow that's really
interesting
it looks like i like the logo i look
cool
so what do you think is going to advance
this topic i mean
we've come a long way it's incredible
it's almost hard to believe
it almost feels too good to be true and
like oh my god i don't want this to stop
kind of thing right
it seems like we're finally moving but
uh what is it what is it going to take
to
push this even further james you're
doing it right now
this is exactly this this is crea this
is now we're now critical mass
and it's it's beginning to gain momentum
on its own
i'm becoming less and less relevant
which is exactly what what should be
i should not be the spokesperson for
disclosure uh that was never my intent
uh my intent was simply to to run down
the field a couple of yards and then
pass the baton to
to somebody who was faster than i was um
i i think uh i think it's happening um
i've told people from day one
it's a process not an event and if you
don't have the patience for this and
don't even get involved
because this is going to take a while
and hopefully people are now beginning
to see that
i meant what i said you know i wasn't i
wasn't just speaking because i wanted to
speak i in fact i
prefer to speak less than more
but i think you're seeing what that
success looks like you're seeing it
being taken
serious across all sectors of society
and not just here in the united states
but
but but really internationally and
around the world and that's a testament
in large part to
to you and your audience you know
you can be a leader leader on the combat
field but
if you have no troops you know you know
stars on your shoulder don't mean
anything
you know so this is only working because
we have people
in the trenches that are willing to take
up the good fight and have this
conversation around the dinner table and
around the water cooler
and let the media know it's okay to
report on this and letting your
elected officials know that you want
them to to look into this
all this is because of you and your
listeners not me you know i i
again back to the swiss army knife you
know um everybody has
everybody has a purpose in in this
little multi
you know capable tool i happen to be the
funny little screwdriver on the back
side of the
knife that nobody ever uses very often
um but we're all we all have a purpose
uh in this in this effort and uh we're
all part of that swiss army knife so to
speak
and everybody everybody even even those
who are the scissors and even the
toothpick
that comes in it uh all have a purpose
in this
and and note and what makes it so
effective is that no
no tool in the in the in the swiss army
knife
can do uh what other other
other tools in the swiss army knife can
do we're all very specialized
and that's what makes it so effective
yeah now and i don't want to get um you
know too
out there in the sense of like woo uh
but
you know i've heard you talk about um
you know
you know use the word quantum and stuff
like that so what what role do you think
the idea of non-locality and
consciousness
and um even you know quantum mechanics
plays in the in the ufo story
well it's it's it's it's it's all of it
but but
but consciousness plays a role in
everything when i want to go to the
grocery store
it is there are there are processes
occurring
that i that i'm literally going to the
store using consciousness
what's happening is i'm making a
decision i need to go pick up milk
and then my brain tells my body through
electrical signals to
move my body to an automobile then i
make a conscious decision to put the key
in i turn it on
and then i have to the entire time while
i'm trying to coordinate
driving a vehicle know that my end
destination is going to the store
for for getting milk and all that is
is driven on human consciousness it is
consciousness because
i'm making a deliberate decision to do
something that i'm executing that
decision my brain
is communicating through electrical
impulses a desire that desire
is is a is a quantum process it is human
consciousness
it's not my brain saying hey i want to
go to the store there's something deeper
more innate saying hey
you need to go to the store for
something then the brain says okay great
i'm going to go ahead and tell the body
how to get there
so in a very real sense everything we do
is a quantum process it's is
consciousness
it doesn't have to be woo it's not woo
it's only woo when we start filling in
the blanks
uh with with speculation in the new
windows and we make it woo
but but the universe is woo enough or we
don't have to make it any more woo than
it is that's
that's reality we have the ability now
to put a helmet on a fighter pilot
and from a thousand miles away he can
fly an f-16 or she can fly an f-16
using brain waves that's that i mean
that's that's that is the the epitome
of of mind over matter that is that is
using a technical interface a device to
interpret human brainwave activity
and then creating an output right so you
whether
you know you want to call that uh
psychotronics or whatever you want to
call that
that that's a reality we're doing it now
darpa's working on that every time you
see an artificial limb where somebody
can control it with their brain
don't look now but that's consciousness
you're looking at it you're looking at
the epitome of what what that is and yes
we can manipulate things
in a material world with consciousness
we just use technology to do it and
enhance that for us
but that's that's not woo that's real
that's reality we do it every day
yeah and um you know i've
i've had um like i said my experience
i've had positive contact experiences
so in some ways i look at you know
contact or even if you want to
extrapolate
the ufo reality um as an opportunity
right uh for for human growth and and
that kind of thing
um so how what do you think that
presents to us
well there's always opportunity i mean
i've i've lived through wars and even
through wars there's always opportunity
i have the opportunity always
as terrible as war is i've had the
opportunity to meet some of the finest
human beings i've
i've ever had the privilege to serve
with and and not just
on my side of the fence too but on the
other side
you know i've i have seen the best and
worst in mankind in five
within five five minutes of each other
and
i i always think there's there's
opportunity even in the least likely
places
so i am optimistic you know people i'm
also realistic
you know people learn that about me but
i'm not all doom and gloom
in fact i think there's a potential here
for for incredible
opportunities i've said this for the
record before imagine
a thousand years of human technological
evolution occurring in one generation
and by the way that's not woo either we
did it with the space race when we
were going against toe to toe with the
soviets who was going to put the first
person on the moon
you know we invented 6 000
industries that wound up helping
humanity things like cat scans right and
cts and things like
like the led light bulb you know these
are things that are that have far
surpassed and exceeded their their
initial intended use and purpose
so i i always see opportunity look the
fact that you and i can sit here and
even have this conversation
this is an opportunity where we can we
can hopefully at the end of this
conversation bridge
bridge gaps and and and bring people
together that otherwise wouldn't come
together
so this is this is making a difference a
very positive difference
right now we're you're seeing it so it's
not wait oh well maybe one day this will
work out good for humanity
it's happening now you have an
international conversation
occurring right now where maybe people
can put aside their differences for just
a little bit
and come together for the mutual good
yeah
and uh you know one more thing you met
you brought up the idea before of human
kinds uh you know i thought
i this was a few years ago and it was
over some kind of video conference
for uh an event and i i was really
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i was i was pretty blown away by that
that was a profound statement
so um what do you mean when you say
human kinds
you know i'm uh probably gonna let your
imagine
take that because it means something
different for different people um
you know this is a this is a
tremendously complex universe we live in
and as my friend christopher mellon said
uh so eloquently
you know the earth has been here for
four and a half billion years
we've just been really looking for some
sort of life outside of
our planet for the last 100 years
is it possible that intelligent life has
found us first
and i think i've often used the analogy
of standing on a sandy beach looking at
the horizon
and in doing so one wonders what's it
like over the horizon
and although as a as a individual
these these paradigm moments don't
happen all the time as a species they do
and and we've seen it time and time
again whether it's the first time we
crawled out of the out of the cave and
looked at the sun
or we invented fire for the first time
and we can harness it
or we we stood on the sandy beach and
looked at the horizon
and and someone had the courage to say
i'm going to sail over that horizon
despite everybody saying no you're going
to fall off the earth and it's flat and
and there's sea monsters out there and
lo and behold
someone took a chance and here we are as
a species we
we did it and turns out there are sea
monsters there are things called great
white sharks and and blue whales and
great
great squid in the pacific uh but
they're not really monsters
they're just part of nature they're just
part of our reality our current paradigm
and uh they're they're they're normal
and so perhaps
this topic is yet just another horizon
that we're looking at
and we're on the precipice of sailing
over the horizon for the first time
um i think it's it's in our genetics
to continue to search and strive to look
for answers
um i don't think this topic is is any
different
and it may turn out that what we find
over the horizon
may be a reflection of us maybe maybe
we're maybe we're not not so
unique after all maybe maybe we're part
of a
a much more beautiful cosmic
neighborhood where
where life is is abundant um
and and then we have to redefine what it
means to be human
because maybe being human isn't quite so
so unique after all
maybe what makes us unique is is
something inside not outside and so
maybe we have to redefine what it means
to be a human being and maybe there's
there's more you know we refer to
yourself as mankind but
could quite possibly be the case that
it is mankind's that that there's a
there's a whole new definition now of
what we have to
we have to ascribe as being a sentient
life form an intelligent sentient life
life form um that that may very well be
the case
well that that's beautiful lou that that
needs to be like a segment in a book i
swear to god
um brother
um just if you had a message for for the
viewers or the listeners
uh to leave them with um what would that
be
don't stop and think for yourself
don't let other people tell you what to
think think for yourself that includes
me
don't don't don't you
my job is to give you the tools so you
know how to think not what to think
because if if someone's telling you what
to think then then they don't have your
best interest at heart
teaching someone how to think is a
little bit different but teaching
somebody
what to think i i have i have concern
with that so please think for yourself
don't let anybody tell you what to think
and again that includes me
um you know you need to think you need
to think for yourself
you need to collect the facts and the
data and then
process that data and asking one's
opinion is fine
but for the love of god please don't
ever give anybody the authority to make
decisions on your behalf
um especially decisions that involve
topics like this
um you know it's it's too important to
just
let somebody else decide that for you
definitely uh well lou i really want to
thank you for coming on
i i don't think people um necessarily
realize
not even on purpose just people are
caught up in their own lives and uh they
don't realize what
everything you've sacrificed and and put
into this and
and you know i'm i'm i'm really honored
uh
you know to be here speaking with you uh
with somebody who's who sacrificed
so much and and in a sense put the world
first to do the right thing and uh that
kind of integrity
is um it's not common so
you know god bless you and um you know
thank you so much for coming on doing
everything that you do
and you always have people that support
you and i'm not going to let people uh
blindly uh smash you in public and and
let
people get away with that because that's
just nonsense that's not right to do
well i i appreciate that very much but
at the end of the day
you know people people are entitled to
to to to take those swipes if that's
what makes them feel better
uh you know i i yes it frustrates me
um but at the end of the day you know i
i went to war so people have the right
to think i'm a bad guy
and and that's okay because ultimately
that's
that's that's that's what this is about
allowing people to formulate their own
opinions and i do appreciate you you
offering to defend me
um but this is part of the process
um i i we have to allow people to
express themselves
and even when that expression is is in
contravention to
to to what we believe and what we stand
for
um that i i i can't pick and choose and
say you know i'm only going to do this
for people who are grateful
i i'm doing this for even the people who
are ungrateful and the people who
who want to see me you know fail on a
daily basis and
uh that's okay that's okay i i i do it
anyways because i feel it's the right
thing to do and i do by the way
appreciate your time today and i also
want to say
a special thank you to your audience
i've always told people i don't care if
you have
one listener or 10 million listeners
this is a conversation that i'm happy to
have
because i think it's one that involves
all of us
absolutely thank well thank you so much
and uh we look forward to all the
all the work you keep on doing man and
thank you very much very thoughtful
appreciate it
you know