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Luis Elizondo | Under Oath Testimony to Congress 11/13/2024
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welcome everyone we are pleased to have
you today pursuant to committee rule 9g
the witnesses will please stand and
raise your right hands this is where it
gets real do you solemnly swear to
affirm that the testimony that you are
about to give is the truth the whole
truth and nothing but the truth so help
you
God let the record show that the
witnesses all answered in the
affirmative we appreciate all of you
being here today and look forward to
your testimony thank you I will now
recognize Mr Elizondo for his opening
statement greetings chairwoman mace
chairman gothman ranking members conell
and Garcia and members of the committee
it is my honor and privilege to testify
before you on the issue of unidentified
anomalous phenomenon formerly known as
UFOs on behalf of our brave men and
women in uniform and across the
intelligence Community as well as my
fellow Americans who have awaited this
day thank you for your leadership on
this important matter let me be clear
UAP are real advanc Technologies not
made by our government or any other
government are monitoring sensitive
military installations around the globe
furthermore the US is in possession of
UAP Technologies as are some of our
adversaries I believe we are in the
midst of a multi-decade secretive arms
race one funded by misallocated taxpayer
dollars and hidden from our elected
representatives and oversight bodies for
many years I was entrusted with
protecting some of our nation's most
sensitive programs in my last position I
managed a special access program on
behalf of the White House and the
National Security Council as such I
appreciate the need to protect certain
sensitive intelligence and Military
information I consider my oath to
protect Secrets as sacred and I will
always put the safety of the American
people first with that said I also
understand the consequences of excessive
secrecy and stovepiping nowhere was this
more apparent than in the aftermath of
9/11 which many of us remember all too
well I believe that America's greatness
depends on three
elements a a watchful Congress B A
responsive executive branch and C an
informed public over the last decade and
a half I learned that certain UAP
programs were and are operating without
any of these elements although much of
my government work on the UAP subject
Still Remains classified excessive
secrecy has led to grave misdeeds
against loyal civil servants military
personnel and the public all to hide the
fact that we are not alone in the cosmos
a small Cadre within our own government
involved in the UAP topic has created a
culture of suppression and intimidation
that I've personally been victim to
along with many of my former colleagues
this includes unwarranted criminal
investigations harassment and efforts to
destroy one's credibility most Americans
would be shocked to learn that the
pentagon's very own public affairs
office openly emplo employs a
professional psychological operations
officer as the singular point of contact
for any us U AP related inquiries from
citizens and the media this is
unacceptable many of my former
colleagues and I have provided
classified testimony to both the
Department of Defense and the
intelligence Community Inspector General
and many of us have subsequently been
targeted by this cabal with threats to
our careers our security clearances and
even our lives this is not hyperbole but
a genuine fact and this is wrong to fix
these problems I propos three principal
actions first Congress and the president
President should create a single point
of contact responsible for a whole of
government approach to the UAP issue
currently the White House CIA NASA the
Pentagon Department of energy and others
play a role but no one seems to be in
charge leading to unchecked power and
Corruption second we need a national UAP
strategy that will promote transparency
and help restore the American public's
trust at a time when the Public's trust
is at an all-time low this strategy
should include a whole of government
approach including the academic and
scientific communities the private
sector and our International partners
and allies third Congress should create
a protected environment so
whistleblowers desperate to do the right
thing can come forward without fear as
it currently stands these whistleblowers
suffer because of stigma a Code of
Silence and concerns about retaliation
these whistleblowers should be
encouraged to come forward in ways that
protect them against any forms of
retaliation policies and procedures
should ensure that protection and for
those who refuse to cooperate is up to
the members of this committee and the
other lawmakers to wield their subpoena
power against hostile Witnesses and
prevent additional Government funding to
those UAP efforts that remain hidden
from congressional oversight in closing
We As Americans have never been afraid
of a challenge in fact we thrive on them
whether it's eradicating polio or going
to the Moon we don't run from a
challenge we take it headon to the
incoming Administration and Congress I
say to you we need immediate public
transparency and this hearing is an
important step on that Journey if we
approach the UAP iic in the same way as
we of As Americans have met other
challenges we can restore our faith in
our government institutions together we
can Usher in a new era of accountable
government and scientific discovery I
believe that we as Americans can handle
the truth and I also believe the world
deserves the truth thank you esteemed
members of Congress for your time today
it is profoundly appreciated by many
thank you I ask unanimous consent for
representatives ogles of Tennessee and
bobbert of Colorado to be waved onto the
subcommittee for today's joint
subcommittee hearing for the purpose of
asking questions without objection so
ordered I will now recognize myself for
five minutes of questioning I have a lot
of questions and I have a lot of
witnesses so I would just ask if it's
yes or no to please just tell me yes or
no um if it requires more than that um
be very succinct because I would like to
go down the line and ask as many
questions as possible so um all right
okay Mr Al alzando you stay in your
testimony that quote Advanced
Technologies not by our government or
any other government are monitoring
sensitive military installations around
the globe end quote if these
Technologies are not made by any
government who's making them private
companies or are you implying they are
crafted by a non-human intelligence Well
ma'am that's precisely why we're here uh
the problem is that temporally speaking
over decades not just the last 10 years
before to put this in perspective when
are these private companies you're
implying or is this uh non-human
intelligence it may be both uh when it
comes to Blue Force Technologies I would
not be able to discuss are you read into
secret UAP crash retrieval programs um
we would have to have a conversation in
a Clos session ma'am I signed
documentation three years ago that
restricts my ability to discuss
specifically crash retrievals um I
submitted for my book through the doser
process which took a year for it to be
reviewed and what is in the book is what
I was told I'm allowed to talk about has
the government conducted secret UAP
crash retrieval programs yes or no yes
okay were they designed to identify and
reverse engineer alien craft yes or no
yes does the US government have any
reverse uh okay we that question about
retrieval programs um do any US
contractors have the same um I would
prefer to address a close session ma'am
okay in your book you mentioned
government employees who've been injured
by uaps placed on leave and receiving
government compensation for their
injuries is that correct that is correct
how can the government deny we have
recovered craft if they're paying people
people because they've been injured by
recovered craft ma'am that's a great
question that's why I think we're here
again because I've seen the
documentation by the US government for
several of these individuals who have
sustain sustained injuries as a result
of a UAP incident it's a crazy idea
right the hypocrisy and the logic uh Mr
elzando did I have that correct sir I'm
going to put my I'm a recovering lawyer
so I'm going to put my hat on for a
second you said you signed a document
love that who gave that to you the US
govern sir okay you have a copy of it um
it is stored in the skiff right now uh I
do not have possession of it the US
government does what department of the
US government gave you this document I
will say the Department of Defense
unfortunately I can't say in this forum
much more than that you specifically
said the document said you can't talk
about Crash
retrieval well you know you can't talk
about Fight Club if there's no Fight
Club correct okay I'm just making an
observation yes sir so that document
that you signed that you said
exists specifically said you can't talk
about Crash retrieval correct sir it was
a limitation on what I because already
i' had been speaking publicly about the
topic and so the document said you can
continue saying XYZ but you cannot
discuss the topic give me give me the
atmosphere of signing this document
you're in a room by yourself I'm in a
skiff with a security officer sir just
one-on-one anybody else uh there may
have been an assistant as well um it was
in a skiff within a Department of
Defense facility give me your background
real quick
uh my background is um I went to school
to study microbiology and Immunology uh
entered into the US Army and after a
very short stint in Military
Intelligence um I became a Counter
Intelligence special agent as a civilian
later on I became a special agent in
charge uh running investigations in
counterterrorism and counter Espionage
primarily uh with some experience in
counterinsurgency and counternarcotics
and then in 2009 time frame when I came
back to the P Pentagon after a tour with
the Director of National Intelligence um
I quickly became part of a program that
was originally called assap that evolved
into the program now called a tip which
is where those videos that we now see
the go fast the gimbal the Fleer um that
was part of our effort sir right so you
don't you're not some conspiracy
theorist you actually have a legitimate
background well sir I'm certainly not a
conspiracy theorist uh I'm I'm
fact-based just say fact so when you're
in this room I want to paint the picture
of everybody you're in this room you're
by yourself you're in a ski you're
handed a document how long's document uh
it's about a page front and back so
basically you have some things they call
trigraphs which I cannot again uh talk
to how long were you given to sign the
document as long as I need it sir I what
if you didn't sign it well the I suspect
there'd be repercussions I wouldn't have
access to certain information was a law
were you allowed to conduct ask a lawyer
or weren't allowed to talk weren't
allowed to ask for a lawyer to review
the document it wasn't an option but
they may probably wouldn't have have
allowed me to because the document
itself is pretty explicit about you have
to be putting me in an interest let me
try to thread the needle here um there
are certain documents that we have in
the US government that allow people to
have access to certain programs whether
it's a special I'm going to be very
generic here whether it's a special
Access program or controlled Access
program sap cap whatnot how many people
have to sign that document it depends
how many people are going to get access
to the information sir okay okay uh
we'll go to m Mr
elando hope I got that right or not at
least not that um
you're familiar with the recent drone
incursion Over langing The Air Force
Base yes sir the owners of these drones
remain unclear the US military has not
been able to give us in Congress an
answer given your experience with the
Department of Defense and the
intelligence Community how frequently
are UAP sightings over military
installations and secondly I suppose
hypothetically you could have incursions
over just say regular airports is it
obvious these incursions are more likely
over
military facilities than just a random
airport out there yes sir there's
definitely enough data to suggest that
there is certainly some sort of uh
relationship between sensitive US
military installations also some of our
nuclear equities and also some of our
department of energy sites there is a
long uh historical record that um some
of your colleagues may may have
documentation uh that demonstrates this
this is not uh a a new trend this has
been going on for for decades and it's
that information's been OB fiscated uh
unfortunately from from folks like you
uh in in this committee and I think
that's problematic because ultimately at
the end of the day um we have a
significant situation here we have
something that can enter into US
airspace completely with no attribution
and how long has this been going on Sir
decades and there's information that
will hopefully be entered into can you
think of any possible reason why they
can't release any information they have
on something say 15 or 20 years old sir
if I could Echo uh my colleague here
Admiral G Deb um I think one of the big
issues that we have in the intelligence
Community Department of Defense is we
don't want to broadcast any potential
vulnerabilities or weaknesses in our
National Defense systems or on
intelligence collection platforms
therefore when you have a conversation
where you address a problem for which
there is no solution um it makes that a
very uncomfortable conversation to have
okay I will now recognize uh Mr berett
for five minutes of questions thank
chair lady I requesting am cassan to
enter into the record documents provided
to us regarding Legacy UAP programs and
psychological operations um Lou aland so
ordered I also wanted to thank my buddy
Jeremy corbel for writing us documents
and access to some whistleblowers Mr
alzando what is the last position your
last position with the federal
government sir I was the director of
national program special management
staff managing a White House special
access program on behalf of the National
Security Council how would you
characterize UAP
p uh an enigma sir and a frustration um
we are talking about technologies that
can outperform anything we have in our
inventory and if this was an adversarial
technology um this would be an
intelligent failure eclipsing that of
911 by an order of magnitude are there
classified Department of Defense
materials related uaps that you believe
could be safely disclosed to the public
without compromising National Security
yes sir I do um I would never uh ever
tried to endorse providing some sort of
information that could compromise what
we call a blue Force technology or
capability uh but I do believe there's a
lot of information regarding this topic
and I've been very vocal about it that
should be shared not only with the
public but most importantly with members
of Congress are you familiar with my
friend David G absolutely sir I had the
priv privilege and honor of working with
him myself several years ago at us space
force last year as you know he testified
that the US has run a multi-decade UAP
crash retrieval and reverse engineering
program would you agree with that yes
sir are there UAP programs operating
without without proper Congressional
oversight 100% what are they
unfortunately sir I would have to have
that conversation in a closed session I
know you said that a lot of people are
frustrated with those kind of answers
but we're asking those kind of questions
so you all know what the heck we're up
against um you also mentioned in your
opening statement that the pentagon's
public affairs office employs a
psychological operations officer a
singular point of contact for UAP
related inquiries why the heck would
they do that sir that's a great question
uh I would ask the Pentagon there's a
long history here of this that
individual providing misleading and
false information to the public through
various uh news outlets and media
outlets in order to discredit this topic
um I have personally been victim to it
we have the docum documentation to
substantiate where this information has
been absolutely inaccurate that has been
provided time and time again and it
turns out that that individual was also
working with former leadership of Arrow
at the time as well and we punish them
by giving them multi-million dollars
more than they ask for every year in
this report Mr
elzando for for
reference uh several types of of
allegedly alien craft or possibly alien
craft or or unknown aerial phenomena
what we used should call UFOs or
describe spheres and
orbs um disc and saucers oval or Tic Tac
triangular shape Boomerang and Arrowhead
and irregular or organic Mr alesandro
does that summarized to you the types of
craft that we're discussing today sir
that is a general morphology
historically speaking of U so so those
descriptions very different craft would
is it your is it your assessment that
they would come of different of
different
Origins uh it's possible but it's also
could be sense a matter of utility and
let me just stay for the record I never
read the report that uh or the article
that Mr shellenberger put out um the
reason that's a good point we're just
referencing it yes sir for descriptive
purposes for the American people uh Mr
alzando to your knowledge can you name
the country and around time frame that
the first back back engineered uh UAP
program started ma'am uh unfortunately I
would not be able to have that
conversation in public um Can anyone on
the panel name that
I canot none of you okay uh Mr alzando
in regards to these aircraft being
piloted by whatever they might be
non-human biologics are
you would you agree that it's likely
that they are being piloted by some Mind
Body Connection ma'am I think it is safe
to presume here that they are being
intelligently controlled because they
some cases seem to anticipate uh our
Maneuvers and in other cases they seem
to um and I I came across an email where
the word stocked was used in a uh in a
very secure email between Navy officers
discussing their ships uh being pursued
by a UAP in our previous panel we had
grush and he had testified to say that
some of these were interdimensional
beings can you speak on that at all
ma'am I'm not qualified certainly as a
scientist or otherwise to speculate
points of origin um I looked at
everything from a scientific perspective
so if you look at for example
instantaneous acceleration which was one
of the observables of the program that I
belong to a tip um the human body can
withstand about 9g forces for a short
period of time before you suffer
negative biological consequences
blackouts and ultimately red outs and
even death comparison our best
technology the F-16 which is one of it's
older platform but one of our most
highly maneuverable aircraft man
aircraft made by General Dynamics can
perform about 17 or 18 G forces before
you start having struct ual failure
meaning that the airframe begins to
disintegrate while you're flying the
vehicles we're we're talking about are
performing in excess of 1,000 2,000
3,000 GS so are you I guess would it be
safe to infer that they're living Craft
um you know I'm not prepared at this
point to State for the record um is
something alive or not because even that
definition is s there was a time in
science we we thought that um like
required oxygen and we now know that's
not true there are anerobic bacteria
that thrive in oxygen uh environments
that lack oxygen um and also same with
photosynthesis when I was in in college
I was told every everything is derived
from photosynthesis uh as a form of
energy um in reality that's not true
there are things that live off of
chemosynthesis so we're constantly have
uh having to reevaluate our
understanding of what what the
definition of life is MHM um do any of
you ever come across reports from people
that claim to have firsthand experiences
with these entities whatever they might
be or these aircraft and then as a
result whether or not they're religious
find that these things will
automatically
disappear anyone and this is open to any
of you on the panel so just real quick
because I'm running out of
time blue uh ma'am um I've always been a
nuts and bolts kind of guy when I was at
atip um I was focusing more on the
performance Char characteristics and
less on the the potential occupants okay
um the reason I ask is because it seems
like just based on our conversations
that we've had people that say that
there are good and bad of whatever these
things are and so my concern from a
national security perspective is is a
that true B are you guys hearing the
reports of that and C um I want to I
want to just start by um just asking
everyone on the panel or Witnesses and I
had a chance to read all the testimony
uh uh before but just to set the agenda
just if we can go down real briefly do
you believe just for the record that um
the federal government any part of the
federal government is knowingly
concealing evidence about uaps from the
public
yes
sir 100%
yes yes thank you I also want to just go
down the line and I know you've many of
you have already said this but I just
for the record again just briefly um
what do you believe uaps could be or
are strong evidence that they are
non-human higher
intelligence I Echo uh my colleague's
comment
sir genuinely do not not
know don't know but we must find out
okay thank you I I appreciate those
answers um uh gentlemen I think this is
obviously another uh remarkable hearing
with just really important information
so I thank all of you for for answering
the questions so um and you uh Mr
alzando you said in your report and and
and your your testimony today um a
government work on the UAP subject Still
Remains classified excessive CES led to
grave misdeeds against loyal civil
servants military personnel and the
public all to hide the fact that we are
not alone in the cosmos Fair yes sir all
right and and all of you and and and Mr
shellenberger by the way I've read
several of your books Mr shellenberg
excellent stuff thank you uh what I
would say too is um you were asked about
the veracity of the author of this
report you comfortable with
veracity yes okay and then uh and I'll
get to you a second Mr Gold we'll talk
about kunan and laosan uh scientific uh
advancement and how we're obviating that
through these processes but we'll get to
that in a sec because what I want to
really get to is um the ultimate
question Al really becomes
this for what purpose is the federal
government over classifying because
that's what they're doing they're over
classifying and forbidding the public
for getting access to this and and if
you know if you have an explanation
I'm I'm curious because
um I I know what I've been told I just
want to know from your perspective why
do they over classify Mr alexand you
look like you're finger on the butt and
ready to go yes sir forgive me um I
think there's several reasons um I think
at the time when this first this this
reality became evident to the US
government we were um in the middle of
the cold war with then Soviet Union and
we did not want to tip our hands to what
um our knowledge base was on this topic
uh we did not want to broadcast that to
uh Cold War cold war is long over it is
her it is her um there's also then the
philosophical argument that um the
Department of Defense and the
intelligence Community is solution
oriented and when you don't have answers
it's it's a really tough spot to be in
it's easier to be quiet and suppressed
then if you don't have the answer indeed
sir in fact there's a there's a very
real example uh when we built the U2 spy
plane and flew it over then um Russia
and we're taking reconnaissance and when
we first started flying the aircraft it
flew so high and so fast we thought they
weren't tracking Us in reality they were
tracking every flight it wasn't until
the Russians Russians could develop the
sa2 surface air missile and successfully
shoot I would suggest to you also along
with Latos and and you also have a
problem with Kenneth Arrow's um path
dependence or increasing returns that's
one reason why they won't disclose it
it's too painful to admit thank you
madam chair uh Mr
alzando um I um does the any branch of
the United States government or defense
contractors possess
technology sir there's documentation um
that I believe was submitted for the
record that it was rele approved for
release by the US Pentagon by the uh
Department of Defense office of
pre-publication Security review and it
is uh it states one of the reasons why
my predecessor program assap uh was
trying to collect material uh of uh
Unknown Origin did you Su was it
successfully collected um it was not
what happened is that there was an
aerospace contract company that
requested to divest itself of the
material that was collected in 1950s um
unfortunately that that didn't actually
occur so let's dive into that that's the
um Bigalow airspace correct so um there
was a journalist Christopher sharp who
who said that lock there was a transfer
between lockie Martin Bigalow airspace
and the CIA allegedly blocked this can
you describe that
um what I can say is that it was blocked
um why it was blocked I can I can only
summize um I was part of some
conversations later on with some of
those contract Personnel where they they
had told all of us that is accurate um
what we required was a memo from the
secretary of the Air Force in order to
make that complete and that never
occurred and so when secretary Mattis
became Secretary of Defense um I decided
it would be appropriate for me to try to
receive a memo from him as SEF as
secretary defense if we could not get a
memo from the secretary of the Air Force
to transfer that material so if that
material exist
today who's in possession sorry I
wouldn't be able to have that
conversation uh in an open hearing we'd
probably have to have that okay my my
question to you then is if we were in a
secure setting if we were in a skiff
would you be able
to provide or get access to something
whether it's a visuals or material that
we could put our hands on or biologics
that would convince me that would show
me um that that we have non-human
Origins sir that decision would not be
mine that would be to the gatekeeper
still in the US government and who would
we so if you were in our shoes where
would you go from here how would you get
that information how would where you
know a lot of times we just don't know
who to ask because we don't know um
where to go next so if you were in our
shoes where would you go well I I prefer
to answer that question in a Clos
session however we we established arrow
for that very purpose and unfortunately
under its previous leadership it failed
um so one would hope that they would
have the authorities necessary to do
that um let's hope that this new
iteration of leadership uh will be
successful um in in the discussions it's
it's simply about material or is there
discussion about biolog it was
previously testified that there was
biologics that were collected are you
aware of any of that I am sure aware of
the reporting that biologics have been
recovered again my focus was more nuts
and bolts um looking at the the physical
aspects of these phenomenon how they
interacted around uh military equities
and nuclear equities so I'm certainly
not a medical expert um I would not be
able to probably provide you a whole lot
of value in that simply because I don't
have the expertise to was anything
described as that we have possession of
bodies yes yes we have POS is it
multiple types of creatures or sir I I
couldn't answer that um I can tell you
anecdotally that it was it was um
discussed quite a bit when I was at the
Pentagon the problem is the colle
supposed collection of these biological
samples occurred before my time in fact
before I was even born and was this part
of the locked Martin discussion or was
this complet the biologics is a
completely separate um separate yet
related okay um has has anyone made
contact sir I'm sorry could you specify
has there been any to your knowledge any
communication with a non-human life form
so the term communication is a bit of a
trick word because um there's verbal
communication like we're having now the
problem is you also have non-verbal
communication and so I would say
definitively yes but from a non-verbal
meaning when a Russian reconnaissance
aircraft comes into US airspace we
scramble two f-22s and we are certainly
communicating intent and capability um I
think the same goes with this we have
these things that are being observed
over controlled us airspace um and
they're not really doing a good job
hiding themselves they're making it
pretty obvious they have the ability to
even interfere with our our nuclear
equities and our nuclear
Readiness is is um the United States
government or and our contractors are
they pulling you know technology from
this are they're they're reverse
engineering this sir as I previously
stated please forgive me um I am not
authorized to discuss specifics about
Crash retrievals um I again I signed
documentation with the US government um
what I can say was after a very thorough
review process by the Pentagon what I
wrote about and that was my limit
unfortunately that it was given thank
you yes sir thank you I would like to
recognize Mr Timmons for five minutes of
questioning thank you madam chair uh Mr
Alando you just said something
interesting you said they don't seem to
be hiding they don't seem to be hiding
the UAP sightings are becoming
increasingly um Brash if you will and
you know we've been hearing about these
for years but they've generally been
isolated and not um as consistent and
overcritical military installations um
would you say that's fair is is this
becoming increasingly uh of is it
happening more and more great question
sir um let me see if I can answer this
for you um certainly there seems to be
some some indication that they're being
provocative meaning that they're in some
cases literally splitting aircraft
formations right down the middle um so
that's an air safety issue the question
is it is it is it the frequency
increasing and the the really the
response is it depends yes it's possible
that there is an increase in frequency
but it's also possible that there's
heightened awareness now and there's
also more pervasiveness of Technology
out there that's collecting this
information and that can record this
information so we're not quite sure yet
if it's actually an increase in in
numbers of of these events or is it that
we have better equipment now that to
record these things and we can we have a
better ability if you will to to analyze
these things and that's my next question
do you it seems that a lot of these
sightings occur near mil military
installations do you think that these um
uaps are intentionally targeting
military installations or do you think
that we have increased abilities to
monitor surrounding the military
installations sir maybe both um part of
my concern is we have something in the
Department of Defense and the
intelligence uh Community called ipb uh
initial preparations of the battle space
and we use equities like ISR
intelligence surveillance Recon and
other type of equities and Technologies
to prep the battle space um and
certainly you know if I was wearing my
National Security hat even if there was
a 2% chance that there was some sort of
of hostile intent here um that's 2%
higher than we really can accept and so
we must figure out there's a calculus
capabilities versus intent in order to
identify if something is a national
security threat we've seen some of the
capabilities yet we have no idea in the
intent and so this is why this
discussion is is somewhat I think
problematic from a governmental
perspective because we have no idea sure
thank you um um Mr alzando were you
right into the immaculate constellation
program and I would not be authorized to
confirm nor deny the existence of any
ongoing or past program especially as it
relates to a special Access program
either by name or trigraph okay and then
are there does the US government or
private contractors they work with other
foreign countries China for example to
exchange data quote from a source uh
that intelligence data about UAP um let
me see if I can answer that a little bit
more generally ma'am if I may u we do
have foreign material exploitation uh
programs um that is something that is
widely known and that term itself is
unclassified how exactly that works
becomes a bit sensitive uh a discussion
we could certainly have in a in a Clos
session if you like we do work with
International partners and allies quite
often not just in military exercises and
workups but in intelligence um effort as
well in terms of material that's given
to private contractors is certain
material given to certain contractors
because of their experience so for
example uh if it's um related to
submerged and undersea propulsion would
it go to a general contractor like
General Dynamics yes ma'am absolutely
correct um different contractors have
different levels of expertise what's
lockheed's expertise Aerospace ma'am in
in the UAP space that's all that uh they
would do submerged
no I didn't say that ma'am okay loed
Martin and others do quite a bit of work
both um in our atmosphere in space and
and even underwater there are there are
certain um efforts to it's a tough
question you're asking put me on the
spot here I'm ask I'm looking for the
answer yes ma'am no they they are
involved in a lot um I would rather let
loie Martin explain um the different
domains that they are involved with um
probably not authorized to discuss that
but they are involved in a lot of lot of
different areas domains adal flight
safety risks for our Pilots yes sir okay
my last question the first hearing we
had on this um I've never been briefed
on UAP or what they were biologics
non-human Etc how would you define each
of you my last question how would you
define non-human biologics non-human
intelligence what are we actually
talking about Admiral and we'll go down
the
line I don't think it's a stretch when
you look at the diversity of Life on
this planet and the size of this
universe to think that there would be
more diverse higher order non-human
intelligences throughout the Universe
and that's probably what visiting
us um I would take the scientific
approach the ab the the definition would
be the ability to react to a stimulus um
in a manner that uh requires an
intellectual thought
process I just don't
know I think we must be modest in our
assumptions that we're looking for
intelligence that could be biological it
might
not well thank you all for being here
and
Madam chairwoman I out of breath because
I sprinted to get here but uh this is an
important hearing um I think we all know
that there's something going on Mr uh
alzando based on your knowledge of UAP
sightings do you believe it's fair to
say that they are especially common near
nuclear sites yes sir uh Mr Congressman
I absolutely uh am convinced of that as
are my colleagues uh inside the
government and the reason why I POS that
question and this has been one of my
talking points from the beginning is you
know Oak Ridge is in Tennessee the
so-called weather balloon that drifted
that we now know was controlled it it
passed near Oak Ridge it obviously is a
sensitive site both uh of interest to
our adversaries and to whatever else
this is because we know that at military
installations at sensitive locations
such as nuclear facilities that we're
seeing this take place so the question
is what is it
do you believe they've caused an
irregular
activity in why might they be interested
in those sites sir um in some cases it's
actually regular activity uh you'd be
surprised there's actually document
documentation right now that's been
submitted uh it's not just oakd it's
Savannah River Site SRS it's also Los
Alamos um a lot of our uh sensitive R&D
locations appear to be under some sort
of surveillance and monitoring um why
well because a lot of innovation comes
out of those areas a lot of new
technologies a lot of uh if you will
disruptive technologies that we use for
our National Defense um is originates
out of out of those locations and
advanced concepts and physics as well so
if I was doing any type of
reconnaissance um even on a foreign
adversary that's a great Target uh to
start with sure and and again this has
been one of my talking points I do have
questions um what role might the
department of energy or it subsidiaries
or Affiliates have in this type of
Technology uh or possessing this type of
Technology whether it's ours or others