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LUIS ELIZONDO (UFO Pilots) BEYOND HUMAN INTELLIGENCE
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How can we begin to understand the intelligence behind the UFO / UAP mystery if they are not Human..? Is this something the United States Government and Military looked into..? Is there going to be a new UFO News Embargo or will the floodgates of UFO truths finally be opened..? Cristina Gomez catches up with Lue Elizondo to ask questions and find out about what he has been busy with since the drop of the DoD's UAP Report. Other topics discussed include the sudden silence in mainstream media in regards to UFOs / UAPs reports and discussions, as well as the origin of the source of the UFO / UAP intelligence and what the future holds for disclosure efforts and UFO truth and transparency.
Lue Elizondo is the former Senior Counterintelligence Officer for the Department of Defense, and ex-Director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Being primarily focused on secretive investigations of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena ( UAPs ) more commonly known as Unidentified Flying Objects ( UFOs ) the classified program first garnered the attention of the public on December 16, 2017, when the world was stunned by an article published by the NY Times publication entitled "Glowing Auras and 'Black Money'.
The program was initiated in 2007, with an approved budget of $22 million to be used until 2012 when the program would either cease, or request further budget appropriations.
The Department of Defense reported that the program indeed ended in 2012 after a working period of 5 years. Since leaving the AATIP program, Mr. Elizondo has made it a personal crusade to get over many obstacles and hurdles in order to pursue continued research and investigations into the mystery of the UFOs that have buzzed US Navy Carrier Strike groups around the world, flown with impunity into restricted air space, interacted with sensitive National Defense assets, and traversed trans-medium environments such as Space, the Oceans, and the Skies around the globe.

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6apab6_GNwk

Transcript:

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hello and welcome to episode 18 of
shifting the paradigm i'm christina
gomez your host des for this next hour
of ufo shenanigans where we look and
think outside the proverbial box jump
down rabbit holes and wear the red pill
is actually a red tic tac
if you haven't had your paradigm shifted
get ready
i've been looking forward to having mr
lou elizondo as my guest on shifting the
paradigm for many months now
if ever there is someone who's really
shifted the paradigm for so many it is
lou a lot has happened since our last
interview for the debrief the dod uap
report was released on june 25th with a
tremendous amount of mainstream media
attention and fanfare and then within a
week it was old news
not just the report but the entire topic
we went from daily news coverage
speculation special reports and features
to practically zero coverage in the
space of a week and it was back to the
old news headlines here we are two
months later and it seems like
kind of nothing has changed i mean what
gives did a lid come down on the entire
topic preventing any more coverage or is
it just the same old news cycle
recycling itself
what's going on behind the scenes and
what are we not hearing about
these questions and more we'll be
covering here today on shifting the
paradigm with lou elizondo lou welcome
to the show and for joining us here
today so exciting
christina thank you so much for having
me
thank you to your wonderful audience you
know it's it's always such it's such a
blast always always talking with you i'm
wondering i mean can i can i just move
into your studio and
we have a chat every week
let me tell you i live in a really
really tiny dorm room so you might just
be like a little cramped
i'm really short for the record so
i've always told people one of the
advantages in the military that if you
know you're in combat usually because
i'm so short the bullet just goes right
over my head
and hits the the guy behind me now if
they're if they're like aiming for the
knees i'm done i'm going to take it
right between the eyes and i'm
i'm done but uh thank you so much for
having me christina this is great
again apologies for not making last week
i was stuck in the denver airport i
guess there was a a storm and it backed
up all the aircraft and uh i was stuck
there for about two days straight and no
i didn't get a a hotel i i just toughed
it out and uh
yeah it wasn't um
by the time i got home i
i i hadn't shaved i i was stinky um i
was grumpy and just you know all sorts
of miserable but thank you for for
rescheduling me oh absolutely i mean we
get it life happens you know and you
can't always plan for it i did want to
mention that my last guest on the show
was harvard professor avi lope and he
told me here he appeared on over
1100 interviews over the course of six
months
but i've gotta believe you have them
beat because months before months
running to the 180 day report you were
either on tv or in a podcast or being
interviewed by like by someone several
times a day and then the report dropped
and everything has gone quiet but i
quickly want to ask you how many
appearances do you think you've done
in general oh well you know christina
it's not so much
a question of how many i've done it's
how many i've really enjoyed and i
really enjoy yours so your yours is one
of my favorite the rest don't really
matter i don't even really keep count uh
and uh and i i certainly appreciate the
compliment um yeah it was it was a lot
of uh media exposure now you know
something really
interesting and i
i've been dying to address this and i'm
gonna address it on on your show
people say you know it's crickets out
there no one's saying anything there's
no new news coverage
yes precisely because real work is being
done right now um i'm i'm in the middle
of writing a a thought piece you know
and and i compare disclosure to
to three things nuclear submarines uh i
compare it to dark energy and i compare
it to earthquakes um why is that because
all of these things occur uh and exist
and you can't see it you can't see it
you can't really it's hard to detect
but just because you can't see something
doesn't mean that there's not something
happening uh beyond beyond what you can
observe you know earthquakes the same
same thing right you you have all this
energy and movement occurring right
beneath your feet in the earth's crust
and it's only when there's a sudden
release of energy does everybody now
feel the effects right well it's the
same thing with disclosure there's a lot
of things happening behind the curtain
right now a lot of exciting things that
are really taking this conversation to
the next level um unfortunately the
general public doesn't see it
because some of these things haven't yet
come quite to fruition but make no
mistake christina we we are absolutely
110 engaged and i think
i think your audience is going to be
absolutely thrilled when when some of
this stuff comes to light because you
know what it is going to have a big
media splash um there is 60 minutes it's
going to be replaying their their uh
their their episode on this topic again
this sunday uh and they're doing that
because they tend to do repeats they're
the best best shows they do repeats when
on during off season uh but there's a
reason why they're doing it and i think
um i think there's a lot happening i i
don't think actually i know because
we're we're part of some of that that
that those efforts
um but
again
there's a lot going on just like i
talked about earthquakes you know a
nuclear submarine
this is this is a a if you will a
submarine is a boat basically that goes
underwater that's the size of a
skyscraper right and yet it's completely
invisible it's all under the surface and
you only know it's there when it breaks
the surface or you know
bad things happen
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but that's very much again like what
we're doing now there's a lot happening
subsurface
i'll discuss with you if you want some
of those things
and also if i may do a real quick mia
culpa
the last two months i've been a little
bit uh
missing in action and uh i will share
with you um i had a pretty significant
health scare
i think i mentioned maybe on twitter
once that i was dealing with some some
health issues uh it was a little more
serious than that um i was told by by my
doctor when they were diagnosing a
hiatal hernia
um that that i have
and um they they
they found what they thought was cancer
uh on my on my kidney and they were
trying to figure out uh do we remove the
kidney do we try uh localized uh
surgical debridement do we do chemo do
we do radiation
and so for for a month uh and a half or
so
it was a pretty pretty intense ride in
the in the el zondo house and so
um i kept quiet about that for several
reasons um a what i don't want is uh you
know a bunch of people on twitter to
feel sorry for me or start worrying
about me
uh you know i'm i'm
but i can handle myself um
and then two we didn't have the full
diagnosis yet um it turns out as of just
a few days ago a few days ago i was
informed
that um what that made this this this
mass they call large mass on my kidney
my left kidney uh may in fact be um just
a a large uh benign cyst
which is it's it's
not super common um basically when they
did the test all the tests were saying
no this is cancer
but then the last test they did they
were very surprised they said actually
you know what this this may not look
like cancer this may just be something
um that that's quite benign so i'm still
undergoing tests right now right now
things are looking much much better than
they did just uh just a few days ago but
i wanted to share that with you and your
audience and apologize for being a
little bit missing in action um i wasn't
trying to be neglectful or ignore
anybody uh it just i you know i had to
take care of some some health issues for
sure oh my gosh my my heart's my heart's
racing life life can really suck and
that's really awful to hear regardless
if it's cancer or assist and you know
i'll be praying for you and i'm sure
everyone else will be as well because
you're a hero to us
to the ufo community you know what
people have gone through a hell of a lot
more than i have and had had to go
through a lot more so uh the good news
is you know please please don't feel
sorry for me i'm doing great uh the best
news that i could have heard
was was given to me uh so you know
prognosis is is actually quite good
worse comes to more surgery right you
know yeah your worst comes to worse slow
take the kidney don't care i got another
one you know i mean at this point
they've taken so many organs out of me
you know what the hell's a kidney right
so uh you know
again it could be worse but anyways just
wanted to share that with you and say
thank you for for everyone's patience
and uh
lou what what other organs do you not
have
oh my goodness gallbladder i've got my
my fake knees i've got uh
i've had um
inguinal hernia uh hiatal hernia um i
had when i came back from i can't
remember if it was afghanistan or iraq
one of these wonderful uh garden spots
that i was i went to a couple times
um when i came back i i was really
suffering internally man there's
something not right with me they went in
and when they were they were repairing
the uh the inguinal hernia the the
surgeon she said to me uh when i woke up
she said look i don't know what happened
but it look forgive me for being
kind of colorful here but she said look
like a rat had chewed inside of you and
i said
what she said yeah but you know we saw
some scar tissue so we're presuming that
whatever you had some sort of parasitic
infection that was really doing some
damage in there but it appears that that
whatever it was you beat it but it's
caused you know quite a bit of havoc in
inside so
um i was dealing with that i had
tuberculosis
for years on medication we had uh
we got exposed to anthrax so then we had
to go young cipro and so i think over
time that kind of takes an effect on the
body
yeah absolutely that's insane it um yeah
a lot of our brave men and women in
uniform uh you know come back now and
and it's not just it's not just the the
ptsd there really is you know some some
physical uh
challenges that that are or our folks in
uniform are coming back with so um again
i had it a lot better than most so for
the love of god please don't feel sorry
for me i'm doing great
i feel great uh nothing that uh that a
cup of cuban coffee won't fix
there you go it's always the coffee it
always helps out i quickly want to say
to everyone in the chat that i have
received over 200 questions we're ready
to answer every one of them in an hour
or less than an hour now 45 minutes
we're gonna answer all 200 no no we're
not but i got them on reddit twitter
facebook email instagram in the last two
weeks and of course you know i will not
be able to ask all of them i picked a
few of the ones that i found the most
intriguing and original to ask along
with my own
i also want to say that i can't follow
the live chat accurately while we are
streaming here live so if you have a
burning hot original question to ask
then please help out this channel by
doing a super chat which will of course
grab my attention from the rest of the
chat and will be asked so believe it or
not we had a super chat question already
given to given to us by so willow r at
around 1 p.m right so like five hours
ago uh for twenty dollars supporting the
channel thank you so much so elo and the
question is
i'm condensing this question into one
here so it says can we understand the
psychology of those operating the uap
through a through observation giving us
signs that they enjoy toying with their
pilots even mischievously therefore
showing that their evolution could
possibly be similar to ours what are
your thoughts on that
wow uh first of all i've never been
asked that question before thank you
very much very insightful good question
you know the problem with with this
topic is we tend because we're human
beings we tend to assign anthropomorphic
characteristics to to everything in
nature um every time i play with my dog
what i do oh you're such a good little
boy right
and and you know there's i i'm
connecting with a sentient being and as
such i ascribe to it human
characteristics now
maybe i'm right maybe i'm wrong but i
think we tend to do that the same thing
when we're talking about the uap topic
we tend to
ascribe human motivations human intent
human psychology
sociology as well
to to this thing because what we see are
observations
there that defy our current
understanding and in order for us to
better
rationalize what we are experiencing and
seeing it's easier for us to put it in a
nice neat little box that we understand
um but you know christina you said it in
the beginning of the show here about
thinking outside the box by the way i i
love that part of your show at the
beginning that that intro
but we we have to force ourselves to to
think outside of the box in fact we have
to
we have to presume there's no box at all
and and that's that's hard to do because
it goes against uh everything we are as
a human species
whether or not there is an intent to
toy with the human race um it's
certainly possible
but then you have to presume that
whatever it is is more human more
similar to us
uh than than
than perhaps we we we realize uh and you
know that that in itself is kind of a
scary notion are we dealing with it with
something else that's
very similar to human beings and as far
as thought process and motivation i
certainly hope not because we tend to be
a pretty unpredictable violent species
i'm not sure i would want another
human-like
species having access to that type of
technology
because they may do human type things
right they may react in ways that we as
humans do and
and it's it's not that's not always a
good thing so i guess my question is is
your question is is it possible yeah
it's absolutely possible uh and they
they could be toying with us but um it's
also possible that they're not and that
we are looking at these observations of
performance and the way they
they're maneuvering and we are ascribing
it attributes that may not necessarily
be there but it is the only point of
reference that we have and so therefore
we ascribe these these human type
attributes
john has a question thank you so much
john for the 50 wow um he says lou uh
will there definitely be anything
definitively definitively non-human
enough to shut down all debunkers coming
anytime soon to put on the front page of
the new york times the 23-minute
high-def video um anything we haven't
heard about yet we can't lose momentum
no i think you're right we can't lose
momentum and and i don't i don't think
we are um i've mentioned this before we
are in a marathon relay race we're not
in a sprint
um
let's just reflect very quickly on the
last three years
just the last three years okay let me
let me if i may remind your audience
just how much we collectively all of us
your audience included have been able to
accomplish in just three years first of
all you have the acknowledgement that
the ufo program called at existed and
was real you also have the
acknowledgment that those three videos
were absolutely real and they were taken
from dod weapon systems you also have
the acknowledgement that we have no idea
what they are that they are truly
unidentified aerial phenomena you have
the establishment of a uap task force
not unidentified aerial balloons or
drones but unidentified aerial phenomena
you have classified briefings being
provided to congress then you on top of
that you have briefings being provided
to the president of the united states
and the president admitting that he
received briefings on this topic then on
top of that you have a 180 day report
which i suspect we're going to talk
about a little bit today and and what
that means and on top of that you have a
a signed document by the depth section
that came out and said hey look at kathy
hicks saying
we need to develop a strategy a
long-term strategy not just something to
answer this 180-day report but long-term
going into the future we need to provide
resources assets and talent behind it
then you have recently in the new latest
legislation language saying that not
only do we now 180 day report but we
want to report every 90 days and oh by
the way that includes anything that you
haven't reported to us before so
get ready because there's a lot of
information coming out and then oh on
top of that you have an ig evaluation
and an ig investigation on the handling
of this topic within the department of
defense and the intelligence community
so that has all happened in the last
three years in the last three years you
have countries like japan coming out and
establishing a bilateral relationship
with the united states government for
the sole purpose of sharing uap related
information
um you know
that ain't a bad track record folks
and you all made that happen so yeah i
get it we're itching for the we're we're
waiting for that next dopamine hit
but let's not lose lose sight of of how
far we really have come
and and where we need to go the last
thing we want to do is prematurely do
something
that uh is not quite ready for prime
time and uh it winds up working counter
to what we're trying to do so uh the
good news is there's a lot happening and
there's going to be a lot more happening
uh you know i said we're we're firmly
into third gear right now and we are uh
there are some things in the next two
and three months that i'm personally
involved with and my colleagues like
chris mellon
uh that i think you know if if the
public were to find out they'd be
pretty surprised um and extremely
excited um
you know we're we're we're moving right
along
oh my gosh uh i also i quickly just want
to tell people that are listening
because we have quite an audience today
and i want to say some chip super chats
are actually falling off my list so if
your question gets skipped uh please
just paste it again as a reminder
without the super chat and a copy in the
moderator name just because
we're getting a lot of things happening
right now so russell has a question and
before i get to russell charles says
tell lou i love him stay strong and stay
somber
thank you charles and also a big thank
you to
someone i guess who put on twitter
an artist rendition of of me
far too kind thank you so much uh you
you certainly drew me better than i
really look in real life so i thank you
for that um i couldn't really pronounce
the handle is uh it had some some
characters in there didn't recognize but
a little alien head as an icon and uh
anyways just wanted to say thanks
oh that's that's cute um you have some
really big fans you have people rooting
for you
john russell asks
also thank you so much for the 50 that's
amazing
what has been your most memorable or
dramatic ufo uap paranormal experience
wow
just lay it on us lou
i have to be careful um
you know uh great question um
should i pass some drinks over to you
you know i yeah i think i think that's a
that's a that's a question that needs to
be answered probably on its own um it is
its own uh podcast where we're going to
dedicate the entire time to it um look
i've i've lived uh an extraordinary life
i've told people i'm an unextraordinary
man living through extraordinary times
uh i've been privy to things that um i i
don't understand um i'll just put as
simple as that
um this is a strange universe we live in
it's a wondrous universe we live in it's
a huge universe we live in uh both at
the grand scale of things and even at
the micro nano levels uh
it's it's it's
you know there there are
when you say what's the greatest
experience i've had or most wondrous
experience involving uap and or
paranormal
um
that's a loaded question uh and again
that's a question that i at some point
i'll i'll probably share
uh it wasn't one incident uh you know
for those who know who i am and my
involvement with folks like hal put off
and kick green
um you know those those ties go way back
and
um you know there's things i've i've
been exposed to that i that i can't
explain as a scientist you know with my
background you know microbiology and
immunology
uh
and i you know i i'm careful not to to
really talk about it publicly because
it's really easy to go down that rabbit
hole of the woo
and as as interesting and intriguing as
it may be
it can also serve as a distraction
because at the end of the day they're
just my observations and my own
experiences and i wouldn't want that to
to taint the collection of information
and analysis that needs to be done
uh in in the uap topic you know a lot of
the best reporters you have no idea what
political affiliation they are you don't
know if they're they're conservative or
liberal you don't know what religion
they are
because they they try to remain
objective and even though they do have
personal beliefs um
you know it's it's it's less relevant to
to the pursuit of truth um for me
ultimately this is about truth
and you know there's there's a lot of
truth out there and uh you know one just
has to talk to to to
indigenous people here in our country
that have been here for millennia
uh they have incredible fascinating
stories um
you know i i think
i think there's a lot a lot to be said
and i hope one day i can share some of
my experiences in a way that people
aren't going to judge me or judge
anybody else i was with
um the problem is we're too early in the
conversation right now it's too much of
a distraction
too many people need to come out of the
shadows to continue this conversation
and by me going into my own personal
experiences um could could could hinder
that process and uh so
with all due respect love the question
uh very sincere and and i'm really
struggling because i really want to have
this conversation
um but
probably now is not the time
unfortunately well we will all be
waiting when you do tell the story we'll
all be there like biting our nails being
like oh my gosh she's gonna tell it so
we're excited for the future when it
comes to you and uh 3d sunglasses oh
absolutely my next question is is
obviously the mainstream media has
shifted its focus since the report
dropped but to me you know i've been
shocked at how quiet they are on the
topic of ufos now in your opinion
do you think this is because an official
lid of silence has been dropped or is it
just a natural curve of disinterest
no it's it's neither we we've turned the
dial down we had that we had the oven
cooking and we had to get it up to
operating temperature of 500 degrees i
don't need to continue that gas right
now to go up to 800 degrees 800 degrees
we need to keep it at 500 and sometimes
you have to turn back the gas a little
bit to to keep the oven temperature
constant uh remember this is this is a
long game
um you you don't want to waste all your
your
your magic bullets your rounds
uh prematurely everything has to be very
strategic this is this is a long-term
campaign
um and this isn't just um
you know this isn't the super bowl where
we you know have a half-time show and
you have pyrotechnics and whatnot um you
know this this is real life and what
we're trying to do is is keep this
conversation going and and letting
people catch their breath um there's a
lot of things happening in the world
right now that demand our attention
there's things like afghanistan you know
there's things like covet and the new
delta variant um you know we have to let
people catch their breath and we can't
we can't be selfish and just dominate
and consume the narrative 24 hours a day
because people will get fatigued and
eventually they'll get annoyed so so you
know
again this this is something that that
comes in waves um i've i've said this
before for the last three years uh we're
not in the business of satisfying idle
curiosity we're in the business of
disclosure and and and to do disclosure
right you know you have to you have to
be very methodical about it very
strategic about it but know that there's
a lot happening right now um we we have
some of us have deliberately made the
decision to throttle back a little bit
and let every everybody else everything
else catch up and then continue to move
forward if that makes sense and by the
way you know i'm going to be upsetting
some people out there saying you know
you don't have the right to do that well
it's not just me i mean anybody can get
up here and champion the cause if they
want to but it's it's a strategy we
collectively uh have chosen to take um
because because quality matters right
who who in the media is is presenting
the information what is the evidence
after presenting the last thing you want
to do is make some proclamation and not
have the evidence to back it up because
that that will hurt disclosure
oh yeah and all of us definitely want
quality over quantity do you want to
have a mcdonald's burger or do you want
to have a really good burger yeah you
want ruth chris or you know do you want
not do you want something else you know
john has another question and he says
lou your thoughts on sam harris saying
he and his science colleagues are
getting classified better videos from
the cia that show it's non-human and he
says they need his advice for how to
break the truth to the public
uh who's sam harris if i may ask
that's a serious question
uh hopefully john can clarify that
well because i also don't know if you're
receiving briefing from the cia then
clearly you're obviously in the
scattered castles and jaywicks database
right so i should be able to pull you up
and see if you have a top secret
clearance and where your tickets are
being held and see that you're having
these meetings with these individuals
that you claim you have
if you do great welcome to the party
it's about time um but if you're just
talking crap and full of crap and just
uh you know making nonsensical
nonsensical claims without evidence and
uh
you know
i don't know what to tell you um i i
don't know who mr harris is but that
doesn't mean necessarily that
that
he's not telling the truth i just
personally don't know him but
i can certainly find out if he's if this
person's having briefings you know with
the cia i can't imagine that they're
going to be asking somebody who's not
connected to the national security
council uh or a think tank um on on you
know how to have this conversation with
the american people
when you let us know or when when you
find out please let us know senzu bean
has a question and i'm sorry we're going
through these so quickly there's
people are just like
they will have let they want to ask you
a lot of things so
they say hi christina perhaps you could
ask him if he thinks these uaps travel
using some sort of warp drive and that
way
probably avoid the massive g-force
wow uh
senzu bean is that how you pronounce
that um i'm gonna i'm gonna guess so i
like the name i like it yeah i do too
yeah i love it um
you know that's certainly one of the
hypothesis uh i'd say probably at this
point more of a theory than even a
hypothesis
there's a lot of mathematical equations
in fact you know give me a second i'm
going to show you something hold on all
right
guys i want to say thank you for
everyone that is watching that has
questions that even sent in questions
through the emails reddit twitter
through everything he's a great guy to
ask questions too one of the books um
that we had an a-tip
that i looked at a lot of this book here
okay and it's frontiers of propulsion
science and you can see in there that uh
it's uh
some names you might recognize there
and when you open this book up it's uh
really just a huge
amount of mathematical equations uh and
there you go mathematical equations and
what not um
this is important because this this is
exactly how we
look at the potential of what
what advanced propulsion might look like
um and what those signatures might look
like and so
is it possible that these things are
warping space-time that certainly seems
you know to be a really really good
theory um certainly the mathematical
equations and scientific models suggest
that
uh gd has a question thank you so much
for the 20 and they say one does the a
does the iaa parentheses
fy2022 require the uaptf slash nasic to
report to congress on uap events
pre-fy22 yes it does
that's the key
every 90 days and whatever you haven't
reported in the past since the 1940s is
supposed to be reported to commerce
okay
second question they have is did the usg
discover the exotic matter pure usg
custody
that's a good question i have to be very
careful how i answer any
questions about exotic material uh or or
anything like that i have said for the
record
it is my belief that the us government
is in possession of it i am not at
liberty to elaborate any more than that
unfortunately
um of course at least not now
but when that does happen i'll have to
ask you again
the the last thing is what are your
thoughts on the uk con
conding report you know plasma on radar
etc
yeah condy report well look you know
there's a lot of prosaic explanations
for a lot of things and at the end of
the day
uh the the report that we had to
congress 180 day report there were 144
incidents and only one of them was
solved one and i think more importantly
that of the 144 incidents
um
142 of them were in the last year and a
half alone and by the navy only so
uh that's important because in a year
and a half in just involving the navy
you had 142 incidents and oh by the way
we only figured
one of those out and then furthermore in
the report it says specifically that
uh most of the reporting never went
never went reported because of a fierce
stigma and and and some sort of
retribution professional retribution
which by the way asked me how i know
um it is real and so uh i
if you look at that just do the simple
math and let's just say 10 of these
incidents that were reported
that means that the u.s navy experienced
over 1
400 incidents in the last
year and a half alone
uh and most of them went unreported
we have no idea what they are and that's
just the navy so what about the air
force what about the army right what
about everybody else and not just the
last year and a half but what about the
last decade what about the last three
decades what about the last 70 years
um so great great question
chuck has a question thank you so much
also your profile pic makes me smile um
he says christina jimmy had a guest on
wednesday on jolly
excuse me
she is ex-military and recently did a
press conference in dc announcing her
intentions to revisit an alien base in
the mojave desert can you ask lou about
this sounds amazing
you know
great you know extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence um you
know uh
all i gotta say is good luck you know i
hope i hope she's right uh
but um
you know i i probably wouldn't quit my
day job just right now to go you know
run in the desert and try to find an
alien base um somewhere in the mojave
desert uh
you know i i think um
i think there's a lot of people who who
want to um be part of a narrative
i don't know anjali just like i don't
know uh
you know the other individual
from uh from area 51 you know bob lazar
everybody asked me what do you think
about bazaar i don't i can't i never met
the gentleman you know um i i don't i
don't have an opinion um i don't know
you know i
i think it's very careful when you look
at someone's
career um you have to look at the
nuances um
as a government employee you have a rank
and you have authority as a contractor
uh you you provide services to to the
government and the customer
um you know it's important that people
like if you were to see my my my resume
which i think is public i don't know but
but at some point it sure will be um you
can see precisely where i was assigned
what i did what my roles and
responsibilities were and what what what
the type of duties i performed
um
yeah we are going to go actually on a
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back into the questions
so
um let me let me find it because i know
i'm getting lost but
cj says thank you so much by the way
says i'm a huge huge fan of lou
same and
you were my introduction to ufos and i
still can't get enough thanks do you
have any ufo books you recommend
oh boy that's a loaded question a good
question you know i i hate making
recommendations because different people
are going to read different books and
and take the information differently
there was a book that was given to me by
a gentleman named dean johnson in
washington dc when i was i was there
with chris my colleague chris mellon
and uh you know we've had the the
privilege of speaking with him a few
times
and he shared with me a book
and you know people share with me a lot
of books all the time if you got to read
this you got to read this and i do
um but he
suggested one and it's uh it's a little
science fiction novella it says about
three stories in this little tiny book
and it's called chains of the sea
uh not chains in the sea chains of the
sea
and it is the second story in that book
it's a short story maybe 30 40 50 pages
long
um but it is a wonderful little story
because
it provides a completely different
potentiality of of what this means now i
don't necessarily subscribe to it let me
just say that but what i'm saying is it
forces you to think remember we talk
about the box right
this forces you to think outside of the
box a completely different paradigm of
what something might be what the
phenomenon might be what parent normal
might be what our interaction might be
and i
i found it really original
and it really forced me to to to think
and and and reconsider and recalibrate
my my own position on on the topic of
uap and so
if there was a book i would recommend it
would be that
again i don't make a penny from it um i
i couldn't tell you probably probably
not very much money you can probably
download it for free i imagine um but
it's um again it's it's it's it i think
it's a unique perspective that's
certainly worth at least just reading
because it forces you to think about
things in a slightly different way
and m uap has a question thank you so
much for the 50 that's amazing it says
aliens
don't scare me the chinese and the
russians do unfortunately should i be
nervous that some of this may be
these adversaries
well there's certainly a potential it's
it appears to be exceedingly unlikely
because we've been seeing this
technology since since the late 1940s
and it's not by the way documented in
official us government documentation so
so we've been dealing with these things
and of course everybody knows about the
tic tac in in 2004 but they might be
surprised to know that there are other
tic tac sightings going back to the 60s
and the 50s where where they were
described as white flying butane tanks
right 40 feet long or white flying
throat lozenges um
you know we were describing these things
based upon the genre at the time
um but they were still performing
exactly the same way that commander
fravor and alex dietrich uh witnessed in
2004. so if there is a country that has
this beyond next generation technology
and they had it since the late 1940s
we're in real trouble right and so i
think the likelihood of that is
exceedingly small if you look at where
the world was let's just take the united
states which was probably the most
technologically advanced at the time
where were we in the late 40s well we
were just unlocking the secrets of the
atom uh we were just entering the jet
age and we were still decades away from
from going into space
um
you know that's that's that's that's a
pretty big pill to swallow uh if you
want to consider that some country at
the time that you know had the
technology of horse and ox uh pulling
pulling buggies um it's it's really
unlikely um the signature and the amount
of money and resources it would take to
develop that technology and then keep it
secret uh for this long
i think is highly improbable
we have another question and it says and
i don't know if i'm showing it but
it'll i'll end up showing it but the
question is
the de-visitation effects of climate
change seem to be upon us as a species
and if not dealt with may lead to mass
extinction events in the near future has
the connection between the uap and
climate change been discussed or
considered at all
great question you know yeah that's
really interesting um
you know
no not in in an official sense
it's been bantered about by some people
who have kind of kind of quietly
expressed that that uh opinion that hey
maybe the two are related but there's
never been any earnest study into that
um not that i'm aware of certainly not
with ate it
but you know it's it's interesting it
really is an interesting question and
maybe that's something that maybe we we
we should consider
i i think why not
and that was somewhat of a popular
question when i had posted it online i
did get a few questions on something in
between those lines john has another
question thank you and says lou some
high-level people have said that the
public should not know the truth can't
handle it but they're already but they
they're already
been way more than enough to admit by
higher-ups to admit it's non-human what
are your thoughts
well you know
well this is going to get me in trouble
too i i hate
i i hate going back and forth on this
and i do
i'm the worst offender at this because i
i think that that the american people in
the world deserve to know the truth i
think you know whether you can handle it
or not is it relevant we can handle a
lot of things we handle the fact that
there's countries that want to nuke us
as countries out there that you know
involve themselves in terrorism want to
end our way of life
you know we can handle a lot we're about
to handle a hurricane that's barreling
down right now
uh on on new orleans as terrible as it
is so we can handle the truth but then
of course i turn to social media and i
see sometimes the the the comments i get
against me
and you know i scratch my head say well
you know what maybe
maybe they can't handle the truth maybe
maybe you know here they're shooting the
messenger just trying to give them what
they wanted and and you know now i'm the
bad guy in the enemy and i can't tell
you how many times i i slain the
computer shut and say you know what
screw them they can't handle the truth
they don't deserve the truth let them
live in darkness and you know maybe in a
hundred years i'll be ready i i'm being
honest with you but then of course you
know i'll i'll i'll have a chance to
kind of sit down for a second take a
breath and you know collect my thoughts
and say okay you know enough enough for
the pity party let's let's let's get
back to work roll our sleeves up and and
let's continue to to have this
conversation so um i get it i do think
that that people can can handle the
truth um i'm committed to the truth in
fact i don't think you can have freedom
uh without truth the two go hand in hand
you can't claim to be a free society if
you don't if you don't pursue the truth
and you don't provide the truth to to to
your citizens um you're just at that
point it's just propaganda and tyranny
uap has a question and it says did lou
ever visit skinwalker ranch and if he
did did he experience anything unusual
uh you know i'm gonna let somebody else
you know skinwalker ranch uh is a
fascinating place
and uh you know i will tell you there's
definitely things in my opinion that go
bump in the night uh i know it's
probably not very pleasant to think
about but but i've seen enough evidence
to suggest that you know
there's there's something going on there
um i would recommend talking to to
brandon fuegle only because he's the new
owner of that facility i am certainly
not qualified
a lot of that work was done under the
auspices of ossap
and under bob biglow and and the former
director before me
they're certainly more qualified to to
tell you what they think about
skinwalker ranch
am i aware of some pretty weird things
happening there absolutely am i aware of
some of these things happening to my own
people
yeah i i am um but what are you going to
write a book lou when are you going to
write a book i don't want to read my
book
it would already be like a new york
bestseller um preston has a question
says lou grateful for your dedication to
this topic can you assure us this is a
true unknown and not related to nemesis
slash
palliative type programs yeah palladium
so he's talking about
he or she is uh preston is talking about
electronic warfare um the problem with
electronic warfare it works off the
electromagnetic spectrum and i can't go
into too much detail so you know we get
into some sensitive stuff but the bottom
line is you can spoof a radar but you
can't spoof the human eye that's just
the bottom line so any type of
electronic warfare yes you can you can
you can fool a radar into thinking an
object is either there or it's not there
there's a bunch of them
but you can't fool the human eye and you
can't full gun camera footage um you
know so so therein lies the problem um
the problem is that our pilots are
encountering these things the problem is
that our sailors are encountering these
things and our soldiers um and our
airmen so
it's it's um
it it it's it's it's simply not
it's not a viable
option to say this is nemesis or
palladium because
um because it doesn't explain the other
aspects of this phenomenon doesn't it it
doesn't explain the eyewitness testimony
in accounts and and the actual footage
that that we've been privy privy to
absolutely
um another question is hi lou if you
were a civilian scientist and could
place a limited amount of sensory
systems around the globe where would you
focus on placing them in order to
capture data on uap thanks so i will
share something with you i'm not gonna
uh uh
i won't go into too much
too much detail but we're looking at
that right now and you'd be surprised
it's a lot easier than you might think
um
you might not even need a whole bunch of
sensors you might just need one and you
might need to know
where to put it and then how to
cooperate that data with other data
i'm going to do a very polite pass on
that because my hope is that
in the not too distant future i can
share the pr the precise answer to that
and uh i think i think uh you know i use
this i don't use this term very often
but i think it's going to blow your mind
i think you guys are going to go
oh my god
it's been there all along
it's it's so cute when you have like a
good question but you can't answer it
you'll do like this really cute little
smirk and you're like i know and i want
to say it but i can't which is really
why i wasn't a good intelligence officer
because my poker face is terrible i just
you know i get really excited because
some of these questions are so wonderful
i'm like i just want to tell you
uh but um
you know again we gotta we gotta make
sure we do this right
rich says and thank you everyone for the
super chat i know i'm not saying thank
you but thank you all so so much rich
says has lou ever been in the presence
of some washing uh sorry sorry i said
washing uh some machine
i try to avoid it as much as possible
but yes i've been in front of washing
machines before
because
another question was playing in my hand
that someone else asked but uh some
machine slash craft of non-human origin
let me go back to the question that i
answered before in my opinion isn't the
us government in possession of
of exotic material
i answered yes to that
i i can't go as i said before i cannot
elaborate any more than that i there's
very specific reasons why i can't and i
have to
i have to honor and acknowledge those
those reasons and those requests so
for the time being i'm gonna do a polite
pass on that question very good question
and one question that i hope to to be
able to
to discuss a little further at some
point
i want to mention to everyone where i
have about 10 minutes for the show there
is going to be an extra 15 minutes for
all my patreon supporters so this
question here by
red panda koala is going to be our last
question for the day
but um
i also want to mention you know if if
you had one that you want to ask um
what's gonna like what's the answer to
that so here we go i don't think what i
said made sense but it'll make more
sense if we go on
red panda koala says
lou
do you think havana syndrome is related
to uap sounds like a tip slide 9
first of all a profoundly relevant
question
um
one that i'm not prepared to answer
right now um
i'm thinking in my mind right now
the number of individuals that would be
breathing down my neck if i could go
into that
um
you know
there are some very interesting
peculiarities i am not qualified to
discuss
the nuances of havana syndrome i think
we are still trying to figure that out
um
that's all i can say
okay well here we go we do have a few
extra minutes so we have eight more
minutes and i'm sorry i misread the time
so we are going to go over a few more
and the last one is like my favorite
question of all time but here we go
another question is
94 there was a sighting at a school in
africa where many school children
claimed to have seen beings exit a craft
and some were given a message
telepathically the message was that we
are destroying our planet what are your
thoughts on that
thank you
yeah quite possible uh it's it's it you
can't disprove it it's it's interesting
anecdotal data uh but at the end of the
day you can't quantify and qualify it um
it is personal perception
and that's based on human psychology um
i'm not saying it's it's not it's not
relevant the problem is there's there's
no way to objectively take that data and
and and and employ the scientific method
to determine the veracity of that
information and so as a result of that
um
we didn't really include that type of
data into our a-tip efforts um later on
certainly when i was part of the when i
was in charge of the effort
because from a dod perspective a
department of defense perspective there
was no way i could go to a leader in in
the government and say
hey sir hey ma'am um you know these kids
claim to have telepathic communication
with these beings whatever they may be
um
that that doesn't that doesn't do
anything for the conversation it doesn't
doesn't help the leader make a decision
one way or the other so we kept
everything that we could you know that
kept the conversation to that
data that can be measured and can be
tabulated and can be you know
if you will compared to other data that
we had and other signatures signature
data is very important
um you know everything has a signature
this pen if i throw it in the air will
have a signature there will be small
discrete changes in in the air around it
um that can that can be measured and
when you talk about
potential
telepathic communication you know
between species
there's there's no there's no real
signature there that you can you can
grab a hold of or or if there is a
signature it's beyond our technology to
to to really do anything with um so
it's certainly interesting but it wasn't
the focus of of us
so therefore i can't i can't really
elaborate um
is it possible sure is it true could be
uh is it uh uh
just human interpretation of something
yeah that could be that too uh you know
i i don't know and therefore i
it's probably best that i don't provide
my opinion because it's at the end of
the day it's unqualified it's an
unqualified opinion that i have
another another question is christopher
mellon has mentioned in several past
interviews that uap activity has been
increasing and getting bolder is this
something you can cooperate and if so
are you able to share any examples with
us today
it does appear certainly that there are
that the uap activity seems more
provocative um it seems
less afraid less elusive more in our
face
um
you know more willing to to to defy our
controlled airspace
um that i agree with wholeheartedly
that's that's a concern for us um
but the question with metrics you always
have to be careful because now we have
more people you know with with these
little devices in their hands uh that
have you know
better technology in them than our best
gun camera footage did 15 years ago
right the best gun cameras
and pod flear pods so we have to be
careful to because you know there's more
people now looking into it's like saying
in a for example a big city you know has
crime rates have have have gone up five
percent well
what does that mean is it really that
there's more criminals on the street or
does it mean that we have more cops on
the street that are catching criminals
or does it mean that we have now a more
aggressive da that's prosecuting
criminals right so
you have to be careful with numbers
because numbers can mean a lot of things
to a lot of people and so that's why you
know i'm always careful to to to make a
definitive statement that you know that
uap activity is increasing what we can
say is that that technology is more
proliferated uh so more people have
these devices in their hands and are
able to collect more people are aware of
things in our skies and more people are
looking to the skies which by the way
means more people are going to
misidentify things so you know before we
all rush to the conclusion and say hey
this is great you know we're more ufo
activity and we're going to see more
things well yeah but we're also going to
see a lot of have a lot more more uh
misses as well because we're going to
have a lot more opportunity to
misidentify things look starlink is up
there i was sitting not too long ago uh
on an early evening and watched 52
satellites in a line
the cross over the horizon um you know
just five years ago that would have been
shocking and yet here it is it's just
startling so
and and
it's
i think it's very it's very normal that
people are misidentifying these things
especially now more than ever and i
quickly want to say gene thank you so
much they say no question just a thank
you for a great show that i'll enjoy
listening to a couple a few a few couple
more times sorry about that but i agree
um for people that have watched the
loose interviews he always drops little
things here and there and you you have
to listen to it a few times to really
catch it so i agree with you gene my
next question
is
given everything you've learned in your
opinion has the intelligence behind the
uap phenomenon already been designated
behind closed doors as an act like as an
external threat an ex an existing threat
you know i think there's two schools of
thought i think
definitely from a from a national
security perspective it's viewed as a
potential threat but let's not confuse
potential threat with hostile intent
right so i've said this before if i go
to an airport to jump on a 737 you know
southwest flight to denver there's not
much of a threat there but if i
go on to the runway the tarmac of that
same airport and get behind that same
airplane and put my head behind the
engine while it's throttling up well now
there's a threat there's a threat to my
hearing there's a threat to my i'm gonna
get burned uh there's an environmental
threat uh is it intentional not
necessarily it's just a product of the
technology
um you know so i i think
there's two schools of thoughts on it um
i you know when i was in the government
my my focus had to be that this is a
potential national security threat
but now that i'm outside the government
i'm free to express my own opinion a
little bit more and you know
i think with every with every challenge
comes opportunity
one only has to look at the at the
apollo mission in the 1960s in the space
race against the soviet union then
soviet union over 6 200 life-changing
technologies in industry came out of the
result of that little space race uh you
know that decade in time
where now we have things like the led
light bulb we have a cat scan things
that are improving humanity's uh
well-being on this planet and have long
outlived their original intent and
purpose
so you know i i tend to be a little bit
more optimistic i i don't think
everything that's necessarily a threat
is is an intentional threat and i think
there's always opportunity you just need
to
to know how to how to look for it
and right now everyone's asking about
the 23 minute video can you talk about
that
uh i i can't what i can say is that i
was privy to it
many videos
i i have to i have to let the government
try to do its due diligence um and and
you know let's not forget that the
pagoda pentagon claimed
to erase and destroy all my emails um
despite there being a court protective
order uh that that uh restricted that um
so they've got some some some questions
they have to answer uh and i want to
give the the us government the pentagon
uh the time necessary to to figure that
out um
you know the
uh there's videos that are very
compelling i've said before that the
three videos that came out are probably
the least compelling
um
as compelling as they may be they're the
least compelling there's some that are
pretty extraordinary uh but
i they haven't been released it's not up
to me to release them and i really can't
talk about them until at some point the
government decides it wants to first of
all locate them and then second of all
uh provide them
rg has a question and they say does dhs
red cell ever used uap simulation events
to test u.s military responses which may
have been confused as real events and
this is going to be the last super chat
for today guys we are running out of
time
but please answer that lou you know i
gotta tell you i've never been asked
that before uh it
that's a that's a
fascinating question one that i'm gonna
talk to to my colleagues about chris and
some other people back in dc
um
you know that's certainly a possibility
i've i've personally never never
considered that before that's why i love
doing these because your audience is so
sophisticated they're always coming up
with these great questions and i can't
tell you how many times that these
questions will come up and i'll go run
right back to dc be like you know
hey guys we got to talk you know um
that's that's great that's great i i i'm
not avoiding the question i just i
simply don't know but i can tell you
this i promise you this
i will ask the question and i will
report back what i find
and here is our last question for the
show
what is one question you haven't been
asked but wish you had been
what is it and what's the answer
because you've done thousands
of interviews i have and there's so many
questions that still need to be asked
um there isn't one that's better than
the other because we're putting together
a jigsaw puzzle right it's it's no one
piece of that jigsaw puzzle is going to
put the whole puzzle together and give
you that aha moment ah there it is now
that now the whole puzzle comes together
um that's not the way it works
all pieces are critical all pieces are
important i personally don't have the
patience to put together a jigsaw puzzle
because it drives me crazy because every
single piece is important what i do is i
do what most people do i kind of
categorize them according to shapes i
have straight edges okay these are going
to be on the perimeter and color okay
this is probably part of that scene and
and whatnot but at the end of the day um
there is no peace more important there
is no question there is no golden
question out there that people should
say okay how do we you know if we only
ask this question to lou then we would
have all the answers
that's sadly not the case all questions
are important and all questions should
be asked
um is there a question that people
should have asked me
you know i think i think we're on a
great role i think the questions that
are being asked here tonight were some
of the most insightful i've had a chance
to answer in a very long time
in fact i'm kind of surprised because
every single one of your questions are
great questions from your audience you
know usually when it first came out
people were asking me you know all sorts
of stuff you know and some of the
questions were
you know probably a little bit a little
bit more basic than others
so then let's give an applause to
everyone that's watching and put in
their questions
thank you everyone
you i mean you were able to answer a lot
of them and like you said these were
questions that haven't been asked people
that were writing these questions have
senior interviews and they were getting
frustrated they're like why aren't
people asking these questions that i
want to ask
so i think i was very lucky to be able
to host this today and actually have
people ask their questions along with
the ones that were sent to me prior and
overall it's it's been such a blessing
for you to be here with me today and to
have this conversation i don't know i'd
assure you to the way around it is look
we are only success i've said this
before i'm gonna say it again because
you know i i don't know if people don't
believe me or what but look we're only
where we are today because we can
collectively have this conversation the
only reason why you can do what you do
is because you have an audience that's
listening that's interested and that's
the only reason why i can come out and i
can have the conversation i'm having so
at the end of the day we're only here
because of your audience it's it's it's
incredible it's not it's not me and i
don't know how to emphasize that enough
um you know a lot of people
kind of look up to me in a way that uh i
frankly i don't deserve i really don't
deserve it it's it's the credit goes to
to your audience and folks like you and
i footstomped that a thousand times and
now people say oh he's just being you
know gracious he's you know he's being
humble
but it's true it's absolutely true
we achieved this collectively over the
last three years because of the hard
efforts of everyone right now that's
listening and and i can't i can't
overstate that enough when i have
conversations in dc they're watching
twitter they're watching your show they
they're dialing in in a pseudo because
they don't want to expose themselves but
make no mistake they're watching your
videos i can't say who it was but very
recently i got an email from a very very
very senior person and and i said very
three times because they are very senior
and they say hey i saw that interview on
this podcast
and you know what the podcast was yours
it was it wasn't cnn or fox news or bbc
it was your podcast and he said hey man
that was that was
that was great
so
um you know you guys are making a
difference this this is it this is the
future this is this is how we have this
conversation with with with everyone um
and and it's not going to be done by a
politician i assure you
disclosure is is only going to happen
because of because of you and your
audience so by the people
and i want to say again thank you for
you lou for being here for all the super
chats for everyone participating for all
of my patreon supporters i do want to
let you know that we are going to have
an extra 15 minute segment just for the
patreon supporters that will be uploaded
later today so keep an eye out for those
that are or if you want to be one it
really supports my channel and you get
to see all the guests or i think almost
all of them getting like an exclusive 15
minutes as well and i also want to say
don't forget to like this video to share
it with people that have the same
interest because
it wouldn't be possible if this
conversation wouldn't be possible if we
had a collective mind and lastly don't
forget to keep your eyes on the skies
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